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Darwin's Market	Posted - 2009.01.31 15:25:00 - [31] bellum, griffin, blackbird, scorpion, falcon/rook if falcon's ecm strength is lessened, it won't be better than a blackbird
Shigsy Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.01.31 15:26:00 - [32] Why dont you self destruct a moros about it.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.31 15:33:00 - [33] Remove the range and turn it into a SECOND strength bonus This way you could actually fit a tank and still be relatively useful
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.01.31 15:34:00 - [34] I'm surprised people wouldn't just use a Rook instead. I see it this way: You may jam at extreme range with impunity, but at a price. You cannot warp while cloaked. Hell, all other force recon boats are made that way. Why not the Falcon?
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.31 15:35:00 - [35] Originally by: Darwin's Market bellum, griffin, blackbird, scorpion, falcon/rook if falcon's ecm strength is lessened, it won't be better than a blackbird I'm well aware of that. The Falcon's jam strength was the same as the BBs and there was nothing wrong with it at all, then CCP buffed it and we have the current problems. Returning it to where it was would be just fine, but that's not going to happen.
GodfatherTB Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.31 15:42:00 - [36] just fit eccm... thats what its for
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.01.31 15:52:00 - [37] Originally by: GodfatherTB just fit eccm... thats what its for Doesn't really work. I often fit two eccm and that keeps me from being jammed less than 50% of the time. It also screws over my pvp fits. Eccm mods should be twice as effective as they currently are. I'd happily take that over a Falcon nerf. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Aeo IV Amarr Xomic OmniCorporation	Posted - 2009.01.31 15:58:00 - [38] Originally by: Arthur Frayn I'm surprised people wouldn't just use a Rook instead. I see it this way: You may jam at extreme range with impunity, but at a price. You cannot warp while cloaked. Hell, all other force recon boats are made that way. Why not the Falcon? Possibly because a 5% missile damage bonus isn't better then a cloak-while-warping cloaking device. The problem isn't the Falcon, imo, it's every other force recon, They need a major buff to make them more awesome, the falcon is only so good because BOTH it's bonuses boost it in the ECM role. Nether boost everyone else, or, add a second 'role' to the Falcon and take away part of it's bonuses. (for example, the Pilgram get a tracking disruptor bonus, a drone bonus, as well as nos/neut bonus, the falcon gets a ECM cap bonus, a ECM range bonus, and a ECM strength bonus, it's broken because it's overspecialized at what it does, compared to the diverse bonuses enjoyed by the other recons.)
Nova Satar Annihilate.	Posted - 2009.01.31 15:58:00 - [39] how about just give sentry guns 300km range. Then you'd really start crying.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Nova Satar how about just give sentry guns 300km range. Then you'd really start crying. if this was more about making pirates cry than fixing the falcon, id be up for this getting the falcon into range where it is forced to fit a tank is not going to cripple it. It will have to field the best tank it can like every other recon out there. that and some non ECM EW tweaks (overheating, ew low slot mods, rigs at same bonus levels etc) and we are well on the way to recon ballence again.
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:03:00 - [41] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 31/01/2009 16:03:38 Originally by: evos Maybe if u idiots stopped using falcons non stop in PVP 24/7 and jamming entire fleets making 1v1 or 5v5 or 50v50 impossible when a fleet has 8 falcons, ccp wouldnt nerf it as usual u get a good ship n every tom, **** n asswipe jumps into it n uses it to the ground causing problems with the pvp population, and its over powered, get over uself Maybe if some idi... sorry, CCP stopped nerfing missiles non stop, maybe Caldari players would have more choices than use a Falcon to be useful. I begin to switch to a Falcon. At least, it is more efficient than my now useless Cerberus.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:04:00 - [42] btw assuming falcons get 100km range, then why would your falcon need to be within sentry range to jam the enemy falcon? Just make some bookmarks arround the gate at 160km distance, and you should always be able to jam the enemy falcon.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:06:00 - [43] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/01/2009 16:05:48 Using one ship gets you nerfed. Using different ships makes it feel like someone slashed one tire of your maserati, so you'll have to settle for a veyron.
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:18:00 - [44] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 31/01/2009 16:19:34 Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 31/01/2009 16:03:38 Originally by: evos Maybe if u idiots stopped using falcons non stop in PVP 24/7 and jamming entire fleets making 1v1 or 5v5 or 50v50 impossible when a fleet has 8 falcons, ccp wouldnt nerf it as usual u get a good ship n every tom, **** n asswipe jumps into it n uses it to the ground causing problems with the pvp population, and its over powered, get over uself Maybe if some idi... sorry, CCP stopped nerfing missiles non stop, maybe Caldari players would have more choices than use a Falcon to be useful. I begin to switch to a Falcon. At least, it is more efficient than my now useless Cerberus. Indeed, I was training for raven skills, switched to learning falcons and amarr battleships now, lolz. 9/10 people in my corp fly amarr battleships. Moar falcons ftw.
Mimi Ar'Skele Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/01/2009 16:05:48 Using one ship gets you nerfed. Using different ships makes it feel like someone slashed one tire of your maserati, so you'll have to settle for a veyron. Unfortunately there's a problem with everyone being a generalist and disincentives to specializing. When everyone is bulldozed into cross-training every weapon system and ships of all races there won't be much variety. People will just switch to FoTM immediately after nerfs and buffs. Even though there are hundreds of ships and combinations only 2-3 will ever be fielded. Balance is a good thing. Variety is a good thing. Nerfing everything in sight into a homogeneous mush is not.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:36:00 - [46] Originally by: Furb Killer btw assuming falcons get 100km range, then why would your falcon need to be within sentry range to jam the enemy falcon? Just make some bookmarks arround the gate at 160km distance, and you should always be able to jam the enemy falcon. That's an awesome idea. Whenever I warp to a gate, I'll always remember to be sure to quickly make 160km bookmarks at all the compass points before engaging the enemy. Because that won't be that hard at all. It'll be waaaay easier than just warping my scout in at 100km and warping my Falcon in at 100km from the scout. Right?
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:40:00 - [47] Originally by: Mimi Ar'Skele Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/01/2009 16:05:48 Using one ship gets you nerfed. Using different ships makes it feel like someone slashed one tire of your maserati, so you'll have to settle for a veyron. Unfortunately there's a problem with everyone being a generalist and disincentives to specializing. When everyone is bulldozed into cross-training every weapon system and ships of all races there won't be much variety. People will just switch to FoTM immediately after nerfs and buffs. Even though there are hundreds of ships and combinations only 2-3 will ever be fielded. Balance is a good thing. Variety is a good thing. Nerfing everything in sight into a homogeneous mush is not. There's the problem. If everything isn't homo-genious at some level, there's flavors of the month that everyone uses. Then we get that nerfed to add more variety. Variety comes from equality. By the way, i simply meant, don't get stuck in FOTM or you're bound to get ***ed off. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.*
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:46:00 - [48] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 31/01/2009 14:24:30 If the falcons range bonus gets removed and the racials have a optimal+fallof of 80km, the falcon needs another bonus - maybe resistance or something along with a shield hp boost. Id be much happier to see the falcon getting changed abit and being within reasonable range like all the other recons then it still being able to take out plenty of ships from 220km away being, when smart, untouchable there. About your pirate problem with the sentries killing it, first off all the other recons have the same problems, more importantly tho sentries are outdated and need a change. Balancing ship changes around them would be a mistake imo. I'd like to say that getting into IRON has made you so inept but truth to the fact, you always were. All recons but the caldari ones have some degree of survivability against sentries. Lachesis/Arazu have no need to fit low-slot mods to boost their own mid-slot EW, so they can passive armor tank well. Curse/Pilgrim have good armor tank up to the point where they can active tank sentries solo - but not much else. Rapier/Huginn have good shield/armor buffer depending on how you fit them so, like the gallente ones they can be remote repped. Rook/Falcon's EW has a dependency on how you fit the low slots. You can go with extenders on it, but bigger sig means juicier target + you lose a lot of efficiency as a jammer, or you can go with a plate in the lows in which case the RR is not that efficient because of crap resists - just one plate will buy you some time but it won't allow you to tank even with RR. I'd like to say more about how inept you are, but i think your employment history speaks volumes ... Mr P. Alice.
Mimi Ar'Skele Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:48:00 - [49] Originally by: Sheriff Jones By the way, i simply meant, don't get stuck in FOTM or you're bound to get ***ed off. Not being FoTM doesn't mean you won't get nerfed into the stone age either. Ask the OP how much fun it was being a maxed out megathron pilot. Gank megas took about 2 years of SP to fly well and weren't even remotely related to nanoships. And yet, -=>KA-NERF,=- train another race kthxbye. Instead of reducing existing capabilities we should introduce new* tactics and new options. For example, the problem with falcons is stealthy, 150+km perma-jam of multiple targets. Introduce a module which gains ECCM strength based on number of people in the gang to counter. Introduce anti-ECM leadership skills. Introduce a high alpha weapon systems capable of filling a falcon pilot's underwear with the results of their daily meal. The possibilities other than nerfing are endless. Oh, and I can fly command ships and smaller (including the best HICtors) of two races. So I buy into the train complimentary weapon systems philosophy. But I think it's poor game design to encourage non-specialization.
Par'Gellen Gallente Tres Hombres Psychiatric Hospital	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:52:00 - [50] Originally by: Tippia Your use of "carebear" is nonsensical. This.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:54:00 - [51] Originally by: Mimi Ar'Skele Originally by: Sheriff Jones By the way, i simply meant, don't get stuck in FOTM or you're bound to get ***ed off. Not being FoTM doesn't mean you won't get nerfed into the stone age either. Ask the OP how much fun it was being a maxed out megathron pilot. Gank megas took about 2 years of SP to fly well and weren't even remotely related to nanoships. And yet, -=>KA-NERF,=- train another race kthxbye. Instead of reducing existing capabilities we should introduce new* tactics and new options. For example, the problem with falcons is stealthy, 150+km perma-jam of multiple targets. Introduce a module which gains ECCM strength based on number of people in the gang to counter. Introduce anti-ECM leadership skills. Introduce a high alpha weapon systems capable of filling a falcon pilot's underwear with the results of their daily meal. The possibilities other than nerfing are endless. Oh, and I can fly command ships and smaller (including the best HICtors) of two races. So I buy into the train complimentary weapon systems philosophy. But I think it's poor game design to encourage non-specialization. You mean ppl with Information Warfare gang links and the mindlink ? One good anti-falcon platform were the missile battleships armed with cruise ... before missiles were nerfed into oblivion.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:56:00 - [52] Oh look, another Bellum whinepost. Is Bellum a Rells alt?
Mimi Ar'Skele Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:58:00 - [53] Originally by: Muad' Dib You mean ppl with Information Warfare gang links and the mindlink ? One good anti-falcon platform were the missile battleships armed with cruise ... before missiles were nerfed into oblivion. Like Sensor Integrity link, yes. Exactly. But more so. And a compliment to Information Warfare that does more than simply increase targeting range.
Pac SubCom A.W.M	Posted - 2009.01.31 17:00:00 - [54] How do you know they will nerf the range?
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.01.31 17:09:00 - [55] Originally by: Pac SubCom How do you know they will nerf the range? He's using his ~~rectal~~ crystal ball… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.31 17:10:00 - [56] HAI GUYS! I'M IMPORTANT AND SO ARE MY THREADS. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.01.31 17:42:00 - [57] CCP is damned if they do, and damned if they don't. ITT CCP is damned by the inquisition council of the thought police.
Bumbum George	Posted - 2009.01.31 18:04:00 - [58] Originally by: Bellum Eternus That's an awesome idea. Whenever I warp to a gate, I'll always remember to be sure to quickly make 160km bookmarks at all the compass points before engaging the enemy. Because that won't be that hard at all. It'll be waaaay easier than just warping my scout in at 100km and warping my Falcon in at 100km from the scout. Right? Honestly, can you do ANYTHING other than whining? Every time i click on a Bellum thread its first class whineage I get
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2009.01.31 18:11:00 - [59] The falcon does need to lose its range bonus, in my opinion. And if it does, what's stopping you from using a Rook? The Rook can fit the same jamming ability as a falcon from the same range, the only difference being it can't fit a covert ops cloak. What's so special about the ability to warp cloaked AND jam from outside of sentry range that you need to do both at the same time? And I'm going to echo the sentiment expressed by a few people in the thread: Did you seriously just make up a nerf just to complain about it? I mean there's literally no info saying this change is coming in any patch. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2009.01.31 18:27:00 - [60] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Malcanis I'd have a lot more sympathy if you hadn't been a falcon-whiner yourself. Now my position can be summarised as "I told you so". See you in W-space Falcons need to be nerfed into the ground. But as usual, CCP will do it in the most f#cked up way possible instead of using some common sense. Your wrong they are doing it correctly. It is actually my opinion that two things should be done. First, sentry guns should teach out to 200km. This way only the best of sniper ships and jammers will have a change of evasion. Secondly nerf falcons max range to 150km, but increase their overall ability to jam by 5% to increase their survivability a little. All a falcon is is a untanked, no weapon, cloaky, jammer ship. Sure it can jam multiple targets, but it cant jam everyone permanently, and when he gets caught (which he will if he is doing his job of jamming people) he dies very fast.

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