What I will add to this discussion, is only this:

wtf?

And the Terrorists of 9/11 respawned in their clones, with a lower security status

Yup. And isn't it almost psychotic how they insist that engaging and popping a paper-bag of a Mack is PvP and NOT akin to a suicidal Terrorist Attack ?

These Idiots would blame the World Trade Center Towers for not being tanked with 10 foot Lead Sheets.

Not sure at all how to interpret this.

Try again.

[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Small Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Pyroxeres Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Pyroxeres Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Pyroxeres Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Mining Drone II x5
Warrior II x5

Treo... Why is there always someone who doesnt understand PLEX in every thread. Subbing your account with PLEX is literally, 100% exactly the same as paying real money. There are others that buy PLEX, yes, just like there are other people who pay a sub.

It is -exactly- the same in terms of how much you contribute to CCP's wallet. The removal of one PLEXed account would hurt CCP just as much as the removal of one subbed account, and the removal of 10,000 PLEXed accounts would hurt CCP as much as the removal of 10,000 subbed accounts.

Its not terrorism its piracy.

It sucks but in the end its just that the game is not for you. Not to say there is anything wrong with not wanting to PvP. But if you don't, its probably not the beeest idea to play :c

Its not terrorism its piracy.

After that pathetic attempt I think you should, another game preferably.

What attempt ?

the gankers improved by the destroyer buff now the miners have to get

Your failed attempt at a real-life simile.

GǪabsolutely nothing, since the destroyer buff fixed the imbalance caused by the CONCORD buffs and the insurance nerfs. The only difference is that the gankers chose to adapt; the miners refuse to do the same (and they also refuse to acknowledge the fact that they already had their buffsGǪ numerous times).

there is a slight difference between changing you habit or your fit in order to adapt and a change of ship stats by a buff.

facts:

the pure statistical DPS output of cheaper ships has improved (via Tier 3 BC and destroyer buff)
the stats of industrial ships did not improve

When you are deliberately going to plan on winding up in a Cargohold-nerfed capsule, it's not Piracy.

Piracy involves financial benefit at the least.

[quote=Kietay Ayari]


I am not crying for CCP to make highsec 100% safe, but I am afraid that the OP does not belong to a 0.001 % of EVE players and that the recent ganking behaviour will lead in long term to a significant drop in subs. I hope I am wrong with that prediction, we will see what comes.

just to make it clear, I am not a miner, I hate mining, its the most boring thing you can do in EVE in my opinion, but some people like it and who am I to judge them

You wouldn't go into a mission or pvp without a tank, why do miners think they are an exception? AND then result in crying their eyes out on the forum about it?! Miners should be tanking against the world instead of thinking the world is risk free.

For the OP who is 'quitting' as mining is potentially about to become the most valuable profession in the game depending how the market goes then EVE or even any other game is clearly not for you

Read the post above you. Yes, it's possible to tank a hulk. Sure some people choose to not do it. And I'm fine with them losing their ships to superior firepower. But the T1 barges, can't be tanked to even a minimal degree. It takes literally next to nothing to blow away a T1 barge. To me, that shows that there is something wrong with the equation. Mining barges, are not pvp vessels, and cannot be fitted to tank as such, yet they are on the receiving end of alot of 'pvp'. They need their tanks buffed.

SOME people choose not to do it?! this is the killboard from hulkageddon 4 last year: http://hulkageddon4.machine9.net/killboard/?a=home&m=2&y=2011

I'll give 25mill isk to a person who finds a damage control 2 on a hulk

Treo... Why is there always someone who doesnt understand PLEX in every thread. Subbing your account with PLEX is literally, 100% exactly the same as paying real money. There are others that buy PLEX, yes, just like there are other people who pay a sub.

It is -exactly- the same in terms of how much you contribute to CCP's wallet. The removal of one PLEXed account would hurt CCP just as much as the removal of one subbed account, and the removal of 10,000 PLEXed accounts would hurt CCP as much as the removal of 10,000 subbed accounts.

Any fittings buff that might potentially come about for Exhumers would inevitably be used to boost their mining output instead, and the pleas to be made "less vulnerable" would continue unabated.

Hulks are tankable.

Other exhumers are cheap enough to be considered expendable.

All of them are capable of simply not being there to be ganked if their pilot is situationally aware... and that is really the main goal of an industrial ship in any potentially dangerous area, to not be there when when the reaper comes for you.

Always fit and pilot your ship according to the situations you are likely to encounter. If you feel safe in the area you mine in, fit for maximum yield, if not then fit to tank or evade and fly accordingly.