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Funk solitude
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Funk solitude on 29/01/2009 06:08:59
Is suicide ganking still not balanced?
Recently CCP made changes to concord response and security status hits in regards to suicide ganking. This seem to me like an attempt to balance the mechanics so that it was still possible to hi-sec gank players at the expense of a tough sec status hit.
Now I recently got ganked at a gate in jita (don't rage me for it, i don't go there often), i was lagging, I was in a harpy that had a pithi shield booster on it (worth about 30 mil). when the lag stopped i was in a pod, afterwhich I was totally surprised that someone would gank a 40 mil worth harpy and have to live with the massive sec hit. so i looked up the guy and found him to be -10 ?????
So from this and a little investigation, I found this guy gets an alt to supply him a ship in space which he then boards, then when an alt finds a suitable target, the outlaw warps to his alt, ganks the ship then his alt collects the loot and buys him a new ship wich he then boards again, and the process is repeated. also if he wants to go do something else he just clone jumps to his preferred lo-sec/null sec hideout.
Edit: i thought that he was cloaking originally but all the "experts" quickly came out of the woodwork to remedy my mistake. hehe they must have it down pat.
So I sent this guy an eve mail and gave him props for thinking of it, he told me he actually loses 10 mil each time he pops and he does this all the time, and its how he makes his isk for all his accounts.
So in conclusion it seems there is ways of avoiding any consequence when suicide ganking, which seems to me to sidestep CCP's recent changes and intentions. Im not against suicide ganking at all and i think it is a viable part of the game, it just surprises me when players can do it with no ramifications.
I think some good changes to rectify this would be remove insurance payouts on ships that result from concord/police kills and/or implement a design to not allow a ship to be boarded in high sec space if your security rating is below -5.
So what do you reckon? is it unbalanced gameplay
And NO, you can't have my stuff, I'm not leaving EVE. I'm actually thinking of trying this myself, would be a good income stream for an alt slot until CCP does something about -5 and lower sec-status players rampaging through hi-sec.
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Guilliman R
Gallente
PRO Space Hunters
HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:25:00 -
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I lol at a smart bombing bs trying to single-handedly suicide anything larger then a frig..
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H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: H Lecter on 28/01/2009 18:26:43
 Originally by: Funk solitude
So from this and a little investigation, I found this guy to be perma ganking anybody and everybody (every .5 to 1 hr) in a cloaked battleship (cloak is cause he's an outlaw to everybody)
I am confused. He is an outlaw but ganked you in hisec?
Does not compute!
[EDIT: spelling]
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:28:00 -
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Was transporting 300m in rigs in a Crusader the other day. Was browsing the web and notice a flash on the screen. Click on EVE and see a red flashy Manticore getting wtfpwnbbqed by concord. Also notice I'm at 90% armor. Salvaged Manticore wreck and continued on my way.
It seems to be balanced. 
Sorry but this has to be done....
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Young Enterprise
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter
Edited by: H Lecter on 28/01/2009 18:26:43
Originally by: Funk solitude
So from this and a little investigation, I found this guy to be perma ganking anybody and everybody (every .5 to 1 hr) in a cloaked battleship (cloak is cause he's an outlaw to everybody)
I am confused. He is an outlaw but ganked you in hisec?
Does not compute!
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clone jumped to highsec and undocked in a BS w/ cloak.
Another fun method is having an Orca friend keep ships for you and sit in a safespot. You warp to him in a pod and grab a ship and go kill something before police arrive 
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Funk solitude
Is suicide ganking still not balanced?
No. It's far too difficult at the moment. It should be a lot easier, but also cost more.
Originally by: H Lecter
I am confused. He is an outlaw but ganked you in hisec?
Does not compute!
What's strange about it? It's not like they can't enter highsec and shoot people.
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H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:35:00 -
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I still don't believe it - try cloaking in a battleship in hisec while being red flashy.
Please report your findings to me 
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Funk solitude
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter
Edited by: H Lecter on 28/01/2009 18:26:43
Originally by: Funk solitude
So from this and a little investigation, I found this guy to be perma ganking anybody and everybody (every .5 to 1 hr) in a cloaked battleship (cloak is cause he's an outlaw to everybody)
I am confused. He is an outlaw but ganked you in hisec?
Does not compute!
[EDIT: spelling]
his security status is below -5 which means anybody can fire upon his ship with out concord intervention anywhere in new eden (high sec, low sec etc) and Empire police npc's will fire upon him when he jumps thru a gate unless he is in a pod. but because he doesn't leave the system the police npc's don't shoot him and he is cloaked so players can't shoot him either, all he does is uncloak when he wants to gank someone. |
Atnal
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Atnal on 28/01/2009 18:46:57
One trick I read on these forums was to create an disposible alt, have it attack you, then use the CONCORD ships that responded to you for protection against other suicide-gankers.
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Lt Angus
Caldari
End Game.
The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Guilliman R
I lol at a smart bombing bs trying to single-handedly suicide anything larger then a frig..
try fiting large smart bombs.... 
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.01.28 19:08:00 -
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People are always suicide ganking the perimeter gate in Jita.
I was there in a gang the other night, saw 3-4 bs's go flashy and there was turrets firing and fireworks and stuff.
I collected a ton of 1600 armor plates and shield extenders. 
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.28 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Funk solitude
and he is cloaked so players can't shoot him either, all he does is uncloak when he wants to gank someone.
Fun fact: he can't cloak.
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Gabriel Karade
Gallente
Celtic Anarchy
Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.01.28 19:53:00 -
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The police jam your cloak if you are of too low a sec status to be in system, so that part of your story is complete tosh...
...so would you like to start again? Or does the whole episode only exist in your head?... 
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Posted - 2009.01.28 19:57:00 -
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My vote is on this episode existing in the imagination of the OP...
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.28 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 28/01/2009 20:01:08
Some parts of the story don't appear to add up, at least in the way described. However I don't think this shows suicide ganking is unbalanced. It just shows that insurance payouts for criminal acts in High Sec is unbalanced (still.)
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.28 21:45:00 -
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He's trying to up the market on smartbombs in Jita. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.28 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter
I still don't believe it - try cloaking in a battleship in hisec while being red flashy.
Please report your findings to me
I too await the findings (I know what they are going to be, hahahah)
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ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.01.28 22:07:00 -
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get sec status to -5.0 or less. undock in jita in bs and see if concord dont touch u ( and never leave system)
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 28/01/2009 22:09:18
Originally by: H Lecter
I still don't believe it - try cloaking in a battleship in hisec while being red flashy.
Oh I know what happens, but that's not particularly relevant, now is it?
You said you were confused by his being ganked by an outlaw in highsec. I commented that there's nothing strage about this since outlaws can enter highsec and kill people just fine.
Originally by: ollobrains2
get sec status to -5.0 or less. undock in jita in bs and see if concord dont touch u ( and never leave system)
They don't unless you start shooting people. The Caldari Navy, on the other hand, might have something to say about the matter though…
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Posted - 2009.01.28 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter
red flashy.
I believe the term is "flashy red"
PS are there lots of hot "Gurls" in your corp? If so...can I join? 
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Lady Aja
Caldari
Hannibals Pirates
Damnation of Souls
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Posted - 2009.01.28 23:11:00 -
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you CANNOT undock from a station witha sec stat worse than -5.0. you will get locked down and shot at till you die or you redock no way can you even warp off...
what i dare say is...
he has an alt drop the ship off for him he boards and then... does his thing...
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.28 23:19:00 -
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Wait a minute with all this "you can't undock as a red flashy" stuff. I thought that you can't undock without CONCORD coming after you ONLY IF you get killed by CONCORD, dock in your pod, get a new ship, and undock before the countdown expires.
Faction navies don't scram you, and Jita isn't a CONCORD-sovereignty system (is it?) So yes, you should be able to not only undock with -5 status (as long as you don't have a GCC) and even fly around, as long as you can handle faction navy damage for a bit.
Not sure how jumping out of system once engaged by faction navies works though.
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Bruce Scythe
Atomic Mexicans
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Posted - 2009.01.28 23:26:00 -
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Damn I want to know where this guy operates so I can cash in on it. Could buy/make a bunch of Battleships that he is using and haul them to his station
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Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2009.01.28 23:40:00 -
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There's a problem with the cops showing up if you board a ship, the check is only at undock/jump in, so he never gets any ships coming after him because he's using an alt to drop ships which he boards with his pod. No NPCs ever bother him, so the OP is right, the consequences to being -10 are easily avoided.
CCP is aware of this and will hopefully fix it soon.
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Shogun Archer
Gallente
Brotherhood of Soban
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2009.01.29 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bruce Scythe
Damn I want to know where this guy operates so I can cash in on it. Could buy/make a bunch of Battleships that he is using and haul them to his station
Maybe read the OP again. He clearly states he was in Jita.
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Haakelen
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.29 00:29:00 -
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IMO, no, it's completely fine. But this is a nice time point out, again, that every single method of for-profit suicide ganking is preventable by the targeted pilot taking proper precautions. The only suicide ganks that are guaranteed to succeed are massive overkills for laughs/revenge.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Atnal
Edited by: Atnal on 28/01/2009 18:46:57
One trick I read on these forums was to create an disposible alt, have it attack you, then use the CONCORD ships that responded to you for protection against other suicide-gankers.
This is actually considered "illegal" by CCP I believe, or maybe it was labelled as an Exploit. Either way, i'm pretty sure you're not allowed to do this anymore.
To the OP: lol suicide ganked.
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Susan Kennedy
Gallente
Eddie Murphy Appreciation Society
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2009.01.29 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
There's a problem with the cops showing up if you board a ship, the check is only at undock/jump in, so he never gets any ships coming after him because he's using an alt to drop ships which he boards with his pod. No NPCs ever bother him, so the OP is right, the consequences to being -10 are easily avoided.
CCP is aware of this and will hopefully fix it soon.
You are on the CSM (two terms) and are actively advising/commenting/lobbying with CCP on suicide ganking
AND YOU ARE TOTALLY AND 100% INCORRECT ON THIS, ONE OF THE MOST BASIC RULES OF SUICIDE GANKING
This is another damming indictment on the CSM. You should be ashamed of yourself. At the very least, you should refrain from comment untill you actualy know for a fact what you are talking about.
It really is time to bin the CSM.
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2009.01.29 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
There's a problem with the cops showing up if you board a ship, the check is only at undock/jump in, so he never gets any ships coming after him because he's using an alt to drop ships which he boards with his pod. No NPCs ever bother him, so the OP is right, the consequences to being -10 are easily avoided.
CCP is aware of this and will hopefully fix it soon.
what??? you dont know what your talking about. wise men keep quiet in these instances.
Concord doesnt show until the criminal act is committed.
the navvies show when u undock OR board a ship with bad sec pilots.
and to the OP:hahahahahahahahhahahaah
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Funk solitude
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Posted - 2009.01.29 01:12:00 -
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Here's the Kill-mail for all you doubters
This did happen, I just dunno how it happened, I assumed he was cloaking. My screen wasn't updating for me to see what actually happened, all I seen was me in my pod and a guy in an iteron looting my wreck when the client finally updated.
Thanks to the CSM for posting, It seems as tho CCP already think that this is unbalanced which is good, If a player wants to take unlawful actions against another, they should not be able to side step the resulting penalties
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