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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.01.31 13:55:00 -
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When CCP nerfs the Falcon's range (and they will), it's really going to hurt pirates.
If they would simply reduce the Falcon's ECM *strength* (and not range) then both pirates and everyone else (read: s****sucking high security standing carebears) would have a fair shake at using them in low security space around gates and stations (where 99% of all combat in lowsec occurs).
Once the Falcon's range is nerfed, only carebears will be able to use them around gates, as the sentry guns will quickly kill off any Falcon that is used inside of 150km. A good idea? I think not.
Falcons are simply too big of an advantage to be restricted to one set of players (non pirates). Don't ask for confirmation. Don't ask for sources. Just remember where you heard it first heh. I hope I'm wrong. I'm probably not. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 13:58:00 -
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I'd have a lot more sympathy if you hadn't been a falcon-whiner yourself.
Now my position can be summarised as "I told you so".
See you in W-space |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 13:58:00 -
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Your use of "carebear" is nonsensical. |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Malcanis
I'd have a lot more sympathy if you hadn't been a falcon-whiner yourself.
Now my position can be summarised as "I told you so".
See you in W-space
Falcons need to be nerfed into the ground. But as usual, CCP will do it in the most f#cked up way possible instead of using some common sense. |
Grunanca
Mean Corp
Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:02:00 -
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Maybe if you stopped basing wheter or not to fight on who has most falcons, you would see how brilliant reducing the range a lot will be. The falcon is plain broken and if they fially get within range of the ships loaded with eccm modules, they are way more likely to die. I havent had the pleasure of a falcon in my gangs for months, but somehow a fleet can turn into a nasty surprise if all fit eccm and falcons even get shorter range. |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Grunanca
Maybe if you stopped basing wheter or not to fight on who has most falcons, you would see how brilliant reducing the range a lot will be. The falcon is plain broken and if they fially get within range of the ships loaded with eccm modules, they are way more likely to die. I havent had the pleasure of a falcon in my gangs for months, but somehow a fleet can turn into a nasty surprise if all fit eccm and falcons even get shorter range.
It's not brilliant. Once Falcons can't be used outside sentry range, pirates won't be able to use them in combat. |
Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
Endemic Aggression
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:07:00 -
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Rapier is overpowered |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
But as usual, CCP will do it in the most f#cked up way possible instead of using some common sense.
Translation: "WAAAH! The sky is falling (for a small subset of players) because I think I can predict how some un-announced, un-planned, nerf that might never happen will happen!" |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:09:00 -
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I guess everyone will use Rooks then for long range jamming. It can still fit a cloak so you can pull off the 'now you see me now you don't and btw ur jammed' trick it just won't be able to warp cloaked. Stealth Rook Boost FTW.  |
Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Cors on 31/01/2009 14:20:54
I dunno about you guys, but in 0.0, the falcons in MY gangs fly WITH it's gang... NOT out at 100+KM. They're within Weapons range.
Why? They want to SHOOT things too. Not just standback and get some jams in.
Find better gang mates. Hell, one got caught by a damned DICTOR.. Not a HIC, a DICTOR last night.. Kept him from warping JUST long enough so the gang warping in to get us(As we killed one of their Ratters) got a point on him.
If folks have trouble with Falcons at gates/stations/belts at LONG range, then they need to either have faster ships with them, or more ECCM, or snipers. |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
But as usual, CCP will do it in the most f#cked up way possible instead of using some common sense.
Translation: "WAAAH! The sky is falling (for a small subset of players) because I think I can predict how some un-announced, un-planned, nerf that might never happen will happen!"
Yeah, I'm sticking my neck out by making a prediction, but I think the upcoming patch will prove me out. |
evos
Terra Nostra
SATRAPY
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:22:00 -
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Maybe if u idiots stopped using falcons non stop in PVP 24/7 and jamming entire fleets making 1v1 or 5v5 or 50v50 impossible when a fleet has 8 falcons, ccp wouldnt nerf it
as usual u get a good ship n every tom, **** n asswipe jumps into it n uses it to the ground causing problems with the pvp population, and its over powered,
get over uself |
Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 31/01/2009 14:24:30
If the falcons range bonus gets removed and the racials have a optimal+fallof of 80km,
the falcon needs another bonus - maybe resistance or something along with a shield hp boost.
Id be much happier to see the falcon getting changed abit and being within reasonable range like all the other recons then it still being able to take out plenty of ships from 220km away being, when smart, untouchable there.
About your pirate problem with the sentries killing it, first off all the other recons have the same problems, more importantly tho sentries are outdated and need a change. Balancing ship changes around them would be a mistake imo. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:24:00 -
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Does that mean the pirates will start using the buffer tanked Rapiers and Huginns again so the "gatecamping is impossible now!!!11" whines will stop?
The imbalance that the Caldari recons pose with their massive range compared to other recons is doing more harm than good (good being quality fights and fun pewpew). Take away the Caldari recons and you may lose more ships, but the entertainment value of the ganks will probably increase significantly.
I would like to see an overhaul of the ECM mechanic as a whole. Removing a person from the game for however long you can maintain a jam is just wrong. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Yeah, I'm sticking my neck out by making a prediction, but I think the upcoming patch will prove me out.
The problem isn't the prediction — it's that you're blowing it wa-a-ay out of proportion rather than think about what effects it will have on everyone and consider how to take advantage those effects.
Begin by considering why you need falcons on the gate to begin with… |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Yeah, I'm sticking my neck out by making a prediction, but I think the upcoming patch will prove me out.
The problem isn't the prediction ù it's that you're blowing it wa-a-ay out of proportion rather than think about what effects it will have on everyone and consider how to take advantage those effects.
Begin by considering why you need falcons on the gate to begin withà
It's to stop Falcons from jamming me. Why else would I have one? |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:35:00 -
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And why would you then need a falcon if the enemy falcons have to get within pulsepoc range for example? |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
It's to stop Falcons from jamming me. Why else would I have one?
…and there is no other solution to that problem, is there? |
Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:41:00 -
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Do you know what a carebear is, noob? |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 31/01/2009 14:44:27
Sounds like the pirates were a bunch of noobs anyways if all they ever used was falcons.
I guess people decide to bring their own falcons to counter possible enemy falcons because it's the easiest laziest option and then that spread like an epidemic.
You seem pretty confident it's going to be the range nerf when nothing is set in stone. Although I'd agree with the range nerf.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
And why would you then need a falcon if the enemy falcons have to get within pulsepoc range for example?
A myriad of reasons: Pulse Apocs can't fit enough ECCM to deal with Falcons, they can't operate under sentry fire (no tank on sniper ships), and they're extremely vulnerable to other enemy BS (since they again have no tank). Pulse Apocs and any other sniper BS operating at fairly close range will be the first ships targeted and destroyed, if for no other reason than they have little to no tank and are easy kills.
I would have thought that stuff like the above were so obvious as to not need being stated, but I guess not. It's like everyone just started PVPing yesterday.
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Do you know what a carebear is, noob?
Anyone other than myself. 
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 31/01/2009 15:00:51
Sniper Battleship pair, remote ECCM'ing each other?
I don't think that supposedly large short range guns of amarr were designed so you could have your cake and eat it though.
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Grunanca
Mean Corp
Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.01.31 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Grunanca
Maybe if you stopped basing wheter or not to fight on who has most falcons, you would see how brilliant reducing the range a lot will be. The falcon is plain broken and if they fially get within range of the ships loaded with eccm modules, they are way more likely to die. I havent had the pleasure of a falcon in my gangs for months, but somehow a fleet can turn into a nasty surprise if all fit eccm and falcons even get shorter range.
It's not brilliant. Once Falcons can't be used outside sentry range, pirates won't be able to use them in combat.
Yes, it is actually quite brilliant. If you cant even think outside the box, it is just really tough to make you see the point. Could you fit 1 or 2 mods for tanking? yes... could you have remote reppers on other ships? yes. Yes, the ship wont be as effective, but same counts for any other ship you fit to survive under sentry fire.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.01.31 15:12:00 -
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Is there actually a source for all this or is someone just talking out of its arse by imagining the worst possible nerf and assume CCP will use it?
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Malcanis
I'd have a lot more sympathy if you hadn't been a falcon-whiner yourself.
Now my position can be summarised as "I told you so".
See you in W-space
Falcons need to be nerfed into the ground. But as usual, CCP will do it in the most f#cked up way possible instead of using some common sense.
That's exactly what I told you; that the cure will be worse than the disease, as it were.
You whined like a little female dog for a Falcon nerf instead of asking for the counters to be boosted, and now you're going to be the little female dog of the non-pirates because of the nerf.
So suck it up, little female dog, and learn your lesson when it comes to whining for nerfs.
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Aeo IV
Amarr
Xomic OmniCorporation
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Posted - 2009.01.31 15:17:00 -
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Meh.
Call me when my curse can neut you from another solar system.
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.31 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Grunanca
Maybe if you stopped basing wheter or not to fight on who has most falcons, you would see how brilliant reducing the range a lot will be. The falcon is plain broken and if they fially get within range of the ships loaded with eccm modules, they are way more likely to die. I havent had the pleasure of a falcon in my gangs for months, but somehow a fleet can turn into a nasty surprise if all fit eccm and falcons even get shorter range.
It's not brilliant. Once Falcons can't be used outside sentry range, pirates won't be able to use them in combat.
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is that a bad thing? Oh no we won't see falcons like how we don't see all the other races ewar ships on gates.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Is there actually a source for all this or is someone just talking out of its arse by imagining the worst possible nerf and assume CCP will use it?
Completely arse-issued.
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Vasili Z
Foundation
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.01.31 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aeo IV
Call me when my curse can neut you from another solar system.
win
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