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Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.08.05 20:44:00 - [361] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 05/08/2004 20:46:10 I'll give you this Diamond Dog, I am an ungiving person, and I don't have a great deal of time for those that cannot keep their word or maintain their pledge of honour. Much has been made of statements I have given on piracy and criminality and such, but you know, I have more respect for a pirate who tolls a victim and keeps their word to let them go than I do for an alliance member who stabs another alliance member in the back, so yes, I would say I certainly have a personality that is prone to vengeance and long term retribution. That said of course, things were improving between our corporations and the Phoenix Alliance prior to this war, and though I might be disinclined to forgive past wrongs I am not impractical, and the vision of a free north united in commercial prosperity against the external threats and malign presence of the Curse Allaince was something big enough for me to keep my personal feelings in check for the greater good. So please don't think this is all about about revenge. Now the war has happened many of us are looking at each other and saying "we knew the character of our enemies would bring us to this pass" but I simply don't believe there would ever have been an impetous to war had the PA not broken its word on the CDI issue. I know its difficult for you chaps to believe that, But really, Its the simple truth and unless you can understand our thinking on this you are just speaking a different language to us. JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.08.05 20:44:00 - [362] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 05/08/2004 20:46:10 I'll give you this Diamond Dog, I am an ungiving person, and I don't have a great deal of time for those that cannot keep their word or maintain their pledge of honour. Much has been made of statements I have given on piracy and criminality and such, but you know, I have more respect for a pirate who tolls a victim and keeps their word to let them go than I do for an alliance member who stabs another alliance member in the back, so yes, I would say I certainly have a personality that is prone to vengeance and long term retribution. That said of course, things were improving between our corporations and the Phoenix Alliance prior to this war, and though I might be disinclined to forgive past wrongs I am not impractical, and the vision of a free north united in commercial prosperity against the external threats and malign presence of the Curse Allaince was something big enough for me to keep my personal feelings in check for the greater good. So please don't think this is all about about revenge. Now the war has happened many of us are looking at each other and saying "we knew the character of our enemies would bring us to this pass" but I simply don't believe there would ever have been an impetous to war had the PA not broken its word on the CDI issue. I know its difficult for you chaps to believe that, But really, Its the simple truth and unless you can understand our thinking on this you are just speaking a different language to us. JF Public Forum
Leila Numanor	Posted - 2004.08.05 20:49:00 - [363] Start your own damn thread ! :P ==Taimar > wars rock man. gotta hand it ot you guys. was getting boring until now. ManicMiner > what corp/s alliance/s would you like to recieve an evemail from asking you to retract the war==
Leila Numanor	Posted - 2004.08.05 20:49:00 - [364] Start your own damn thread ! :P ==Taimar > wars rock man. gotta hand it ot you guys. was getting boring until now. ManicMiner > what corp/s alliance/s would you like to recieve an evemail from asking you to retract the war==
Diamond Dog	Posted - 2004.08.05 20:53:00 - [365] fair enough ________________________________________
Diamond Dog	Posted - 2004.08.05 20:53:00 - [366] fair enough ________________________________________
Ramiel Var	Posted - 2004.08.05 21:43:00 - [367] Just wondering when exactly this turned from a SNIGG sayin BNC you suck for killing our people while we were working together, to a full blown political discusion on the political aspects of the NVA/PA war...which might I add we've all gone thru and read many times before. Not tryin to flame, however me and mine work with NCA/NVA..whatever the hell its called, and fly thru EC quite often...and until I came across this thread was under the impression that SNIGG were not to be shot at, and quite frankly as long as they aint shooting me and mine, I dont care what they decide to do to further thier corporation... So in closing, SNIGG this is to you fellows, should I watch my back, or is everything still copesitic -Sorry for the lack of PC skillz, dont forum post often unless Im being n00bish and have some game question.. Thanks Much -RAM
Ramiel Var	Posted - 2004.08.05 21:43:00 - [368] Just wondering when exactly this turned from a SNIGG sayin BNC you suck for killing our people while we were working together, to a full blown political discusion on the political aspects of the NVA/PA war...which might I add we've all gone thru and read many times before. Not tryin to flame, however me and mine work with NCA/NVA..whatever the hell its called, and fly thru EC quite often...and until I came across this thread was under the impression that SNIGG were not to be shot at, and quite frankly as long as they aint shooting me and mine, I dont care what they decide to do to further thier corporation... So in closing, SNIGG this is to you fellows, should I watch my back, or is everything still copesitic -Sorry for the lack of PC skillz, dont forum post often unless Im being n00bish and have some game question.. Thanks Much -RAM
Ki'li	Posted - 2004.08.05 21:48:00 - [369] i tried keeping it along the same lines about sniggs involvment. However it went from snigg vs bnc, to PA calling NCA corps pirates for NAPing sniggs. to NACs stance on Sniggs Evol and m0o to NCAs intentions in the war when its done. to trying to convince me that i was lied to by my allies. to who really started the war.
Ki'li	Posted - 2004.08.05 21:48:00 - [370] i tried keeping it along the same lines about sniggs involvment. However it went from snigg vs bnc, to PA calling NCA corps pirates for NAPing sniggs. to NACs stance on Sniggs Evol and m0o to NCAs intentions in the war when its done. to trying to convince me that i was lied to by my allies. to who really started the war.
Diamond Dog	Posted - 2004.08.05 22:10:00 - [371] Truth is a relative term.. Hell I don't even know what's true anymore ________________________________________
Diamond Dog	Posted - 2004.08.05 22:10:00 - [372] Truth is a relative term.. Hell I don't even know what's true anymore ________________________________________
Lost Dragon	Posted - 2004.08.05 22:37:00 - [373] Snigg have made their intentions clear... in my opinion this in honorable enough... Let me remind all of you that if you had not been warned many of your ships would have been sacrificed to the open asspects of space without warning... they did not lead anyone into believing they were pure.. they did not attack allied members without provocation... they have warned everyone that they are hostile and they have stated their claim... I cannot say that this is wrong in any way.. in fact i find it a admiralble quality in a PvP corp instead of relying on shadow strike tactics they have shed light on the situation... So lets let them play their game adn have their fun... even if it is at the expense of our ships.. and if u truely dont like it adn want it to cease.. then we all know what you ahve to do to accomplish this... and if you decide to take that route good luck beacuse youll need it no mater who you are... As of BNC i have known them for some time and i belive that a misunderstanding lead to this particular situation and do not accuse them of anything besides saporting adn takeing responsibility for thier corps actions ( or maybe being bored and taking advantage of a situation that left them in the rigth in the way of their long established beliefs )... These things have happened in the past and will ahppen in the future... It is imposible to ahve Water adn Oil mix for too long.. Theres my run down now can we please discuse something new PS: also i could care less whast going on as long as they are still killing PA Lost Dragon / FU - Fleet Admiral I have gone to find myself If i return before i get back keep me here fore i have many things to tell myself
Lost Dragon	Posted - 2004.08.05 22:37:00 - [374] Snigg have made their intentions clear... in my opinion this in honorable enough... Let me remind all of you that if you had not been warned many of your ships would have been sacrificed to the open asspects of space without warning... they did not lead anyone into believing they were pure.. they did not attack allied members without provocation... they have warned everyone that they are hostile and they have stated their claim... I cannot say that this is wrong in any way.. in fact i find it a admiralble quality in a PvP corp instead of relying on shadow strike tactics they have shed light on the situation... So lets let them play their game adn have their fun... even if it is at the expense of our ships.. and if u truely dont like it adn want it to cease.. then we all know what you ahve to do to accomplish this... and if you decide to take that route good luck beacuse youll need it no mater who you are... As of BNC i have known them for some time and i belive that a misunderstanding lead to this particular situation and do not accuse them of anything besides saporting adn takeing responsibility for thier corps actions ( or maybe being bored and taking advantage of a situation that left them in the rigth in the way of their long established beliefs )... These things have happened in the past and will ahppen in the future... It is imposible to ahve Water adn Oil mix for too long.. Theres my run down now can we please discuse something new PS: also i could care less whast going on as long as they are still killing PA Lost Dragon / FU - Fleet Admiral I have gone to find myself If i return before i get back keep me here fore i have many things to tell myself
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2004.08.06 00:01:00 - [375] Edited by: SlightlyMad on 06/08/2004 00:07:06 Edited by: SlightlyMad on 06/08/2004 00:05:52 Originally by: Jade Constantine That said of course, things were improving between our corporations and the Phoenix Alliance prior to this war, and though I might be disinclined to forgive past wrongs I am not impractical, and the vision of a free north united in commercial prosperity against the external threats and malign presence of the Curse Allaince was something big enough for me to keep my personal feelings in check for the greater good. I see Jade. You fight for "liberating" the North and keep regions open. That was excactly what NAST was about. And thats excactly what NAST was close to accomplish. I wont argue anything about the cause of the war or anything. Its all past and pointless. How are freedom proceeding in Vale of the Silent and Tribute. The area your allies UNICOR had? You and RKK cleaned it from pirates, right? How is freedom proceeding in PureBlind? You are cheering on Snigg, a corporation that has been notorious for attacking anyone moving through that area. I'm pretty sure about everyone of the locals down there have met them. What are your thoughts on that? Pureblind is an area that PA has activly guarded and and patroled without wanting anything back. How does that area look now. PA are shot at in that free area, right? An area PA also helped keeping open and more or less piratefree. Is "freedom" a selective word. Like.. "freedom for those I like, the rest is still shot". That doesn't sound like freedom. In your own view, how much you have accomplished so far in opening these areas "to the public"? Wait..let me rephrase.. How much you have accomplished so far in RE-opening these areas "to the public"? * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2004.08.06 00:01:00 - [376] Edited by: SlightlyMad on 06/08/2004 00:07:06 Edited by: SlightlyMad on 06/08/2004 00:05:52 Originally by: Jade Constantine That said of course, things were improving between our corporations and the Phoenix Alliance prior to this war, and though I might be disinclined to forgive past wrongs I am not impractical, and the vision of a free north united in commercial prosperity against the external threats and malign presence of the Curse Allaince was something big enough for me to keep my personal feelings in check for the greater good. I see Jade. You fight for "liberating" the North and keep regions open. That was excactly what NAST was about. And thats excactly what NAST was close to accomplish. I wont argue anything about the cause of the war or anything. Its all past and pointless. How are freedom proceeding in Vale of the Silent and Tribute. The area your allies UNICOR had? You and RKK cleaned it from pirates, right? How is freedom proceeding in PureBlind? You are cheering on Snigg, a corporation that has been notorious for attacking anyone moving through that area. I'm pretty sure about everyone of the locals down there have met them. What are your thoughts on that? Pureblind is an area that PA has activly guarded and and patroled without wanting anything back. How does that area look now. PA are shot at in that free area, right? An area PA also helped keeping open and more or less piratefree. Is "freedom" a selective word. Like.. "freedom for those I like, the rest is still shot". That doesn't sound like freedom. In your own view, how much you have accomplished so far in opening these areas "to the public"? Wait..let me rephrase.. How much you have accomplished so far in RE-opening these areas "to the public"? * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo
Wraeththu	Posted - 2004.08.06 00:06:00 - [377] Originally by: Diamond Dog Truth is a relative term.. Hell I don't even know what's true anymore Truth is absolute and infutable. Interpretation through humanity's flawed input mechanisms instils that chaos. There's a reason we have two eyes. Because a single source is insufficent to detect all the information (such as distance). Imagine if you had 1000 eyes, or maybe a million, and they saw in every spectrum of particle movement? Think of all the things you'd see that you'd never knew about? Those 1000 eyes exist. It's spread about the game, these forums, other forums. It just takes some time to filter in through our proverbial '300 baud modem' before the necessary cross-referencing can be performed. -- TomB: End the speed-race. 1 propulsion mod allowed, make turrets affect ship attributes like +speed/+ab speed +agil for progressivly smaller/lighter turrets, -speed/-ab speed -agil for long-range.
Wraeththu	Posted - 2004.08.06 00:06:00 - [378] Originally by: Diamond Dog Truth is a relative term.. Hell I don't even know what's true anymore Truth is absolute and infutable. Interpretation through humanity's flawed input mechanisms instils that chaos. There's a reason we have two eyes. Because a single source is insufficent to detect all the information (such as distance). Imagine if you had 1000 eyes, or maybe a million, and they saw in every spectrum of particle movement? Think of all the things you'd see that you'd never knew about? Those 1000 eyes exist. It's spread about the game, these forums, other forums. It just takes some time to filter in through our proverbial '300 baud modem' before the necessary cross-referencing can be performed. -- TomB: End the speed-race. 1 propulsion mod allowed, make turrets affect ship attributes like +speed/+ab speed +agil for progressivly smaller/lighter turrets, -speed/-ab speed -agil for long-range.
Kronarty	Posted - 2004.08.06 00:13:00 - [379] Edited by: Kronarty on 06/08/2004 00:21:34 Originally by: Jade Constantine Quote: Lets revisit the recent Halseth quote some hours ago: Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kinda true, we were asked to stay, we said we had to leave because we weren't happy with the dismissal of jf nor the accepted nap with F-E. -DB Preacher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How could you possibly say this with a straight face? The NAP with the FE came MONTHS after the PA was formed. - Halseth In the light of the document I just provided which was Halseth advocating Full Political Union with the FE on the eve of the NVA breakup and Jericho Fraction ejection. That possibility was discussed, evaluated and finally dismissed. You want to make it seem as if the first action by the PA (NVA minus Jericho and Reikoku) had been the NAP with F-E as if it all was the same thing. No it wasn't. This is the how and when Jericho was informed (in game) of their ejection from Venal: PA was gathering a fleet to fight F-E. Jericho and its pilots were informed that they were not to operate again with PA forces and that they had a rather generous amount of time to leave Venal and take their belongings with them. Let me stress this: "PA was gathering a fleet to fight F-E." Wow, so we were fighting F-E after ejecting you. And we did so for MONTHS. So there goes your "they kicked me because of F-E NAP" conspiracy theory. F-E NAP was signed MONTHS later, when we were fighting Evolution and we wanted to not have to worry about our southern borders. Don't think everything in this world revolves around you, that NAP had NOTHING to do with you, it had EVERYTHING to do with the PA Council making a wise decision in the middle of a war. It has been explained lots of times but as Mistress Jade seems to have some sort of reading comprehension problem, I will repeat: "NAP means you don't shoot me I don't shoot you" It is not a marriage, or an alliance, or a mutual defense pact, or even a coalition to attack common enemies like NCA with S******dly. It is a simple statement. You don't attack me, I don't attack you. That NAP was 100% respected by F-E as long as F-E existed. I wish FU and COD had 1% the honor F-E showed us while that NAP existed.
Kronarty	Posted - 2004.08.06 00:13:00 - [380] Edited by: Kronarty on 06/08/2004 00:21:34 Originally by: Jade Constantine Quote: Lets revisit the recent Halseth quote some hours ago: Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kinda true, we were asked to stay, we said we had to leave because we weren't happy with the dismissal of jf nor the accepted nap with F-E. -DB Preacher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How could you possibly say this with a straight face? The NAP with the FE came MONTHS after the PA was formed. - Halseth In the light of the document I just provided which was Halseth advocating Full Political Union with the FE on the eve of the NVA breakup and Jericho Fraction ejection. That possibility was discussed, evaluated and finally dismissed. You want to make it seem as if the first action by the PA (NVA minus Jericho and Reikoku) had been the NAP with F-E as if it all was the same thing. No it wasn't. This is the how and when Jericho was informed (in game) of their ejection from Venal: PA was gathering a fleet to fight F-E. Jericho and its pilots were informed that they were not to operate again with PA forces and that they had a rather generous amount of time to leave Venal and take their belongings with them. Let me stress this: "PA was gathering a fleet to fight F-E." Wow, so we were fighting F-E after ejecting you. And we did so for MONTHS. So there goes your "they kicked me because of F-E NAP" conspiracy theory. F-E NAP was signed MONTHS later, when we were fighting Evolution and we wanted to not have to worry about our southern borders. Don't think everything in this world revolves around you, that NAP had NOTHING to do with you, it had EVERYTHING to do with the PA Council making a wise decision in the middle of a war. It has been explained lots of times but as Mistress Jade seems to have some sort of reading comprehension problem, I will repeat: "NAP means you don't shoot me I don't shoot you" It is not a marriage, or an alliance, or a mutual defense pact, or even a coalition to attack common enemies like NCA with S******dly. It is a simple statement. You don't attack me, I don't attack you. That NAP was 100% respected by F-E as long as F-E existed. I wish FU and COD had 1% the honor F-E showed us while that NAP existed.
Ki'li	Posted - 2004.08.06 00:28:00 - [381] Originally by: SlightlyMad Edited by: SlightlyMad on 06/08/2004 00:07:06 Edited by: SlightlyMad on 06/08/2004 00:05:52 Originally by: Jade Constantine That said of course, things were improving between our corporations and the Phoenix Alliance prior to this war, and though I might be disinclined to forgive past wrongs I am not impractical, and the vision of a free north united in commercial prosperity against the external threats and malign presence of the Curse Allaince was something big enough for me to keep my personal feelings in check for the greater good. I see Jade. You fight for "liberating" the North and keep regions open. That was excactly what NAST was about. And thats excactly what NAST was close to accomplish. I wont argue anything about the cause of the war or anything. Its all past and pointless. How are freedom proceeding in Vale of the Silent and Tribute. The area your allies UNICOR had? You and RKK cleaned it from pirates, right? How is freedom proceeding in PureBlind? You are cheering on Snigg, a corporation that has been notorious for attacking anyone moving through that area. I'm pretty sure about everyone of the locals down there have met them. What are your thoughts on that? Pureblind is an area that PA has activly guarded and and patroled without wanting anything back. How does that area look now. PA are shot at in that free area, right? An area PA also helped keeping open and more or less piratefree. Is "freedom" a selective word. Like.. "freedom for those I like, the rest is still shot". That doesn't sound like freedom. In your own view, how much you have accomplished so far in opening these areas "to the public"? Wait..let me rephrase.. How much you have accomplished so far in RE-opening these areas "to the public"? First of all NCA is not cheering on Sniggs we are meerly tolerating them. It is a NAP not an alliance. If you want to know why the PA patrolled for pirates? RKK was one of the leading corps along with a few others (that are now fighitng against the PA) which patrolled for pirates in Pureblind. NCA were doing most of the patroling for pirates and now you are giving the current PA the credit for NCA work. One sector has been claimed and you act as if the galaxy is in shambles and its the NCAs fault? You cant expect us to "patrol" for pirates at our leisure when we are at war. EC-P8R is 1 jump from empire space. If you want sniggs gone gather a group and clear them out. the NCA is 31 jumps north of EC-P8R in BKG fighting. We are not police.
Ki'li	Posted - 2004.08.06 00:28:00 - [382] Originally by: SlightlyMad Edited by: SlightlyMad on 06/08/2004 00:07:06 Edited by: SlightlyMad on 06/08/2004 00:05:52 Originally by: Jade Constantine That said of course, things were improving between our corporations and the Phoenix Alliance prior to this war, and though I might be disinclined to forgive past wrongs I am not impractical, and the vision of a free north united in commercial prosperity against the external threats and malign presence of the Curse Allaince was something big enough for me to keep my personal feelings in check for the greater good. I see Jade. You fight for "liberating" the North and keep regions open. That was excactly what NAST was about. And thats excactly what NAST was close to accomplish. I wont argue anything about the cause of the war or anything. Its all past and pointless. How are freedom proceeding in Vale of the Silent and Tribute. The area your allies UNICOR had? You and RKK cleaned it from pirates, right? How is freedom proceeding in PureBlind? You are cheering on Snigg, a corporation that has been notorious for attacking anyone moving through that area. I'm pretty sure about everyone of the locals down there have met them. What are your thoughts on that? Pureblind is an area that PA has activly guarded and and patroled without wanting anything back. How does that area look now. PA are shot at in that free area, right? An area PA also helped keeping open and more or less piratefree. Is "freedom" a selective word. Like.. "freedom for those I like, the rest is still shot". That doesn't sound like freedom. In your own view, how much you have accomplished so far in opening these areas "to the public"? Wait..let me rephrase.. How much you have accomplished so far in RE-opening these areas "to the public"? First of all NCA is not cheering on Sniggs we are meerly tolerating them. It is a NAP not an alliance. If you want to know why the PA patrolled for pirates? RKK was one of the leading corps along with a few others (that are now fighitng against the PA) which patrolled for pirates in Pureblind. NCA were doing most of the patroling for pirates and now you are giving the current PA the credit for NCA work. One sector has been claimed and you act as if the galaxy is in shambles and its the NCAs fault? You cant expect us to "patrol" for pirates at our leisure when we are at war. EC-P8R is 1 jump from empire space. If you want sniggs gone gather a group and clear them out. the NCA is 31 jumps north of EC-P8R in BKG fighting. We are not police.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.08.06 00:37:00 - [383] I was going to answer Kronarty but I think Notferr has stolen the show ;) And to you SlightlyMad, you have not appreciated the reasons for the war. Look the answer I gave Diamond Dog. We aren't fighting to free regions and oppose piracy or some such thing. We are fighting to neutralise a malign alliance that tried to bully our friends. Jericho Fraction's freespace ideology has had to wait, because with a malign PA in the picture nothing of that sort could occur anyhow. Hence for you to portray the current chaotic situation in the north as a disaster for freespace is somewhat missing the point. It was always going to get worse before it got better. I agree its ironic that both sides of the war tend to view themselves as "right" and "just" and "defenders of x y and z regions" etc, but it really is as simple as the answer I gave to Diamond Dog. This war is about the PA not keeping its word. And nothing else. JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.08.06 00:37:00 - [384] I was going to answer Kronarty but I think Notferr has stolen the show ;) And to you SlightlyMad, you have not appreciated the reasons for the war. Look the answer I gave Diamond Dog. We aren't fighting to free regions and oppose piracy or some such thing. We are fighting to neutralise a malign alliance that tried to bully our friends. Jericho Fraction's freespace ideology has had to wait, because with a malign PA in the picture nothing of that sort could occur anyhow. Hence for you to portray the current chaotic situation in the north as a disaster for freespace is somewhat missing the point. It was always going to get worse before it got better. I agree its ironic that both sides of the war tend to view themselves as "right" and "just" and "defenders of x y and z regions" etc, but it really is as simple as the answer I gave to Diamond Dog. This war is about the PA not keeping its word. And nothing else. JF Public Forum
Lost Dragon	Posted - 2004.08.06 00:41:00 - [385] Originally by: Jade Constantine I was going to answer Kronarty but I think Notferr has stolen the show ;) And to you SlightlyMad, you have not appreciated the reasons for the war. Look the answer I gave Diamond Dog. We aren't fighting to free regions and oppose piracy or some such thing. We are fighting to neutralise a malign alliance that tried to bully our friends. Jericho Fraction's freespace ideology has had to wait, because with a malign PA in the picture nothing of that sort could occur anyhow. Hence for you to portray the current chaotic situation in the north as a disaster for freespace is somewhat missing the point. It was always going to get worse before it got better. I agree its ironic that both sides of the war tend to view themselves as "right" and "just" and "defenders of x y and z regions" etc, but it really is as simple as the answer I gave to Diamond Dog. This war is about the PA not keeping its word. And nothing else. Well said Jade. LOL snigg is gonna kill us all just for being A**s on their post though but at least we have kept their name at the top for some 5 days or so Lost Dragon / FU - Fleet Admiral I have gone to find myself If i return before i get back keep me here fore i have many things to tell myself
Lost Dragon	Posted - 2004.08.06 00:41:00 - [386] Originally by: Jade Constantine I was going to answer Kronarty but I think Notferr has stolen the show ;) And to you SlightlyMad, you have not appreciated the reasons for the war. Look the answer I gave Diamond Dog. We aren't fighting to free regions and oppose piracy or some such thing. We are fighting to neutralise a malign alliance that tried to bully our friends. Jericho Fraction's freespace ideology has had to wait, because with a malign PA in the picture nothing of that sort could occur anyhow. Hence for you to portray the current chaotic situation in the north as a disaster for freespace is somewhat missing the point. It was always going to get worse before it got better. I agree its ironic that both sides of the war tend to view themselves as "right" and "just" and "defenders of x y and z regions" etc, but it really is as simple as the answer I gave to Diamond Dog. This war is about the PA not keeping its word. And nothing else. Well said Jade. LOL snigg is gonna kill us all just for being A**s on their post though but at least we have kept their name at the top for some 5 days or so Lost Dragon / FU - Fleet Admiral I have gone to find myself If i return before i get back keep me here fore i have many things to tell myself
LLeBRing	Posted - 2004.08.06 00:43:00 - [387] actually notferr's replies are pointless and contribute nothing. Likes to see his face on the boards. On another note you guys need to make your own thread because this one turned into something extremely pathetic and is way off topic. Let's go someone else make one, you know you want to... Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
LLeBRing	Posted - 2004.08.06 00:43:00 - [388] actually notferr's replies are pointless and contribute nothing. Likes to see his face on the boards. On another note you guys need to make your own thread because this one turned into something extremely pathetic and is way off topic. Let's go someone else make one, you know you want to... Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
Diamond Dog	Posted - 2004.08.06 01:11:00 - [389] Malign in your opinion.. And forcing your views about others is just wrong. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone cause hell everyones doing it. But still I find the reasons for the war kinda petty compared to all the stuff that's been spewed on these forums.. Wouldn't you agree. ________________________________________
Diamond Dog	Posted - 2004.08.06 01:11:00 - [390] Malign in your opinion.. And forcing your views about others is just wrong. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone cause hell everyones doing it. But still I find the reasons for the war kinda petty compared to all the stuff that's been spewed on these forums.. Wouldn't you agree. ________________________________________

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