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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:45:00 -
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So trolls just killed the old WiS thread... time to summarize a bit.
From the old thread, we could see how were raised thee stances on the implementation of WiS:
Stance one, by CCP: there's a long way to Tipperary and we ain't laced our shoes yet.
Essentially, what CCP is doing is to prototype gameplay (which, as i pointed out, could actually be used for their other games too, and not necessarily for EVE). This is a part-time job for Team Avatar, which, although recently raised the head count to 7 developers, effectively lacks workforce to achieve anything that could be implemented in game this year. All the recent and in progress developments by Team Avatar are leftovers of Incarna which probably would have been released in winter 2011/summer 2012. As for the prototyping job, it's currenlty non-shareable and pretty much looks like dungeon raiding, a kind of PvE gameplay uncommon in EVE. The stated goal is to develop gameplay first, then develop WiS itself.
This is done, presumedly, on the assumption that WiS would fail for lacking gameplay content, despite the fact that many players took at face value the "social gameplay" implied for Incarna, plus the promise of further gameplay later.
The prospects for getting any WiS content down this path are uncertain as, it all depends on CCP actually asigning resources to WiS, which is not clear from the "EVE circle of life" presented in Fanfest 2012. The "circle of life" could imply only FiS and no WiS at all...
Stance two, by some players: the fast and dirty road
The "fast and dirty" road to WiS would be to implement social content on the existing WiS infrastructure -namely adding limited multiplayer to the current CQs, then add further multiplayer areas along with social interaction tools (/emotes) and additonal customization options, The advantages of this approach are scalability of resources, that it is fast, and it actually is what WiS players had "bought" from Incarna.
Of course, social WiS would be esentialy a glorified chat and most of the actual content would be emerging content; the gameplay woud be whatever people would do with the tools provided. This, ironically, is what EVE is all about, more than actually "ride like" PvE content. Also, social gameplay would require beefed up customization, which in turn could open a door to some actual vanity MT.
The prospects of convincing CCP to take this road are slim, but nonetheless it's the clearest hope of getting actual WiS in 2013 and not on a way longer schedule.
Stance three: not in my EVE
This stance is represented by our beloved trolls, from the dumber ones to the cunning ones suggesting that WiS becomes a separate project, and preferably one without any actual influence on EVE.
The few people with a legitimate concern abut WiS, do so misled by the impression that the Incarna disaster was caused by WiS, a point that has been disproven many times. Also, nobody defending WiS asks that it is prioritized upon pending FiS content, which is pretty sensible but also generous as, all in all, WiSers are the last guys in game to get a broken feature nobody is gonna look at for years. Actually WiS is the first featureless feature in the history of EVE, an accomplishment hard to beat.
Puns aside, it is obvious that most people who oppose WiS do so for the same reason as this forums are so busy: they aim to spoil somebody else's fun and tell them how to play the game.
So, these are the three stances on WiS. With any luck, this thread may last long and allow to discuss the virtues and faults of each stance, and to keep showing that we still want to open the door. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:49:00 -
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When you open the door you should be bathed in a warm blinding light followed by images of ponies and immediately afterwards by your being biomassed. No confirmation messages. No warnings. It should just happen. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:10:00 -
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Beating on the dead horse again? (Issler II?)
You forgot Stance Four - those that don't give a damn about WiS, just as long as the core EVE (not limited to FiS) is well maintained.
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:11:00 -
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Facehuggers, everything is improved with facehuggers. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
843
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:12:00 -
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Stance four: cancel subscription and tell everyone about it over and over for months
/wait, that was you.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
347
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:18:00 -
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I do love how your arguments are obviously biased to your side of the argument, that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a 'dumb troll'
You make a very poor spokesman for WiS and the last one to start a thread seems to make a very poor CSM representative, you aren't doing anyone in high sec any favours. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:18:00 -
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I took a WiS this morning in the bathroom. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:23:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Stance three: not in my EVE
This stance is represented by our beloved trolls, from the dumber ones to the cunning ones suggesting that WiS becomes a separate project, and preferably one without any actual influence on EVE. "Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll of variable intelligence."
Cool story bro, needs moar zombies.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Orlacc
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:45:00 -
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Beating a dead horse. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
157
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:46:00 -
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Can we delete this thread please ? Not lock it, delete it, it's taking up space.... |
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:53:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Beating a dead horse.
It's not dead, it just looks that way. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:06:00 -
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I bet this thread is going exactly how the op dreamed it would.
Also: Honeybadger Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Rekon X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:15:00 -
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Wuts WIS? I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:16:00 -
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Whining In Stations WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:18:00 -
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At this point, I'm only wondering if WIS will receive a DX11 treatment? I mean, the Trinity side of the client is, so is it reasonable to assume that Carbon will as well? |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
534
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:28:00 -
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You should have posted this on an alt. The OP is actually ok, but nobody wants to get associated by WiS anymore because of you, DMC and the rest.
You ruined WiS.
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
79
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:32:00 -
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Option 2 would be great At least then CQ could be used for more than just a new and interesting way to watch **** |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:32:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:I bet this thread is going exactly how the op dreamed it would.
Also: Honeybadger
I too have a lot of support for the Honeybadger!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:33:00 -
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The trolls are out in force today. Why is it that people can't keep their crap opinions to themselves? Why does a person HAVE to post in a thread just to be a **** and show how superior he thinks he is?
Well...good luck with this thread. I am sure it will just eventually be locked just like the others because it is easier to lock a thread then filter out the trolls. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1701
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:35:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai,
+1 for a very good accurate summary of the now locked WiS thread. Unfortunately this thread now has the same thing happening to it and will ultimately suffer the same fate - being over-run and trolled til locked.
Sturmwolke wrote:Beating on the dead horse again? (Issler II?)
You forgot Stance Four - those that don't give a damn about WiS, just as long as the core EVE (not limited to FiS) is well maintained.
Anti-WiS players don't have anything to worry about, they've won the battle. "Vive la Revoluci+¦n". CCP Unifex made it quite clear at Fanfest 2012 that CCP will be iterating specifically on the Core aspect of Eve, otherwise known as FiS. According to the 'Circle Of Life' presented by CCP t0rfifrans, this will probably be for the next 3 years. |
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
461
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:40:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58990&find=unread
Ideas and features.
General Discussion does not mean "ideas and features"
You're just posting here.....for what ?
Go to the proper forums and stickied thread, read by DEVs.
Prediction that this thread will be locked soon(tm) The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
245
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:53:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai, +1 for a very good accurate summary of the now locked WiS thread. Unfortunately this thread now has the same thing happening to it and will ultimately suffer the same fate - being over-run and trolled til locked. Sturmwolke wrote:Beating on the dead horse again? (Issler II?)
You forgot Stance Four - those that don't give a damn about WiS, just as long as the core EVE (not limited to FiS) is well maintained.
Anti-WiS players don't have anything to worry about, they've won the battle. "Vive la Revoluci+¦n". CCP Unifex made it quite clear at Fanfest 2012 that CCP will be iterating specifically on the Core aspect of Eve, otherwise known as FiS. According to the 'Circle Of Life' presented by CCP t0rfifrans, this will probably be for the next 3 years. Roime wrote:You should have posted this on an alt. The OP is actually ok, but nobody wants to get associated by WiS anymore because of you, DMC and the rest.
You ruined WiS. Sorry Charlie, It was actually ruined during the 'Summer Of Rage' in 2011 by people such as yourself who like to start flame wars with troll attacks.
Judging from your writing I can clearly see that you yourself are a fine upstanding citizen of new eden with high moral fiber not unlike the rest of these cretens who would surely resort to nothing more than name calling and finger pointing. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:57:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Beating on the dead horse again? (Issler II?)
You forgot Stance Four - those that don't give a damn about WiS, just as long as the core EVE (not limited to FiS) is well maintained.
Beating a locked horse
ibtl?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
245
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:58:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
ibtl?
Noooo, I'm right above you. Man you think I was invisible or something. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:00:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:The trolls are out in force today. Why is it that people can't keep their crap opinions to themselves? Why does a person HAVE to post in a thread just to be a **** and show how superior he thinks he is?
Well...good luck with this thread. I am sure it will just eventually be locked just like the others because it is easier to lock a thread then filter out the trolls.
Yeah why cant you pro-Wis people "keep your crap opinions to yourselves"?
See how that cuts both ways?
Roime wrote:You should have posted this on an alt. The OP is actually ok, but nobody wants to get associated by WiS anymore because of you, DMC and the rest.
You ruined WiS.
true as well
In after the lock, in before moderator lock lol
Thorn Galen wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58990&find=unread
Ideas and features.
General Discussion does not mean "ideas and features"
You're just posting here.....for what ?
Its called flame bait. Its what they do.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
540
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:08:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Sorry Charlie, It was actually ruined during the 'Summer Of Rage' in 2011 by people such as yourself who like to start flame wars with troll attacks.
You didn't really understand, did you? Somehow not surprised.
My point was that the consistently terrible, arrogant and whining shitposting by your team has turned more players anti-WiS than anything CCP ever did.
Realize that people here don't troll the idea of WiS, they troll you. Your biased, black & white, abrasive and warped view of people who love flying spaceships makes WiS look bad. Which it is not.
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Justice Comes
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:25:00 -
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I think they left the W out of WiS. My toon walks like a model on the slowest runway in the world, and the overall movement is nowhere near fluid or responsive. It's torturous to try to get from the ship to the captain's quarters due to the speed.
The movement experience is so detached from the well-polished room the character is in. I don't understand how this feature even got released in its current state. What were we supposed to do with it?? Gawk at the lighted screens... for how long?
I'm not against WiS in a general concept as an added feature for the casuals, but this should have been left in the can until you had something we could actually use. I'm sure that's been said a million times but I've never commented on it so here ya go :p Google Chrome could not load the webpage because forums.eveonline.com took too long to respond. The website may be down, or you may be experiencing issues with your Internet connection. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
564
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:58:00 -
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closing the wis trhead is proof that Team Avatar is only PR stuff If they actually communicated ,the WIS thread wouldn,t be a troll thread
CCP: lets make them think we have a Team dedicated to WIS ,after that we keep silent maybe it will pass away. and laugh about it in a few years pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:59:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:closing the wis trhead is proof that Team Avatar is only PR stuff If they actually communicated ,the WIS thread wouldn,t be a troll thread
CCP: lets make them think we have a Team dedicated to WIS ,after that we keep silent maybe it will pass away.
yeah not cause of all the trolling/off topic/personal attacks IN the thread...
never that
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
564
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:01:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:closing the wis trhead is proof that Team Avatar is only PR stuff If they actually communicated ,the WIS thread wouldn,t be a troll thread
CCP: lets make them think we have a Team dedicated to WIS ,after that we keep silent maybe it will pass away.
yeah not cause of all the trolling/off topic/personal attacks IN the thread... never that
the Thread had some good discussion ,but the idiotic trolls had to come in. Mittens didn,t even need his alt Mister Harlot
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
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