Instead they claim to have a devoted team to Avatars

I love what Karkur does with the UI but she is proof that TA is a tinfoil hat.

Blunt and short, we can't trust your company on EVE avatars unless its acts match its words. Gray boxes in a gray environment & running scripts at each other can become vampires or capsuleers with equal ease. They don't commit CCP to anything. And so far Team Avatar's deliveries for 2012 are leftovers of Incarna, much as Crucible delivered the other racial CQs.

And there are no plans for new deliveries. There is no commitment to develop "baby steps" to keep improving WiS, rather a vague claim to be protoyping how to climb the Everest with your hands tied to your back. Good. It's nice to have a loooong term goal. But as we say in my country, a bit of "take it" is worth a thousand "we will give you".

And what CCP is giving us is a fraction of what they said they would give to us back in 2011, with no plans to deliver the rest of stuff, let alone anything that wouldn't take 3 years to put our hands on...

[quote=CCP Bayesian]
When is this communication that we've been promised going to start with regards to WiS?

Sorry, but I don't get what you mean here. EVE, apparently, is not about WiS, which is exactly what we are afraid of. Where does WiS fit into CCP Torfitrans' "circle of life"?

Or maybe you mean that WiS is supposed to be as FiS is? No solo, no casual, no consequences for griefing? Will WiS end up being about camping "the door" with 50 thugs to steal somebody's implants?

The concept of exploration type game play sounds interesting, but that remains a rather tentative and vague idea. Are you able to explain what you mean by 'exploration style gameplay'?

Instead of you guys dreaming up stuff with abandoned structures, why not just put all your focus into finishing Incarna off with establishments, corp and alliance board rooms, other meeting places and so on within stations before you go off dreaming about other things? I think its fair to say that you guys do one thing, burn out, then put your heads somewhere else without finishing the original job off that you started. I mean CCP in general, not your team. But since we do have WiS now, it would be nice to see it completed, rather than fall by the wayside like so many other features that have come along - especially when there was so much investment into Incarna. Get your money's worth.

Could you look into the video for the WiS roundtable, for those of us who were not at fanfest? It would be greatly appreciated.

The downside with this approach is that it's all or nothing: nothing now, then "all" in... 1 year? 2? 3 years maybe?

And so far WiS is beyond broken, it's non-existant. It's a resource heavy clumsy interface to nowhere to go, nothing to do and never happen anything, with a promise to keep it like that for years.

It's not ideas what are missing, it's the will to iterate what can be iterated independently of whatever you want to do with WiS. What's gonna come after Inferno? What will happen with WiS once the last remnants of Incarna content are released?

Which, ironically, is pretty much what the community recommended as we became increasingly concious that WiS was being manufactured in a 'game play vacuum'. But that's by the by.

Any avatar game play in EVE is, to an extent, tainted by the events of last summer. That makes it all the more important that the development of future avatar features is well thought out, presented early to the player base (to solicit feedback) and then delivered in a complete a form as possible.

Even if the development statement is "here is what we scribbled on a white board, and we selected these elements because..." could reap benefits now - rather than wait until later and announce a feature pack that is received unfavourably.

C.

Is WiS going to be a part of DUST514 now?

I would love to see the NPC stations being handed over to DUST514 players. I would also love to have the option to choose between flying in space and walking around being two very distinct choices.

I like to play EVE and to pay for it and even when I hardly ever play FPS shooters would I have DUST514 on the PC, too, and being able to play and to pay for both games whenever I wish to. If then WiS became part of DUST514 and with all the other things players want to do with WiS then it would also not leave DUST514 to being a bare shooter. Is this a possibility?

Well, that is quite disappointing. Important information should not be disseminated through a channel so very few players have access to - especially since some of us even paid for the stream. I look forward to the summary when it comes out, but it will of course be only a partial copy of the information given during the roundtable (off-script comments, Q&A).
It's also not the only important part of fanfest that was not streamed or recorded.

You say "having to use" ... does this mean the same as "having to pay"?

A couple questions for team avatar (or anyone in the know)...

Do we have anything avatar related to look forward to in the next year?

Oh, now that you're reading the thread back, there is a question about racial blending that sort of buggers me... will the players be allowed to be less than 50% of their original race? I think that the maximum amount of mix should be 50% original vs. 50% secondary, as it would not make sense that, say, an Amarr ended up being 10% Amarrian and 90% Gallentean...

"He's 51% nice guy, 49% total psycho... don't push him!"

I'm curious how the computer hardware will handle 5 or 10 avatars at a time now? It seems like the overwork that I was seeing from a video card trying to process 1 avatar in CQ is gone. The card is happy now.

@ Anyone who knows: If i re-customize my character, is the existing lighting effect and character pose saved?

Em... a slot?

So i spoke to CCP goliath today on sis and he told me some interesting things firstly those pics you see in th op are real and aperntly CCP karkur has been wearing the latex out fit around the offices LOL! and secondly that the WIS dev blog should be coming out in the next few weeks that is all continue doing stuff

Of course I wear my catsuit every single day! You would too if you had one! No dev shirt for me!

These outfits are not quite ready yet, but we hope to get them to you soonTM (sorry, I don't know how to do proper TM).

I've been held up trying to get a moment with CCP Unifex. We're a lot further on than we were when the blog was written so I'm going to rewrite it on Wednesday to update it, change up the pictures and if we can get approval put together an edit of an internal release demo Team Avatar did of the prototype to the whole of CCP. Sorry for all the delays in getting information to you guys but we will show you what we've been doing in more detail soon.