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Kira Kasumi
Maxime Prosunt
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:53:00 -
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Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again. |

Riyal
Chode Extravaganza
13
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:57:00 -
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Because fun is all about logic? |

ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
627
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:57:00 -
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Not when you see it as some kind of market manipulation everyone can cash in on! Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |

Darth A30NZ
Militaris Industries Cascade Imminent
497
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:58:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again.
This just in...
"Eve is Illogical"
Moar on this at eleven. New Eden Spotlight full episode list.-á
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=796969&#post796969 |

Kira Kasumi
Maxime Prosunt
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:59:00 -
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guess i just dont see it as that fun to kill stuff without any risk, if that's what i wanted i would play modern warfare or some other mindless nonrisk pvp game.
but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it. |

TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
136
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:00:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again.
You're missing the point and like everything else in eve, I doubt anyone will tell you how\why |

Darth A30NZ
Militaris Industries Cascade Imminent
497
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:02:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:guess i just dont see it as that fun to kill stuff without any risk, if that's what i wanted i would play modern warfare or some other mindless nonrisk pvp game.
but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it.
This just in...
Pilots in New Eden do random things that are illogical.
Moar on this at eleven.
if you can't wait till 11 you can always watch New Eden Spotlight for random capsular violence anytime. New Eden Spotlight full episode list.-á
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=796969&#post796969 |

xanaxred
Black Moon Citadel The House Of Cards.
7
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:02:00 -
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Hulkageddon seems unorganized....
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2272
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:03:00 -
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No it isn't illogical. Not everyone who participates in it complains about the prices. The event itself also doesn't affect the market all that much, so the prices are what they are regardless of hulkageddon. There are simply bigger factors, that determine the price levels and compared to them hulkageddon is just a minor bump in the road. The event is also fun for the players taking part in it, which is the entire point of playing a game, so no matter what your views on the rising prices are it makes perfect sense to take part. |

BellaDonna Nyghtshade
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:03:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again.
You attempt to assign logic to a group and process that don't understand the meaning of the word.
The people behind this have no interest in the market; they buy their ships/etc with real life monies in the form of Plex and GTC.
They only have a single focus; to ruin the game for as many as possible.
Their highest achievement is the rage-quit. They consider this the pinnacle of success.
These are no secrets. They have openly bragged as much, and continue to do so at every opportunity.
Once they finally manage to kill this game, they, like the invaders portrayed in the movie Independence Day, will simply move on to the next game that catches their attention, rinse and repeat.
There is no logic in this, so stop looking for it.
The best thing you *CAN* do is to ignore them.
Refuse to play the game their way. The greatest feature of EvE is that nobody can really dictate your gameplay; that only happens if you fall for the ruses and traps.
Just ignore them.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
347
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:07:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:guess i just dont see it as that fun to kill stuff without any risk, if that's what i wanted i would play modern warfare or some other mindless nonrisk pvp game.
but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it. Oh, well, if you don't understand the appeal behind it, then it's obviously not appealing. I guess you cleared up some things for us, that we weren't entirely sure about.
Alright guys, Hulkageddon is canceled. Go home to your children/wives/child-wives/realdolls.
BellaDonna Nyghtshade wrote:The people behind this have no interest in the market; they buy their ships/etc with real life monies in the form of Plex and GTC. Actually, we buy our stuff with the ISK we make from killing, ransoming, and extorting other players out of their hard-earned income. We spend ISK to buy PLEXes, not the other way around. The ones who spend real-life cash on in-game money are usually the bears who put all their eggs in one basket.
You were surprisingly spot-on about everything else you said though, so I give you props for that. |

gfldex
477
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:07:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it.
You imply that those who gank hulks in highsec don't profit from it. Since all you need is a catalyst and the boost for player ship salvage, you will turn a profit on every gank. Every now and then you hit a jackpot. When someone burns down your sandcaste, bring sausages. |

Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
84
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:08:00 -
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The above poster is a numpty, i know plenty of people who take part in hulkageddon and also kill hulks themselves for the sole reason of market manipulation and to drive up the costs for both Hulks and minerals..
Those of us with enough smarts to be buying up Hulk BPC's making them and selling them are they ones that are winning at eve.
We made about 800misk from killing hulks one week.. Our ships in total cost less than 100misk.. So dunno where your coming out with the not profiteering from it. |

Sandra Vellocet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:09:00 -
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xanaxred wrote:Hulkageddon seems unorganized....
Yes, why cant this so called "event" be better organized. I'm sick of sifting through #tweetfleet looking for more info about Hulkageddon. I hate twitter! |

Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
156
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:15:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Kira Kasumi wrote:but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it. You imply that those who gank hulks in highsec don't profit from it. Since all you need is a catalyst and the boost for player ship salvage, you will turn a profit on every gank. Every now and then you hit a jackpot.
Jackpot would be if it dropped, you had a glimpse of a possible small valued module, and ffs, 45mil is hardly a jackpot... |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
621
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:16:00 -
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It's very logical. I am making money off it before it even started. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |

knobber Jobbler
158
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:17:00 -
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FYI Goons never stated they'd kill the game, they'd kill your game.
Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again.
Its logical if you have made a not so wild assumption that the mineral price increase is down because people are buying up the minerals and then selling them back to the market at ever inflated price. Currently all those minerals are sitting in Jita being trickled back into the market to make massive profits, with huge stashes saved up to sell now the prices is massively increased.
Hulkageddon is about fun but also about making a massive profit of people through deliberate market manipulation mixed with a steady drop on mineral supplies.
Best thing to do right now is get a mining barge or invest. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3410
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:20:00 -
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BellaDonna Nyghtshade wrote:Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again. You attempt to assign logic to a group and process that don't understand the meaning of the word. The people behind this have no interest in the market; they buy their ships/etc with real life monies in the form of Plex and GTC. They only have a single focus; to ruin the game for as many as possible. Their highest achievement is the rage-quit. They consider this the pinnacle of success. These are no secrets. They have openly bragged as much, and continue to do so at every opportunity. Once they finally manage to kill this game, they, like the invaders portrayed in the movie Independence Day, will simply move on to the next game that catches their attention, rinse and repeat. There is no logic in this, so stop looking for it. The best thing you *CAN* do is to ignore them. Refuse to play the game their way. The greatest feature of EvE is that nobody can really dictate your gameplay; that only happens if you fall for the ruses and traps. Just ignore them.
You know what the WORST thing about them is?
They make wild inaccurate and self-serving generalisations. All of them! All the time! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
347
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:20:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Best thing to do right now is get a mining barge or invest. It's probably too late for the latter, to be honest. |

Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
84
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:21:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:FYI Goons never stated they'd kill the game, they'd kill your game. Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again. Its logical if you have made a not so wild assumption that the mineral price increase is down because people are buying up the minerals and then selling them back to the market at ever inflated price. Currently all those minerals are sitting in Jita being trickled back into the market to make massive profits, with huge stashes saved up to sell now the prices is massively increased. Hulkageddon is about fun but also about making a massive profit of people through deliberate market manipulation mixed with a steady drop on mineral supplies. Best thing to do right now is get a mining barge or invest.
^^ This guy gets it!
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Ravan Hekki
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
16
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:24:00 -
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Yeah all those miners should be jumping with glee! Go mine like crazy for a few weeks and then stop for Hulkageddon. About half way through sell your minerals - make money. Really its almost worth stock piling your minerals for a year and wait toll the 'geggen comes round. I certainly am hoping to profit from a combination of destroyer/hulk and mineral sales. |

Sandra Vellocet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:34:00 -
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Ravan Hekki wrote:Yeah all those miners should be jumping with glee! Go mine like crazy for a few weeks and then stop for Hulkageddon. About half way through sell your minerals - make money. Really its almost worth stock piling your minerals for a year and wait toll the 'geggen comes round. I certainly am hoping to profit from a combination of destroyer/hulk and mineral sales.
Ok, fair point. give me an exact date that hulkageddon will start and I will do that... can you/anyone do that? |

Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
84
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:35:00 -
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Sandra Vellocet wrote:Ravan Hekki wrote:Yeah all those miners should be jumping with glee! Go mine like crazy for a few weeks and then stop for Hulkageddon. About half way through sell your minerals - make money. Really its almost worth stock piling your minerals for a year and wait toll the 'geggen comes round. I certainly am hoping to profit from a combination of destroyer/hulk and mineral sales. Ok, fair point. give me an exact date that hulkageddon will start and I will do that... can you/anyone do that?
24th of April right after Jita gets burned to the ground (apparently). |

Sandra Vellocet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:36:00 -
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Sandra Vellocet wrote:Ravan Hekki wrote:Yeah all those miners should be jumping with glee! Go mine like crazy for a few weeks and then stop for Hulkageddon. About half way through sell your minerals - make money. Really its almost worth stock piling your minerals for a year and wait toll the 'geggen comes round. I certainly am hoping to profit from a combination of destroyer/hulk and mineral sales. Ok, fair point. give me an exact date that hulkageddon will start and I will do that... can you/anyone do that? 24th of April right after Jita gets burned to the ground (apparently).
Thank you (hope your right)
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
514
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:41:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again.
Or on the other side of the coin they've planned it to be exactly at that point straight after the gunmining nerf and Jita burn when mineral prices are expected to spike upward as people live off their depleting reserves.
The logical response would be to go out and mine, the logical counter would be host Hulkageddon right there and then for maximum tears/exposure/internets fame and attentions. The latter of which certain people seem to constantly be whoring themselves out for.
So dock your barges, take a couple of weeks off, scout out your new mining homes and plan for your large scale post HG ops where you can cash in on the mineral prices. Laugh at the idiots who didn't listen and got their shiny barges blown up by Thrasher fleets and be safe knowing some guys are roaming around frustrated they didn't get to harvest your tears*.
To answer your question, yes, it's very logical from their perspective.
*No really, the amount of tears Carebears can harvest by denying people kills is extraordinary. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |

knobber Jobbler
158
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:04:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Best thing to do right now is get a mining barge or invest. It's probably too late for the latter, to be honest.
There is still time to make a quick buck. If you invest a few billion today in buy orders, you'll probably make a profit when you sell it all back tomorrow in sell orders.
What I'm curious about is when it becomes profitable to buy up items to reprocess to sell them back to the market as minerals. |

Justice Comes
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:05:00 -
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I shall now explain it in one sentence: The people doing the killing are not the people that care about cheap prices on ships, etc. Google Chrome could not load the webpage because forums.eveonline.com took too long to respond. The website may be down, or you may be experiencing issues with your Internet connection. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
708
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:11:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:guess i just dont see it as that fun to kill stuff without any risk, if that's what i wanted i would play modern warfare or some other mindless nonrisk pvp game.
but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it.
without risk lol, we have CONCORD that will kill the gamkers if they commit a "crime"
then go play WoW  |

Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
208
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:15:00 -
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In a world full of pirates robbing each other every second it's completely logical to remove the farmers sowing the seeds and harvesting the crops, 'cause it's so cool to hate them.
I hope I am around to see the last hulk burned by laser fire, only to notice people starting to mine in frigates and battleships again. Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |

Caellach Marellus
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
515
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:19:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Kira Kasumi wrote:guess i just dont see it as that fun to kill stuff without any risk, if that's what i wanted i would play modern warfare or some other mindless nonrisk pvp game.
but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it. without risk lol, we have CONCORD that will kill the gamkers if they commit a "crime"
Let's be fair, losing a cheap Thrasher is hardly a risk when you're bringing down a ship that's 100x in cost. People would be less inclined to suicidegank hulks if they required any major investment. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |

Boomhaur
12
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:29:00 -
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Don't know about the rest of you but I already made money off of the burn Jita and hulkagedon people before it started . |

MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
258
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:29:00 -
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Hulkageddon, because of market. 'Nuff said. I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |

dave3NG
mgfc
11
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:42:00 -
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Sandra Vellocet wrote: Thank you (hope your right)
It is right after "Burn Jita", but I think that's on 28th April, as it's a Saturday. CBA to go C&P to confirm 
I used my Mack for the first time in a year yesterday, then went AFK for 4 hours in space.. still got the Mack, so Tolle seems safe enough. AFK mining ftw.. |

Whitehound
159
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:02:00 -
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Hulkageddon is about finding weaknesses in the game and exposing them. One could only write about what one sees as a weakness, but if it goes unheard then one needs to show it. I do not see this as being irrational.
It is mean, but so is giving kids space ships with guns so they can shoot each other. If you want to complain then complain to CCP for making it possible. No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell |

Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
307
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:31:00 -
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To the OP,
There is undeniable logic behind Hulkageddon. You have to think about it for a while to see it. Hulkageddon offers rewards in many forms for those to achieve certain types of kills and number of kills, so there is incentive to kill mining ships even at the expense of a sec-hit. There is also the loot that is dropped whenever a Hulk is killed that are later sold to the market. And that is not including the salvage that comes from the wreck. Some Hulk pilots fit faction mods on their ships like ORE Strip Miners and others which grab the attention of seasoned gankers who scan their targets for profitable loot.
Then there is the fact that not all gankers are strictly pvp-focused pilots. A number of them are also miners themselves who want to drive prices back up for minerals and ultimately ships so that they can profit more. After all, they are gathering the minerals to either sell direct or use them to manufacture the ships needed to gank miners.
In regards to the sec status, it doesn't matter to be honest. All you need is a ganker alt that will definitely be a -10 character pretty soon. You then use your main to deliver the gank ship to a safespot in the system where your target is located and then swap ship with the ganker alt. Just remember that as soon as your -10 character boards the ship, you will need to haul ass and warp to your target before the local faction police arrives. No, your warp capabilities will not be disabled until you actually provoke Concord by ganking someone. Once you ganked someone, warp to safespot or dock up and wait for GCC timer to expire in 15 minutes. Rinse. Repeat. Profit.
Oh, don't forget to use your main character to pick up and salvage the loot left behind.
I can speculate as to why people think Hulkageddon may not have had a serious impact on the economy. Perhaps it already did and we didn't notice it because we have grown so accustomed to Hulkageddon and those who gank outside the event all year round that the prices have adjusted accordingly before anyone realized it and now we have this impression that Hulkageddon didn't make an impact. It's like the reverse form of when the media says that crime seems to increase during a full moon at night but experts point out that it's just the fact that the light from the moon just illuminates what was already there but didn't notice before. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |

Koppite
Onyx Brotherhood Apocalyptic Legion.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:51:00 -
[36] - Quote
some ppl still think they are pvping....   |

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
92
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:55:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote: without risk lol, we have CONCORD that will kill the gamkers if they commit a "crime"
That is not a risk (where the consequence is chance-based), it is a certainty, though.
Unbanned since 2011.10.20. |

Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
307
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:59:00 -
[38] - Quote
Nerath Naaris wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote: without risk lol, we have CONCORD that will kill the gamkers if they commit a "crime"
That is not a risk (where the consequence is chance-based), it is a certainty, though.
The risk is not succeeding in the gank and thus getting nothing out of it. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |

Rekon X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:06:00 -
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Retards in abundance. I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all. |

Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:08:00 -
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Consider that Hulk ganking goes on year round. Then consider that the price for a Hulk (and almost every ship/mod in the game) has risen to unprecedented levels without the "help" of the actual Hulkageddon event.
The Hulkageddon promoters will point to kill mails as the "evidence " that Hulkageddon is having the intended effect. I've run the numbers in the past two years, and sales were altered, but only by a statisically insignificant quantity. I'll bet if we run the numbers for this year's event, the outcome will be the same or similar: statisically insignificant.
I think the fact that Hulk ganking has become an year-round open sport rather negates the stated effects. Furthermore, I know Helicity wants to believe that (s)he is "teaching" lessons to all us losers, but nobody is "learning" anything they don't already know from these year-round Hulk ganks.
Bottom line from my perspective is that Hulkageddon may have had a point at its incepetion, but now it just adds bounties for killing ORE ships and related industrials when the players are doing this for free+kicks+giggles year-round anyway. Oh, I'm sure it adds ePeen for the "winners" too.
Whatever floatz yur boatz boyz. I have far more fun things to do than gank the wimpiest ships in the game using cookie cutter builds/strategies.
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Wukulo
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
37
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:28:00 -
[41] - Quote
Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again.
How do you figure this is illogical?
-Raise price of hulks -Raise price of the stuff it takes to make hulks, thus raising the price of hulks further -Profit Posted on main because I'm not a coward like the rest of you. |

Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
17
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:34:00 -
[42] - Quote
Kira Kasumi wrote:Hulkageddon seems illogical
Live long and prosper. Vo
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Mugged Yougot
NorCorp Security AAA Citizens
11
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:39:00 -
[43] - Quote
You kind of missed the point. To sum it up: EVE is all about economics. Having people mining in high-sec renders economics from sovereignty less valuable, thus impacting PVP (which is what EVE is about, really..) |

Rekon X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:51:00 -
[44] - Quote
Wukulo wrote:Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again. How do you figure this is illogical? -Raise price of hulks -Raise price of the stuff it takes to make hulks, thus raising the price of hulks further -Profit
No, it raises prices, but not profit. Just takes more to make them.
Oh, yea, you mean in profit for ccp cause they sell more plex. I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all. |

masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
335
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:00:00 -
[45] - Quote
It teaches people to htfu.
'Nuff said. Things are only impossible until they are not. |

J Kunjeh
399
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:25:00 -
[46] - Quote
Nothing about the lulz needs to be logical. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |

J Kunjeh
399
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:26:00 -
[47] - Quote
Oh, and playing Eve is totally illogical...think of all the real life useful things you could be doing instead. Totally illogic. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3418
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 16:49:00 -
[48] - Quote
People don't value miners for the same reason we don't value rats. They're not rare enough. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
327
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 13:49:00 -
[49] - Quote
Urgg Boolean wrote: Bottom line from my perspective is that Hulkageddon may have had a point at its incepetion, but now it just adds bounties for killing ORE ships and related industrials when the players are doing this for free+kicks+giggles year-round anyway. Oh, I'm sure it adds ePeen for the "winners" too.
Whatever floatz yur boatz boyz. I have far more fun things to do than gank the wimpiest ships in the game using cookie cutter builds/strategies.
Sounds like you don't understand that having a contest with prizes is fun.
But I always forget that PVE nerds are all NO FUN ALLOWED. |

oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
567
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 13:57:00 -
[50] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Urgg Boolean wrote: Bottom line from my perspective is that Hulkageddon may have had a point at its incepetion, but now it just adds bounties for killing ORE ships and related industrials when the players are doing this for free+kicks+giggles year-round anyway. Oh, I'm sure it adds ePeen for the "winners" too.
Whatever floatz yur boatz boyz. I have far more fun things to do than gank the wimpiest ships in the game using cookie cutter builds/strategies.
Sounds like you don't understand that having a contest with prizes is fun. But I always forget that PVE nerds are all NO FUN ALLOWED.
And you are all about Fun ofcourse  pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
327
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 14:02:00 -
[51] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:And you are all about Fun ofcourse 
I'm 100% all about fun. In particular my fun, and the fun of those I socialize with.
Specifically, I care absolutely nothing about your fun, anyone that I do not know personally is just a boardpiece in a game.
Anyone that claims differently is deluding themselves.
Do you feel bad when you undercut someone on the market? No? Good. You just PVPed someone in a non-consensual fashion, just like I do when I destroy a ship.
Those who like to claim some moral high ground about space pixels are just giving themselves a mental reach-around. |

oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
567
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 14:04:00 -
[52] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:And you are all about Fun ofcourse  I'm 100% all about fun. In particular my fun, and the fun of those I socialize with. Specifically, I care absolutely nothing about your fun, anyone that I do not know personally is just a boardpiece in a game. Anyone that claims differently is deluding themselves. Do you feel bad when you undercut someone on the market? No? Good. You just PVPed someone in a non-consensual fashion, just like I do when I destroy a ship. Those who like to claim some moral high ground about space pixels are just giving themselves a mental reach-around.
congratz on YOUR type of fun pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
229
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 14:05:00 -
[53] - Quote
Why is HG corp practically DEAD? Can we revive it again? I seem to be the only main active char in it. |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
327
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 14:06:00 -
[54] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
congratz on YOUR type of fun
Don't like non-consensual PVP? Play a different game.
There is absolutely, 100% certainly, no way at all in which you can claim you've not done something in EVE to the detriment of another. It's how the game works in EVERY aspect, from mining to nullsec wars.
The sooner you realize the truth of that, the better it will be for you.
Don't whine, seize the opportunity, GET RICH off my event. That's how you win at EVE.
|

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
327
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 14:07:00 -
[55] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Why is HG corp practically DEAD? Can we revive it again? I seem to be the only main active char in it.
I'm not reactivating the account that has orphanage on it, but you should feel absolutely free to run it if you want, I left you with director right? |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
229
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 14:08:00 -
[56] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Miilla wrote:Why is HG corp practically DEAD? Can we revive it again? I seem to be the only main active char in it. I'm not reactivating the account that has orphanage on it, but you should feel absolutely free to run it if you want, I left you with director right?
Leme check lol
Nope... big red X's on all Roles. ping CCP or a GM to get them to set it. |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
327
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 14:15:00 -
[57] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Miilla wrote:Why is HG corp practically DEAD? Can we revive it again? I seem to be the only main active char in it. I'm not reactivating the account that has orphanage on it, but you should feel absolutely free to run it if you want, I left you with director right? Leme check lol Nope... big red X's on all Roles. ping CCP or a GM to get them to set it.
cool, let me know if they need my OK or anything, I'll happily give it :) |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
229
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 14:17:00 -
[58] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Miilla wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Miilla wrote:Why is HG corp practically DEAD? Can we revive it again? I seem to be the only main active char in it. I'm not reactivating the account that has orphanage on it, but you should feel absolutely free to run it if you want, I left you with director right? Leme check lol Nope... big red X's on all Roles. ping CCP or a GM to get them to set it. cool, let me know if they need my OK or anything, I'll happily give it :)
Thanks, petition opened. |

Whambot
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
22
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 14:50:00 -
[59] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:And you are all about Fun ofcourse  I'm 100% all about fun. In particular my fun, and the fun of those I socialize with. Specifically, I care absolutely nothing about your fun, anyone that I do not know personally is just a boardpiece in a game. Anyone that claims differently is deluding themselves. Do you feel bad when you undercut someone on the market? No? Good. You just PVPed someone in a non-consensual fashion, just like I do when I destroy a ship. Those who like to claim some moral high ground about space pixels are just giving themselves a mental reach-around.
The imagined pixel superiority of elitist low secc PvPers who think doing anything else in a sandbox game is n00b and for carebears it a much better point of view then? Its like democrats vs republicans both sides are filled with evil douchbags, but neither side see themselves that way. |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
327
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 14:57:00 -
[60] - Quote
Whambot wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:And you are all about Fun ofcourse  I'm 100% all about fun. In particular my fun, and the fun of those I socialize with. Specifically, I care absolutely nothing about your fun, anyone that I do not know personally is just a boardpiece in a game. Anyone that claims differently is deluding themselves. Do you feel bad when you undercut someone on the market? No? Good. You just PVPed someone in a non-consensual fashion, just like I do when I destroy a ship. Those who like to claim some moral high ground about space pixels are just giving themselves a mental reach-around. The imagined pixel superiority of elitist low secc PvPers who think doing anything else in a sandbox game is n00b and for carebears it a much better point of view then? Its like democrats vs republicans both sides are filled with evil douchbags, but neither side see themselves that way.
You're dumb and you didn't understand what I wrote, but that is fine.
I don't think carebearing is dumb or bad at all, without them, who would build my ships and weapons?
I do however feel that many carebears have a stick the size of the statue of liberty up their backsides and incorrectly assume an imaginary moral highground, based on the fact they cannot recognize the fact that everything THEY do is ALSO non-consensual pvp.
This is a subtlety of EVE that seems to elude most of them. |

Whitehound
161
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 16:01:00 -
[61] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:... This is a subtlety of EVE that seems to elude most of them. It is lame to tell others what they elude only to make room for your little world. You are eluding the main aspect of MMOs and that it is not just another single-player game. Now you want your view to be understood, which is that it is all just a board game to you... Does this not make you feel terribly stupid or that you are living one hell of a lie? I cannot take you serious. If I picked up your view then I would ask myself why I am talking to pieces of a board game and why I want them to understand me. It shows how bonkers you are. No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
328
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 16:44:00 -
[62] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:... This is a subtlety of EVE that seems to elude most of them. It is lame to tell others what they elude only to make room for your little world. You are eluding the main aspect of MMOs and that it is not just another single-player game. Now you want your view to be understood, which is that it is all just a board game to you... Does this not make you feel terribly stupid or that you are living one hell of a lie? I cannot take you serious. If I picked up your view then I would ask myself why I am talking to pieces of a board game and why I want them to understand me. It shows how bonkers you are.
you misread, it's a board game I play with a team, the people I socialize with. It's a perfectly normal human way of thinking to care most about the people around you, and very little about those you do not know.
It's the core tribal mechanic which raised us up as a species...
I have no reason to see what anybody else does in the game in any other terms than those OF the game. They are pieces on the board, until such a time as I actually get to know them, because before that time there is no person for me to relate to.
|

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
229
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 16:50:00 -
[63] - Quote
BellaDonna Nyghtshade wrote:Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again. You attempt to assign logic to a group and process that don't understand the meaning of the word. The people behind this have no interest in the market; they buy their ships/etc with real life monies in the form of Plex and GTC. They only have a single focus; to ruin the game for as many as possible. Their highest achievement is the rage-quit. They consider this the pinnacle of success. These are no secrets. They have openly bragged as much, and continue to do so at every opportunity. Once they finally manage to kill this game, they, like the invaders portrayed in the movie Independence Day, will simply move on to the next game that catches their attention, rinse and repeat. There is no logic in this, so stop looking for it. The best thing you *CAN* do is to ignore them. Refuse to play the game their way. The greatest feature of EvE is that nobody can really dictate your gameplay; that only happens if you fall for the ruses and traps. Just ignore them.
I pay for my ships through market manipulation and speculation. I can't afford to pay RL money for a plex. I stay subbed through plex, too. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! |

oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
569
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 16:55:00 -
[64] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Whambot wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:And you are all about Fun ofcourse  I'm 100% all about fun. In particular my fun, and the fun of those I socialize with. Specifically, I care absolutely nothing about your fun, anyone that I do not know personally is just a boardpiece in a game. Anyone that claims differently is deluding themselves. Do you feel bad when you undercut someone on the market? No? Good. You just PVPed someone in a non-consensual fashion, just like I do when I destroy a ship. Those who like to claim some moral high ground about space pixels are just giving themselves a mental reach-around. The imagined pixel superiority of elitist low secc PvPers who think doing anything else in a sandbox game is n00b and for carebears it a much better point of view then? Its like democrats vs republicans both sides are filled with evil douchbags, but neither side see themselves that way. You're dumb and you didn't understand what I wrote, but that is fine. I don't think carebear ing is dumb or bad at all, without them, who would build my ships and weapons? I do however feel that many care bears have a stick the size of the statue of liberty up their backsides and incorrectly assume an imaginary moral highground, based on the fact they cannot recognize the fact that everything THEY do is ALSO non-consensual pvp. This is a subtlety of EVE that seems to elude most of them.
Another full of himself toon pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
229
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:00:00 -
[65] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Helicity Boson wrote: You're dumb and you didn't understand what I wrote, but that is fine.
I don't think carebearing is dumb or bad at all, without them, who would build my ships and weapons?
I do however feel that many carebears have a stick the size of the statue of liberty up their backsides and incorrectly assume an imaginary moral highground, based on the fact they cannot recognize the fact that everything THEY do is ALSO non-consensual pvp.
This is a subtlety of EVE that seems to elude most of them.
Another full of himself toon
Another person dismissing an argument outright because they don't agree with it. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! |

Whitehound
161
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:00:00 -
[66] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:you misread, ... No, I read you perfectly fine. No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
229
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:03:00 -
[67] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:you misread, ... No, I read you perfectly fine. It's hard to admit when you're wrong. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! |

Whitehound
161
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:06:00 -
[68] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Helicity Boson wrote: You're dumb and you didn't understand what I wrote, but that is fine.
I don't think carebearing is dumb or bad at all, without them, who would build my ships and weapons?
I do however feel that many carebears have a stick the size of the statue of liberty up their backsides and incorrectly assume an imaginary moral highground, based on the fact they cannot recognize the fact that everything THEY do is ALSO non-consensual pvp.
This is a subtlety of EVE that seems to elude most of them.
Another full of himself toon Another person dismissing an argument outright because they don't agree with it. It is an argument now to say people have a stick up their backside? If so then you can add yourself to the list. No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3422
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:08:00 -
[69] - Quote
You keep using this word. I don't think it means what you think it means...
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
229
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:09:00 -
[70] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Helicity Boson wrote: You're dumb and you didn't understand what I wrote, but that is fine.
I don't think carebearing is dumb or bad at all, without them, who would build my ships and weapons?
I do however feel that many carebears have a stick the size of the statue of liberty up their backsides and incorrectly assume an imaginary moral highground, based on the fact they cannot recognize the fact that everything THEY do is ALSO non-consensual pvp.
This is a subtlety of EVE that seems to elude most of them.
Another full of himself toon Another person dismissing an argument outright because they don't agree with it. It is an argument now to say people have a stick up their backside? If so then you can add yourself to the list.
ITT using a turn of phrase makes a person's arguments invalid. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! |

Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
22
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:10:00 -
[71] - Quote
So many threads and talk about hulkageddon, Jita and so on, that will change nothing. Sometimes I wonder, why waste your time, it's illogical.
...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:12:00 -
[72] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Whitehound wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:you misread, ... No, I read you perfectly fine. It's hard to admit when you're wrong. Confirming that many people on these forums are wrong. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:14:00 -
[73] - Quote
Vangelios wrote:So many threads and talk about hulkageddon, Jita and so on, that will change nothing. Sometimes I wonder, why waste your time, it's illogical. Not really. Some harvest tears or whatnot, others hope one day CCP will make hi sec into a land where there is no danger from people blowing you up without your permission, every whine is a step towards more spank and less gank. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
570
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:17:00 -
[74] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Helicity Boson wrote: You're dumb and you didn't understand what I wrote, but that is fine.
I don't think carebearing is dumb or bad at all, without them, who would build my ships and weapons?
I do however feel that many carebears have a stick the size of the statue of liberty up their backsides and incorrectly assume an imaginary moral highground, based on the fact they cannot recognize the fact that everything THEY do is ALSO non-consensual pvp.
This is a subtlety of EVE that seems to elude most of them.
Another full of himself toon Another person dismissing an argument outright because they don't agree with it.
who says i don,t agree?
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Whitehound
161
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:19:00 -
[75] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:You keep using this word. I don't think it means what you think it means... http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elude
No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
697
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:28:00 -
[76] - Quote
Oh good you can use Google to find a dictionary. |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
230
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:30:00 -
[77] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:Oh good you can use Google to find a dictionary.
I can also insult you in 20 different languages on Google :) |

Whitehound
161
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:37:00 -
[78] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:Oh good you can use Google to find a dictionary. Yes, I can. No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
698
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:39:00 -
[79] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Corina Jarr wrote: Oh good you can use Google to find a dictionary.
I can also insult you in 20 different languages on Google :) Yay for Google! |

Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:39:00 -
[80] - Quote
beep boop what is fun |

Whitehound
161
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:43:00 -
[81] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:Miilla wrote:Corina Jarr wrote: Oh good you can use Google to find a dictionary.
I can also insult you in 20 different languages on Google :) Yay for Google!  Now you show us what you can do. No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
698
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:46:00 -
[82] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Miilla wrote:Corina Jarr wrote: Oh good you can use Google to find a dictionary.
I can also insult you in 20 different languages on Google :) Yay for Google!  Now you show us what you can do. I can type the works of Shakespeare... as long as I have them in front of me.
Oh and semi on topic, Whack-a-Hulk is fun, why does logic matter? |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
231
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 17:51:00 -
[83] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:Whitehound wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Miilla wrote:Corina Jarr wrote: Oh good you can use Google to find a dictionary.
I can also insult you in 20 different languages on Google :) Yay for Google!  Now you show us what you can do. I can type the works of Shakespeare... as long as I have them in front of me. Oh and semi on topic, Whack-a-Hulk is fun, why does logic matter?
Don't forget Gank-A-YankGäó |

Rekon X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 19:05:00 -
[84] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:And you are all about Fun ofcourse  I'm 100% all about fun. In particular my fun, and the fun of those I socialize with. Specifically, I care absolutely nothing about your fun, anyone that I do not know personally is just a boardpiece in a game. Anyone that claims differently is deluding themselves. Do you feel bad when you undercut someone on the market? No? Good. You just PVPed someone in a non-consensual fashion, just like I do when I destroy a ship. Those who like to claim some moral high ground about space pixels are just giving themselves a mental reach-around.
I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all. |

Mark Androcius
34
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 19:11:00 -
[85] - Quote
Hulkageddon is not illogical, it is actually quite the lucky break i was hoping for, assuming that mineral prices will rise like overcooked milk. Yes i am dutch, no i don't do drugs. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 19:20:00 -
[86] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Do you feel bad when you undercut someone on the market? No? Good. You just PVPed someone in a non-consensual fashion, just like I do when I destroy a ship.
Those who like to claim some moral high ground about space pixels are just giving themselves a mental reach-around. 0.01isking excites me. Take THAT you possibly-not-a-manual-repricer ! Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

ovenproofjet
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
47
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 19:22:00 -
[87] - Quote
Frak Logic. Kill Hulks. Problem? |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
232
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 19:24:00 -
[88] - Quote
If you need some cheap hulks, I have some on contract in Rens.
PS: I have also expanded my production lines manned by umpa lumpa's to manufacture cheap Macharial contracts too. |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
424
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 19:33:00 -
[89] - Quote
Mark Androcius wrote:Hulkageddon is not illogical, it is actually quite the lucky break i was hoping for, assuming that mineral prices will rise like overcooked milk.
especially after the Drone poop change as I keep hearing that is "20% of the mineral market" https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |

Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
318
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 19:45:00 -
[90] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:It's very logical. I have been making money off it before it even started.
FYP |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
487
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 19:47:00 -
[91] - Quote
Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again.
Brian Griffin wrote:Can I buy some pot off you?
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |

shackdavid
Halcyon Dayz
2
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 19:58:00 -
[92] - Quote
Destination SkillQueue wrote:The event is also fun for the players taking part in it, which is the entire point of playing a game, so no matter what your views on the rising prices are it makes perfect sense to take part.
For those doing the ganking it is fun, for those been ganked not fun and no it is not pvp.
|

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
232
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 20:06:00 -
[93] - Quote
Ok let me get this right...
You play a game... called Eve online... this game is about the cruelty of space...crime etc... and you complain about crime etc...Why do you play the game?
Reminds me of the idiots that cry they cannot make isk... I ask them what the game is about... crime etc... I ask them if they have done any crime... they oh no no no nono no I won't do that! I am honourable blah blah... well you see. that is why you cannot make any isk...because you are not playing the game as designed! |

Whitehound
162
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 20:16:00 -
[94] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Ok let me get this right... Wrong. It is about how much you fail to grasp the very idea of this game. It is about having fun. No matter how much you post in this thread will not make me believe that you are having fun. No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
232
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 20:16:00 -
[95] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Miilla wrote:Ok let me get this right... Wrong. It is about how much you fail to grasp the very idea of this game. It is about having fun. No matter how much you post in this thread will not make me believe that you are having fun.
Why would I not have fun pew pewing hulks? I now have a gankado fit that can solo alpha TWO hulks at the same time, isn't that FUN? |

Whitehound
162
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:30:00 -
[96] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Why would I not have fun pew pewing hulks? I now have a gankado fit that can solo alpha TWO hulks at the same time, isn't that FUN? I am sure you will have fun doing it just as I am sure a psychopath or a nun can find ways to entertain themselves. It is your attempt to explain it to yourself with rationality and in all seriousness, which tells me that you must be suffering from our comments. Or as we say, no rest for the wicked. No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:31:00 -
[97] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Miilla wrote:Why would I not have fun pew pewing hulks? I now have a gankado fit that can solo alpha TWO hulks at the same time, isn't that FUN? I am sure you will have fun doing it just as I am sure a psychopath or a nun can find ways to entertain themselves. It is your attempt to explain it to yourself with rationality and in all seriousness, which tells me that you must be suffering from our comments. Or as we say, no rest for the wicked. Wow, 4 guns for each hulk? What kind of hulk? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
232
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:42:00 -
[98] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Whitehound wrote:Miilla wrote:Why would I not have fun pew pewing hulks? I now have a gankado fit that can solo alpha TWO hulks at the same time, isn't that FUN? I am sure you will have fun doing it just as I am sure a psychopath or a nun can find ways to entertain themselves. It is your attempt to explain it to yourself with rationality and in all seriousness, which tells me that you must be suffering from our comments. Or as we say, no rest for the wicked. Wow, 4 guns for each hulk? What kind of hulk?
A ganked hulk :) |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
699
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:44:00 -
[99] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Miilla wrote:Ok let me get this right... Wrong. It is about how much you fail to grasp the very idea of this game. It is about having fun. No matter how much you post in this thread will not make me believe that you are having fun. Only a moron goes to a game that has certain features and expects to have fun if they do not like those features.
It's like playing Arkham Asylum and complaining that there is no FPS mode. |

Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
646
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:54:00 -
[100] - Quote
Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again. The players complaining about the overall economy are the ones who comprehend deeper issues than the Hulkageddon folks who don't really care about anything but adrenalin rushes and yucking over their beer. They aren't shooting themselves in the foot as far as they can see, since they're using cheap ships and fits to get their yuks. They'll keep "ganking", calling it a "style of play" when they find it takes too much effort to earn anything in the economy they've created, and call you a crying carebear for noticing its absurdity. It all makes sense somehow, especially if your goal in life is to get drunk, belch and bellow with your buds.
I love people with style. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
437
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:03:00 -
[101] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again. The players complaining about the overall economy are the ones who comprehend deeper issues than the Hulkageddon folks who don't really care about anything but adrenalin rushes and yucking over their beer. They aren't shooting themselves in the foot as far as they can see, since they're using cheap ships and fits to get their yuks. They'll keep "ganking", calling it a "style of play" when they find it takes too much effort to earn anything in the economy they've created, and call you a crying carebear for noticing its absurdity. It all makes sense somehow, especially if your goal in life is to get drunk, belch and bellow with your buds. I love people with style. I thought it was run by market manipulators who sell tornados and catalysts to the one and hulks, macks to the other?
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe
287
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Posted - 2012.04.21 22:09:00 -
[102] - Quote
players have been complaining about the rising price of ships and modules? "DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini |

Praetor Abre-Kai
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.04.23 06:25:00 -
[103] - Quote
Why play eve if you're going to hate on an emergent player driven event? Name me a MMO where an event like this could happen, nothing seeded by CCP just pure player content. I fail to understand why people play Eve but cannot accept the inherent risks involved with the type of environment CCP created. |

Bubanni
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
232
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Posted - 2012.04.23 06:27:00 -
[104] - Quote
Let me try to explain it for you.... it's fun because we think it's fun... you don't need to know anything else |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1579
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Posted - 2012.04.23 06:42:00 -
[105] - Quote
Mining is the cornerstone industry of the EVE economy.
By killing the apathetic and inattentive miners the volume of minerals drops, and the price is forced higher.
The quick witted and attentive miners thrive in a more favorable economy that hasn't existed since the game went live.
Hulkageddon is all about culling the herd and strengthening the economy.
So the next time you see someone gank a hulk that was AFK in a belt, thank the ganker for his service to the community.
You'll be glad you did.  When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3441
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Posted - 2012.04.23 06:51:00 -
[106] - Quote
I have 2 characters who can mine.
The more people who aren't me who become too scared to mine, the more I can make mining (also the relative price of Hulks will probably fall)
Ergo I should do my best to make sure no one who isn't me mines.
Today's logic has been brought to you by the letters H T F & U. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Caellach Marellus
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
517
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:10:00 -
[107] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Ok let me get this right...
You play a game... called Eve online... this game is about the cruelty of space...crime etc... and you complain about crime etc...Why do you play the game?
Reminds me of the idiots that cry they cannot make isk... I ask them what the game is about... crime etc... I ask them if they have done any crime... they oh no no no nono no I won't do that! I am honourable blah blah... well you see. that is why you cannot make any isk...because you are not playing the game as designed!
Funny, I thought this was an open sandbox for people to play a game about internet spaceships and find their own way to succeed. Don't go pigeonholing everyone into "only one way to be succesful" It's possible to be rich and honourable.
Just requires a bit of effort, a touch of dedication and a thicker skin. But hey if you're too easily tempted by easy street... Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |

Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
23
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:20:00 -
[108] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Mining is the cornerstone industry of the EVE economy.
     
um, no, it's not. I'd go so far to say that Incursions are a cornerstone industry. Farming Null Sec Rogue Drones are CURRENTLY a cornerstone industry. Level IVs are a cornerstone industry. Market Manipulations are a cornerstone industry.
This may change post-Escalation, but as it stands now....no, just no. I love mining as much as the next guy, but you're dead wrong.
Long live 100% player-driven gameplay, whether it's the asshats trying to gank harmless rocks, the noble asshats ganking the miners, the crafty asshats that have stocked up on minerals to sell during the 'Geddons, or the noble asshats trying to gank the Geddonites.
Because no matter what you're doing, you're being an asshat to somebody.
- Minding your own business in an NPC corp? You're being an asshat to the guy that wants another number in his Corp attributes.
- Running Level IVs? You're being an asshat to the poor miners that get crappy ISK/hr because of minerals from mission loot (and killing thousands of virtual people that actually fly those ships. Think of their virtual, asshat children, you asshat).
- sitting in station? You're being an asshat to the people who want to gank your ship.
- Interdicting ice and burning down Jita? Asshat to everyone that bothers to mine ice/go to Jita (hint: Dodixie/Amarr are way cooler).
- Posting on a forum thread? Being an asshat to people that have better things to read.
- Playing EVE Online? Being an asshat to yourself when you could be out, I don't know, trying to talk to people IRL.
the key to learning to love EVE is to stop being an asshat and start being a kicking ass hat.
I had some fun links I was going to hyperlink into the last two, but the forums were being an asshat.
http://images.villagehatshop.com/media/200423-ass-hat-LG.jpg http://www.kickinasshats.com/
Confriming I love to say the word asshat. |

Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:24:00 -
[109] - Quote
BEEP BOOP I'm a robot and I can only gauge how fun an activity is through its potential monetary gain BOOP BOOP. |

Whitehound
188
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:47:00 -
[110] - Quote
Praetor Abre-Kai wrote:Why play eve if you're going to hate on an emergent player driven event? Name me a MMO where an event like this could happen, nothing seeded by CCP just pure player content. I fail to understand why people play Eve but cannot accept the inherent risks involved with the type of environment CCP created. Why mine when you are getting ganked for doing it? Name an MMO where this makes sense... The reason why we have Hulkageddon is simply because CCP's ship designs include ships for victims.
Why is it needed to have designated victims in an otherwise good PvP game? Only God knows I guess. Becoming a victim should have an equal opportunity to it and be based on a series of complex choices from which one can learn. Getting into a mining ship or leaving it docked is not much of a choice, leaves little to learn and is not fun.
I can see Hulkageddon as being fun in order to highlight this nonsense, but something tells me that I am pretty much alone with my opinion.
BEEP BOOP HUMP HUMP ...
No more crappy expansions!-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired!" - CEO 'Mr. Nice' Hilmar |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3451
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Posted - 2012.04.23 11:37:00 -
[111] - Quote
People who object to being suicide ganked in hi-sec should move to this nice, safe nullsec I'm always hearing about and mine there. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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