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Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.28 18:32:00 - [1] Typically, clear terminology is the basis of clear communication. Of course even with clear terminology, communication can be (purposely) vague, but it's certain that unclear terminology foster clear miscommunication. I would like to discuss the term "D2 Special". From this and various other forum sources, I have seen that this term is widely used for a wide variety of things. They all have one thing in common: in most cases the term "D2 Special" refers to a POS configuration. Now, as is normal in the development of languages, terminology gets created on the fly and in the heat of the moment. Someone else picks it up and starts using it too and at times, meme's get created or a bigger audience accepts the term. For me, the first time I opted to use the term "D2 special" was when I was in the MC and sieging D2. At one point they spammed a whole lot of POS Towers from the Caldari variety. They then proceeded to not anchor any offensive modules, but they did anchor at least 25 hardeners. Stacking penalties at that point did not yet effect POS hardeners, so it took a capital fleet upto 5 siege cycles to reinforce these towers. You have to take into account here that this was during the time when 30 dreads was a lot! I am not sure of an earlier use of the term "D2 Special" and I'm not 100% sure anymore when said MC invasion of the north was but I'm fairly certain that these "D2 Specials" as I refer to them were spammed in the L-C and C4C star systems. Does anyone know when exactly this usage of the term "D2 special" was and can anyone give me any earlier uses of the term? It'd be nice to use this forum to agree on a clear, concise definition of the term "D2 Special" so that in the future we all are clear on what it means.
ghost437 Caldari Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.01.28 18:39:00 - [2] lol d2 and mc are dead
SaberX Caldari SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs The Council.	Posted - 2009.01.28 18:39:00 - [3] i still have videos ( from NC side ) that we filmed of the p-2ttl seige when MC and co came into p-2ttl if ur intrested :) was a great day that
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.01.28 18:46:00 - [4] Originally by: ghost437 lol d2 and mc are dead But their memories will live ever on in our hearts
Morris Falter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.01.28 19:13:00 - [5] From my point of view, I always took it to mean "I really hope waagaa isn't still flying around with T1 neutralisers on his aeon of the 500w variety", but this is a personal interpretation, and open to subjective review.
Lasakywa Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.28 19:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Lasakywa on 28/01/2009 19:19:34 I think D2 special stands for "Full hardened POS" or "Full Jamming POS"...remember these nice colors on these POS ?
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.01.28 19:53:00 - [7] Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 28/01/2009 19:53:05 Waagga, someone has hacked your forum login & is posting random junk.
Brmble Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.28 20:03:00 - [8] :slow clap: nice work Erik
SaberX Caldari SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs The Council.	Posted - 2009.01.28 20:15:00 - [9] as far as i remember the term " d2 special " ment a pos with lots of hardners on them
Ni Gaplees Minmatar Universal Business Systems	Posted - 2009.01.28 20:27:00 - [10] I heard bob killed 7 capitals, is this the right thread?
Nemtar Nataal Caldari Demonic Retribution Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.01.28 20:54:00 - [11] Im not sure when it was invented, but it have to have come from before CCP changed the POS sov points. All towers use to give the same amount of sov points so from back when you could spam small towers and they made the same count towards sov as large towers.
Orar Ironfist Gallente Digital assassins	Posted - 2009.01.28 21:13:00 - [12] wow surpirisingly not bad thread.
WShatner Minmatar Wonderfull Toys	Posted - 2009.01.28 21:20:00 - [13] Edited by: WShatner on 28/01/2009 21:22:30 Wow Waagaa, you predilection to post bad :lolserious: is better than it's ever been. Did these D2 POSes cause some sort of PTSD on you when you were sieging them? If so, I ask you, are you not the "D2 special" you're talking about? Man, if D2 caused you so much grief, I wonder what mark PL has left on you.
Omeega Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.01.28 21:35:00 - [14] Originally by: WShatner I wonder what mark PL has left on you. Nanohacs?
yunger Gallente Big Shadows Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.28 21:38:00 - [15] i once took part in killing a disco pos e-war and like 30 warp scramblings bubbles around it My eye¦s !
Sacul Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.28 21:40:00 - [16] Originally by: yunger i once took part in killing a disco pos e-war and like 30 warp scramblings bubbles around it My eye¦s ! Isnt this what goons call a r a p e cage?
Sacul Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.28 21:44:00 - [17] Originally by: WShatner Edited by: WShatner on 28/01/2009 21:22:30 Wow Waagaa, you predilection to post bad :lolserious: is better than it's ever been. Did these D2 POSes cause some sort of PTSD on you when you were sieging them? If so, I ask you, are you not the "D2 special" you're talking about? Man, if D2 caused you so much grief, I wonder what mark PL has left on you. Prolly useless that i reply to you but i think he made the pos because there has been allot of debate on both sides what a d2 special is, jammers or hardeners etc. But keep trolling and PL is teh bestest alliance in all mmo's!
WShatner Minmatar Wonderfull Toys	Posted - 2009.01.28 21:44:00 - [18] Edited by: WShatner on 28/01/2009 21:45:25 I hereby bestow, that henceforth from this day, Waagaa Ktlehr the title of "D2 special"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.28 22:08:00 - [19] As far as I can remember Waagaa you're right. During that time in the north we had a number of different pos setups depending on what we wanted to achieve, just like we have now. Different set ups for Jammers, CynoGens and all that jazz. These were designed to provide as much time as possible so that we could, if possible, drop on you. Making you waste stronth to provide windows of opportunity.
1Of9 Gallente The Circle Frontal Impact	Posted - 2009.01.28 22:20:00 - [20] 1st time i heard the "d2 special" was when D2 spammed towers in fio system on the MC rollover of the north. Wildcard in alliance chat used that terminology.
Doosh Bagge Minmatar THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.28 22:30:00 - [21] Edited by: Doosh Bagge on 28/01/2009 22:33:28 Edited by: Doosh Bagge on 28/01/2009 22:32:42 Originally by: ghost437 lol d2 and mc are dead Yeah, that's a ****in' riot. You should do standup. Also, this was brought up because people have been referring to all-ewar POSes as D2 specials, so clarification that it should be all-hardeners vs all-ewar was a good idea to many of us. Probably pointless and pedantic to a lot of you, but whatever.
Tomas Ysidro Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.28 22:43:00 - [22] I only ever heard D2 Specials in regards to those 25+ hardener POS's. And yes I do kinda have PTSD from shooting those bastards for hours on end.
Gierling Gallente Viper Squad	Posted - 2009.01.28 23:06:00 - [23] Waagaa has a legitimate interest in terminology, its important to him. It extends even into his own name. He actually derived his character name from the noises he makes on teamspeak while mining veld (I tell you, its very disturbing).
agent apple Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.28 23:22:00 - [24] Only on CAOD would people want to remember sieging towers
Rn Bonnet Caldari Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.01.29 00:01:00 - [25] I don't know I enjoy when my girlfriend "sieges" my "tower".
Acies Minator Caldari Young Enterprise Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2009.01.29 00:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Rn Bonnet I don't know I enjoy when my girlfriend "sieges" my "tower". This sounds like some hardcore BDSM. Be careful, things will get out of hand fast...and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Sexual Chocolate Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.29 01:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Acies Minator Originally by: Rn Bonnet I don't know I enjoy when my girlfriend "sieges" my "tower". This sounds like some hardcore BDSM. Be careful, things will get out of hand fast...and we'll be lucky to live through it. I don't see the problem with this.
w0rmy Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.29 01:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Fred0 As far as I can remember Waagaa you're right. During that time in the north we had a number of different pos setups depending on what we wanted to achieve, just like we have now. Different set ups for Jammers, CynoGens and all that jazz. These were designed to provide as much time as possible so that we could, if possible, drop on you. Making you waste stronth to provide windows of opportunity. Except there werent cynogens and jammers at the time he speaks of.
Gjs312 Caldari coracao ardente	Posted - 2009.01.29 01:40:00 - [29] Wagaa you are a much worse poster then you seem to think you are fyi
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.01.29 01:48:00 - [30] Originally by: Gjs312 Wagaa you are a much worse poster then you seem to think you are fyi so when is TRI being reborn again ?
Dastycakes Caldari THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.29 02:05:00 - [31] The D2 special was an all hardener pos they put up during MC's invasion of the north. It effectivly takes forever to kill em but dont bite back. KVEC special is the all ECM pos that looks real pretty but has no effect on dreads/supercaps. This was also before cyno jammers so honestly it made no sence to do but looked cool. A lot of ex-FLA get a good laugh whenever we see it and still wonder what KVEC was thinking. PS: i miss you KVEC guys o/
Petar Quaresma Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.29 02:23:00 - [32] You hid the 'wahhhhhhhhh' in this thread pretty well.
Blazde Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.29 05:06:00 - [33] First time I heard the term was during the middle part of the MC invasion of D2, as the momentum turned against D2 and they began a fighting retreat to Branch. However it was mostly used in a derogatory, propaganda-esque way, meant to imply that it wasn't a valid tactic that any alliance would use in that situation but was something only an alliance as hopeless as D2 would use. Ie. It was their own speciality, the height of their appalling innovation. In all other cases I've only heard them called resist-stars, until now of course when the propogandists wish to imply a similarity between D2's position then and Goons now Regarding the stacking penalty I'm fairly certain it did apply then. I first tested it in late 2005 (when we setup pos during MC's Geminate invasion as it happens), and there was definetely a penalty then - I remember sticking 10 or so hardeners of the same type on a pos. Then in July 2007 (about two months after Branch fell) I calced it exactly to confirm they used the same stacking formula as ship mods do. In between then the new (harsher) stacking penalty was introduced, that was RMR? Maybe pos were stuck on the old formula until Revelations II, but there's nothing in the rev2.x patch notes about it. _
Helen Amarr Viper Squad	Posted - 2009.01.29 06:31:00 - [34] Originally by: destinationZERO Originally by: Gjs312 Wagaa you are a much worse poster then you seem to think you are fyi so when is TRI being reborn again ? Yo your internet fu is abit weak here's a link just for you. TRI being reborn
Nemtar Nataal Caldari Demonic Retribution Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.01.29 07:17:00 - [35] Originally by: Blazde .... In between then the new (harsher) stacking penalty was introduced, that was RMR? Maybe pos were stuck on the old formula until Revelations II, but there's nothing in the rev2.x patch notes about it. well CCP might have Ninja'ed in the change after all they had POS module stacking on the testing list (se Patch Notes section) for almost 2 years. And seeing as CCP unly just fixed the biggest bug in EVE history i cant see why this should be any diffrent. There could have been a bug in the formula...if they have been using the same formula as the one for ships there would atleast alwayes be the big diffrence that the formular was only ever designed to work with up to 8 of the same hardners, and as there are no limits to POS setups and the ammount of modules other then CPU and PG then everything is posible...
Malla Nkomi Minmatar Eternity INC.	Posted - 2009.01.29 09:32:00 - [36] Edited by: Malla Nkomi on 29/01/2009 09:34:10 It wasn't just the maximum hardeners combined with a dread fleet that normally wasn't larger than 10-12; the maximum Strontium load in that period was greater than four days. This caused the MC and allias the usual burnout as they advanced North and led to bringing in ever more minor and newly created alliances to backfill the systems. "Drop five towers and you can have the station", was the usual price for the territory - no one in MC actually cared how many of these new allies turned up in the fleet. Is this the thread where we would announce that MC is talking about reforming? Ah! sorry .. I see that's a different thread.
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.29 13:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Dastycakes KVEC special is the all ECM pos that looks real pretty but has no effect on dreads/supercaps. This was also before cyno jammers so honestly it made no sence to do but looked cool. A lot of ex-FLA get a good laugh whenever we see it and still wonder what KVEC was thinking. Too much FLA drama. Their purpose was more to make sure those pos' were safe to jump in and out of more then stoping capitals. . .there was nothing FLA could do to stop MCs cap fleet.
Keflin Geard Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.29 15:39:00 - [38] Edited by: Keflin Geard on 29/01/2009 15:44:28 Think it started after the fall of L-C - D2 had a freighter party in C4C and dropped about 14 POS with as many hardeners as they could fit on a large POS, think they were all max stronted as well. Ask Mynas - he FC'd a load of the Capital ops to remove them.
Lady Lard Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.30 05:50:00 - [39] This thread reminds me of Delve.
Threadnaught Caldari THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.30 05:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Sexual Chocolate Originally by: Acies Minator Originally by: Rn Bonnet I don't know I enjoy when my girlfriend "sieges" my "tower". This sounds like some hardcore BDSM. Be careful, things will get out of hand fast...and we'll be lucky to live through it. I don't see the problem with this. What's the safeword?
Warrio Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.30 09:33:00 - [41] That D2 video with the Rifter flying around with the talk of "2 Souls" makes me laugh to this day. What was with that anyway?
Ethan Hawk Gallente Meltd0wn Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.01.30 10:09:00 - [42] Edited by: Ethan Hawk on 30/01/2009 10:09:39 I think most exciting thing of D2 was, that some of us were really thinking that we could make it. Was a sad moment to see how the big and "powerful" corps which were in G failed the whole time down in fountain/ Delve... but as far as I can remember it was sufficent to crash at least one of your MSes in Period Basis (only in building). So decide yourself whom you should laugh at ahh and the vid was made by Nevyyn and was quite nice to look at.
Random Womble Minmatar Master Miners	Posted - 2009.01.30 14:30:00 - [43] Originally by: Malla Nkomi Edited by: Malla Nkomi on 29/01/2009 09:38:52 It wasn't just the maximum hardeners combined with a dread fleet that normally wasn't larger than 10-12; the maximum Strontium load in that period was greater than four days. This caused the MC and allias the usual burnout as they advanced North and led to bringing in ever more minor and newly created alliances to backfill the systems. "Drop five towers and you can have the station", was the usual price for the territory - no one in MC actually cared how many of these new allies turned up in the fleet. Is this the thread where we would announce that MC is talking about reforming? Ah! sorry .. I see that's a different thread. With shorter Strontium times 50plus Dreads, I'm not sure that D2 Special is a any longer a term which conveys the full horror and challenge faced by the few guys who drove MC North. the few times i turned up in my dread for the POS bashing with MC on the way up north we tended to have 30+ dread iirc so it was not that small a group.
Phoenix Pryde Caldari 3-I Area 42	Posted - 2009.01.30 14:40:00 - [44] Edited by: Phoenix Pryde on 30/01/2009 14:40:17 Originally by: Ethan Hawk ahh and the vid was made by Nevyyn and was quite nice to look at. No. He s most likely referring to 'The fate of D2'. That was made by Needer from Moontemplar. :P Nevvyn that newb and video's ... preposterous !
Dahin Caldari Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.30 15:18:00 - [45] This tactic was widely discussed in the xzh D2 vs goon back in oh... really old. I cannot confirm with certainty that any of those pos' were deployed in xzh but I do remember something like that discussed while te fight was raging on the normal moons.
Salastil Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.30 16:45:00 - [46] Originally by: Nemtar Nataal Im not sure when it was invented, but it have to have come from before CCP changed the POS sov points. All towers use to give the same amount of sov points so from back when you could spam small towers and they made the same count towards sov as large towers. That was Red Alliance vs The Five and they'd drop a million smalls right before downtime and then scoop them back up and leave. Originally by: Sacul Originally by: yunger i once took part in killing a disco pos e-war and like 30 warp scramblings bubbles around it My eye¦s ! Isnt this what goons call a r a p e cage? Thats killing a staging pos and anchoring about 6+ Larges to snag anything that warps in that wasn't online when the pos popped. You get quite a few capital kills this way.
Freiherr MinceR Caldari SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.01.31 11:35:00 - [47] hi, oh wow first non-jibba-jabba thread on caod since i started eve! thats something special! (at least in my eyes) sadly i never heard the term "d2 special" before. :( but thats worth posting something anyway. :p what i remember were those funny poses that had cruise missile batterys on mass, and all formed to something funny like a heart (simple version of that was formed like a shoebox). so the first who is picked as target by the pos(before it starts randomly cycling around) has a heart made out of cruise missile batterys flying at him till they hit him. i have seen that in space happening and laughed off my ass. i never bothered to make a screenshot. it was at the times when poses just cost 1/4th of what they cost now. not very effective but awesome fun to watch. please if someone has some screenshots of that upload them and post a link. i wish i could see that again. (i realy do) regards, Freiherr MinceR
Veinnail Caldari Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2009.01.31 14:10:00 - [48] Originally by: Dastycakes KVEC special is the all ECM pos that looks real pretty but has no effect on dreads/supercaps. Krullz[CDI] had the ALL ECM/POINTS/WEB pos setup in D7-ZAC in '06. remember it being called "fly paper" SSDC HOME\|\|\|SSDC WANTS YOU

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