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Nicholas Barker
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:18:00 -
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Is CCP capable of doing anything without it turning into a shitfest? |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
127
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Posted - 2012.04.27 19:15:00 -
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Nicholas Barker wrote:Is CCP capable of doing anything without it turning into a shitfest?
I'd LOVE to hear you explain how people ignoring a legal warning and breaking contract is the company's fault.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Enkryption
Intergalactic Pool Boys
10
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Posted - 2012.04.28 18:28:00 -
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NDA's have a lot of bark and pretty much no bite in all seriousness, especially in the gaming world against the individual player. If it's a blog/news website they will get a cease and desist but to the individual sharing info anonymously, there is nothing they can really do about.
This is a just sayin' sort of thing, I don't break NDA's ;) |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
575
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:25:00 -
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Josef Stylin wrote:I don't get it, why are you posting this here CCP.
I guess next you'll post EVE patchnotes on the WoW forums?
becuase dust is tied into 0.0 sov warfare, deal with it. |
ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:08:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:ELECTR0FREAK wrote:Everyone is pre-emptively warned when they are presented with the NDA, so that's a moot point. Except that apparently a lot of people were just like "BLABLABLASCROLLSCROLL YES I HAVE READ THE TERMS AND BLOODY CONDITIONS YAWN GO AWAY BORING LEGAL STUFF I WANT TO BLOW S**T UP" Which, I mean sure there's a good argument for letting natural selection take its course here, but it's only fair to give people a second clear message and ultimatum about this stuff. Especially seeing as CCP don't want the NDA to be breached. The more different places and formats you present information in, the more likely it is that people will actually get the message.
Stitcher wrote:Nicholas Barker wrote:Is CCP capable of doing anything without it turning into a shitfest? I'd LOVE to hear you explain how people ignoring a legal warning and breaking contract is the company's fault.
You seem to be missing the point. I, if not most of us here, are not saying that it's CCP's fault, simply that they were addressing the wrong audience. The Dust 514 keys have gone out, but typically when a closed Beta is started, attention is brought to the NDA, with the understanding that breaching the NDA has consequences for future play. Generally fans are more likely to respect an NDA than people who don't care about the game (and have little reason to care if they get banned). The people who broke the NDA obviously didn't care about it and obviously weren't fans.
It's simply that it seems the first place CCP decided to "remind" everyone about the NDA was here, on a forum, where virtually nobody had a beta key because the first keys were handed out to random uncaring nobodies instead of the dedicated fanbase.
This could have been handled more tactfully. In any case, it's pretty much a moot point now that the FanFest attendees finally have access to the beta, but this thread did leave a bitter taste in many a mouth of CCP's most dedicated.
Discoverer of CCP's original missile damage formula. |
Degren
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:17:00 -
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PSN name is Degren
How bout dem codes! |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
129
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:30:00 -
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ELECTR0FREAK wrote:this thread did leave a bitter taste in many a mouth of CCP's most dedicated.
Well that's just bloody unreasonable.
Look, we've been over this. Let me summarize my points.
1) DUST is not aimed at the existing EVE fanbase, it's aimed at a completely different demographic. The feedback of your "random uncaring nobodies" is precisely what they're going to want MORE than that of the self-interested EVE player.
(Also, "random uncaring nobodies"? Really? you need to check your arrogance, son.)
2) The more places and avenues an announcement like this is made in, the more people it will reach. Given that the plan is for Fanfest attendees and us players who've signed up for the Beta to eventually get access anyway, it makes sense to remind us of this stuff. It's still relevant and important.
3) Paying for an EVE subscription does not entitle you to anything other than being able to play EVE. Anything else you get is a bonus or gift, but such gestures are not required of a company. It is NOT reasonable to demand them.
4) Grow the hell up.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Craterius
Symple Onez
9
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:17:00 -
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I have been playing EvE since August 2008, sometimes with as many as three accounts.
I have not seen anything about Dust 514 that would motivate me to play it. I am willing to be agnostic about it, so long as the effort to create the New Thing does not ruin the Old Thing, which I like.
I suggest everyone check out the Sony Dust 514 Trailer, on Youtube. Sony is advertising Dust 514 as a typical FPS, with legions of EvE players lining up to be killed by the FPS guy, one after another.
The game, as Sony is portraying it, would not interest me from any perspective.
The loyal (and profitable, and growing) EvE player base is a valuable asset for a game. Trying to replace the existing player base with another one, in the hope it will be larger and therefore more profitable, is a very high risk business strategy. Personally, I would not do this, if I were CEO of CCP, or had financial responsibility for the company. A few months ago we saw the first detonations from this probably flawed strategy.
But, we shall see.
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MotherMoon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
579
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Posted - 2012.05.01 09:44:00 -
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Craterius wrote:I have been playing EvE since August 2008, sometimes with as many as three accounts.
I have not seen anything about Dust 514 that would motivate me to play it. I am willing to be agnostic about it, so long as the effort to create the New Thing does not ruin the Old Thing, which I like.
I suggest everyone check out the Sony Dust 514 Trailer, on Youtube. Sony is advertising Dust 514 as a typical FPS, with legions of EvE players lining up to be killed by the FPS guy, one after another.
The game, as Sony is portraying it, would not interest me from any perspective.
The loyal (and profitable, and growing) EvE player base is a valuable asset for a game. Trying to replace the existing player base with another one, in the hope it will be larger and therefore more profitable, is a very high risk business strategy. Personally, I would not do this, if I were CEO of CCP, or had financial responsibility for the company. A few months ago we saw the first detonations from this probably flawed strategy.
But, we shall see.
what? |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
129
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Posted - 2012.05.02 05:38:00 -
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Okay, so the game doesn't crank your engine, fine. Taste is an entirely subjective thing after all.
But this sort of knee-jerk "I don't like anything new" conservatism is NOT how you run a company successfully. The fact that you personally aren't interested in DUST is not proof that it's going to flop.
also, I've got a word for you to learn: "Expand". meaning to increase, grow or enlarge. THAT's what DUST is intended to do: expand CCP's customer base, not replace it.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Craterius
Symple Onez
9
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Posted - 2012.05.05 01:46:00 -
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Stitcher:
You might actually look like you have read a thread, before you give your standard "defense of Dust 514" speech. (Are you a shill for CCP? Are you CCP?)
I said I was "agnostic" to Dust 514. This means, I am willing to see what happens, & give it a try. I also said I did not object to anything, even a new feature that I did not want to play, so long as it did not destroy the play that already exists, which I like.
This sounds a lot like what you suggest I do. It also, generally, sounds pretty reasonable from any perspective.
Now, what about the concerns I, and others, have expressed? Do you have a viewpoint on those? |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1088
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Posted - 2012.05.05 01:53:00 -
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Quote:3.1 Participant represents and warrants to CCP that:
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(e) Participant will keep all copies of the Private Trials Copy on a computer that is password protected
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You don't say...
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T
http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:35:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Quote:3.1 Participant represents and warrants to CCP that:
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(e) Participant will keep all copies of the Private Trials Copy on a computer that is password protected ... You don't say... Well-played, sir. Well-played.
If only we had DUST available on the PC, I'd be all-in.
Alas, Tanks, Tribes and BF3 are closer to my heart as my girl, EVE, fades away...
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:18:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:ELECTR0FREAK wrote:this thread did leave a bitter taste in many a mouth of CCP's most dedicated. Well that's just bloody unreasonable. Look, we've been over this. Let me summarize my points. 1) DUST is not aimed at the existing EVE fanbase, it's aimed at a completely different demographic. The feedback of your "random uncaring nobodies" is precisely what they're going to want MORE than that of the self-interested EVE player. (Also, "random uncaring nobodies"? Really? you need to check your arrogance, son.) 2) The more places and avenues an announcement like this is made in, the more people it will reach. Given that the plan is for Fanfest attendees and us players who've signed up for the Beta to eventually get access anyway, it makes sense to remind us of this stuff. It's still relevant and important. 3) Paying for an EVE subscription does not entitle you to anything other than being able to play EVE. Anything else you get is a bonus or gift, but such gestures are not required of a company. It is NOT reasonable to demand them. 4) Grow the hell up.
1) Regardless of what demographic DUST is aimed at, obviously it appeals to a large percentage of the EVE fanbase and shares the same universe and backstory. Obviously CCP knows this or they wouldn't have spent so much time presenting it at the EVE Fanfest, and then there's that little fact that they handed out beta keys to Fanfest attendees. And, it's obvious you didn't see any of the leaked videos. Too bad they've been removed from YouTube because if you had watched a few you would understand why I called them random uncaring nobodies.
2) I'll repeat myself... I, and most others on this thread, have little issue with a heads-up about the NDA and consequences for breaking it. The issue lies with the fact that CCP decided to warn everyone on THIS forum, the EVE Online forum, not a DUST 514 or PSN forum, about the NDA immediately after a bunch of random PSN players posted videos talking about how crappy the game was and how basically it was a Halo knockoff. This while the Fanfest attendees were still sitting on their hands waiting for the exclusive beta key they were promised. It felt to many like an accusation aimed at the Fanfest attendees that didn't even have the beta key they essentially paid for since they were told they'd get one for attending the Fanfest. Go back to the beginning of this thread and read some of the posts... the anger is palpable.
3) But, paying for a ticket to EVE Fanfest did entitle you to a beta key; it was used as a means to advertise the Fanfest and sell tickets, so your statement is an empty one. A lot of people were frustrated that they were told that if they paid for EVE Fanfest they would have exclusive beta access... but then it turns out that 5,000 random people who hadn't paid anything, and the vast majority of had never heard of EVE or DUST 514 beforehand got into the DUST beta first.
4) I'm not your son, and there's a good chance I'm older than you are, so lay off the insults, particularly since I did not insult you in any way. I would suggest you heed your own words, slinging insults at someone who made "u mad" on the internet by writing a post that happens to disagree with your sentiment.
This is my last post on the subject as the whole thing is water under the bridge now that the EVE Fanfest attendees have their beta keys. I'll reiterate simply that CCP could have been more tactful in the manner they handed this "warning" to players that felt like they'd been given the short end of the stick and then admonished for it.
Discoverer of CCP's original missile damage formula. |
Degren
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:26:00 -
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ELECTR0FREAK wrote:so much
Calm down, son.
Also, still waiting on them keys.
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
386
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:46:00 -
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Let's get it all straiht.
CCP makes EVE players all happy about Dust with Beta Keys.
EVE players with Beta Keys can't go Beta because Sony uses it's arsebuddy system first.
Chances of someone being an EVE player and a Sony arsebuddy limits the amount of EVE players in DustBeta a lot.
Random people in Dust Beta break the NDA. (all of them people selected by Sony to get the working Betakey)
CCP starts to complain about this towards the big crowd of which MAYBE only a few actually have access to the incrowd of Sony.
Can we haz a WHAMMMMMBULANCE of care?
Because I actually don't care.
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Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:59:00 -
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That's what happens when you cut a deal with Big Gaming. You get used. |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
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Posted - 2012.05.26 09:25:00 -
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I got a beta key... wish I hadn't... :( |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
504
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Posted - 2012.05.26 10:53:00 -
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NDAs are a joke esp ones that involve video games. This just in DUST 514 is a fps just like all the other shooters. ccp your shooter isnt special sorry to burst your bubble. 
I have more space likes than you.-á |
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