Yup. And isn't it almost psychotic how they insist that engaging and popping a paper-bag of a Mack is PvP and NOT akin to a suicidal Terrorist Attack ?

These Idiots would blame the World Trade Center Towers for not being tanked with 10 foot Lead Sheets.

Ah, yes, let's bring RL terrorism discussions into a video game. Well, as someone who was daydreaming and looking at the towers through the classroom window when the first plane hit, I can tell you with great satisfaction that society has adapted by mandating an update to building codes that require significantly increased resistance to impact and temperature for high-rise towers and skyscrapers.

To the guy who keeps mentioning T1 barge survivability: keep in mind that these are T1 ships, and as such are (1) cheap and (2) fully insurable. Losing a retriever with T2 strips is probably not much different from losing a Thrasher with T2 artillery from the financial perspective.

It's not called Player Vs. Another Forewarned and Similarly Equipped Player (PVAFASEP)..

Not to say there is anything wrong with not wanting to PvP. But if you don't, its probably not the beeest idea to play :c

And as I said, those people, who choose to woefully undertank (no tank) their hulk, probably deserve to lose it, you'll get no argument from me on that. I personally think the hulk needs a minor buff, to help fit a slightly better tank, but if people won't tank it now, I'm not sure they will with a slight buff in fitting. My issue is with the other barges, that don't have the same tank as the hulk. I'm not saying they should have an equal tank, but really they are pathetic in comparison.

You kind of answered your own question there.

So, tell me, why should I be forced to gimp my Megathron's damage by fitting a buffer instead of seven straight-up damage mods?


Actually you know what, that kind of says everything about the type of player you are. Don't take it as an insult though, just as criticism of a line of thought that is best avoided, unless you want to suffer in the long run.

i have been thinking all day about this subject. i have come to some b asic conclusions;

1. ban hi sec ganking. period. let the only legitimate way to conduct battle be via the wardec.

2.disband alliances. remove alliances from the game completely.

3. make corporations the only legitimate entity in the game.

4. only corps can sieze and hold territory.

5. limit the size of corporations ie 1500 players each max.

6. corps would be allowed to control the maximum of 5-10 solar systems.

i think the game has too many imbalances in it. there is too much power concentrated in fewer and fewer hands and this monopoly must be broken. i agree with the essential pov of pvp that combat is the life blood that drives the interest of most players. players like me who avoid combat are the rarity. by ending alliance control of space and opening it up to corporations i think you set the stage for pvp activity on a much greater scale for smaller groups. it no longer would require blobs of titans to have fun. small corps could have as much chance at owning space as anyone else. i think there would be more fun to be had. hi sec is for those who dont like combat. they have as much right in the game as those who like pvp activity. they also have a legitimate claim for safety without being attacked in their normal course of business. each has their role in eve and each has a right to their space to conduct their business as they see fit. thats why pvp belongs in low and null sec and peace belongs to hi sec except in wardecs which i think are legitimate.

SOME people choose not to do it?! this is the killboard from hulkageddon 4 last year: http://hulkageddon4.machine9.net/killboard/?a=home&m=2&y=2011

I'll give 25mill isk to a person who finds a damage control 2 on a hulk

i have been thinking all day about this subject. i have come to some b asic conclusions;

1. ban hi sec ganking. period. let the only legitimate way to conduct battle be via the wardec.

2.disband alliances. remove alliances from the game completely.

3. make corporations the only legitimate entity in the game.

4. only corps can sieze and hold territory.

5. limit the size of corporations ie 1500 players each max.

6. corps would be allowed to control the maximum of 5-10 solar systems.

i think the game has too many imbalances in it. there is too much power concentrated in fewer and fewer hands and this monopoly must be broken. i agree with the essential pov of pvp that combat is the life blood that drives the interest of most players. players like me who avoid combat are the rarity. by ending alliance control of space and opening it up to corporations i think you set the stage for pvp activity on a much greater scale for smaller groups. it no longer would require blobs of titans to have fun. small corps could have as much chance at owning space as anyone else. i think there would be more fun to be had. hi sec is for those who dont like combat. they have as much right in the game as those who like pvp activity. they also have a legitimate claim for safety without being attacked in their normal course of business. each has their role in eve and each has a right to their space to conduct their business as they see fit. thats why pvp belongs in low and null sec and peace belongs to hi sec except in wardecs which i think are legitimate.

To the guy who keeps mentioning T1 barge survivability: keep in mind that these are T1 ships, and as such are (1) cheap and (2) fully insurable. Losing a retriever with T2 strips is probably not much different from losing a Thrasher with T2 artillery from the financial perspective.

People kill hulks for profit. Incidently the hulk pilot is a player and the gank pilot is a player which means it is pvp. Same as how selling stuff in jita is pvp. PVP is the backbone of EVE.