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Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.02.05 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Elysarian on 05/02/2009 19:31:32
Originally by: Shereza
I run an Athlon 2600+ XP CPU with 2gb of RAM and a Radeon x1650 video card (Diamond built. 512mb RAM) and the fix suggested in the original post is completely worthless to me.
Only picked out the part that's relevant to my argunent here: OLD HARDWARE! - open your case and see how much dust is trapped under your fans (all of them - CPU, GPU, Case fans and PSU) - you might be surprised...
As for the issues people are having:
Discount SLI as a cause - why? - I run SLI, I get around 200FPS in station, 600+ when warping. Discount OC - Why? - my GPU's are both overclocked, I don't overheat.
Setting Present Interval to one is only a workaround for poor cooling IMO.
For the record:
Phenom II 940 @ 3GHz (soon to OC) 2x Geforce 8800 in SLI 6GB RAM Vista x64
No overheating issues.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2009.02.05 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Shereza on 05/02/2009 20:39:47
Originally by: Elysarian Only picked out the part that's relevant to my argunent here: OLD HARDWARE! - open your case and see how much dust is trapped under your fans (all of them - CPU, GPU, Case fans and PSU) - you might be surprised...
Actually, I wouldn't be.
I cleaned out a PSU after owning it for 4 years and it took me another week to clean up all the crap that came out of it.
That aside, it's been less than a year since I last cleaned off the heat sink on my CPU and installed the video card which was pristine when it went in. RAM never builds up much dust and really the only serious dust collectors are the "backs" of my expansion cards (audio, video) which seem to attract more dust than any two heat sinks and/or fans combined.
Either way dust doesn't cause space stations in EVE to raise my GPU temperature by 10 degrees regardless of all other circumstances.
The equipment's old and it's nowhere near pristine but there's not a whole lot I can do about that, especially considering how often I have to keep the side panel off just to fiddle with the drives and such, but I can guarantee it's not the hardware that's causing this 10 degree difference in heat.
Whether they run hotter or cooler every other game I play, so far as I can tell, runs at the same temperature from start to finish. EVE is the only one with a variable temperature. ____________________
Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval. |
Kaakao
Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.05 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Kaakao on 05/02/2009 21:46:57 Try this:
http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/
Does it get your vid card hotter than EVE? It should. What I'm after here is that your cooling sucks and many games don't normally use every bit of juice your vid card has to offer. Furmark does a good job on getting the card to its max temperature. |
Shereza
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Posted - 2009.02.06 07:43:00 -
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null Originally by: Kaakao Edited by: Kaakao on 05/02/2009 22:22:04 Edited by: Kaakao on 05/02/2009 22:20:14 Edited by: Kaakao on 05/02/2009 21:46:57 Try this:
http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/
Does it get your video card hotter than EVE? It should. What I'm after here is that your cooling sucks and many games don't normally use every bit of juice your video card has to offer. FurMark does a good job on getting the card to its max temperature.
edit: Spent some time testing and measuring the temps with Rivatuner.
FurMark extreme burn running full screen (1280*1024) for 5 minutes = about 89c core temp EVE docked ~170 fps for about 5 minutes = 82c core temp EVE orbiting a station ~140 fps for about 5 minutes = 80c core temp EVE running in 1280*960 window, max graphics in game, no AA or other unsupported tweaks.
edit2: *sigh* I'm running a 8800GTS512 with stock cooler with automatic fan speed set by Rivatuner.
For myself personally the hottest my GPU went while running that benchmark was 87c and that's while I was bored and trying to surf the web too. As long as it retained focus the temperature hovered around 84c which, actually, is pretty much exactly what EVE often puts my GPU at. Most of the time while docked it's in the mid 70s but every now and then it'll run +10c over what it should, docked and undocked.
Heh, lovely benchmark program by the way, I was only pulling an average of 4 FPS or so in the burn mode @ 84-87c over a span of 7 minutes. With EVE I was pulling about 47/48 FPS @ 75c while docked (dropped to 35 FPS when I went from an arbitrator and helios to navy megathron) and 25 (when the station was in view) to 46 (when it wasn't) FPS @ 67c while undocked.
I personally don't think EVE has ever "over-heated" my video card, especially seeing as the lockups I experienced when my GPU hit 95c were still there even when it ran 10c cooler, but there's something darned odd about being docked and how it'll cause the GPU to crank out even more heat than being in the middle of combat will.
Of course the fan and heat sink on my GPU might not quite be "stock," but it's probably not the best either. ____________________
Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval. |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.06 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 06/02/2009 09:31:45
I can run multiple eve clients at outragious framerates both in space and docked and never got a bit of overheating until I turned on force v-sync with interval immediate. Thats when it shot the temp past 90c from its normal 50ish c.
This is my card and the heatsink is a complete additional card that takes up a second slot and vents outside the case.
This is the inside of my case so you can see it gets plenty of fresh cool air directly to the card in addition to the rear, front and powersupply mounted 120mm fans with an 80mm for good measure between the sidewall and cpu air funnel.
This is not inadaquate cooling at work.
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Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.02.06 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 06/02/2009 09:31:45
I can run multiple eve clients at outragious framerates both in space and docked and never got a bit of overheating until I turned on force v-sync with interval immediate. Thats when it shot the temp past 90c from its normal 50ish c.
This is my card and the heatsink is a complete additional card that takes up a second slot and vents outside the case.
This is the inside of my case so you can see it gets plenty of fresh cool air directly to the card in addition to the rear, front and powersupply mounted 120mm fans with an 80mm for good measure between the sidewall and cpu air funnel.
This is not inadaquate cooling at work.
Actually... it still could be.
That case is identical to the one my brother has - the biggest problems with a case like that are that the "funnel" over the CPU obstructs airflow to some extent and the intake fan at the front will be obstructed by your HDD(s) and the front of your case.
The rear fan and PSU fan just circulate air around the CPU & any air getting to your gfx card (if it isn't just stale air from the bottom of the case) has been warmed up some by your HDD.
You fail to mention which of your fans are set up as intake and which as exhaust (incidentally, if you have a top-mounted fan on your CPU heatsink that's bigger than 80mm then the side fan will only reduce the airflow through the funnel, if you have a side-mounted CPU fan then the 80mm is practically useless and just adding to the noise levels generated by your PC).
if you want more airflow over the GPU then I'd suggest modding the case to fit another 120mm fan where that grille is above your PCI/PCI-E slots |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.06 17:41:00 -
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And yet for all that you typed all I had to do to keep my card from overheating on the one single game it ever overheated on due to me experimenting with some settings that I probably didn't really need to experiment with that somehow caused the gpu to go into china syndrome toaster mode was to not set it at those settings and *poof* no overheating. So now as was the case before the great experiment all my games are running at max settings including eve with forced aa and hdr on multiple clients and with all that never gets the gpu past 60c. Unless of course I set the drivers to force vsync and eve to interval immediate that is. Doing that must cause some sort of air flow blockage it seems. Silly me for not figuring that out sooner.
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Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:44:00 -
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I do have one question though...
Why have CCP still not set the default for "Present Interval" to "Interval One"?
cures almost every overheating problem relating to gfx cards.
Incidentally: setting "force Vsynch" or it's equivalent to "on" in your driver should have the same effect as setting present interval to one (present interval one means Eve will only redraw once per frame - same as switching on V-synch) ===================================== It smells of spoon! ===================================== |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Elysarian I do have one question though...
Why have CCP still not set the default for "Present Interval" to "Interval One"?
cures almost every overheating problem relating to gfx cards.
Maybe they are taking the 'adapt or die' method a little too far by implimenting it into very ui and setting menus themselves?
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Dog Nob
Caldari DRAGONSLAYERS
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Posted - 2009.02.14 07:06:00 -
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When you are docked there is a very smooth and simple method to stop the heating from happening:
- activate the Map.
You will have the universe map as background and your graphic card will go back to sleeping beauty fast.
I can confirm that on my 8800 gt gfx pc i get the same issue.. the card just goes bananas when in station. the above procedure sorts it but would be nice to get ccp to implement code in game to fix it. inappropriate content in signature removed. ~WeatherMan |
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Drak'meh Grakh
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Posted - 2009.02.14 17:01:00 -
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I have the same issue when running 2 clients. Being docked in station sucks up video resources like crazy for some reason, and on warm days I have had issues with the video card fan kicking into overdrive to cool the card down. When I run 2 clients I always try to get out of station as fast as possible to avoid this issue (not to mention the horrible lag across both clients). I've played with turning off my station environment to no success. I'll try some of the other suggestions posted here and see if they make a difference.
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Arous Drephius
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.02.14 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dog Nob When you are docked there is a very smooth and simple method to stop the heating from happening:
- activate the Map.
You will have the universe map as background and your graphic card will go back to sleeping beauty fast.
I can confirm that on my 8800 gt gfx pc i get the same issue.. the card just goes bananas when in station. the above procedure sorts it but would be nice to get ccp to implement code in game to fix it.
Confirming that this works great with my 9800GT. The problem I have here is evidently related to the GPU saying a big **** you to my network card when I'm in station...
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