all miners should just quit this game until ccp does something. D3 is actually coming out soon.

Also I misread the title so thread did not deliver

baltec....Tell me something. Do you not fit your ships to have them perform at top efficiency for the activity you are using them for? So why would a miner do any differently? Fitting a tank to a barge comes at the cost of mining effieciency. I'm not much of an industrialist, I have a character that mines on occasion when I don't feel like scanning, running missions, or trying to pick a fight.

Why should a miner be forced to fit a tank to mine because of gankers?

It's like trying to say PVP'ers should be forced to gimp their PVP ships with one less tank module or gun.
I understand this is primarily a PVP game and I have nothing against it. I enjoy my PVP when I get some just like the next guy/girl. I'm just curious to know why a lot of people feel that miners are not entitled to peak efficiency for their ships.

Now, if the hulk pilot is responsible for a tank then of course the same responiblity should be for the guy getting tracked by XL guns should upgrade to a capital ship with a buffer to counter the Titan. Problem solved, we leave Hulks as is and un-nerf Titans since CCP doesn't need to get involved. Balance as it should be

Balderdash. Again. "It's just a sandbox." / "This game isn't for you." (Inferring there's a right way and a wrong way.) As the OP said, ganking Hulks is sanctioned by CCP. Miners, as a result, are sanctioned victims. The game is TILTED in favor of criminal behavior by CCP's variables calibration. That same calibration, without "changing" the game, could even things up, or favor the miner. That CCP has skewed the game in this direction, and refuses to UNskew it only proves whose side they're on.

PvP isn't the point of EVE. Calling ganking miners "PvP" is like calling wearing your daddy's shoes "being grown up." If you all were such badasses, you'd be where actual well-fitted, amply-skilled combat pilots roam, taking your chances on your own skills. The fact you're NOT doing this is proof you CAN'T. If you can swim, what're you doing in the wading pool.

Sell this smack to some blind, deaf, fool.

A player should be able to have 15-20 thousand EHP on a Hulk, at the expense of a few low slots.

stuff.

Yes, I know what you mean, but currently it's very clumsy. I envision a system in which all barges have a single middle slot for a scanner, and with the ability to fit, say, an 800mm plate (400mm for T1 barges?), would work better. Maybe even change the exhumer resist bonus into an armor amount bonus. At that point, the risk-reward concept should become much more obvious to miners.

can you share that fit, seriously if thats non faction then I'll just shut up and go away because if thats true then yeah I agree that may be working as intended

Yup. And isn't it almost psychotic how they insist that engaging and popping a paper-bag of a Mack is PvP and NOT akin to a suicidal Terrorist Attack ?

These Idiots would blame the World Trade Center Towers for not being tanked with 10 foot Lead Sheets.

When you are deliberately going to plan on winding up in a Cargohold-nerfed capsule, it's not Piracy.

Piracy involves financial benefit at the least.

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I am not crying for CCP to make highsec 100% safe, but I am afraid that the OP does not belong to a 0.001 % of EVE players and that the recent ganking behaviour will lead in long term to a significant drop in subs. I hope I am wrong with that prediction, we will see what comes.