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Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:02:00 - [31] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 04/02/2009 22:02:30 Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 04/02/2009 19:44:25 some interesting stuff i thought i'd share watch it if you're bored sometime or w/e o/ Oh yay, more vague mystical bull****. Are you capable of doing anything but spamming youtube videos? And did you just give another rambling delusional rant about the nature of fate, when all you needed to say was "link fixed, thanks for catching it"? Here's a hint for you: maybe you've just been smoking a bit too much of your miracle drug. As for the OP: you die, you become plant food. End of discussion.
Avalira Caldari Pax Minor Asylum	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:23:00 - [32] Originally by: kor anon Despite the fact it is regarded as a rather grim subject, I'd like to ask the OOPE what they beleive when it comes to death, and whether they are afraid of it, think of it alot, etc. Personally I'm not afraid of death itself. I don't know why I should be afraid of the most natural thing in the universe, and something that is ultimately inevitable whatever i do. The only thing i fear is my life to be without meaning, quite simply put I want to be remembered for a long long time. What do I think happens when you die? Nothing, no afterlife, no reincarnation. Try to remember anything about last nights sleep, that is what I think death is, nothingness. Those are the thoughts of death you have when sitting comfortably behind your computer. If you think about it, death doesn't usually scare people but the act of dying does. Sure, you could wish for a peaceful death in your sleep or a quick one without the knowledge of its arrival yet the very thought that it might not be like that scares people. Have you seen someone hacked to pieces with a machete? Have you seen someone burn alive? Have you seen someone in a car accident, crushed and in great pain yet alive for 30min or more while waiting for an ambulance to arrive... only to die on the way to the hospital? Someone who is not afraid to die is someone who perceives themselves as having nothing to lose. It is when you get responsibilities that you tend to value your life, whether for the sake of others or yours. It is the reason why parents see children as wreckless and children see parents as over-protective. In general a parental figure does not want to die because of the fear of what might happen to those they leave behind. Dying means not being able to take care of the child or lover, not being able to see the future of loved ones, not knowing what will happen next to them. So am I afraid of death? There are things I want to accomplish, see, do, feel but won't be able to if I die. The fear doesn't stop me living my life, it isn't a phobia. I do do activities that are considered dangerous (skydiving, fast cars, bikes...) but I am cautious. I don't want my life to stop now and will do what is necessary to live. Perhaps by these definitions you could say that I am afraid to die. It might feel more heroic to say "I'm not afraid of death" or "bring it on", but I believe that in every single one of you there is at least a little tingering feeling back in your mind saying "I don't want to die".
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Avalira Someone who is not afraid to die is someone who perceives themselves as having nothing to lose. It is when you get responsibilities that you tend to value your life, whether for the sake of others or yours. It is the reason why parents see children as wreckless and children see parents as over-protective. In general a parental figure does not want to die because of the fear of what might happen to those they leave behind. Dying means not being able to take care of the child or lover, not being able to see the future of loved ones, not knowing what will happen next to them. So am I afraid of death? There are things I want to accomplish, see, do, feel but won't be able to if I die. The fear doesn't stop me living my life, it isn't a phobia. I do do activities that are considered dangerous (skydiving, fast cars, bikes...) but I am cautious. I don't want my life to stop now and will do what is necessary to live. Perhaps by these definitions you could say that I am afraid to die. It might feel more heroic to say "I'm not afraid of death" or "bring it on", but I believe that in every single one of you there is at least a little tingering feeling back in your mind saying "I don't want to die". Having nothing to lose? Of course people who have little fear of death itself have something to lose. However, that which I have matters only to me and I won't miss it when I'm gone. A long life is good stuff of course, but when the pursuit of a longer life means losing quality of life it's not worth pursuing. I imagine that I'd think somewhat differently (and worry about it) if I had responsibilities like young kids or a great cause or something, but I don't. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn.
Thargat Caldari North Star Networks Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:56:00 - [34] As I can't be sure that I'm not actually DEAD when sleeping (the actual person waking up the next morning could simply be a sum of my memories, ie me). And since I can be asleep without being aware of existing (hours vanish in dreamless sleep). And because I don't believe in anything that can't be scientifically/mathematically proven (like gods n ghosts and souls and delusions like that). I don't believe that there's anything past death. You'll be as aware as when you're asleep. Except for the dreaming and waking up part. And no I don't fear it since when I'm dead I won't be able to make a difference or care about it. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy living. I'm actually having the time of my life. But I just don't go around worrying about stuff that I hardly can do anything about. Now I don't know about you lot, but I'm planning on living forever ;p Breathing 0.0
zombiedeadhead Minmatar Tribal Core	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:01:00 - [35] I'm not afraid of dying, I just don't want to be there when it happens.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:52:00 - [36] Edited by: Wendat Huron on 05/02/2009 01:52:25 Not so much afraid of dying than I am of dismemberment, disability and other states possibly putting me into a state of reliability, becoming a burden to those around me. That and sharp or chronic pain. When it's over it's over, I don't need no carrot in the clouds to keep me in line, I got a brain.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:17:00 - [37] When you die you are dead.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:27:00 - [38] He's my favorite Discworld character. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Avalira stuff Good points but you obviously didn't read my post properly. I said i wasn't afraid of death itself, but rather afraid of dying without purpose or without being remembered. Plus who are you to say what I have and have not experienced? At least 3 family members have died in the last half year. Granted I have an extended family on my fathers side, but thats not the point.
The AEther	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:53:00 - [40] I personally think that there is nothing after you die. Which is kind of boring, but most likely that is all that is to the afterlife. What would be more interesting is a reincarnation of some kind. But even then, if you think about it - everything that makes you the person that you are will be gone. So even if there is reincarnation the person that you are right now will cease to exist forever. This guy had less than a year to live. Here is what he thought about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5_MqicxSo
Zora Xen	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:35:00 - [41] It's a brave person who asks such a question on a gaming forum ^^. In my humble experience: > Atheists are often more interesting to talk to than religious ideologues, because they've usually put more thought into their position. But not always. > It's important to separate 'New Age' mumbo-jumbo from intellectually honest debate. New Age proponents use amorphous terms like 'quantum physics' to explain away their dubious claims. > We need more scientific research on the brain and consciousness. > There are communities of people that have been studying subjective consciousness for thousands of years, particularly Buddhism & Yoga. > Although these communities carry a lot of metaphysical baggage, they do have some genuinely interesting things to say on the nature of consciousness, mind and how to address the inherent suffering of the human condition. > If there is a God(s), I don't think he/she/it could careless what you believe but rather how you live and how you treat others. > If there is not a God, then be extraordinarily grateful for your existence because the odds against your existence are beyond comprehension. It's like winning the Lotto every second of the day. > I look forward to discussing these matters with our friendly neighbourhood aliens. > Keep asking questions. Be skeptical of everything and everyone, including your own conceptions.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:08:00 - [42] Quote: > If there is a God(s), I don't think he/she/it could careless what you believe but rather how you live and how you treat others. Why would that be the case? A lot of our social mores and morals only make sense from either the point of view of being mortal or for various cultural reasons. Why would anything you could classify as a "god" have the same values?
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:07:00 - [43] I have been close to death due to medical issues, twice in my life. At the ripe old age of 13 I came to terms with death. At age 15 I was not far from a bullet to the head to end the pain, but the thoughts of my mother helped me forge through it. So I am not scared of death. I also am quite positive that I believe in someones right to kill themselves if things are terminal with no reasonable anecdote for the situation in the foreseeable future. Now if someone wants to end their life I would seriously hope that they give family and friends closure before they do so to decrease the associated negative feelings that accompany suicide. If I go it would be nice to go in a fashion similar to this military jump instructor Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:40:00 - [44] Originally by: Zora Xen > If there is not a God, then be extraordinarily grateful for your existence because the odds against your existence are beyond comprehension. It's like winning the Lotto every second of the day. Ok, this one just grates me. If there is no god, then who should you be grateful to for your existence? Gratefulness has to be expressed to a conscious entity else it's just emotional massturbation. The odds for my existence are exactly 100%. I do exists, which is proof of the certainty of it to have happened. There is no chance or probability. Those concepts are used to substitute a unknown number of unknown influences on any event from past experience to estimate the outcome of future similar events. Everything happens the way it happens because cause and effect dictate it to happen in that specific way. Reality is just too vast and complex for our limited human minds to fully grasp its functionality in its entirety to accurately calculate it. Hence the (quite successful) crutch of probability calculations. Using probability in an argument like a magic device just terribly annoys me. That is all. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: bff Jill If you burn alive the heat of the air eventually sears your lungs and you can not absorbe oxygen and suffocate. Also the nerve endings burn away after a while so you don't feel heat. So being burned alive, first you are REALLY HOT, then feel nothing, then you just kind of fall asleep. That's the scientific part. The part where any fireman that I've ever met says that watching/hearing someone burn to death (it's rare, but it does happen in car accidents when someone is stuck in the car and it catches fire. Often enough that plenty of firemen have seen it first hand) is the most traumatic thing they've ever experienced doesn't leave me all too comforted. Also, the part where heat starts to boil water in your body, causing your brain to cook and your skull to crack open like a cold egg being placed into a boiling saucepan of water, is not nice either. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.05 15:37:00 - [46] Well personally I wonder where the consiousness goes when somebody dies, which makes me a believer in"soul"transmigration or reincarnation. But the death subject myself I am definitately not afraid of, infact when it comes it might be interesting to find out whos right .
Nebulous Minmatar Thukker Zoku	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:20:00 - [47] I'm going to talk about an idea of death that was told to me by one of my science teachers,i'm not saying it's at all true but it's something to think about, if you remove religion and spirituality and look at it from a science point of view you can come to the following conclusion quite easily. Everything is based around space and time (for the best part), you are currently locked into a time zone, in 1000 years from now you will of course be dead! However, if someone in that future makes a time machine and travels back to now, you will be alive, which basically means you are always alive in this time zone, therefore it is plausible that at your moment of death you are reborn again as yourself and repeat your life over an over again completely unable to make any different decisions, which also links you into the much feared fate we all talk about, it could expalin why we have feelings of De Ja Vue. Just think! This could be the one millionth time your life has repeated. --------------------------------------------
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:43:00 - [48] Originally by: Nebulous I'm going to talk about an idea of death that was told to me by one of my science teachers,i'm not saying it's at all true but it's something to think about, if you remove religion and spirituality and look at it from a science point of view you can come to the following conclusion quite easily. Everything is based around space and time (for the best part), you are currently locked into a time zone, in 1000 years from now you will of course be dead! However, if someone in that future makes a time machine and travels back to now, you will be alive, which basically means you are always alive in this time zone, therefore it is plausible that at your moment of death you are reborn again as yourself and repeat your life over an over again completely unable to make any different decisions, which also links you into the much feared fate we all talk about, it could expalin why we have feelings of De Ja Vue. Just think! This could be the one millionth time your life has repeated. -------------------------------------------- For the love of god you mean I've gotta date that ***** all over again.
Atropos Kahn Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:45:00 - [49] Good point on that last post. Every action you make stems from the combination of variables that already happened. We all can predict the future in a macro sense, say, if I drop this glass, it will hit the floor. If you take that to a micro level, you can predict everything. So if you were a super computer, or a GOD, and you could in one instant know the state of everying in the universe down to the quark, you could predict what is coming at the very next instant, by knowing the variables you can know everything that is further down in time. Our conscience lives at singlular state and moves at the same pace through the timeline. like a needle on a record. Everything that is gonna happen has been determined. Consider this thought too... We all in reality are billions of years old. We are living beings that were forged from 2 other living beings. There are chemicals and genes (DNA) in you that you were given to from single cell organisms. We are just a link in a chain. I aways felt that Life is burdoned with the need to survive.
Nebulous Minmatar Thukker Zoku	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:51:00 - [50] Originally by: Atropos Kahn Good point on that last post. Every action you make stems from the combination of variables that already happened. We all can predict the future in a macro sense, say, if I drop this glass, it will hit the floor. If you take that to a micro level, you can predict everything. So if you were a super computer, or a GOD, and you could in one instant know the state of everying in the universe down to the quark, you could predict what is coming at the very next instant, by knowing the variables you can know everything that is further down in time. Our conscience lives at singlular state and moves at the same pace through the timeline. like a needle on a record. Everything that is gonna happen has been determined. Consider this thought too... We all in reality are billions of years old. We are living beings that were forged from 2 other living beings. There are chemicals and genes (DNA) in you that you were given to from single cell organisms. We are just a link in a chain. I aways felt that Life is burdoned with the need to survive. Keep these kinds of posts coming TBH, this is the sort of thinking the human race should be doing. True or not they make you think and that can only be a possitive thing. -----------------------------------------------------
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:06:00 - [51] Death of the mortal body isnt avoidable and those who spend their time fretting over the inevitability of it are just wasting what time their given by (insert what you choose to believe would fit here). What happens after death to the (insert what you choose to call soul or similar word) will always be up for debate. Sure we know what happens to the physical body and so forth but assuming that there isnt some sort of "after life" along that line (I use the term in a very broad meaning) is foolish and history has proven to cause more trouble for the living than the dead. Far better to let people believe what they choose to then to try and tell them otherwise and live in misery. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:19:00 - [52] Originally by: kor anon What do I think happens when you die? Nothing, no afterlife, no reincarnation. Try to remember anything about last nights sleep, that is what I think death is, nothingness. Personally, I think you go to another plane of exsistance and review the life just lived. Decided to reincarnate and do so until all lessons have been learned. Then the learning process continues until you are reunited with "god" Tao, supreme being whatever.
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:26:00 - [53] Originally by: Elora Danzik Originally by: kor anon What do I think happens when you die? Nothing, no afterlife, no reincarnation. Try to remember anything about last nights sleep, that is what I think death is, nothingness. Personally, I think you go to another plane of exsistance and review the life just lived. Decided to reincarnate and do so until all lessons have been learned. Then the learning process continues until you are reunited with "god" Tao, supreme being whatever. I can see many reincarnations in my future
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:28:00 - [54] Originally by: Elora Danzik Originally by: kor anon What do I think happens when you die? Nothing, no afterlife, no reincarnation. Try to remember anything about last nights sleep, that is what I think death is, nothingness. Personally, I think you go to another plane of exsistance and review the life just lived. Decided to reincarnate and do so until all lessons have been learned. Then the learning process continues until you are reunited with "god" Tao, supreme being whatever. But that means you have already learnt the lessons of a previous life, that surely suggests you must remember the experiences which led to that lesson, therefore we must be able to remember our previous lives. I R CUNFUSSED
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:32:00 - [55] Edited by: David Kang on 05/02/2009 19:32:32 Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Elora Danzik Originally by: kor anon What do I think happens when you die? Nothing, no afterlife, no reincarnation. Try to remember anything about last nights sleep, that is what I think death is, nothingness. Personally, I think you go to another plane of exsistance and review the life just lived. Decided to reincarnate and do so until all lessons have been learned. Then the learning process continues until you are reunited with "god" Tao, supreme being whatever. But that means you have already learnt the lessons of a previous life, that surely suggests you must remember the experiences which led to that lesson, therefore we must be able to remember our previous lives. I R CUNFUSSED maybe you have, but just don't realise it. For instance people who have phobias of certain things like enclosed spaces and been trapped. or arachnophobia (fear of spiders) what about scared of heights?. Makes one pounder what gods turn around is on reincarnations.. not very efficient company is he But I am an atheist so.. if there's god i am going to hell \o/
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:34:00 - [56] Originally by: David Kang explanation Ah Ok. but what about animals do they reincarnate?
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:38:00 - [57] Edited by: David Kang on 05/02/2009 19:39:15 Originally by: kor anon Originally by: David Kang explanation Ah Ok. but what about animals do they reincarnate? How the hell am I supposed to know? who do you think I am? GOD? All I did was give you a rough idea on how one might remember that they are reincarnated.
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:08:00 - [58] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: David Kang explanation Ah Ok. but what about animals do they reincarnate? For all creatures reicarnation is like photosynthesis. It happens wither or not you believe in it. When you reicarnate you decide if you want to remember any lives. Generally, most people, espically in the western world, don't. It helps by not having baggage from a previous similar life. As you mature though you start to remember more. Eventually all mistakes and lesson will be reviewed and learned. Humans however don't reicarnate as animals. Only Humnas, Gorillas and whales and dolphins have similar souls. Though until we can travel freely off the planet it is unlikly you would reicarnate there. All other animals are goups of souls learning differnet aspects of personailty. They may eventaully mature enough to take on conscienceness. However, not as an ant or a cat.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:11:00 - [59] Cease to exist 100%. Why I'm not afraid of it. only thing I'm scared of is a long and painful death.
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:15:00 - [60] Edited by: Elora Danzik on 05/02/2009 22:17:14 Edited by: Elora Danzik on 05/02/2009 22:16:34 Originally by: kor anon Originally by: David Kang explanation All I did was give you a rough idea on how one might remember that they are reincarnated. It actually as simple as asking your subconscience to remember a past life. Though you need to be specific. Just saying show me a past life in my dream tonight. might get you muddled response. I asked specifically if I had a past life with a specific girl I was dating that was relevent to this life. Early the next morning I had a dream so vivid I swear it was real. I'd give all the details but c'mon, I'm not flame proof. Another way to look at it would be to ask if I'd ever had a life in a specific place. If you have ever been to a place that just felt like home, then there might be a connection. Just my experiences.

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