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Aleiceland
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:40:00 -
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Ive got to say I love eve , ive been playing it for a few months now and it never stops to amaze me how well developed the game is . but....theres always a but . It is impossible in the way that this game its concieved to be a peaceful corporation. my corporation its been arround and growing in numbers very well , but we always get molested by griefers corporations who wants to take advantage of newbies like we are. I believe they should be a major change in this game regarding WAR DECLARATION , theres absolutely no control or rules , You will be amazed how many people play this game without the intention to go to war so i think they voice its not bein heard .
It should be some kind of rules regarding this matter and fast .
My corporation has currently arround 50 some members and non of them are pro war , im wondering how many players are arround eve with the same objective. Just having fun and get disconnected from the daily activities , after all its just a game , nothing else.
So , thats what i have to say regarding this matter , If EVE tries to be a Space life simulator , wich i think thats the major aim. CCP should really take in serius considaration this problem. becouse im hearing over and over as a CEO the complains of people who dont want to be involved on wars and talk about abandon the game because of this.
I hope that this its red by any CCP people , and try to work on it so we can all enjoy eve , after all this is not a FPS or a pew pew game and most of the people who plays it , its arround 30 or more years old with families and real life problems , and it is a shame that the only time we have to relax and disconnect from real life its been sabotaged by this useless game mechanics.
I excuse myself for my bad english , not my mother tongue.
Aleiceland CEO THE WARP RATS
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Leaving Eve
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:42:00 -
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Hi, I'm leaving eve.
I'm sure you'll know know how I feel in time. |
Saedis Myst
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Saedis Myst on 30/01/2009 19:51:05 I certanly hope not to feel like you , as I sayed , I love playing this game.
One suggestion i have its simple and i dont think its hard to apply on the game.
Make Corporations unable to declare war to corporations who never declared war to any other corporation.
Cant get simple and effective as that . This is my alt by the way.
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Kirzath
Amarr Sinister Elite
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland after all this is not a FPS or a pew pew game
Yes it is. |
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:55:00 -
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Grief war decs are common. Particularly among newer corps.
Sadly the best way to deal with them is to just turtle up inside a station for a week and bore them to death. It costs them money to war dec and eventually they figure out you are no fun. In the meantime use ALTs in NPC corps to go about doing whatever it is you like in EVE.
If you go out to fight them that generally pleases them. If you do fight be overwhelmingly good so they are dying all the time and your guys never are (bottle them up in a station). They'll leave well enough alone if that is the case. Generally these are 1-2 man corps and you barely ever see them in space anyway. Some will fight though.
If you pay them off you just encourage them so don't.
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Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland Ive got to say I love eve , ive been playing it for a few months now and it never stops to amaze me how well developed the game is .
CAREBEAR ALERT!
Originally by: Aleiceland but....theres always a but . It is impossible in the way that this game its concieved to be a peaceful corporation. my corporation its been arround and growing in numbers very well , but we always get molested by griefers corporations who wants to take advantage of newbies like we are.
CAREBEAR ALERT!
Originally by: Aleiceland I believe they should be a major change in this game regarding WAR DECLARATION , theres absolutely no control or rules ,
CAREBEAR ALERT!
Originally by: Aleiceland You will be amazed how many people play this game without the intention to go to war so i think they voice its not bein heard .
CAREBEAR ALERT!
Originally by: Aleiceland It should be some kind of rules regarding this matter and fast .
CAREBEAR OVERLOAD! STOPPED READING ABOUT HERE...
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Aleiceland
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:09:00 -
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Imperator , i believe you are right , ive been through another war before and we deal with it that way , but it cost us members and money (not been produced) also to us , not to mention fun time . unfortunally the only solution we have now its the one you mentioned.
Scarlet Pimpdaddy , i have no idea what you are saying or trying to say.
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Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy on 30/01/2009 20:12:29
Originally by: Aleiceland
Scarlet Pimpdaddy , i have no idea what you are saying or trying to say.
It is this sort of carebear whining that makes EVE that little bit less fun to play when CCP tries to accommodate for their wishes ('cause let's face it they wanna keep us all happy, or at least most of us). The logical conclusion of an EVE run by carebears is basically an ISK making game where no PvP is done at all. War dec's are a valid part of EVE as nowhere in this dark universe should be safe. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear off the bat. |
kor anon
Amarr The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland Imperator , i believe you are right , ive been through another war before and we deal with it that way , but it cost us members and money (not been produced) also to us , not to mention fun time . unfortunally the only solution we have now its the one you mentioned.
Scarlet Pimpdaddy , i have no idea what you are saying or trying to say.
You say life (space) sim but when do you see overlords in RL that stop people from attacking you. Eve is a PVP centric game, prepared to be attacked. There are no 100% SAFE places, deal with it |
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 30/01/2009 20:16:28
Originally by: Aleiceland Imperator , i believe you are right , ive been through another war before and we deal with it that way , but it cost us members and money (not been produced) also to us , not to mention fun time . unfortunally the only solution we have now its the one you mentioned.
Meh...good riddance to the ones who bail when things get a little annoying. Your corp is stronger with the members that remain and stick it out with you...even if you become a corp of 1 person.
Depending what you do you can get on fine during a war dec. We used to get them but our mains were a production corp. All we needed was deliveries of mats which were easily achieved using ALT haulers in NPC corps. Till the war decs were off we'd just use our ALTs to go do whatever. Not as ideal as your mains of course but relieves the boredom enough to get through a week or two till the war deccer moves on.
In our case they never, ever saw a one of us in space (well...one got me once and a corpmate fought a different one to a stalemate another time but the vast majority of the time they just never saw us at all).
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Aleiceland
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:20:00 -
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Scarlet Pimpdaddy, the idea of a simulator its to have the free will to choose your own path , thats why corporations are here for , nothing else , you achieve what you want and the people you share that belive within the corporation.
If a corporation choose the peace path , why you should think that they only way on eve , its war. , it makes no sens , i dont know how long youve been playing this game , but i certanly can tell you , that youre mistaken.
tolerance and the hability to coexist between war and peace , its what a simulator its about . otherwise , we all go play Call of duty m8.
and i certanly hope you are right about ccp taking hand on this matter and if you dont like it , Call of duty , Space invaders , or whatever other pew pew game you think it fits you the bets.
if you dont learn to coexists , you are not prepared to play eve m8 , i mean no offence with this.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:26:00 -
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Dear OP.....
You consent to PVP the moment you select a character at login. That pvp may come in the form of pewpew, local smack, market pvp, some one stealing your ore, or someone out socially engineering you out of isk and/or assests.
If you dont like that, I suggest you find a different game to play.
Myself I am a "carebear", but I realise at the drop of a hat, my whole world can be turned upside down by any random stranger. You know what, it is that uncertantiy about what might happen next that keeps me in love with this game, and playing religiously. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland It is impossible in the way that this game its concieved to be a peaceful corporation.
No it isn't. Just hire someone else to fight for you. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Aleiceland
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:45:00 -
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Tippia That is still violence. no diff with what i sayed.
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Anferney
Terminal Velocity Inc. Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:45:00 -
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To the OP and people whining about war dec's:
There is a simple solution to your war dec woes. It cures boredom, doesn't cost a lot of isk and will probably make future war deccer's think twice about deccing you. THis solution is to use tech 1 frigates. Fit them cheap and have some fun empire pvp. You will lose a lot of ships. A while lot. But the people deccing you are more than liking using much more expensive ships so even if you kill just 1 of their ships, you have probably cost them more isk than they have cost you. You will get to have fun, the people that war decced you will either regret it or enjoy the fight and have respect for you and so you win either way.
Another option is to hire mercs to attack the war deccer's, but that sounds not nearly as interesting to me. Here it is. Isn't it unique? |
Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:49:00 -
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@ Op: BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Play hello kitty online, or is that too hardcore for you?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland Tippia That is still violence. no diff with what i sayed.
The difference is huge: you don't fight — you just keep doing your thing under the protection of your hired guards.
You want a game without violence? Don't play a PvP game. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Aleiceland
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:52:00 -
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Lothros . grow up m8 , this threath its of general talk , not meaninless comments , if you dont have anything intelligent to say , please , dont post . just read and watch diff opinions regarding the game with people who really understand what this post its about ok? you may learn something .
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland ...thats why corporations are here for , nothing else , you achieve what you want and the people you share that belive within the corporation.
This is where you've made your first mistake. While your Corporation may be peaceful, others may not be, and who says you have the right to impose your will upon them?
You're trying to say that every Corporation should have the option to say "no" to fighting in a war, and that's just not an available solution.
Personally, I believe you're probably really just looking for people to declare war on you, and trying to make us all think you're just a sad little corp of newbies.
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Aleiceland
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:56:00 -
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Tchell Dahhn why do i need to post to get war dec upon , i have eve for that. and if thats the case , this forum has no point then but to serve grifers.
in the other hand , my corporation its a fully running democracy . i do not imposse any rules or regulations , we dont like war , thats all. and we all share that view , otherwiser , you can join any other eve corporation wich supports that . arround 99% of them. we have a more eve-volved way of seen things... thats why my corporation its about.
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Kuar Z'thain
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland Lothros . grow up m8 , this threath its of general talk , not meaninless comments , if you dont have anything intelligent to say , please , dont post . just read and watch diff opinions regarding the game with people who really understand what this post its about ok? you may learn something .
You're the one that posted flamebait on a PvP game's forum.
You Buddhist or something? Those that ignore the fact of war will only be destroyed by it.
Some Mercs you can hire will even join your corp and teach you PvP, so you can stop being scared of it.
But really what I think is:
Quote: Personally, I believe you're probably really just looking for people to declare war on you, and trying to make us all think you're just a sad little corp of newbies.
This.
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Anferney
Terminal Velocity Inc. Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland Tchell Dahhn why do i need to post to get war dec upon , i have eve for that. and if thats the case , this forum has no point then but to serve grifers.
in the other hand , my corporation its a fully running democracy . i do not imposse any rules or regulations , we dont like war , thats all. and we all share that view , otherwiser , you can join any other eve corporation wich supports that . arround 99% of them. we have a more eve-volved way of seen things... thats why my corporation its about.
Your corporation is doomed if it cannot defend itself or find someone to defend them. Think of it not as corporations but as nations. If a defenseless nation with no one willing to defend it is surrounded by nations that can defend themselves and can attack each other. What do you think will happen tot he defenseless nation that even refuses to fight for its territory? It will get eaten alive. Your corp is not demonstrating a more "eve-volved way," but a very idiotic way. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland
we have a more eve-volved way of seen things... thats why my corporation its about.
You keep saying how you are playing EVE the correct way and others are not.
I don't think you get EVE. Trying reading the FAQ sometime. |
Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:05:00 -
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I suggest to the OP that the answer is to understand what your wants, and deny it to them.
Empire griefer corps seek out other corps that offer an abundance of easy targets, so that they can pad their killboard and validate their e-peen. Your task is to deny them their chosen method of enjoying EVE, much as their are seeking to deny you your chosen method of enjoying EVE.
One way to do this is to fight back, either personally or by mercenary proxy, as suggested by others. This only works if you do so decisively, though. They are simply looking for fights, so if you fight them and lose ships, they win. You need to beat them down decisively and in a manner that is not in the slightest amusing to them; blob them, gank them, never give them easy targets that aren't bait for a blob ever. Of course, this doesn't work well with your goal to be peaceful.
Another option is to simply not fight them. Always watch local like a hawk, and if you see them in local, dock (or cloak) immediately. If you need to travel somewhere, fly stabbed frigates (better yet, interceptors). If you need to move a larger ship, mount stabs (note that with hictors, this is still not entirely safe), and fly a scout (stabbed frigate) ahead of the ship to check on the safety of gates. Instead of logging off, leave your character logged in at a station. Try to log on as early a possible after DT and leave yourself logged in all day.
Either of these options will generate truly gargantuan amounts of smack in local; ignore it and continue on your task. This is very important: don't respond to their inevitable smack in kind. At the very least, remain calm and respond little; better yet don't respond at all. Smack is an expression of frustration. Hearing it from them means you are doing your job well. Giving it to them encourages their e-peen and makes the war last longer.
None of this really very fun, by the way; at best it's satisfying knowing that you are annoying them as much as they are annoying you. Eventually, you are likely to come to the conclusion that your corporation has grown to the point that not only you have the skills and assets to take on the latest griefer corp, but your corp wants to take them on. Dealing with griefers on their own terms becomes more entertaining then.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland If EVE tries to be a Space life simulator , wich i think thats the major aim. CCP should really take in serius considaration this problem. becouse im hearing over and over as a CEO the complains of people who dont want to be involved on wars and talk about abandon the game because of this.
If I read correctly, you seem to believe that EvE is a "space life simulator", and as such, I have to ask you - how many space movies or TV shows have you ever watched that do not have some type of conflict between those who inhabit said space?
Star Trek, Star Wars (hmm!), Babylon 5, Firefly/Serenity, Space 1999... Every single one of these shows had some degree of conflict, and to strip that from a game such as EvE would be wrong, and would go against what I think you're trying to say.
Believe me - when I first started my Corporation, I wasn't interested in other Corporations declaring war on us, because I hated the thought of losing Members.
I quickly accepted that it's a way of life, and a major part of the game. You evolve, you learn, you play, and you accept what you have here. If it's not working out, then perhaps this game isn't what you're looking for, after all.
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Schani Kratnorr
x13
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:20:00 -
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Solutions Fight back. Buy a dozen T1 ships (frigates will do,) gather your members every night and go out hunting.
Hire mercenaries. Some are quite cheap, others might even agree to help you for free.
Relocate. EVE is a large place. Using jump-clones it is easy to maintain more than one "place of business." If you move away temporarily, odds are that any casual agressor will give up wthin a week or two.
Disband. Shut down your corporation, move the assets to a new corporation. Please keep in mind, that repeatedly doing so is arguably a violation of "the rules."
Join an alliance. When a corporation joins an alliance, any current wars are subject to change (they have to be re-declare vs. the alliance instead.) You also ain the protection of a larger entity.
Conclusion As someone who has played since the game came out, I have seen around a thousand posts of this type. The advice people give is always the same. EVE is a harsh place. You must stand and fight. There are no safe zones, no places of harmony and tranquil peace. Undocking inevitably results in conflict and death.
All successful crporations have one thing in common - they know how to protect themselves.
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Soporo
Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:21:00 -
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Peacefull corps can thrive and have few worries, as long as they have isk (to hire mercs), know wardec mechanics, and arent stupid (dont haul, mine, or mission during wartime, period).
War decs, from what I understand, get more expensive depending on the amount of decs the target corp has on it. Use your imagination and figure out an easy way to raise the cost of anyone else deccing your corp. Cheesy I know but hey, so is deccing n00bs and rookies.
Beyond that, get everyone to roll up a trial account or play on alts for a week. Create and Invite everyone to a channel so you can chat, and have fun. Other alternative is to corp jump until they get tired of it (not recommended).
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Hana Lena
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland Ive got to say I love eve , ive been playing it for a few months now and it never stops to amaze me how well developed the game is . but....theres always a but . It is impossible in the way that this game its concieved to be a peaceful corporation. my corporation its been arround and growing in numbers very well , but we always get molested by griefers corporations who wants to take advantage of newbies like we are. I believe they should be a major change in this game regarding WAR DECLARATION , theres absolutely no control or rules , You will be amazed how many people play this game without the intention to go to war so i think they voice its not bein heard .
It should be some kind of rules regarding this matter and fast .
My corporation has currently arround 50 some members and non of them are pro war , im wondering how many players are arround eve with the same objective. Just having fun and get disconnected from the daily activities , after all its just a game , nothing else.
So , thats what i have to say regarding this matter , If EVE tries to be a Space life simulator , wich i think thats the major aim. CCP should really take in serius considaration this problem. becouse im hearing over and over as a CEO the complains of people who dont want to be involved on wars and talk about abandon the game because of this.
I hope that this its red by any CCP people , and try to work on it so we can all enjoy eve , after all this is not a FPS or a pew pew game and most of the people who plays it , its arround 30 or more years old with families and real life problems , and it is a shame that the only time we have to relax and disconnect from real life its been sabotaged by this useless game mechanics.
I excuse myself for my bad english , not my mother tongue.
Aleiceland CEO THE WARP RATS
Look mate this here theres no way aroud it there are people out there that just want to KILL YOU for one (and or more) reasons like killing you and including but not limited to killing you. the only thing I can sugest is to disband your corp hide in NPC corps and use the same chat channel.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ADHD + Dyslexia = BAD SPELLING!
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:27:00 -
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this is a pvp game and there are only but a few simple rules which will stead you through you eve life here
1. never trust anyone
2. adapt
you are being attacked so adapt and learn
This week EvE Life: Fleet fighting blog is now available
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Apoctasy
Young Enterprise Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:30:00 -
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Wardecs are working as intended. With 50 people in your corp you've got three options:
A.) Pool money and hire mercenaries in your defense.
B.) Hide/run until your wardec is over. Bore them to death.
C.) Disband.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Apoctasy Wardecs are working as intended. With 50 people in your corp you've got three options:
A.) Pool money and hire mercenaries in your defense.
B.) Hide/run until your wardec is over. Bore them to death.
C.) Disband.
or d get some cheap frigs and have a go, you never know you might like it
This week EvE Life: Fleet fighting blog is now available
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Camilo Cienfuegos
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:42:00 -
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To answer the fundamental question here:
- No, it is not possible to be an entirely peaceful corporation in the eve universe.
- Yes, that is an intended feature of the game's design.
Eve is and always has been built on the basis of non consensual PVP in all it's glorious forms, and it's this that makes it stand alone amongst the MMOG community. To suggest changing the game to turn the motivation of an individual or group of individuals away from and equation of profit & cost is as blasphemous a thing to say as "sharding" the eve cluster into realms or adding in consensual PVP "dueling" arenas or any of the other hair-brained ideas that frequently find their way to the forums.
Had you come to the forums suggesting that perhaps a mechanic should be put in place to allow you to bribe Concord into declaring the war void and thus enacting an ever escalating chain of increased cost to keep a war active, then you would probably have received a slightly more reasoned responses from the forum residency. Looking for CCP to fix a problem for you is not the EvE way, and will only bring derision down upon you. Either find a way to work around the disruption that these corporations attacking you cause, or send your stuff to me on contract and cancel your subscription.
Kindest Regards, Camilo Cienfuegos One client: Three Screens! |
Golan Cinquanteneuf
Gallente Carthage.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos To answer the fundamental question here:
- No, it is not possible to be an entirely peaceful corporation in the eve universe.
- Yes, that is an intended feature of the game's design.
Eve is and always has been built on the basis of non consensual PVP in all it's glorious forms, and it's this that makes it stand alone amongst the MMOG community. To suggest changing the game to turn the motivation of an individual or group of individuals away from and equation of profit & cost is as blasphemous a thing to say as "sharding" the eve cluster into realms or adding in consensual PVP "dueling" arenas or any of the other hair-brained ideas that frequently find their way to the forums.
Had you come to the forums suggesting that perhaps a mechanic should be put in place to allow you to bribe Concord into declaring the war void and thus enacting an ever escalating chain of increased cost to keep a war active, then you would probably have received a slightly more reasoned responses from the forum residency. Looking for CCP to fix a problem for you is not the EvE way, and will only bring derision down upon you. Either find a way to work around the disruption that these corporations attacking you cause, or send your stuff to me on contract and cancel your subscription.
Kindest Regards, Camilo Cienfuegos
This! But don't send your stuff to Camilo. Send it to me.
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Aleiceland
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:51:00 -
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Kuar Z'thain, first of all my religion has nothing to do with eve , i think we all agree on that , and for your information , im part of one of the most violent religions arround earth , Roman Catholic Church my friend. so let keep the religon out of this , couse its not the case. flamebait, this is a discussion forum , im sure your ALLIANCE , has many other targets more intresting to shoot at , i do not belive BoB to be griefers , unless im mistaken. hopefuly not. :)
Vaal Erit , im here for the second time in months , trying to understand what other people think about eve , thats the idea of the forum , not to tell them how they should play eve , we all play eve the way we want it , thats what this thread its about , to learn , understand and try to improve the game and also let others play the way the want eve , not just the way the majority want you to play . :) as mention as Becq Starforged griefers act on eve , they do ruin the game experience for all. and not only peaceful corporations as mine are againts greifers , also pvpers ones. we can all agree on that. ( they may be a few exceptions )
Tchell Dahhn , i think you are right , most known space movies or whatever involved armed conflicts , i do tho , think that on eve , you can have the choice to pick your way , i have no problem with corporations wars killing eachother , as long as they dont come my way. or at least have some kind rules regarding war , couse they arent any . anyone can declare war to another one without any couse or messure and that is not very realisitc or fair to the game itself if you can see it . guidelines should be setted for war decs . im not saying eliminate wars from eve , couse no one will play the game anymore . :)
And i really hope this thread dont couse any damage to my people of my corporation , otheswise it will be proven that its a sick world and the right of speech will be abolish if thats the case. and this forums should be shut down or at least a warning should be given from CCP to new players as me regarding posting on a forum. like dont post youll get war dec . :)
we do believe in a no war eve universe , and thats something we like to think about , offcourse you have to think outside the box to understand it . not just to follow the rules of PVP just becouse your playing eveonline. try to make a difrence with your corporation thats the ideal of any ceo (and if not , you shouldnt be one ) , otherwise , join a pvp corporation and have fun shooting newbies and war enemies folowing orders. But i will never let myself think that violence its the only way , on eve or whatever , theres always a choice , its up to you to understand the diffrence or not. or do something about it , and if we are doomed , we will see in a few years from now on how it turned out , but in the mean time , we will have fun and try to do the impossible. otherwise , no point on playing .
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Baby Dawl
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Posted - 2009.01.30 22:51:00 -
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1. Creating a safety net for carebear corporations would be illogical. First of all, what is carebearism? -Mining -Manufacturing -Research & etc.
What do all these activities lead to? Ultimately, providing pvp ships into pvpers hands. I cant believe that anyone in Eve simply carebears to see minerals stock up in their hangars for no reason.
Therefore, carebears, however indirectly, partake and involve themselves in pvp and Eve politics one way or the other, whether by providing pvp tools on a market, or inventing tech 2 bpcs so others can provide pvp tools on the market...etc.
This being said, would it be fair to protect such people?
2ndly, protecting Carebear corporations would destroy many other Eve mechanics. The rich would get richer and where would that isk go? To large pvp alliances. Suddenly, large alliances can do what they want in empire without fear of being decced. They can build titans and moms, without any hindrance. They would need no stealth, no secrecy, no tactics, no planning. They could simply do what they want.
After all, pvpers carebear also, and until CCP can go into peoples heads and understand every motive...protection of the 'innocent' would include protection of the 'deviant'.
EVE IS A PVP ORIENTED GAME. Yes, there are other aspects to the game, and many players who dont consider themselves to be pvpers. Ultimately, however, even the most innocent carebear indirectly supports a pirate somewhere somehow.
CCP seems to be trying hard to keep things balanced, so that PVPers, PVEers, etc. can find a place to fit in. Personally, I think it would be insanely fun if everything was 0.0, all stations were player built, and that everything was player based. Imagine the different facets that would emerge!
Just the player based selling of skillbooks, etc. Wouldn't that even the playing odds a bit? If it wasn't as easy to get some skills at all...would even the playing field significantly between younger and older players. Everyone wouldn't be in a cap ship at 15mil sp, and corporations that offer skillbooks to their members would have a significant advantage. Plus an entire game mechanic would need to be created to "start" this...just like researching or inventing bpcs. Some high sp players would have significant advantage, while others wouldn't...same with younger sp players...
At the least, it would be more fun if Empire was smaller, and 0.0 was larger...
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Kuar Z'thain
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.30 23:02:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Aleiceland But i will never let myself think that violence its the only way , on eve or whatever , theres always a choice , its up to you to understand the diffrence or not. or do something about it , and if we are doomed , we will see in a few years from now on how it turned out , but in the mean time , we will have fun and try to do the impossible. otherwise , no point on playing .
Here is the problem I see: You are playing this game with other people. Eve boils people down to their true nature, and what you are left with when the water is gone sure isn't pretty.
Eve is a sandbox, a place that lets people do whatever they want. Unfortunately, some people want to screw with what you are doing just because they can.
There is already a mechanic in-place to prevent war-decs: NPC corps. If you think this isn't sufficient, you need to suggest something. Suggesting simply that CCP 'take a look at it' is going to get you flamed. |
Sythyss
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2009.01.30 23:18:00 -
[37]
OP is crazy.
that is all. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.30 23:32:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Aleiceland And i really hope this thread dont couse any damage to my people of my corporation , otheswise it will be proven that its a sick world and the right of speech will be abolish if thats the case
I am offering to pay war dec fees for anyone to wardec this fool's corp so we can finally abolish free speech. Didn't want it anyway.
Originally by: Aleiceland and im not here complaining about the war or something like that
Quick, to the backpedal-mobile! If you aren't whining, then why are you posting a whine on EVE-O and not fighting off these "griefers"? --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr
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Posted - 2009.01.30 23:56:00 -
[39]
It sounds as though you are inserting your real life values into a game. A bloody game ffs. Would you prefer that we only be allowed to fly around and sprinkle seeds on planets and moons and watch pretty flowers grow, get along in perfect harmony, and share a Coke? Pfft! It doesn't work that way in r/l either. You throw down your arms to demonstrate your love for peace and someone with guns will still come kill you (in game).
It's just a game. You have options if you get war dec'd, as mentioned. Stay hold up and hide, fight, cave in to surrender demands, etc... Stand up and grow a set and hand the war declarer their arse. Or make them work for handing you yours at least.
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Constance Harme
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Posted - 2009.01.30 23:57:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Saedis Myst
Make Corporations unable to declare war to corporations who never declared war to any other corporation.
That is a terrible idea.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2009.01.30 23:58:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 30/01/2009 23:59:13 I'm disappointed that after going to the effort of answering your questions in a civil manner and giving you a nudge in the right direction, that you still do not "get" the universe into which you have stepped.
Quote: But i will never let myself think that violence its the only way
Violence is not the only way, but just like in the real world it is a fact of our existence. People will murder, ****, pillage and do all sort of cruel and unusual things to each other and accepting this fact is paramount to your accepting your role not only in the Eve universe, but in the real world too. Your posts worry me, as I can't help but feel not only do you not "get" Eve, but you really don't "get" the world around you either.
You mentioned thinking outside of the box. You mentioned not wanting to partake of violence. Put these two together along with the mechanics of the Eve universe and are you seriously trying to tell us that you cannot think of any way to resolve the situation that you are in? I'll give you a hint: It's the cornerstone of civilization, and has existed in the real world for thousands of years. It is the direct successor to the barter system and is designed to allow anything and everything to be traded.
If you can grasp that principle, you can figure out how to resolve your current situation without getting your own hands "bloody".
Quote: I am offering to pay war dec fees for anyone to wardec this fool's corp so we can finally abolish free speech. Didn't want it anyway.
I expect that those fees would be quite high by now. I would offer to join this crusade, but alas my crimes leave me out of high sec space. One client: Three Screens! |
OffBeaT
Caldari KaMiKaZes
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Posted - 2009.01.31 00:35:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Aleiceland Imperator , i believe you are right , ive been through another war before and we deal with it that way , but it cost us members and money (not been produced) also to us , not to mention fun time . unfortunally the only solution we have now its the one you mentioned.
Scarlet Pimpdaddy , i have no idea what you are saying or trying to say.
then you ask players like me who love hunting in empire to watch your back while you do your biz.. then i will hang around your crew.. all i wont is ships to fight in isk to pay for the insurance..
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.31 00:37:00 -
[43]
Wardecs are sure broken:
Avoidable Not Extendible to single Characters Avoidable Costy versus Alliances Avoidable Avoidable -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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OffBeaT
Caldari KaMiKaZes
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Posted - 2009.01.31 00:42:00 -
[44]
yea, i kinda find this guy funny i wont the right as a corp to war on alliances in empire as a corp so i can hunt these pussies out of there space while blending in better AWAY FROM ALLI SPACE without blobs and this guy wont's a free pass in eve to get rich with no risk or loss to it..
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Apoctasy
Young Enterprise Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 01:15:00 -
[45]
Oh another point I missed last time.
Simply by posting here you've drawn attention to yourself. Post with an alt.
Expect multiple wardecs from various people on top of your current problem. |
SULAN BARHIR
Gallente United League of Independents
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Posted - 2009.01.31 01:43:00 -
[46]
The last time I checked, EVE was INTENTIONALY MADE TO BE A PVP ARENA. If members of your corp don't want to deal with everything that comes with it, the reality is that they don't belong in EVE.
What's the sense in complaining about the icing in the cake; that's the best part of it. |
Aleiceland
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Posted - 2009.01.31 01:48:00 -
[47]
ive learned a hard lesson today . this forums are pointless. and useless as a costumer , im highly dissapointed.
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Apoctasy
Young Enterprise Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 01:58:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Aleiceland ive learned a hard lesson today . this forums are pointless. and useless as a costumer , im highly dissapointed.
Bye o/ |
Suboran
Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.01.31 01:58:00 -
[49]
eve is a pvp game |
SULAN BARHIR
Gallente United League of Independents
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Posted - 2009.01.31 02:01:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Aleiceland Edited by: Aleiceland on 30/01/2009 22:00:51 Kuar Z'thain, first of all my religion has nothing to do with eve , i think we all agree on that , and for your information , im part of one of the most violent religions arround earth , Roman Catholic Church my friend. so let keep the religon out of this , couse its not the case. flamebait, this is a discussion forum , im sure your ALLIANCE , has many other targets more intresting to shoot at , i do not belive BoB to be griefers , unless im mistaken. hopefuly not. :)
Vaal Erit , im here for the second time in months , trying to understand what other people think about eve , thats the idea of the forum , not to tell them how they should play eve , we all play eve the way we want it , thats what this thread its about , to learn , understand and try to improve the game and also let others play the way the want eve , not just the way the majority want you to play . :) as mention as Becq Starforged griefers act on eve , they do ruin the game experience for all. and not only peaceful corporations as mine are againts greifers , also pvpers ones. we can all agree on that. ( they may be a few exceptions )
Tchell Dahhn , i think you are right , most known space movies or whatever involved armed conflicts , i do tho , think that on eve , you can have the choice to pick your way , i have no problem with corporations wars killing eachother , as long as they dont come my way. or at least have some kind rules regarding war , couse they arent any . anyone can declare war to another one without any couse or messure and that is not very realisitc or fair to the game itself if you can see it . guidelines should be setted for war decs . im not saying eliminate wars from eve , couse no one will play the game anymore . :)
And i really hope this thread dont couse any damage to my people of my corporation , otheswise it will be proven that its a sick world and the right of speech will be abolish if thats the case. and this forums should be shut down or at least a warning should be given from CCP to new players as me regarding posting on a forum. like dont post youll get war dec . :)
we do believe in a no war eve universe , and thats something we like to think about , offcourse you have to think outside the box to understand it . not just to follow the rules of PVP just becouse your playing eveonline. try to make a difrence with your corporation thats the ideal of any ceo (and if not , you shouldnt be one ) , otherwise , join a pvp corporation and have fun shooting newbies and war enemies folowing orders. But i will never let myself think that violence its the only way , on eve or whatever , theres always a choice , its up to you to understand the diffrence or not. or do something about it , and if we are doomed , we will see in a few years from now on how it turned out , but in the mean time , we will have fun and try to do the impossible. otherwise , no point on playing . and im not here complaining about the war or something like that , what happens on eve stays on eve , this forum its to give your idea or opinion , nothing else , i do not need war tips about how to handle this kind of situation , couse i already know how to , im just giving my opinion regarding war dec , thats all.
My friend, I think you are missing the point of EVE. EVE is supposed to be a sandbox games for EVERY KIND OF PLAYER, peaceful or hostile.
Are you declaring that the game is unplayable to you because you are a different kind of player? Are you giving up trying to find a solution to your "problem" ? I think so, because you want CCP to change the rules.
The point of EVE is to find your own way through it all.
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Sythyss
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2009.01.31 02:11:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Aleiceland ive learned a hard lesson today . this forums are pointless. and useless as a costumer , im highly dissapointed.
hahahaha, wow. great stuff man.
"as a customer"...hahahahaha
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Gonada
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.31 03:14:00 -
[52]
actually you would have learned a great point:
the denziens of EVE do not want the game dumbed down. nor turned into a carebear death-free game such as the one you came from and now will hopefully go back to.
Please, jump into traffic
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess
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Posted - 2009.01.31 03:29:00 -
[53]
OP GB2WoW enjoy another dec |
Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.31 03:42:00 -
[54]
9/10.
You ALLLLMOST got me to reply to this in a very nasty and mean way... |
Space Pinata
Amarr Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.31 05:51:00 -
[55]
I can see it now.
First guy> Hey, lets go invade poland. Other guy> No, we can't, Poland doesn't want to play. First guy> Oh... they don't want to go to war, we can't do anything to them.
It makes perfect sense for the defending party in a war to pick the terms. |
Malakai0
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.01.31 06:05:00 -
[56]
Competition brings out the best in people, and self-interest rules all. Embrace the chaos!
IRL and in Eve =) |
Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 06:56:00 -
[57]
You see the thing is all your actions are affecting others, all the stuff you produce all the rigs you make all the LP you convert to isk and all the salvage you sell even the offices your corp rents affects other corps and you claim that another corp should not have the rights to affect your corp in a manner of their own choosing IE by pew pew?
If your actions affect others expect other peoples actions to affect you. |
spinarax
Privateers
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Posted - 2009.01.31 11:29:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Blastil 9/10.
You ALLLLMOST got me to reply to this in a very nasty and mean way...
SPOILER: OP is a CEO of a pvp corp and just trolling to **** ppl off so he could get free war decs. 9/10 indeed |
cpt Mark
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Posted - 2009.01.31 12:13:00 -
[59]
Edited by: cpt Mark on 31/01/2009 12:13:51 I respect you don't want to fight other players, and your right this game is just for enjoyment when you want to chill out and take a break from real life responsibilities.
However, I might be biased as a miltia pilot - who has pvped since birth!, and I must say, if there were rules on war declarations, there might not actually be any wars, since two even sides never declare war on each other - because war is only declared when you are likely to win.
EDIT: why don't you recruit some PvPers?
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Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.31 12:59:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Aleiceland ive learned a hard lesson today . this forums are pointless. and useless as a costumer , im highly dissapointed.
You're a costumer? Done the wardrobe for any movies we might know of?
Also, the forums aren't pointless, your arguments are just horribly flawed. You've repeatedly said that people should be allowed to play EVE however they want to play it.
Problem with a completely open-ended universe is that, most of the time, this means you're gonna have to deal with people that don't want to play it the same way as you. And their choices may impact upon yours.
Because of this, we have your predicament. Don't come on the forums of a completely open-ended game (the part you say you love about it) where people can do as they wish and then get annoyed and upset because they don't agree with you.
'Tis an immature and very limited viewpoint. |
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Keopa
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Posted - 2009.01.31 13:00:00 -
[61]
Hello Aleiceland,
If you enjoy what you have experienced in the game so far, don't give up.
Co-habitation does not mean peace, it just means that peoples actions have an affect on others. Most people enjoy this game because almost anything can happen. Your also free to try and come up with new solutions to problems that other people have not thought of yet. That can be fun unto itself. |
Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.31 13:00:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Aleiceland and im not here complaining about the war or something like that , what happens on eve stays on eve , this forum its to give your idea or opinion , nothing else , i do not need war tips about how to handle this kind of situation , couse i already know how to , im just giving my opinion regarding war dec , thats all.
No you weren't, you asked in the OP to have some rules and game mechanics changed. |
Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2009.01.31 13:01:00 -
[63]
Troll thread success rating: 9/10
please continue to answer the OP while he laughs at you. |
ISHKUR MASTER
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.31 13:53:00 -
[64]
You have been Trolled.
Also I like this comment http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=971872&page=1#30
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 13:56:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Saedis Myst Edited by: Saedis Myst on 30/01/2009 19:51:05 I certanly hope not to feel like you , as I sayed , I love playing this game.
One suggestion i have its simple and i dont think its hard to apply on the game.
Make Corporations unable to declare war to corporations who never declared war to any other corporation.
Cant get simple and effective as that . This is my alt by the way.
Accept that this is a sandbox PvP game, and that you'll have to work for your own safety rather than simply demanding that the devs protect you.
Simple as that. |
Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:18:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Aleiceland Scarlet Pimpdaddy, the idea of a simulator its to have the free will to choose your own path , thats why corporations are here for , nothing else , you achieve what you want and the people you share that belive within the corporation.
If a corporation choose the peace path , why you should think that they only way on eve , its war. , it makes no sens , i dont know how long youve been playing this game , but i certanly can tell you , that youre mistaken.
tolerance and the hability to coexist between war and peace , its what a simulator its about . otherwise , we all go play Call of duty m8.
and i certanly hope you are right about ccp taking hand on this matter and if you dont like it , Call of duty , Space invaders , or whatever other pew pew game you think it fits you the bets.
if you dont learn to coexists , you are not prepared to play eve m8 , i mean no offence with this.
Well to start with corporations are an invention to promote the social aspect of an MMO, nothing else. EVE is about war, listen to any interview with a CCP employee (game designers etc) and they will say the same thing. I think that the problem lies with carebears and not PvPers as they have entered a hostile world where they don't want any risk.
Oh and by the way, I do play COD, I play many games. May I suggest Hello Kitty for yourself? Seems to be more your playing style. |
Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:36:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Aleiceland ive learned a hard lesson today . this forums are pointless. and useless as a costumer , im highly dissapointed.
Wow, I been looking at your past posts and I have to say... CONGRATULATIONS!!!! YOU HAVE WON THE WHINGER OF THE MONTH AWARD!!!!
Please report to the designated null-sec system to receive your prize. |
Wameiri Rahai
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:52:00 -
[68]
Man this bear is more active than the one at the zoo. who ate my pourage? rawr
Why are you in a player corp complaining about being war dec'ed?
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Ehn Roh
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Posted - 2009.02.01 23:41:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Ehn Roh on 01/02/2009 23:42:29
Originally by: Aleiceland You will be amazed how many people play this game without the intention to go to war so i think they voice its not bein heard .
No, no I will not be amazed, because I will NEVER be amazed at the numbers of people who sign up for PvP games, or PvP servers, and then expect to be able to play PvE unmolested ... and then ***** on the forums when someone kills them.
You say EVE is not a "pew pew" game - there, you are just plain wrong. That statement is simply ridiculous.
You say EVE aims to be a "space life simulator". Fair enough. And I'm willing to bet you're probably a sheep in real life, as well, whose very continued existence is only due to the fact that you have other people around you to take on the hard work of keeping the wolves at bay. Grow up.
If you don't want to be an easy target because you're a corp full of noobs... THEN DON'T FORM A CORP FULL OF FLAMING NOOBS. Go fly with people who know what they're doing until you've learned to stick up for yourself, rather than coming here and crying for CCP to Make The Bad Men Go Away.
I'm sick of dealing with sheep in real life, and I'm sick of dealing with them in EVE; luckily, I can shoot at the sheep in EVE. |
Jernau Riggs
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Posted - 2009.02.01 23:59:00 -
[70]
You have to understand the peaceful corps are needed as cannon foder for the pvp corps.
If ccp made it so that you could make corps that could not be war decked then yea maybe you might get more people playing and allot more non fighting corps. But this would have the effect of making all the pvp players leave the game and that would ruin the economy.
If peoples ships and fitting are not been blowen up then no one is buying new ships and fittings putting the industrials out of business, then putting the miners out of business.
In other words the game needs both players to actually work.
If you really don't like it you can all just go back to npc corp and create a private channel for your members until your ready to take the grifers on or join a larger alliance
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Morsus Argent
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Posted - 2009.02.02 00:23:00 -
[71]
The thing is, there is a kernel of truth in the OP's complaint, in that in a sense war decs actually are quite silly.
CONCORD: Unless they're criminals, you can't attack other ships in high security space, or we'll blow you up. Well, unless your corp formally declared you wanted to attack them in advance and paid a fee. In which case, go nuts.
It's like the police saying they'll take action if you're attacked, unless some other company declared war on the company you work for, in which case you can be beaten up walking down the street by some random stranger you've never met and they won't do anything.
So I can see why some people might object to it.
But there really isn't any other easy way to handle it. EVE isn't like the high street, it's more like the wild west, and there's a need for corporations to be able to respond to other corporations that are interfering with their interests.
The only way to refine it really, would be to require a wardec to have a reason. But that'd be quite tricky technically - you'd have to log flags, kill rights, etc., then they'd have to be transferrable (e.g. to hire mercs). It might be do-able, but even then, requiring every wardec to have a in-game technical reason would be extremely limiting.
So you basically have to lump it. It's a necessary evil.
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Thong Gnome
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Posted - 2009.02.02 04:50:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Thong Gnome on 02/02/2009 04:50:05
what pvp? only pvp I see going on is alot noobs can baiting and a few 0.0 and low sec gate pewpew and some rare pos action.
EVE Online PVP is lackluster |
Anile8er
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2009.02.02 05:02:00 -
[73]
1. I would like to say......"Flamed"
2. I would like to say that we here at SSDC fully understand your concerns and don't care.
3. I would like to ask where do you base out of cause once our current string of wardecs are done we might be looking for new ones.
4. I would like to say there are various programs online and at local colleges that can assist you with general spelling and word processing. |
Rex Lashar
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.02 06:09:00 -
[74]
protip to the OP:
There is already protection from war, its called NPC corporations.
Go join one if its that important to you, just don't start dumb threads where you think you're somehow entitled to run a 50 man corporation without interference.
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Par'Gellen
Gallente Tres Hombres Psychiatric Hospital
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Posted - 2009.02.02 13:41:00 -
[75]
100% agree with OP.
Any system that effectively allows one group of players to force another group of players to stop playing the game for any amount of time is broken on the most basic level.
Unfortunately it's been this way since the beginning and I believe the devs have decided this is one of those "It's always been broken. Why fix it now?" kind of things... |
Anferney
Black Sands
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Posted - 2009.02.02 14:11:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Par'Gellen Any system that effectively allows one group of players to force another group of players to stop playing the game for any amount of time is broken on the most basic level.
How does a war dec force people to stop playing the game? I have fought in every war dec I have ever had and had a whole lot of fun doing so. Even if you are a miner and have never pvp'd before, if you keep getting decced it is probably a good idea to try it so that you can defend yourself. If you don't want decs, sit in the NPC corps where you won't have to deal to them.
Originally by: Par'Gellen Unfortunately it's been this way since the beginning and I believe the devs have decided this is one of those "It's always been broken. Why fix it now?" kind of things...
Saying that it is broken implies that it is not an intended feature when all evidence points to it being an intended feature. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.02 14:23:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Par'Gellen Any system that effectively allows one group of players to force another group of players to stop playing the game for any amount of time is broken on the most basic level.
Absolutely. Fortunately, the wardec system in EVE doesn't do this. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Takon Orlani
Caldari Rowdy Ramblers
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Posted - 2009.02.02 14:26:00 -
[78]
New war target located, running locator on Aleiceland
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Elisabeth Dakar
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Posted - 2009.02.02 14:55:00 -
[79]
I have the solution!
We could double the world so we have two. One will stay like the current eve. U can attack and kill people there and do other nasty stuff. This we will call Felucca. In the other one it will not be posible to harm other players. We will call this new world Tramel.
Players can travel from one to the other world trough strange blue things. Just imagine the posibiltys. You yould rat the whole day in deepest Tramel-0.0 without worring about other players.
My Idea is so great, CCP should imideatly implement it.
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Par'Gellen
Gallente Tres Hombres Psychiatric Hospital
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Posted - 2009.02.02 23:55:00 -
[80]
Maybe I should have phrased it better.
Any system that effectively allows one group to force their playstyle on another group to the extent of causing said group to simply sit out of the game long enough to make the first group go away is broken on the most basic level. |
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