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LeeWoonJae
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Posted - 2009.02.02 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: LeeWoonJae on 02/02/2009 13:40:46
Wat do ppl think? most ppl armour tank on amarr but i was thinkin bout it and wundered whether i cud go sheild tanking instead? as amarr already have good armour. |
Misina Arlath
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.02 13:42:00 -
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Shield tank on Amarr ships is fail. (Unless certain Khanid T2 variants).
Why? Because Amarr simply doesn't have midslots for boosters, extenders, rechargers, hardeners et.c.
What Amarr has alot of is low slots. What fits in low slots? You got it, armor repairs, armor hardeners, armor plates.
Most ships barely have enough midslots to support propulsion+ewar/tackle already. |
Elurilmar
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Posted - 2009.02.02 13:42:00 -
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So you'll let your enemy go through a ****ty shield tank, only to get to a sub-par buffer.
You can test it out on me if you like. |
Leiara Knight
Gallente
The Oblivion Guard
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Posted - 2009.02.02 13:45:00 -
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Your first mistake was seeking approval on the forums. |
LeeWoonJae
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Posted - 2009.02.02 13:49:00 -
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ok makes sense. wasnt seeking approval jus asking advice. pretty new to this |
Le Poupon
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.02.02 13:52:00 -
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 Originally by: LeeWoonJae
Edited by: LeeWoonJae on 02/02/2009 13:40:46
Wat do ppl think? most ppl armour tank on amarr but i was thinkin bout it and wundered whether i cud go sheild tanking instead? as amarr already have good armour.
Bolded your mistake.
In pretty much every circumstance i've come across its always best to fit your ship according to where it is strongest as apposed to improving the parts its not so strong.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.02 14:01:00 -
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Only two amarr ships can be effectively shield tanked and thats the harbinger and arbitrator. The plus for shield tanking the harb is a capless 60~70k ehp omni tank that lets you easily fit and permarun a full rack of three heatsink boosted heavy beams or pulse. A bit better for pve than pvp due to no mids for ew but as the harb is a damage dealer you normaly have another ship tackling anyways. Arbitrator has a really good pve shield tank that lets you run missions all the way up to level 3 though a select few might be just a tad too much to tank.
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
LeeWoonJae
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Posted - 2009.02.02 14:02:00 -
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ok ill think bot that then. so 'not good sheild, great amour' as opposed to 'not bad sheild and not bad amour'?
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Brodde Dim
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2009.02.02 14:07:00 -
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Arbitrator hulls can do it successfully. But its not much point since they have very little use for damage mods in the low slots.
(Exception would be a HAM Curse)
What you are looking for are Sansha ships.
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LeeWoonJae
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Posted - 2009.02.02 14:07:00 -
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Zeba i like the sound of the seild tanked harbi can u expand a bit. u got a setup u like? |
Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.02.02 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: LeeWoonJae
ok ill think bot that then. so 'not good sheild, great amour' as opposed to 'not bad sheild and not bad amour'?
Definitely.
One task done well is better than two tasks done poorly.
For the same reason, don't mix short range and long range weapons |
Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.02.02 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: LeeWoonJae
Zeba i like the sound of the seild tanked harbi can u expand a bit. u got a setup u like?
for PVP it's popular sometimes to fit a harbinger with the largest guns in the highs (Heavy Pulse Laser IIs), a MWD, warp disruptor, and 2 large shield extenders in the mids, and in the lows 3 damage mods, a damage control, and some other stuff. shield extender rigs or resist rigs in the rig slots.
It's popular because it has similar effective HP to an armor tanked ship, but is much faster since i doesn't have any plates to slow it down. |
LeeWoonJae
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Posted - 2009.02.02 14:56:00 -
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atm i can get only bout 37k EHP out of 4 large sheild extenders |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.02 14:57:00 -
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In general Amarr ships got too few mid slots to effectively shield tank. Some ships can do it however, like the Harbinger and the Pilgrim. It all depends what you want to achive really. |
LeeWoonJae
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Posted - 2009.02.02 14:59:00 -
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im fittin harbi atm. by sheild tanking im egt alot more dps then my old setup with amrour hardening |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.02 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: LeeWoonJae
im fittin harbi atm. by sheild tanking im egt alot more dps then my old setup with amrour hardening
And another advantage is the speed you get with shields. |
LeeWoonJae
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Posted - 2009.02.02 15:10:00 -
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but thats only true without an AB on my armour hardener setup. Although the Amour setup isnt very cap stable |
LeeWoonJae
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Posted - 2009.02.02 15:33:00 -
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this is a fitting for the harbi i have..
lows:
4* named heat sinks
2* named tracking enhancers
mids:
4* named large sheild extenders
highs:
6* heavy modal beam lasers with multi freq crystals
warrior drones
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Icarus Flame
Amarr
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.02.02 15:37:00 -
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Unfortunately your Harbinger setup is useless for pvp and pve. For Christ's sake, drop at least two of the LSE's and go with MWD and scram.
4 Heat sinks is a waste, use 3 max, and pulse w/ scorch already has kickass range, so drop the TE's.
Also, please don't fit 6 guns. Everyone will laugh at you.
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LeeWoonJae
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Posted - 2009.02.02 15:40:00 -
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im going for a pve setup. and why not 6 guns?. im gonna rethink
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Havres
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Posted - 2009.02.02 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: LeeWoonJae
and why not 6 guns?
Because it can fit 7, with an utility slot to boot?
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LeeWoonJae
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Posted - 2009.02.02 15:54:00 -
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ok so for a pve setup wat wud u reccomend:
lows:
3* named heat sinks
3 lows to be filled
meds:
3* named Large sheild extenders (or shud i drop down to 2?)
1 med to be filled (afterburner?)
highs:
7* heavy pulse lasers (not enuf skills for scorch what do u suggest?)
1 high to be filled
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Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.02 16:34:00 -
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Shield tank your Curse. Works for me 11000000% better than an armour tank (provided you have the skills of course). |
achoura
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Posted - 2009.02.02 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Shield tank your Curse. Works for me 11000000% better than an armour tank (provided you have the skills of course).
Unless you want to use more than 1 td (in my case 4 atm) then you tank armour, but it doesn't come close to shields  |
Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.02 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: achoura
Originally by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Shield tank your Curse. Works for me 11000000% better than an armour tank (provided you have the skills of course).
Unless you want to use more than 1 td (in my case 4 atm) then you tank armour, but it doesn't come close to shields
Try it. |
Dues Incarnine
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Posted - 2009.02.02 16:53:00 -
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What is Nightmear?
Huh did I win a prize? |
LeeWoonJae
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Posted - 2009.02.02 17:15:00 -
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is this a better pve setup?
lows:
3* named heat sinks
1*tracking enhancer
1* EANM
1*named armour repairer (just incase)
meds:
3*LSE
1*named 10mn AB
highs:
7*heavy modal pulse lasers
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Dizeezer Velar
Caldari
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.02 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: LeeWoonJae
is this a better pve setup?
lows:
3* named heat sinks
1*tracking enhancer
1* EANM
1*named armour repairer (just incase)
meds:
3*LSE
1*named 10mn AB
highs:
7*heavy modal pulse lasers
best setup evar
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Rajere
No Trademark
Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.02 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: LeeWoonJae
is this a better pve setup?
lows:
3* named heat sinks
1*tracking enhancer
1* EANM
1*named armour repairer (just incase)
meds:
3*LSE
1*named 10mn AB
highs:
7*heavy modal pulse lasers
for pve:
7* heavy pulse, salvager (or whatever)
ab, invuln, 2* lse
dc, 3*hs, 2* pds
you're welcome.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.02.02 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Le Poupon
Originally by: LeeWoonJae
Edited by: LeeWoonJae on 02/02/2009 13:40:46
Wat do ppl think? most ppl armour tank on amarr but i was thinkin bout it and wundered whether i cud go sheild tanking instead? as amarr already have good armour.
Bolded your mistake.
In pretty much every circumstance i've come across its always best to fit your ship according to where it is strongest as apposed to improving the parts its not so strong.
Whut he said - good at one thing is very much better than mediocre at two.
As with all such things, there's exceptions, but they're uncommon, and when you know them you'll know and understand why they exist too :)
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