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amarrcommander	Posted - 2009.01.31 12:02:00 - [31] Originally by: Nomad Vherokic Ok... I'm sure most of us have had a run in with the odd spammer/scammer in Jita or Motsu or wherever. However, after a trip to Jita this evening for some supplies, I was looking through contracts for particular items and it suddenly dawned on me that for most of the items I was looking at (PLEXs, T2 & Faction Ships, Faction Mods etc) the contracts where basically scams. I would say at least 50% of everything listed under each of these items were scams. This is a ridiculous amount! The kind of thing I am talking about are the 'WTB Raven Navy Issue 300 Million' (where the actual contract is only for 300 isk or something similar), or the ones where they are offering say a Amarr Navy Large Armour Repairer and the item in question is actually a T1 Large Armour Rep... Okay, so this isn't new... but I have reached my limit on how many contractors I can ignore and I am still seeing all this crap! I don't see the point of petitioning the characters as the originators are just going to create another alt and scam/spam some more once the petitioned character gets banned... This is probably just me letting off steam as this has been going on for ages and isn't getting any better! The only thing I can think of is not allowing people on trial accounts to create contracts... any thoughts? Hey look a noob crying that he got ripped off by a scam but instead of just admitting that he says he is just "TIRED" of it.
Nomad Vherokic	Posted - 2009.01.31 13:11:00 - [32] Who's the noob? (don't judge a player's age by the age of his character - often fatal mistake) Been playing on and off since 2004. The original post was prompted because I had recently started spending some time back in Empire space, and was shocked because it looked like EvE was turning into World of n00bcraft. If you haven't got anything to offer to what is an interesting discussion here then don't bother posting.
Nomad Vherokic	Posted - 2009.01.31 19:38:00 - [33] I agree that there are ways you can use the filters to 'weed out' the scammers, but to specifically have to use filters to do that instead of using them to find what you want? That's really annoying!!!!! But I agree necessary and something I am forced to do more and more... As for LOCAL spam in say Jita, how about stopping contracts being 'dragged' into local completely and only allowed into legit trading channels? You could have a specific class of trading channel where it is okay for contracts to be dropped into them, so if you enjoy watching your chat channel scroll past at a rate of knots with yellow [WANT TO BUY] or [WANT TO SELL] links then you can... If you just want to chat with whoever might be in the area at the time then you can too without being bombarded with all of that stuff...
Jones Bones Buckeye Industries	Posted - 2009.01.31 20:09:00 - [34] People actually have local open while in Jita? Jita (and other major hubs) are like outdoor markets in 3rd world countries. People selling and trading their wares. If you are too inept to under that it isn't a Rolex, too bad. Anytime you are looking to make a substantial purchase it should be like a B2B (business to business) situation. Industrialists/traders live and die by their reputation. Find those who have a good reputation and what you need and you win! TLDR: If the price is to good to be true, it is.
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.02.01 00:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Stefan F Change how the block list works. Dont block the character anymore but the account the character is on. Char moved to another acct? (costs 20 bucks) char is unblocked. Char biomassed, new one created, or simply another char from the 3 slots: still blocked. That is an excellent idea.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.01 10:30:00 - [36] Originally by: flakeys I don't miss the point .Hence why i said opposite of pvp you counter the revenge IN ADVANCE.If no one falls for it then there will be no more of these.So counter it with actually reading the contract etc like i said before. So, to beat the scammers you have to educate every 'tard in Jita? Pass. I'm not saying scam contracts shouldn't be allowed, but it would be nice to be able to target scammers somehow. I don't see an answer myself.
cpt Mark	Posted - 2009.02.01 11:10:00 - [37] I saw someone contract scamming for GTC - which people pay real money for so this is unacceptable. Furthermore, for younger players they are not able to understand the contract process fully and are very likely to be scammed. .......... One major change should be in contract payment, it should not have the 0s, but it should have the amount written (32,000,000 becomes 32 Million AT ALL TIMES). How many 0s are here? 1230000000000 321000000000 The same? nope you have just bargained for 1000% more than you expected.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.01 20:34:00 - [38] Edited by: Nullity on 01/02/2009 20:37:47 Edited by: Nullity on 01/02/2009 20:37:14 Originally by: nether void edit Actually there's no risk at all. This is so wrong. When scamming, you risk spending hours of game time and making zero back in rewards. Believe it or not, most people are intelligent enough to not fall for all the ridiculous scams out there. Scammers have the tough job of seeking out those who are not intelligent enough, and taking advantage of them. It's hard work, and it's boring at times, but if you're successful, the end result is incredibly rewarding. You should really try scamming sometime. You'll never know if you like scamming or not until you get the rush of completing one. If scamming were nerfed, or banned, EVE would be a completely different game. The selling point of EVE for me is not its gameplay (in fact, EVE's gameplay is pretty dry and boring), the setting, or the backstory (though it is a good backstory). The selling point of EVE, and the reason why this game is so phenomenal is because of how free and limitless it is. EVE is the ultimate social experiment, and it is wonderful to observe it, and experience it to its fullest. To take away any of these player freedoms is to kill the soul of the game.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.01 21:20:00 - [39] Then add things to the game instead of removing them. Add the ability to pay tracking agents to hunt down "associates" of the person who's scamming (EG their main). Pay the corp whose station they inhabit to reveal who their ISK flows to. That kind of thing. You can't take revenge on a character that never undocks and sits in 4-4 for their entire lifespan, eventually getting biomassed when the scams don't work anymore.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.01 21:25:00 - [40] Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Then add things to the game instead of removing them. Add the ability to pay tracking agents to hunt down "associates" of the person who's scamming (EG their main). Pay the corp whose station they inhabit to reveal who their ISK flows to. That kind of thing. You can't take revenge on a character that never undocks and sits in 4-4 for their entire lifespan, eventually getting biomassed when the scams don't work anymore. I like those ideas in theory, but like I said, you have to keep in mind that the vast majority of scams do not work, and most of the time spent on them is simply fruitless. Scamming isn't that lucrative, it's just delightfully infuriating.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.01 21:48:00 - [41] Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Quick example. I just cleared my contract block list, then searched for the following items, blocking buyers listing for less than 10% of the "real" item price. PLEX codes Machariel Nightmare Vindicator Bhaalgorn Kronos Vargur Paladin Raven navy issue Tempest Fleet Issue Navy Apoc Navy Mega My blocklist is now full again. Yay. I would rather just be able to filter out want to buy contracts. much easier than blocking out all the low ball wtb contracts. and well, I don't plan on selling to any wtb contracts anyways.
Amy Mouse	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:55:00 - [42] Originally by: Nullity Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Then add things to the game instead of removing them. Add the ability to pay tracking agents to hunt down "associates" of the person who's scamming (EG their main). Pay the corp whose station they inhabit to reveal who their ISK flows to. That kind of thing. You can't take revenge on a character that never undocks and sits in 4-4 for their entire lifespan, eventually getting biomassed when the scams don't work anymore. I like those ideas in theory, but like I said, you have to keep in mind that the vast majority of scams do not work, and most of the time spent on them is simply fruitless. Scamming isn't that lucrative, it's just delightfully infuriating. I agree, it had been little infuriating last 3 days for me. All is good, when you realize you taught Jita a good lesson, and people are learning from their mistakes. I like to add that multiple contract buyouts from the same person makes my day. There are always "the slow few" but eventually, the will get with the program :)
Tyranthin The Space Vikings	Posted - 2009.02.02 11:45:00 - [43] This is a topic discussion that I would expect from the dregs in C&P, not the semi-educated folks of MD. For those of you who don't get scammed, who are smart enough to identify and avoid the pitfalls of scammers, I ask this: Why do you care if some other poor sucker loses his ISK? And, for those of you who do get scammed, who either failed to pay attention or got caught up in the greed of a "too good to be true" price, I ask this: Why should there be game mechanics in place to mitigate your idiotic loss? Frankly, I hate the fact that people are trying to make EVE a "friendlier" game. Cold, harsh and brutal are the cornerstones of the game. Can we please keep it that way?
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.02 13:18:00 - [44] Originally by: Veevie 80%? I yet have to see an non-scam contract in Jita local. I posted a couple of legitimate ones back in mid-07. I also saw a legitimate CNR contract last week. Almost choked when I saw it because of the shock. True story.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.02 21:18:00 - [45] Originally by: Tyranthin Frankly, I hate the fact that people are trying to make EVE a "friendlier" game. Cold, harsh and brutal are the cornerstones of the game. Can we please keep it that way? Why should the game not get a little colder and harder for scammers then? Serious question, why should scammers have it so easy?
Amy Mouse	Posted - 2009.02.03 01:35:00 - [46] Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Originally by: Tyranthin Frankly, I hate the fact that people are trying to make EVE a "friendlier" game. Cold, harsh and brutal are the cornerstones of the game. Can we please keep it that way? Why should the game not get a little colder and harder for scammers then? Serious question, why should scammers have it so easy? its not easy for some people... some people have hulks to mine, while the few still mine in ibises. Some strike it rich, most others waste their time :)
Sidrat Flush Caldari Life is Experience Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.02.03 01:52:00 - [47] Skim read the thread, so excuse me if I'm repeating myself. I want to point out two things. First - Caveat Empour or however it's spelt. I don't knowingly scam people I sell for a price or minimum price that I pick, people choose to buy or ignore it. No worries. I use the description to tell people what the contract contains. I don't think I've put a price in the contract (ingame) description ever. There's no need to. These are the types of bpc's you'll find, interested? Take a look then. Anyway, that being said the second thing is the new feature called Market Place - or whatever it's going to be known as. I view it as a chance to obtain (hopefully) and keep (with prompt service) new customers coming through based on internal limits of availability. I know if we can't keep up with demand people will go elsewhere. Possibly for less isk, maybe for more - if they're willing to pay and need the item in question right away, then it's my misfortune. I really hope it's going to be done at a corporate level. Yes, the alliance mechanics needs to be worked on but if the market place can be featured and run at the alliance level, then that may cut out the smaller entities. Of course everyone can check what alliance that corp belongs to or if it's a possible smoke-screen. Buyers choice at the end. I'm sure there are other ways of advertising the capabilities and ensuring deliveries are prompt and accurate and at a good price for both parties concerned. -------------------------- Life is about memories the more the better.
rubico1337 Caldari nefarious badgers inc	Posted - 2009.02.03 09:07:00 - [48] Originally by: Amy Mouse YEAH! contract scams drive me nuts too! iseewhatyoudidthere Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES and use your heavy nos cause it drain their cap then u click the jhammer and dampenener
Blindman081 Gallente Inter Caetera	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:38:00 - [49] Its not just contracts, its also the market, its flooded with people selling things with extra zeros scam.
Dawts Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:24:00 - [50] I don't know why you're jumping all over the guy, the contract scam is just flat out annoying. I don't even look at the ones linked in local, I just assume it's a scam from the start. f.y.i. the only scam I've fallen for is the send me isk and I'll double it, he just started and I sent a mill to see if he'd double it so he'd seem legit, he didn't and got a free mill, yay for him.
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.06 09:02:00 - [51] I would also like to see larger block list, as mine is full. Every time I have to visit Jita and happen to see interesting contracts linked in local I usually end up bloking the issuer after taking a look at that khm ... 'cheap navy item'.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.02.06 13:19:00 - [52] Originally by: Stefan F Change how the block list works. Dont block the character anymore but the account the character is on. Char moved to another acct? (costs 20 bucks) char is unblocked. Char biomassed, new one created, or simply another char from the 3 slots: still blocked. Don't want this idea to get lost in the shuffle. A wonderful suggestion but it would still need the list limit expanded.

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