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Gangleri
Amarr Vigilia Valeria Expeditionary Forces
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Posted - 2009.02.03 08:38:00 -
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Corporations and pod pilots that have committed crimes against the Empire, its citizens or pilots flying with a neutral allegiance within the borders of the Amarr Empire have chosen themselves to be hunted down within the borders of our Empire. The fact that they joined the Amarr Militia under the "Emergency Militia War Powers Act" does not give them amnesty or salvation for their crimes nor does it give them legal protection. Every pirate has the chance of salvation, and if these pirates within the ranks of our militia are truly faithful to the Empire then they should demonstrate this by seeking redemption. It is again their choice not to do so and if they choice not to do so then every law obeying pod pilot, within CVA or not, has the full right to hunt down these pirates that are hiding within the ranks of the Amarr Militia. The Vigilia Valeria alliance has announced a clear statement on this matter.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.03 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gangleri and if these pirates within the ranks of our militia are truly faithful to the Empire then they should demonstrate this by seeking redemption.
Joining your militia and serving your ***** empress isn't an act of redemption in and of itself? Or are you saying that the Amarr Empire only authorizes CVA sanctioned criminal activity in the bleaks?
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Dantalus Portos
Amarr Vigilia Valeria Expeditionary Forces
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Posted - 2009.02.03 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Dantalus Portos on 03/02/2009 12:08:24 Edited by: Dantalus Portos on 03/02/2009 12:08:11
Originally by: Kazzzi Joining your militia and serving your ***** empress isn't an act of redemption in and of itself?[/quote
That is precisely Marshall Gangleri's point. A pirate that passes the frankly lax admission procedures to join the Amarr Militia is still a pirate. Redemption starts with diplomacy, renouncing past piratical deeds and making appropriate compensation to those parties that have suffered by these deeds. Thus begins the process of removing a pilot or entity from the KOS list.
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.03 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Isaac Starstriker If this wasn't true, then the various corporations of both alliances would join Factional Warfare and fight under the banner of the Gallente or Minmatar. NOT the banner of the Heretics or Star Faction Alliance.
Until then, they are working for their own selfish reasons.
--Isaac
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.03 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
The only solution I can see to this is that CVA leave the field of battle and go hide back in Providence.
Interestingly enough, Hardin's solution seems to be working out just fine: shortly after this very announcement, CVA and Severance forces polished off an x13 tower in Sahtogas without incident from 24th Imperial Crusade forces. I was part of the small advance element which visited the tower as it was still in reinforced to ensure all of its weapons were out of commission. We encountered several of the non-red pilots and organizations who have complained in this very discussion of CVA heavy-handedness, and there was no shooting, no hostile words, no problems of any kind.
While in the area, we reported strongholds, hostiles, and offered assistance against any large pirate or Minmatar Militia fleets that may have been around (there were none). This was a personal choice of the pilots in our fleet.
The primary issues that have changed for CVA is that such cooperation is no longer CVA policy, and that we will no longer behave towards the Crusade in a way that is diplomatically expedient...but tactically expedient. When a CVA/Holders engagement against our reds turns into a fight with neutrals supporting CVA hostiles, we will simply clear the field of any vessels engaged in hostilities against our forces and leave it at that. This was not previously how the situation was handled. |
Heromann
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Posted - 2009.02.03 17:54:00 -
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Some of you missed the point there.
It's easy for CVA, UK, UM to stay in their own little space and condemn action of the militia when they are NOT in the fight. Do they support the militia every once an a while? Sure, but only when it is advantageous to themselves.
Heretics are IN the miltia.
Star Fraction FIGHTS in the war space.
CVA, UK, UM, etc sit in their 0.0 space fighting for themselves and THEIR territory, not the respective empires they claim to assist.
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.03 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: MirrorGod
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker If this wasn't true, then the various corporations of both alliances would join Factional Warfare and fight under the banner of the Gallente or Minmatar. NOT the banner of the Heretics or Star Faction Alliance.
Until then, they are working for their own selfish reasons.
--Isaac
Go ahead and check out where Heretic Army is enlisted, please.
My terrible bad. I thought the Heretic Alliance was still around. But my point still stands about the Star Faction. Regardless of whether or not they "own space" it is still their selfish reasons that they engage Amarrian forces in the bleak Lands. Not for Minmatar.
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Elise Randolph
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.03 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Interestingly enough, Hardin's solution seems to be working out just fine: shortly after this very announcement, CVA and Severance forces polished off an x13 tower in Sahtogas without incident from 24th Imperial Crusade forces. I was part of the small advance element which visited the tower as it was still in reinforced to ensure all of its weapons were out of commission. We encountered several of the non-red pilots and organizations who have complained in this very discussion of CVA heavy-handedness, and there was no shooting, no hostile words, no problems of any kind.
It was my understand from this announcement that CVA declared they would attack the Amarr Militia, not the other way around. And secondly, I wouldn't say that the reluctance of a smaller force to attack a larger one connotes a successful policy. If a small CVA force ran upon a larger Slacker Industries force and decided not to engage, I wouldn't take that to mean CVA rethought their standings towards us and decided we were no longer "heathen pirates".
Originally by: Garreck
While in the area, we reported strongholds, hostiles, and offered assistance against any large pirate or Minmatar Militia fleets that may have been around (there were none). This was a personal choice of the pilots in our fleet. The primary issues that have changed for CVA is that such cooperation is no longer CVA policy, and that we will no longer behave towards the Crusade in a way that is diplomatically expedient...but tactically expedient.
I was under the impression that pursuing CVA interests was CVA's modus operandi from the start, and this was confirmed by their actions and even their statements.
Again, what I take issue with here is not CVA's policy - I could care less of the policy - but of implications that previously the CVA were noble and helpful in their relations with the Militia. The only times I noticed, or even heard of, the helping hand of CVA is when certain CVA pilots decided to dismiss protocol and assist "reds", much like your advanced fleet did today.
From last week to this week nothing has changed with the CVA's actions towards the Militia, so the only thing that rational minds are left to believe is that this announcement was either: a means to get attention, or intentional promulgation of disinformation. |
Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.03 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Garreck on 03/02/2009 18:41:03
Originally by: Elise Randolph
It was my understand from this announcement that CVA declared they would attack the Amarr Militia, not the other way around.
Allow me to clarify, then:
It has always been CVA policy to engage CVA reds in the Crusade. However, it has also been CVA policy to try and handle the diplomatic fallout when neutrals became involved who had no idea of the standings issue between CVA and our targets. This manifested itself sometimes as reparations paid to neutrals who lost their ships in the confusion, and also manifested itself as the rejection of "KOS requests" against neutrals simply acting to defend against what they viewed as hostilities from CVA towards the Crusade (rather than a target within the Crusade).
The policy is now to continue to engage our enemies within the Crusade, and to further engage any who defend them without remorse or concern or any diplomatic actions on their behalf. If CVA vessels are fired upon by any in the Militia for any reason, CVA vessels will simply handle the tactical situation at hand by clearing the field of any aggressive vessels. There will no longer be diplomatic follow-up.
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Reilly Jax
Amarr Freespace Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.03 20:09:00 -
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This is actualy a pretty sweet deal for CVA & team.
Allow me to explain, see, the minnies they are purely KOS to the amarr militia, so if an amarr fleet engages them, the full brunt of its force is applied. either resulting in the termination of said fleet, or the defeat of the attacking fleet, but there isnt any hesitation to engaged.
With this ROE set, CVA & co can wander around the bleaks hunting for their "reds". when they find them, they get to apply all of the force of their collective fleet to the "reds". The individuals who are being attacked will respond in kind, but their support, depending on composition, could hesistate, or flat out refuse to engage. CVA applying 100% of its force to their objective will only recieve a fraction of force in return, if even for only a few secods. it gives the a HUGE advantage...
many of you are aware how having the initiative in combat is the key to victory. with this rule set, CVA will always have the initiative. They will be able to cull fleets of key members, and then respond to those who REACT to their agression.
This is a Fleet Commanders DREAM, hats off to you guys.
So what if that fleet was headed over to Lantorn or kourmonen to push a 20 strong fleet of minnies out of a major unrestricted, that could verywell flip the system. before they ran into cva the had 25, afterwards they had 8, those 8 should have NO problem what so ever of pushing those still remaining minnie folks out of that plex... oh wait.
the key thing here is, the enemey... you konw, the guys who bombed amarr prime, murdered millions in an overt act of agression, well they take 0 losses and achieve their objective without incident, then they move on and gank a few FW folks running about.
Hats off to CVA, the Amarrian RP alliance who has sworn to defend the empire, the UK couldnt do a better job if they tried.
The truth is in CVA & co's actions... they could give two sh**s about FW. They want to get their gun off, their targets arent in amarr/prov lowsec so they will move to where they are, in the bleak lands and the metropolis region.
It will be neat to see long time and staunch allies... on their killboard.
Just remember folks... the only people who can betray you are your friends and family.
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.03 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 03/02/2009 20:55:08
Originally by: Reilly Jax
The truth is in CVA & co's actions... they could give two sh**s about FW. They want to get their gun off, their targets arent in amarr/prov lowsec so they will move to where they are, in the bleak lands and the metropolis region.
1) I would suggest you actually read the first post again before posting further. Primarily the sentence highlighted in bold:
While neither CVA, nor our allies, will be deliberately seeking out fights with criminals in the Amarr Militia (and of course the entirety of the Minmatar Militia remains KOS to us), neither will be prevented from doing business in and patrolling areas of low-sec Amarrian space - and if this leads to clashes with reds in the Militia then so be it.
2) CVA already has plenty of targets in low-sec Domain/Derelik and Providence. Approximately 25 billion ISK worth of targets every WEEK. We have no need to hunt reds in Bleaks to find targets. However we will no longer give criminal Militia pilots the 'benefit of the doubt' when the entering the Deliverance area, nor do we expect our allies such as sev3rance who have trade/industrial interests the Bleaklands to ignore pirating by Militia members.
3) Pirates attacking Amarrian shipping in low-sec are in our view as much of an enemy to the Empire as the Minmatar rebels are. That is why the CVA has focused on developing law and order in low-sec Amarrian space and Holy Amarrian Providence. That is why the areas patrolled by us and our allies are amongst the most populated and thriving in the Galaxy. We cannot allow the security of Amarrian space to be put a risk by pirates using the Crusade as an excuse to escape justice.
4) We recognise the importance of the Crusade to the Empire and have indeed provided it with much support. However it is our view that the in the longer term the Militia will be strengthened when its has purged those elements of it which have no true loyalty to the Empire and are simply seeking a quick ISK and some glamourous titles. While some may see our anti-pirate commitment as 'obstructive' we consider it more of a 'pruning' which will strength the Militia and the Empire in the long run. The Amarr have always been a patient race and we don't seek an easy way out or 'victory at all costs'. We can no longer ignore the criminal acts of 'some' pilots in the Crusade who believe their membership of the Crusade legitimises their criminality.
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Reilly Jax
Amarr Freespace Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.03 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 03/02/2009 20:55:08
Originally by: Reilly Jax
The truth is in CVA & co's actions... they could give two sh**s about FW. They want to get their gun off, their targets arent in amarr/prov lowsec so they will move to where they are, in the bleak lands and the metropolis region.
1) I would suggest you actually read the first post again before posting further. Primarily the sentence highlighted in bold:
While neither CVA, nor our allies, will be deliberately seeking out fights with criminals in the Amarr Militia (and of course the entirety of the Minmatar Militia remains KOS to us), neither will be prevented from doing business in and patrolling areas of low-sec Amarrian space - and if this leads to clashes with reds in the Militia then so be it.
2) CVA already has plenty of targets in low-sec Domain/Derelik and Providence. Approximately 25 billion ISK worth of targets every WEEK. We have no need to hunt reds in Bleaks to find targets. However we will no longer give criminal Militia pilots the 'benefit of the doubt' when the entering the Deliverance area, nor do we expect our allies such as sev3rance who have trade/industrial interests the Bleaklands to ignore pirating by Militia members.
3) Pirates attacking Amarrian shipping in low-sec are in our view as much of an enemy to the Empire as the Minmatar rebels are. That is why the CVA has focused on developing law and order in low-sec Amarrian space and Holy Amarrian Providence. That is why the areas patrolled by us and our allies are amongst the most populated and thriving in the Galaxy. We cannot allow the security of Amarrian space to be put a risk by pirates using the Crusade as an excuse to escape justice.
4) We recognise the importance of the Crusade to the Empire and have indeed provided it with much support. However it is our view that the in the longer term the Militia will be strengthened when its has purged those elements of it which have no true loyalty to the Empire and are simply seeking a quick ISK and some glamourous titles. While some may see our anti-pirate commitment as 'obstructive' we consider it more of a 'pruning' which will strength the Militia and the Empire in the long run. The Amarr have always been a patient race and we don't seek an easy way out or 'victory at all costs'. We can no longer ignore the criminal acts of 'some' pilots in the Crusade who believe their membership of the Crusade legitimises their criminality.
I appologise, i missed that when i read it the first time. Im sure you can understand my position having missed that part.
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Saint Hauler
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Posted - 2009.02.03 23:56:00 -
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*The screen flickers as the neocom starts up*
Yeah - CVA and the Amarr Militia
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Foolish Bob
Caldari The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2009.02.04 00:44:00 -
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wait, wait, back up a little bit here...
there are PIRATES in the Amarr Militia?!?
At the end of the day, as hard as the loyalists work, the warzone would be a very different place if those of us who fight for the fight itself rather than for some lofty goal were not present. The truth of that matter is that, assuming CVA do want to see the militia in any way victorious, then they have to make a choice between their principles and that victory. Not to sound all Star Fraction-y but to establish principles of warfare and loose, surely shows that those principles are not suitable for the war you wish to wage. The following quote is brought to mind:
"I sometimes dream of a land built on trust and honour, a land without lies or deceit. Then I dream of attacking that land, because they'll never suspect it"
You cannot change our nature, it was futile to try. Instead you should use it. Pay us to declare war on those that are supporting the Minmatar. Assign bounties. We will fight, just give us reason to fight your enemies more than your allies. Bring us targets and maybe we won't go hunting for our own so much.
Finally, I also suspect that there would be far less issue with piracy if the minmatar didn't spend all their time hiding either in a blob or a station, but I've ranted about that already in another place. Still nice to see that what I warned has come to pass - too bad for them really.
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Laboratory Chick
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Posted - 2009.02.04 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Hauler *The screen flickers as the neocom starts up*
Yeah - CVA and the Amarr Militia
*shrugs*
That is far more accurate than you realize....
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Romulus Maldonado
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.04 07:49:00 -
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I commend CVA for standing on its principles and support their efforts in Providence. At the fifth alliance tournament, I watched a CCP spokesperson bemoan the fact that only 19% of the New Eden population resided in null sec. To that individual, I say, look at your own maps. Every gateway into null sec has dozens of pod kills, most by pirates. Yet CVA has taken great pains to establish a free commerce zone inside their null sec holdings. Providence is a place where lawful pilots can experience great opportunity with others who respect Amarrian law. As long as CVA upholds their position of honor and support for the empire, they will have my loyalty and humble gratitude. |
Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.05 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Heromann Some of you missed the point there.
It's easy for CVA, UK, UM to stay in their own little space and condemn action of the militia when they are NOT in the fight. Do they support the militia every once an a while? Sure, but only when it is advantageous to themselves.
Heretics are IN the miltia.
Star Fraction FIGHTS in the war space.
CVA, UK, UM, etc sit in their 0.0 space fighting for themselves and THEIR territory, not the respective empires they claim to assist.
You seem to be unaware that the U'K alliance, having been prevented from joining the militia, have had more than one individual corp fighting IN the militia.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.05 11:54:00 -
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The question which arises in my mind regarding CVA's stance is what CVA care more about? Fighting piracy within the empire or territorial expansion of the empire?
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.05 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai The question which arises in my mind regarding CVA's stance is what CVA care more about? Fighting piracy within the empire or territorial expansion of the empire?
Both.
Holy Amarrian Providence grew out of efforts to control piracy in the low-sec Domain and then developed when it became clear that pirates were using Providence as a starting point for their depredations of low-sec Amarrian trade.
Slowly but surely under the auspices of 'Operation Deliverance' CVA and our loyalist allies expanded our foothold in Providence, in the process evicting the pirates and terrorists who had bases in the region. The development of our 0.0 holdings developed in tandem with the development of security and anti-piracy communities in low-sec Domain and more recently Derelik (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=947079).
Our goal is that the Empire, when it is ready, will recognise the work that CVA and our allies have undertaken in Providence and 'officially' integrate Amarrian Providence into Empire - with the Amarrian Navy stepping in to provide additional security. When this happens CVA and our allies will focus on bringing Amarrian civilisation to another region of lawless 0.0.
In the meantime we will continue to police Amarrian Providence and Amarrian low-sec vs piracy as we have always done - working alongside law-abiding pilots who, like us, wish to see Amarrian law and order prevail over lawlessness and terrorism.
While we are not currently in an expansionist phase and are focused on developing and strengthening the security of the 'Deliverance' regions we do not rule out further expansion if it is necessary to ensure the security of the Deliverance area.
If for example your terroristic alliance decided to sieze territory bordering our own we and our allies would have no option but to respond in force
Amarr Victor
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.05 15:22:00 -
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I suppose for you the expansion of the empire and the elimination of piracy is one and the same. An Amamake ruled by Amarr pirates would be as objectionable as an Amamake ruled by Minmatar pirates.
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.05 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai I suppose for you the expansion of the empire and the elimination of piracy is one and the same. An Amamake ruled by Amarr pirates would be as objectionable as an Amamake ruled by Minmatar pirates.
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
We oppose piracy in Amarrian/Ammatar space. If the lesser civilisations cannot control piracy in their claimed sovereignty it simply serves as an example of Amarrian superiority.
Are those the same lesser civilisations who's civilians make up the best part of your alliance?
Let's quit with the Amarr loyalist crap as well Hardin, your aims are purely to engulf Providence, Catch and Derelik with your sick Imperialist ideals.
I've sc****d bugs off the bottom of my boot that have more integrity than you Hardin.
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.05 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 05/02/2009 19:14:20
Originally by: Nebulous
I've sc****d bugs off the bottom of my boot that have more integrity than you Hardin.
Ah an angry terrorist. My day has been made!
The fact is that Amarrian Providence is a shining beacon of light in this troubled universe. Its sizeable and growing population is testament to our (and our allies) success in bringing law and order to what was once just a pirate infested hell-hole.
We don't force people to come here but they come because they recognise that we Amarrians provide a bedrock of civilisation and stability which no one else can.
As for our membership, yes some are from the lesser civilisations. Indeed it is precisely because they are from lesser civilisations that they have recognised that the Amarrian way is superior and are therefore as zealous as we are in protecting and developing Amarrian values!
It is inevitable that all will reach this conclusion eventually!
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Zanco Ceal
Amarr Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.02.05 21:22:00 -
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No offense Grr, but how is taking a leading role and providing fc experience, leadership and combat expertise disrupting militia operations?
How can you say that with a straight face while CVA's allies come to militia territory and gank ships right out from under our fleets as we prepare to engage the Minmatar?
Which is more disrupting?
If CVA wants to come into militia operational space and shoot their own reds with blatant disregard for how this affects militia operations then that is their prerogative.
The Militia was sanctioned by the Empire and you attacking it's forces put you in direct conflict with it's operations, regardless of your intentions. This is not up for debate. It is fact. Militia gangs will continue to defend their members from you and your allies' attack so I guess soon enough most corps within the militia will be set red to Providence holder alliances. Spin it all you want with whatever supposed high morals and high ground supremacist attitude you like but in the end you will be working fully AGAINST the efforts of the Empire to retake the lowsec area from the minmatar every time time you come to our area of operations. Amarr loyal alliances indeed.
this x2
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:55:00 -
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Frankly, I don't really see the point to this whole discussion. There has always been a wide dividing line between those loyal to the Amarrian cause and pirate. On the one hand, you have a group of people that slaughter innocents, invent whole new methods to torture and abuse women and children, and plunder the hard work of others for their own benefit. On the other hand, you have pirates. See what I mean?
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin Ah an angry terrorist. My day has been made!
yes, we're normally so fluffy and loveable. at least you've stopped calling us pirates, but im starting to understand CVA-speak. anyone hostile is a pirate, and a pirate is anyone hosile, even if they operate NRDS.
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The fact is that Amarrian Providence is a shining beacon of light in this troubled universe. Its sizeable and growing population is testament to our (and our allies) success in bringing law and order to what was once just a pirate infested hell-hole.
providence is a beacon of oppression and subjugation and the maggots wriggling through its putrid flesh are a testament to the greed of the average capsuleer, willingness to sell out any self determination and ethical sense they may have once had to suckle from the slavers' teat.
but at least you are no longer pretending to follow the will of your "divine ruler" and have finally admitted that CVA will always act in its own self interest, whatever the moral cost. |
xGradiusx
Minmatar Shoot To Thrill Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:36:00 -
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God has called for nbsi in this galaxy. CVA willstill suck until they follow that policy.
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BattleStar Crusader
Amarr Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:57:00 -
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Absinthe Brothers Consortium is part of the amarr milita, we are also KOS to providences becuase of one small misunderstanding, my corp when in fleet formation quite often froms the back bone of the fleet, and 7/10 times will be on its way to egnage a large minmitar force. Now if CVA and the providence folk attack My guys in fleet formation A) the fleet is considerably weeker and B) the fc will be gone. Now the problem is being KOS my corp falls into the criminal/pirate catacgory shoved onto use byt the KOS list. When in fact we have never pirated, agressed providence in any way or even attempted to enter, and often go in all out conflict with the pirates attacking the amarr milita.
Sense Any one
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Poreuomai I suppose for you the expansion of the empire and the elimination of piracy is one and the same. An Amamake ruled by Amarr pirates would be as objectionable as an Amamake ruled by Minmatar pirates.
We oppose piracy in Amarrian/Ammatar space. If the lesser civilisations cannot control piracy in their claimed sovereignty it simply serves as an example of Amarrian superiority.
If Amamake falls to the Amarr, then the Amarr will want to control piracy in their claimed sovereignty.
The Amarr loyalists have to ask themselves whether they would want to gain Amamake with the help of Amarr pirates or not. PIE seem to be saying Yes, CVA seem to be saying No. |
Grr
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: BattleStar Crusader Absinthe Brothers Consortium is part of the amarr milita, we are also KOS to providences becuase of one small misunderstanding, my corp when in fleet formation quite often froms the back bone of the fleet, and 7/10 times will be on its way to egnage a large minmitar force. Now if CVA and the providence folk attack My guys in fleet formation A) the fleet is considerably weeker and B) the fc will be gone. Now the problem is being KOS my corp falls into the criminal/pirate catacgory shoved onto use byt the KOS list. When in fact we have never pirated, agressed providence in any way or even attempted to enter, and often go in all out conflict with the pirates attacking the amarr milita.
Sense Any one
I'm not going to go into details here on a public forum but there are several incidents on record as to why your corp is KOS including several acts of piracy.
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