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kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:19:00 - [1] Despite the fact it is regarded as a rather grim subject, I'd like to ask the OOPE what they beleive when it comes to death, and whether they are afraid of it, think of it alot, etc. Personally I'm not afraid of death itself. I don't know why I should be afraid of the most natural thing in the universe, and something that is ultimately inevitable whatever i do. The only thing i fear is my life to be without meaning, quite simply put I want to be remembered for a long long time. What do I think happens when you die? Nothing, no afterlife, no reincarnation. Try to remember anything about last nights sleep, that is what I think death is, nothingness.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:24:00 - [2] Well...I don't believe in relgion, after life, spirtual stuff, hocus pocus and all that jazz. I don't believe in God and all that, but I don't consider myself Atheist or anything. I claim no titles as they are a gravity well for stereotypes. So...ever had one of those dreams where you're asleep...all you see is darkness...yet you're semi concious to it and nothing happens at all? I think death is like that. Just without the conciousness part. I think it's a lot like blacking out. No blood going to the brain makes you pass out. Everything goes black. If your brain continues to not receive blood, it stays black/unconcious.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction The Firm.	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:28:00 - [3] The immediate events leading to death are a frightening prospect I do not like to think about, but the state itself, meh. I am not afraid of non-being, which is what I expect.
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:31:00 - [4] Nobody knows, we have no direct evidence to go on, anyone claiming anything is biased by personal opinion. Everyone finds out soon enough.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:32:00 - [5] Originally by: bff Jill Nobody knows, we have no direct evidence to go on, anyone claiming anything is biased by personal opinion. Everyone finds out soon enough. You never find out :P Your too dead to notice
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:33:00 - [6] When it comes to the actual act of dieing, which has been twice now, I remain quite calm which amazes doctors. Overall I have no real issues with death. I already understand that my life is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. If I die in 30 years or in 30 minutes it makes no difference to me because I'll be dead. A handful of people will mourn for a week and the world will move on and everything that I have said and done will mean nothing in the future.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:34:00 - [7] Death brings nothing to be afraid of. The moments just before then can be a truly terrifying experience. I don't fear nothing. I fear suffering. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Abrazzar Death brings nothing to be afraid of. The moments just before then can be a truly terrifying experience. I don't fear nothing. I fear suffering. Which is why when I die, if it's not in my sleep I hope it's instantaneous enough for me not to even be capable of thinking about it. Being in a plane crash is probably one of the most scariest moments of your life...knowing your life is going to end within less than a few minutes... CCP Atlas - The Short Story - "With Quantum Rise, we kind of messed up the performance of the EVE client."
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:39:00 - [9] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWcjXuqICf0&feature=PlayList&p=3296E37DDE1473E7&index=0&playnext=1 watch it if you're bored sometime or w/e o/
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:41:00 - [10] Originally by: 7shining7one7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWcjXuqICf0&feature=PlayList&p=3296E37DDE1473E7&index=0&playnext=1 watch it if you're bored sometime or w/e o/ It seems fate does not like your link
Roymundo Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Karrade Krise Originally by: Abrazzar Death brings nothing to be afraid of. The moments just before then can be a truly terrifying experience. I don't fear nothing. I fear suffering. Which is why when I die, if it's not in my sleep I hope it's instantaneous enough for me not to even be capable of thinking about it. Being in a plane crash is probably one of the most scariest moments of your life...knowing your life is going to end within less than a few minutes... i'd love to pop my clogs while sky-diving. i just know some sick twisted part of me would be singing the paratroopers song.... "gory gory, what a helluva way to die!"
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:48:00 - [12] Burning to death, Drowning, or being buried alive. Other than that I think I could cope. Not afraid of death, Just the dying part But I do believe in something after death. I think the Big Bang is the most ******ed load of crap ever, and for it to be an actual scientific theory just boggles my mind. Last Time I lit an M80 I didn't get a miniature universe There is just way to many coincidences for this all to be "just by chance". I know I'm in the minority on these forums and I'll be eaten alive, but oh well. Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:50:00 - [13] As long as I don't wake up dead...
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:50:00 - [14] Originally by: kor anon It seems fate does not like your link well imo fate is nothing but the direction in which you are currently heading unless you realize you have a choice in changing the direction. and i just changed the direction, and now the link works.. whereas you grabbed a potential outcome had i not "changed the direction".. and there you have the basics of "prophecy".. seeing the current direction and some of the potentials that could occur but it doesn't mean they will. "ooh but what will really bake your noodle later on is, would you still have broken it if i hadn't said anything."
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Last Wolf Burning to death, Drowning, or being buried alive. Other than that I think I could cope. Not afraid of death, Just the dying part But I do believe in something after death. I think the Big Bang is the most ******ed load of crap ever, and for it to be an actual scientific theory just boggles my mind. Last Time I lit an M80 I didn't get a miniature universe There is just way to many coincidences for this all to be "just by chance". I know I'm in the minority on these forums and I'll be eaten alive, but oh well. Dont be ashamed, Its as good as an explanation as any
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:52:00 - [16] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: kor anon It seems fate does not like your link well imo fate is nothing but the direction in which you are currently heading unless you realize you have a choice in changing the direction. and i just changed the direction, and now the link works.. whereas you grabbed a potential outcome had i not "changed the direction".. and there you have the basics of "prophecy".. seeing the current direction and some of the potentials that could occur but it doesn't mean they will. "ooh but what will really bake your noodle later on is, would you still have broken it if i hadn't said anything." Does anyone have a translation device? I think mine is still bugged
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Last Wolf Last Time I lit an M80 I didn't get a miniature universe How do you know? If you did it would be its own universe, seperate from ours. We could all be making new universes every time we fart. Quote: There is just way to many coincidences for this all to be "just by chance". Agreed A thing people need to realize, is that understanding the mechanics of how something works does absolutely nothing towards explaining why things work like that in the first place Science can tell us nothing we don't already know, it can only help us understand what we do know better and let us see how all the things we know fit together.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2009.02.04 20:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Last Wolf Burning to death, Drowning, or being buried alive. Other than that I think I could cope. Not afraid of death, Just the dying part Same. Although I don't think I'd have much of a problem with drowning. Burning, being buried alive. That's bad. Cadmium poisoning, being ripped to pieces (racking) and dying from any type of hemorrhagic fever virus ranks pretty high as well. Fear of being Buried alive is mostly a psychological thing for me. The rest is the sheer potential for pain. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn.
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.04 20:05:00 - [19] If you burn alive the heat of the air eventually sears your lungs and you can not absorbe oxygen and suffocate. Also the nerve endings burn away after a while so you don't feel heat. So being burned alive, first you are REALLY HOT, then feel nothing, then you just kind of fall asleep.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2009.02.04 20:12:00 - [20] Originally by: bff Jill If you burn alive the heat of the air eventually sears your lungs and you can not absorbe oxygen and suffocate. Also the nerve endings burn away after a while so you don't feel heat. So being burned alive, first you are REALLY HOT, then feel nothing, then you just kind of fall asleep. That's the scientific part. The part where any fireman that I've ever met says that watching/hearing someone burn to death (it's rare, but it does happen in car accidents when someone is stuck in the car and it catches fire. Often enough that plenty of firemen have seen it first hand) is the most traumatic thing they've ever experienced doesn't leave me all too comforted.
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.04 20:21:00 - [21] Edited by: David Kang on 04/02/2009 20:22:00 Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: bff Jill If you burn alive the heat of the air eventually sears your lungs and you can not absorbe oxygen and suffocate. Also the nerve endings burn away after a while so you don't feel heat. So being burned alive, first you are REALLY HOT, then feel nothing, then you just kind of fall asleep. That's the scientific part. The part where any fireman that I've ever met says that watching/hearing someone burn to death (it's rare, but it does happen in car accidents when someone is stuck in the car and it catches fire. Often enough that plenty of firemen have seen it first hand) is the most traumatic thing they've ever experienced doesn't leave me all too comforted. What you have confirmed though is something else, if you cannot destroy or create matter. The human body goes back to from once it came. Burning alive you die and your matter converts into thermal energy. if you die of natural courses you will rot back into matter like soil etc Although this sparks the question. what happens to dreams and thought? they are in essence hard printed into the brain. or are they an energy (The brain works off of electrons)? and what happens to that energy? is it converted into biomass that's degradable?
Florio Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.02.04 20:38:00 - [22] I allow the thought of dying to regulate my actions. Faced with a decision, I will think "As I lie on my death bed and think back on this moment, which option would make me smile in satisfaction?" eg. Do I work over the weekend or play games with the kids? Hmmmm, easy one.
Hieronymus Alexandre Fashionable Enterprises	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:01:00 - [23] I mean, you'd never know you were in a box, would you?
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:04:00 - [24] Originally by: Hieronymus Alexandre I mean, you'd never know you were in a box, would you? see what you made me do!
Polkageist Minmatar Accelerating Nanomechanical Industries	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:15:00 - [25] funny, i just spoke of this today with a familymember, but as usual our talk ended fast as we couldnt come up with any arguments, so its really a belief? I dont know, but im not gonna go in the cascet as a traitor. i immediatly thought of this track by Immortal Technique The Cause Of Death
Polkageist Minmatar Accelerating Nanomechanical Industries	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:23:00 - [26] this is also good, but the mix of the audio **** me off :) Cause Of Death
7shining7one7 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Polkageist funny, i just spoke of this today with a familymember, but as usual our talk ended fast as we couldnt come up with any arguments, so its really a belief? I dont know, but im not gonna go in the cascet as a traitor. i immediatly thought of this track by Immortal Technique The Cause Of Death nice
Karma Eve University	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:29:00 - [28] "the matter of death... or the death of matter? what matters most? flesh and bone or mind and soul? or are they one and the same? the fact of the matter is, I do not know. but I do tend to find out, in the fullness of time." - Jonas Malml÷f
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:47:00 - [29] I don't think about it, but I am a little worried about it. I could say that it doesn't bother me at all and pretend to be cool as cucumber boy, but that would be a lie. This is the only life I have and ever will have. I like my life and want to extend it as much as possible. I'm also worried about what will happen to the people that love and rely on me. I don't like the fact that there isn't anything I can do to avoid it. It gives me the feeling of being forcefully hold down by someone while trying your hardest to strugle free. I guess when you grow old enough, I could get tired of carrying the burdens of life and death might turn into a sweet release. I predict that when it's my turn to go, I'll just make preparations for those that stay behind and then just die. And then there will be nothing. No worrying, no anxiety ,no fear and I can finally stop correcting people who are wrong on the internet.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:55:00 - [30] My take on it ? There's absolutely nothing "beyond death". All you leave behind is in what is left in the world by you : children or grandchildren, things you've built, things you've discovered, things you taught. I don't fear death itself, but I am dreading the moments prior to my death. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:02:00 - [31] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 04/02/2009 22:02:30 Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 04/02/2009 19:44:25 some interesting stuff i thought i'd share watch it if you're bored sometime or w/e o/ Oh yay, more vague mystical bull****. Are you capable of doing anything but spamming youtube videos? And did you just give another rambling delusional rant about the nature of fate, when all you needed to say was "link fixed, thanks for catching it"? Here's a hint for you: maybe you've just been smoking a bit too much of your miracle drug. As for the OP: you die, you become plant food. End of discussion.
Avalira Caldari Pax Minor Asylum	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:23:00 - [32] Originally by: kor anon Despite the fact it is regarded as a rather grim subject, I'd like to ask the OOPE what they beleive when it comes to death, and whether they are afraid of it, think of it alot, etc. Personally I'm not afraid of death itself. I don't know why I should be afraid of the most natural thing in the universe, and something that is ultimately inevitable whatever i do. The only thing i fear is my life to be without meaning, quite simply put I want to be remembered for a long long time. What do I think happens when you die? Nothing, no afterlife, no reincarnation. Try to remember anything about last nights sleep, that is what I think death is, nothingness. Those are the thoughts of death you have when sitting comfortably behind your computer. If you think about it, death doesn't usually scare people but the act of dying does. Sure, you could wish for a peaceful death in your sleep or a quick one without the knowledge of its arrival yet the very thought that it might not be like that scares people. Have you seen someone hacked to pieces with a machete? Have you seen someone burn alive? Have you seen someone in a car accident, crushed and in great pain yet alive for 30min or more while waiting for an ambulance to arrive... only to die on the way to the hospital? Someone who is not afraid to die is someone who perceives themselves as having nothing to lose. It is when you get responsibilities that you tend to value your life, whether for the sake of others or yours. It is the reason why parents see children as wreckless and children see parents as over-protective. In general a parental figure does not want to die because of the fear of what might happen to those they leave behind. Dying means not being able to take care of the child or lover, not being able to see the future of loved ones, not knowing what will happen next to them. So am I afraid of death? There are things I want to accomplish, see, do, feel but won't be able to if I die. The fear doesn't stop me living my life, it isn't a phobia. I do do activities that are considered dangerous (skydiving, fast cars, bikes...) but I am cautious. I don't want my life to stop now and will do what is necessary to live. Perhaps by these definitions you could say that I am afraid to die. It might feel more heroic to say "I'm not afraid of death" or "bring it on", but I believe that in every single one of you there is at least a little tingering feeling back in your mind saying "I don't want to die".
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Avalira Someone who is not afraid to die is someone who perceives themselves as having nothing to lose. It is when you get responsibilities that you tend to value your life, whether for the sake of others or yours. It is the reason why parents see children as wreckless and children see parents as over-protective. In general a parental figure does not want to die because of the fear of what might happen to those they leave behind. Dying means not being able to take care of the child or lover, not being able to see the future of loved ones, not knowing what will happen next to them. So am I afraid of death? There are things I want to accomplish, see, do, feel but won't be able to if I die. The fear doesn't stop me living my life, it isn't a phobia. I do do activities that are considered dangerous (skydiving, fast cars, bikes...) but I am cautious. I don't want my life to stop now and will do what is necessary to live. Perhaps by these definitions you could say that I am afraid to die. It might feel more heroic to say "I'm not afraid of death" or "bring it on", but I believe that in every single one of you there is at least a little tingering feeling back in your mind saying "I don't want to die". Having nothing to lose? Of course people who have little fear of death itself have something to lose. However, that which I have matters only to me and I won't miss it when I'm gone. A long life is good stuff of course, but when the pursuit of a longer life means losing quality of life it's not worth pursuing. I imagine that I'd think somewhat differently (and worry about it) if I had responsibilities like young kids or a great cause or something, but I don't. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn.
Thargat Caldari North Star Networks Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:56:00 - [34] As I can't be sure that I'm not actually DEAD when sleeping (the actual person waking up the next morning could simply be a sum of my memories, ie me). And since I can be asleep without being aware of existing (hours vanish in dreamless sleep). And because I don't believe in anything that can't be scientifically/mathematically proven (like gods n ghosts and souls and delusions like that). I don't believe that there's anything past death. You'll be as aware as when you're asleep. Except for the dreaming and waking up part. And no I don't fear it since when I'm dead I won't be able to make a difference or care about it. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy living. I'm actually having the time of my life. But I just don't go around worrying about stuff that I hardly can do anything about. Now I don't know about you lot, but I'm planning on living forever ;p Breathing 0.0
zombiedeadhead Minmatar Tribal Core	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:01:00 - [35] I'm not afraid of dying, I just don't want to be there when it happens.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:52:00 - [36] Edited by: Wendat Huron on 05/02/2009 01:52:25 Not so much afraid of dying than I am of dismemberment, disability and other states possibly putting me into a state of reliability, becoming a burden to those around me. That and sharp or chronic pain. When it's over it's over, I don't need no carrot in the clouds to keep me in line, I got a brain.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:17:00 - [37] When you die you are dead.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:27:00 - [38] He's my favorite Discworld character. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Avalira stuff Good points but you obviously didn't read my post properly. I said i wasn't afraid of death itself, but rather afraid of dying without purpose or without being remembered. Plus who are you to say what I have and have not experienced? At least 3 family members have died in the last half year. Granted I have an extended family on my fathers side, but thats not the point.
The AEther	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:53:00 - [40] I personally think that there is nothing after you die. Which is kind of boring, but most likely that is all that is to the afterlife. What would be more interesting is a reincarnation of some kind. But even then, if you think about it - everything that makes you the person that you are will be gone. So even if there is reincarnation the person that you are right now will cease to exist forever. This guy had less than a year to live. Here is what he thought about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5_MqicxSo
Zora Xen	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:35:00 - [41] It's a brave person who asks such a question on a gaming forum ^^. In my humble experience: > Atheists are often more interesting to talk to than religious ideologues, because they've usually put more thought into their position. But not always. > It's important to separate 'New Age' mumbo-jumbo from intellectually honest debate. New Age proponents use amorphous terms like 'quantum physics' to explain away their dubious claims. > We need more scientific research on the brain and consciousness. > There are communities of people that have been studying subjective consciousness for thousands of years, particularly Buddhism & Yoga. > Although these communities carry a lot of metaphysical baggage, they do have some genuinely interesting things to say on the nature of consciousness, mind and how to address the inherent suffering of the human condition. > If there is a God(s), I don't think he/she/it could careless what you believe but rather how you live and how you treat others. > If there is not a God, then be extraordinarily grateful for your existence because the odds against your existence are beyond comprehension. It's like winning the Lotto every second of the day. > I look forward to discussing these matters with our friendly neighbourhood aliens. > Keep asking questions. Be skeptical of everything and everyone, including your own conceptions.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:08:00 - [42] Quote: > If there is a God(s), I don't think he/she/it could careless what you believe but rather how you live and how you treat others. Why would that be the case? A lot of our social mores and morals only make sense from either the point of view of being mortal or for various cultural reasons. Why would anything you could classify as a "god" have the same values?
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:07:00 - [43] I have been close to death due to medical issues, twice in my life. At the ripe old age of 13 I came to terms with death. At age 15 I was not far from a bullet to the head to end the pain, but the thoughts of my mother helped me forge through it. So I am not scared of death. I also am quite positive that I believe in someones right to kill themselves if things are terminal with no reasonable anecdote for the situation in the foreseeable future. Now if someone wants to end their life I would seriously hope that they give family and friends closure before they do so to decrease the associated negative feelings that accompany suicide. If I go it would be nice to go in a fashion similar to this military jump instructor Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:40:00 - [44] Originally by: Zora Xen > If there is not a God, then be extraordinarily grateful for your existence because the odds against your existence are beyond comprehension. It's like winning the Lotto every second of the day. Ok, this one just grates me. If there is no god, then who should you be grateful to for your existence? Gratefulness has to be expressed to a conscious entity else it's just emotional massturbation. The odds for my existence are exactly 100%. I do exists, which is proof of the certainty of it to have happened. There is no chance or probability. Those concepts are used to substitute a unknown number of unknown influences on any event from past experience to estimate the outcome of future similar events. Everything happens the way it happens because cause and effect dictate it to happen in that specific way. Reality is just too vast and complex for our limited human minds to fully grasp its functionality in its entirety to accurately calculate it. Hence the (quite successful) crutch of probability calculations. Using probability in an argument like a magic device just terribly annoys me. That is all. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: bff Jill If you burn alive the heat of the air eventually sears your lungs and you can not absorbe oxygen and suffocate. Also the nerve endings burn away after a while so you don't feel heat. So being burned alive, first you are REALLY HOT, then feel nothing, then you just kind of fall asleep. That's the scientific part. The part where any fireman that I've ever met says that watching/hearing someone burn to death (it's rare, but it does happen in car accidents when someone is stuck in the car and it catches fire. Often enough that plenty of firemen have seen it first hand) is the most traumatic thing they've ever experienced doesn't leave me all too comforted. Also, the part where heat starts to boil water in your body, causing your brain to cook and your skull to crack open like a cold egg being placed into a boiling saucepan of water, is not nice either. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.05 15:37:00 - [46] Well personally I wonder where the consiousness goes when somebody dies, which makes me a believer in"soul"transmigration or reincarnation. But the death subject myself I am definitately not afraid of, infact when it comes it might be interesting to find out whos right .
Nebulous Minmatar Thukker Zoku	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:20:00 - [47] I'm going to talk about an idea of death that was told to me by one of my science teachers,i'm not saying it's at all true but it's something to think about, if you remove religion and spirituality and look at it from a science point of view you can come to the following conclusion quite easily. Everything is based around space and time (for the best part), you are currently locked into a time zone, in 1000 years from now you will of course be dead! However, if someone in that future makes a time machine and travels back to now, you will be alive, which basically means you are always alive in this time zone, therefore it is plausible that at your moment of death you are reborn again as yourself and repeat your life over an over again completely unable to make any different decisions, which also links you into the much feared fate we all talk about, it could expalin why we have feelings of De Ja Vue. Just think! This could be the one millionth time your life has repeated. --------------------------------------------
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:43:00 - [48] Originally by: Nebulous I'm going to talk about an idea of death that was told to me by one of my science teachers,i'm not saying it's at all true but it's something to think about, if you remove religion and spirituality and look at it from a science point of view you can come to the following conclusion quite easily. Everything is based around space and time (for the best part), you are currently locked into a time zone, in 1000 years from now you will of course be dead! However, if someone in that future makes a time machine and travels back to now, you will be alive, which basically means you are always alive in this time zone, therefore it is plausible that at your moment of death you are reborn again as yourself and repeat your life over an over again completely unable to make any different decisions, which also links you into the much feared fate we all talk about, it could expalin why we have feelings of De Ja Vue. Just think! This could be the one millionth time your life has repeated. -------------------------------------------- For the love of god you mean I've gotta date that ***** all over again.
Atropos Kahn Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:45:00 - [49] Good point on that last post. Every action you make stems from the combination of variables that already happened. We all can predict the future in a macro sense, say, if I drop this glass, it will hit the floor. If you take that to a micro level, you can predict everything. So if you were a super computer, or a GOD, and you could in one instant know the state of everying in the universe down to the quark, you could predict what is coming at the very next instant, by knowing the variables you can know everything that is further down in time. Our conscience lives at singlular state and moves at the same pace through the timeline. like a needle on a record. Everything that is gonna happen has been determined. Consider this thought too... We all in reality are billions of years old. We are living beings that were forged from 2 other living beings. There are chemicals and genes (DNA) in you that you were given to from single cell organisms. We are just a link in a chain. I aways felt that Life is burdoned with the need to survive.
Nebulous Minmatar Thukker Zoku	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:51:00 - [50] Originally by: Atropos Kahn Good point on that last post. Every action you make stems from the combination of variables that already happened. We all can predict the future in a macro sense, say, if I drop this glass, it will hit the floor. If you take that to a micro level, you can predict everything. So if you were a super computer, or a GOD, and you could in one instant know the state of everying in the universe down to the quark, you could predict what is coming at the very next instant, by knowing the variables you can know everything that is further down in time. Our conscience lives at singlular state and moves at the same pace through the timeline. like a needle on a record. Everything that is gonna happen has been determined. Consider this thought too... We all in reality are billions of years old. We are living beings that were forged from 2 other living beings. There are chemicals and genes (DNA) in you that you were given to from single cell organisms. We are just a link in a chain. I aways felt that Life is burdoned with the need to survive. Keep these kinds of posts coming TBH, this is the sort of thinking the human race should be doing. True or not they make you think and that can only be a possitive thing. -----------------------------------------------------
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:06:00 - [51] Death of the mortal body isnt avoidable and those who spend their time fretting over the inevitability of it are just wasting what time their given by (insert what you choose to believe would fit here). What happens after death to the (insert what you choose to call soul or similar word) will always be up for debate. Sure we know what happens to the physical body and so forth but assuming that there isnt some sort of "after life" along that line (I use the term in a very broad meaning) is foolish and history has proven to cause more trouble for the living than the dead. Far better to let people believe what they choose to then to try and tell them otherwise and live in misery. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:19:00 - [52] Originally by: kor anon What do I think happens when you die? Nothing, no afterlife, no reincarnation. Try to remember anything about last nights sleep, that is what I think death is, nothingness. Personally, I think you go to another plane of exsistance and review the life just lived. Decided to reincarnate and do so until all lessons have been learned. Then the learning process continues until you are reunited with "god" Tao, supreme being whatever.
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:26:00 - [53] Originally by: Elora Danzik Originally by: kor anon What do I think happens when you die? Nothing, no afterlife, no reincarnation. Try to remember anything about last nights sleep, that is what I think death is, nothingness. Personally, I think you go to another plane of exsistance and review the life just lived. Decided to reincarnate and do so until all lessons have been learned. Then the learning process continues until you are reunited with "god" Tao, supreme being whatever. I can see many reincarnations in my future
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:28:00 - [54] Originally by: Elora Danzik Originally by: kor anon What do I think happens when you die? Nothing, no afterlife, no reincarnation. Try to remember anything about last nights sleep, that is what I think death is, nothingness. Personally, I think you go to another plane of exsistance and review the life just lived. Decided to reincarnate and do so until all lessons have been learned. Then the learning process continues until you are reunited with "god" Tao, supreme being whatever. But that means you have already learnt the lessons of a previous life, that surely suggests you must remember the experiences which led to that lesson, therefore we must be able to remember our previous lives. I R CUNFUSSED
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:32:00 - [55] Edited by: David Kang on 05/02/2009 19:32:32 Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Elora Danzik Originally by: kor anon What do I think happens when you die? Nothing, no afterlife, no reincarnation. Try to remember anything about last nights sleep, that is what I think death is, nothingness. Personally, I think you go to another plane of exsistance and review the life just lived. Decided to reincarnate and do so until all lessons have been learned. Then the learning process continues until you are reunited with "god" Tao, supreme being whatever. But that means you have already learnt the lessons of a previous life, that surely suggests you must remember the experiences which led to that lesson, therefore we must be able to remember our previous lives. I R CUNFUSSED maybe you have, but just don't realise it. For instance people who have phobias of certain things like enclosed spaces and been trapped. or arachnophobia (fear of spiders) what about scared of heights?. Makes one pounder what gods turn around is on reincarnations.. not very efficient company is he But I am an atheist so.. if there's god i am going to hell \o/
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:34:00 - [56] Originally by: David Kang explanation Ah Ok. but what about animals do they reincarnate?
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:38:00 - [57] Edited by: David Kang on 05/02/2009 19:39:15 Originally by: kor anon Originally by: David Kang explanation Ah Ok. but what about animals do they reincarnate? How the hell am I supposed to know? who do you think I am? GOD? All I did was give you a rough idea on how one might remember that they are reincarnated.
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:08:00 - [58] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: David Kang explanation Ah Ok. but what about animals do they reincarnate? For all creatures reicarnation is like photosynthesis. It happens wither or not you believe in it. When you reicarnate you decide if you want to remember any lives. Generally, most people, espically in the western world, don't. It helps by not having baggage from a previous similar life. As you mature though you start to remember more. Eventually all mistakes and lesson will be reviewed and learned. Humans however don't reicarnate as animals. Only Humnas, Gorillas and whales and dolphins have similar souls. Though until we can travel freely off the planet it is unlikly you would reicarnate there. All other animals are goups of souls learning differnet aspects of personailty. They may eventaully mature enough to take on conscienceness. However, not as an ant or a cat.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:11:00 - [59] Cease to exist 100%. Why I'm not afraid of it. only thing I'm scared of is a long and painful death.
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:15:00 - [60] Edited by: Elora Danzik on 05/02/2009 22:17:14 Edited by: Elora Danzik on 05/02/2009 22:16:34 Originally by: kor anon Originally by: David Kang explanation All I did was give you a rough idea on how one might remember that they are reincarnated. It actually as simple as asking your subconscience to remember a past life. Though you need to be specific. Just saying show me a past life in my dream tonight. might get you muddled response. I asked specifically if I had a past life with a specific girl I was dating that was relevent to this life. Early the next morning I had a dream so vivid I swear it was real. I'd give all the details but c'mon, I'm not flame proof. Another way to look at it would be to ask if I'd ever had a life in a specific place. If you have ever been to a place that just felt like home, then there might be a connection. Just my experiences.
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:43:00 - [61] Originally by: Atropos Kahn Everything that is gonna happen has been determined. Incorrect. This implies there is no choice. Everything that has happened has happened by the aggregation of individual choices. The future and past exsist as possibilites. The main reason we see the past as fixed is becuase as humans we see time as linear. The past is as flexible as the future. When we reach points in the year where major shifts can occur, we choose a reality and go that route. While all alternatives are happening, we just are unaware of them. Back to the point. If there was no choice and all decision were already made, then there would be no point to living. The purpose of life is the living of it and all the choices along the way.
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.05 23:06:00 - [62] Originally by: Elora Danzik Edited by: Elora Danzik on 05/02/2009 22:17:14 Edited by: Elora Danzik on 05/02/2009 22:16:34 Originally by: kor anon Originally by: David Kang explanation All I did was give you a rough idea on how one might remember that they are reincarnated. It actually as simple as asking your subconscience to remember a past life. Though you need to be specific. Just saying show me a past life in my dream tonight. might get you muddled response. I asked specifically if I had a past life with a specific girl I was dating that was relevent to this life. Early the next morning I had a dream so vivid I swear it was real. I'd give all the details but c'mon, I'm not flame proof. Another way to look at it would be to ask if I'd ever had a life in a specific place. If you have ever been to a place that just felt like home, then there might be a connection. Just my experiences. Are you a meta physician. No flame intended but I have never met one (only heard there off) and I have some questions.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.02.05 23:11:00 - [63] Originally by: Abrazzar The odds for my existence are exactly 100%. I do exists, which is proof of the certainty of it to have happened. There is no chance or probability. Those concepts are used to substitute a unknown number of unknown influences on any event from past experience to estimate the outcome of future similar events. Everything happens the way it happens because cause and effect dictate it to happen in that specific way. Reality is just too vast and complex for our limited human minds to fully grasp its functionality in its entirety to accurately calculate it. Hence the (quite successful) crutch of probability calculations. This is an interesting way to look at the world and I picked it out because I tend to think the same way. I don't think chance or randomness exists - it's that we don't know enough about the world to predict the state of everything. E.X. - you toss a six-sided die. The face it lands on is dependent on the force you've put on the die, the material of the die, the air currents, the material of whatever it's landing on, etc etc etc... but it would be insane to try to keep track of all of that, and so we substitute ignorance for randomness.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.02.06 00:45:00 - [64] Originally by: Atropos Kahn Good point on that last post. Every action you make stems from the combination of variables that already happened. We all can predict the future in a macro sense, say, if I drop this glass, it will hit the floor. If you take that to a micro level, you can predict everything. So if you were a super computer, or a GOD, and you could in one instant know the state of everying in the universe down to the quark, you could predict what is coming at the very next instant, by knowing the variables you can know everything that is further down in time. Our conscience lives at singlular state and moves at the same pace through the timeline. like a needle on a record. Everything that is gonna happen has been determined. Consider this thought too... We all in reality are billions of years old. We are living beings that were forged from 2 other living beings. There are chemicals and genes (DNA) in you that you were given to from single cell organisms. We are just a link in a chain. I aways felt that Life is burdoned with the need to survive. So very wrong, you fail at life, end yourself. You probably liked that piece of **** movie The Game too.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.06 02:29:00 - [65] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Atropos Kahn Good point on that last post. Every action you make stems from the combination of variables that already happened. We all can predict the future in a macro sense, say, if I drop this glass, it will hit the floor. If you take that to a micro level, you can predict everything. So if you were a super computer, or a GOD, and you could in one instant know the state of everying in the universe down to the quark, you could predict what is coming at the very next instant, by knowing the variables you can know everything that is further down in time. Our conscience lives at singlular state and moves at the same pace through the timeline. like a needle on a record. Everything that is gonna happen has been determined. Consider this thought too... We all in reality are billions of years old. We are living beings that were forged from 2 other living beings. There are chemicals and genes (DNA) in you that you were given to from single cell organisms. We are just a link in a chain. I aways felt that Life is burdoned with the need to survive. So very wrong, you fail at life, end yourself. You probably liked that piece of **** movie The Game too. Hmmm...In a way, it's like chaos theory...only in the real world you can't exactly predict every detail. Now, if you could predict everything on a molecular level, and at the same time on the Universal level, or Multiversal level (heh heh) then you could accurately predict...everything. The only thing is, if you can predict it...you can change it. I predict, if I put this gun to my head, and pull the trigger, I will die. Now if someone had predicted this, they could have taken out the bullets before hand. The problem is...by the time you'd be able to predict something, such as the dropping of the glass, the only thing that indicates you're possibly going to drop it is when it was picked up. How long will the individual hold onto the glass before it drops? You don't know it's going to happen until it does. There's no possible way to truly predict one hundred percent of everything. To be honest I'm not even sure what I'm rambling on about now...
Zora Xen	Posted - 2009.02.06 03:59:00 - [66] Edited by: Zora Xen on 06/02/2009 04:06:49 Originally by: SoftRevolution Quote: > If there is a God(s), I don't think he/she/it could careless what you believe but rather how you live and how you treat others. Why would that be the case? A lot of our social mores and morals only make sense from either the point of view of being mortal or for various cultural reasons. Why would anything you could classify as a "god" have the same values? My point was more directed at the religious fundamentalists who think that belief (which grants membership into their tribe) determines where you end up after death. However, a number of evolutionary biologists have pointed out there is strong link between our sense of right/wrong and evolutionary forces particularly with communities of organisms. So I accept your point that social mores may be more more a function of our culture/evolution than an inherent divine order. Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Zora Xen > If there is not a God, then be extraordinarily grateful for your existence because the odds against your existence are beyond comprehension. It's like winning the Lotto every second of the day. Ok, this one just grates me. If there is no god, then who should you be grateful to for your existence? Gratefulness has to be expressed to a conscious entity else it's just emotional massturbation. In this instance, gratitude could be substituted for joy or any number of other positive states. When I used the term 'gratitude' I did not mean to suggest one is indebted to an 'other' -divine or otherwise. Hope that clarifies. Originally by: Abrazzar The odds for my existence are exactly 100%. I do exists, which is proof of the certainty of it to have happened. There is no chance or probability. Those concepts are used to substitute a unknown number of unknown influences on any event from past experience to estimate the outcome of future similar events. Everything happens the way it happens because cause and effect dictate it to happen in that specific way. Reality is just too vast and complex for our limited human minds to fully grasp its functionality in its entirety to accurately calculate it. Hence the (quite successful) crutch of probability calculations. Using probability in an argument like a magic device just terribly annoys me. That is all. You are correct, the odds for your existence in the Universe's current state is 100%. However, if I watch a beautiful sunset and the odds for that sunset at that moment is 100% should I feel any less gratitude, joy, awe, inspiration? Simple existence is a wonderful thing irrespective of its probability.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2009.02.06 05:01:00 - [67] I hope by the time of my death, technology has advanced so far to reanimate dead cells. Always wanted to be a part of a zombie apocalypse!
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.06 15:52:00 - [68] Originally by: David Kang Are you a meta physician. No flame intended but I have never met one (only heard there off) and I have some questions. [/quote In a technical sense I guess. I just know I have hadexperiences that could not be explained traditionally. So I looked for answers in non-standard sources. The phiolosphy that I found just made sense to me. It was like finding an old shirt that you use to wear all the time. It just fits. I am not an expert. I just try to share what I have learned. http://truthloveenergy.ning.com/ That website has alot of the information I talked about here. Of course since, I was typing it here it is colored by my own thoughts, feelings and understanding. So what I have said may appear different. If you have questions, I can try to answer them.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.06 15:57:00 - [69] Elora i'll ask again do animals get reincarnated?
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.02.06 16:20:00 - [70] It's not death I fear, it's dieing. Or rather I'm afraid of having to go without being at ease with it, sounds kinda wonky I know.
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.06 16:21:00 - [71] Edited by: David Kang on 06/02/2009 16:24:18 Originally by: Elora Danzik Originally by: David Kang Are you a meta physician. No flame intended but I have never met one (only heard there off) and I have some questions. [/quote In a technical sense I guess. I just know I have hadexperiences that could not be explained traditionally. So I looked for answers in non-standard sources. The phiolosphy that I found just made sense to me. It was like finding an old shirt that you use to wear all the time. It just fits. I am not an expert. I just try to share what I have learned. http://truthloveenergy.ning.com/ That website has alot of the information I talked about here. Of course since, I was typing it here it is colored by my own thoughts, feelings and understanding. So what I have said may appear different. If you have questions, I can try to answer them. I see, I think the only question is why are some well understood sciences have been abused and contorted to make people think there mythical. Quantum mechanics is one. Do you believe that science should be reinterpreted to explain other people experiences? Been an atheist i do not believe any of the information displayed, i was just looking for the view of a meta physican. always wanted to know how they ticked.
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.06 17:44:00 - [72] Originally by: kor anon Elora i'll ask again do animals get reincarnated? Short answer: yes, as animals. Longer answer: cats can reincarnate as dogs and visa versa. each animal is learning a different aspect of conscienceness.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.06 17:47:00 - [73] Originally by: Elora Danzik Originally by: kor anon Elora i'll ask again do animals get reincarnated? Short answer: yes, as animals. Longer answer: cats can reincarnate as dogs and visa versa. each animal is learning a different aspect of conscienceness. Then why do humans come back as humans and not other animals?
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:20:00 - [74] Originally by: kor anon Then why do humans come back as humans and not other animals? Because animal souls are "hive" souls and human souls are fragments of larger whole. Once the "hive" soul has learned the basics of conscienceness then they can ensoul as sentient. For a human soul to come back as an animal would be like taking a PhD and making him retake kindergarten. There would be no point because all the lessons from that age are learned. Another way to look at it would be evoultion. What would be gained by humans evolving into an aomeba (sp?)? Nothing it would be stepping backward.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:25:00 - [75] Originally by: Elora Danzik Originally by: kor anon Then why do humans come back as humans and not other animals? Because animal souls are "hive" souls and human souls are fragments of larger whole. Once the "hive" soul has learned the basics of conscienceness then they can ensoul as sentient. For a human soul to come back as an animal would be like taking a PhD and making him retake kindergarten. There would be no point because all the lessons from that age are learned. Another way to look at it would be evoultion. What would be gained by humans evolving into an aomeba (sp?)? Nothing it would be stepping backward. Shouldn't Humanity be kindergarden? I mean humans kill for fun, eat each other, sacrifice each other, have necrophiliacs, hate each other. Animals dont do that, so why if we are superior are we 100x more violent and more disgusting than animals?
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:46:00 - [76] WARNING BIT LONG. Originally by: David Kang I see, I think the only question is why are some well understood sciences have been abused and contorted to make people think there mythical. Quantum mechanics is one. I choose to look at this question interms of the history of science as I interpert it. In Anceint times, there was little distiction between religion and science as we understand it today. Astrology and Astoronomy were the same thing to the Babylonians, for example. Moving forward, after the fall of Rome many of the foundations of mondern science were discovered by monks. Ochkam and Bacon were Francisicans, for example. It is after the plague and religion's inability to protect people that the split occured. This drove science to looking at the physical world as something completely seperate from the spiritual. What is happening now, esp. with Quantum Mechanics, is the circle is closing. Science has gone as far as it can in the physical and is re-discovering the spiritual. Looking at it is seems hardly surprising that it begins to take on mythical themes. The corellary to that is also protection. Science is religon to the scientist. Therefore, the "priests" must protect their "sacred" knowledge. Simply look at what happens to any scientist that bucks the establishment with empirical eveidence. They are branded "heretic" and run out the system. Originally by: David Kang Do you believe that science should be reinterpreted to explain other people experiences? Yes, I think that science generally gets interpreted to explain what people want/expect to see and can be proven from their point of view. Example: Newton sitting under the apple tree. Apple falls. Gravity is proven most powerful on earth. (actually Galileo with cannon balls but you get it). Expansion: Gravity contorls the movement of the planets. (Kepler) Expansion: Gravity is caused by mass. Mass is made of matter. Matter is made of atoms. Atoms have a charge. Therefore, Gravity and Electromagnetic force must be linked, but gravity is the greater. Problem: We know little of how Electormagnetism works beyond the earth. So, the assumption that gravity controls the universe maybe flawed. So Kepler was right. Newton was right. With the knowledge at hand and from their point of view. Eventually, Quantum Physic might actually prove the exsistance of the soul
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:19:00 - [77] Edited by: Elora Danzik on 06/02/2009 19:21:10 Originally by: kor anon Shouldn't Humanity be kindergarden? I mean humans kill for fun, eat each other, sacrifice each other, have necrophiliacs, hate each other. Animals dont do that, so why if we are superior are we 100x more violent and more disgusting than animals? Have you watched animal palnet lately? The animal world is extremely violent. Just because human souls have evoled to handle being sentient doesn't mean all choices will be loveing, caring, sunbeams and unicorns. Some choices will be destructive. All is chosen. All that you listed are choice made by individuals. Even choosing to view humanity as negative as you have listed is your choice. A necrophilliac has chosen in this life to derive sexual pleasure from dead people. Why? They decided to. The reasons are a limitless as you can imagine. Maybe the desire human interaction but lack the ability to experience intamacy with living people, or maybe they think its cool. Personality, parental, societial, and many other influences affect choice. Choice is why bad and good things happen. Animal do not have the range of choices available that humnas do. Thus, to you and others they appear more peaceful, or evolved. ****** believed his decision to kill the Jews was right. Just as the Isreali government believes their decision is kill the Palistinians is right. Personally, they are both wacked, and that is my choice. There is no right and wrong. Only Choice and Consequence.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:23:00 - [78] Originally by: Elora Danzik There is no right and wrong. Only Choice and Consequence. If theres no right or wrong how can we be taught lessons? Having to learn suggests there is a right way to do things....
Dred 'Morte New European Regiment R.U.R.	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:47:00 - [79] "No one knows whether death, which people fear to be the greatest evil, may not be the greatest good." Who knows who said that?
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.06 20:22:00 - [80] Originally by: kor anon If theres no right or wrong how can we be taught lessons? Having to learn suggests there is a right way to do things.... I would say loving instead of right. Right and wrong imply, to me, a moral decision. Morality is generally based on the prevailing religion/philosophy at the time. Therefore, what is right and wrong changes over time. Since we are working with reincarnation, lets look at an example. Life one: A mother has a child. The motherÆs situation is such that to try to care for the child will result in death for both mother and child. However, if the mother abandons the child, she will be able to live though, itÆs a high probability of death to child. What is the right choice? Ask 50 people you will get 50 different answers. All of which will be right to those people. LetÆs say the mother abandons the child in the wilderness resulting in the childÆs death. To me, this creates a karmic ribbon joining these two souls. At some point in the future, this karma will have to be addressed. Life two: Same situation only mother is now child, and child is now mother. Here is a chance to balance the karma. The most direct means would be for the now mother to do the same with the same result. The child would accept this, as it would balance the karma. However, the now mother choose to abandon the child at a monastery instead. However, the now child dies for whatever cause you wish. The karma is balanced. Both made choices. What was learned? A consequence of abandoning a child is increased chance of the death of the child. Is it wrong to abandon the child? Might as well ask is it wrong to commit suicide and murder by not abandoning the child. It is a choice. The choice in life two, I would say, is the more loving choice, as it is more likely that child will live. The point of maturity of the soul through reincarnation is learning to make more loving choices. Those choices will not always be right by the standards of the time.
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.06 20:24:00 - [81] Originally by: Dred 'Morte "No one knows whether death, which people fear to be the greatest evil, may not be the greatest good." Who knows who said that? google says Plato.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.02.06 20:37:00 - [82] Oh, just keep your clones updated and there's nothing to worry about ---------------------- Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.06 20:49:00 - [83] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Oh, just keep your clones updated and there's nothing to worry about Ah the wisdom of Eve. Kinda like making sure your ship is actually fitted before you undock speaking of.....
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.07 00:50:00 - [84] Originally by: Elora Danzik Right and wrong imply, to me, a moral decision. Morality is generally based on the prevailing religion/philosophy at the time. Therefore, what is right and wrong changes over time. It also changes due to circumstance. If you and another person are both pointing a gun at each other, both come to the same conclusion that if you do not shoot, you will die and you are religious whether the other person is religious too is unknown. To kill is a sin and therefore it should not be done. But to commit suicide is a sin too and not shooting is as good as committing suicide since you know that the other person is going to kill you if you don't shoot. Either way, you are going to commit a sin. A dilemma that is resolved by only one factor... Self preservation. I'd hazard a guess that fewer than 0% would wait and let the other person make the decision.
Lord Kazuhiro Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.07 03:15:00 - [85] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Last Wolf Burning to death, Drowning, or being buried alive. Other than that I think I could cope. Not afraid of death, Just the dying part Same. Although I don't think I'd have much of a problem with drowning. Burning, being buried alive. That's bad. Cadmium poisoning, being ripped to pieces (racking) and dying from any type of hemorrhagic fever virus ranks pretty high as well. Fear of being Buried alive is mostly a psychological thing for me. The rest is the sheer potential for pain. Drowning is actually rather peaceful after your lungs fill with water. Upto that point however, it sucks. Been there done that. No intention of trying it again.
Zora Xen	Posted - 2009.02.07 07:35:00 - [86] If anyone would like a fascinating read, try this Article. I'm not endorsing the views expressed, but it is very thought provoking.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Horsemen of Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.02.07 15:10:00 - [87] Originally by: Cmdr Sy The immediate events leading to death are a frightening prospect I do not like to think about, but the state itself, meh. I am not afraid of non-being, which is what I expect. basically this, i wish to die qucikly and suddenly / peacefully when im 70 years old or so i shudder at the thought of drowning, slowly bleeding, starving, or . . . . . burning to death Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Marie Duvolle	Posted - 2009.02.07 16:08:00 - [88] It's funny how humans somehow try to give their existence an extra twist to try and soothe their fears and insecureties. All these ideas of right, wrong etc... it's all unimportant. In the end we're just animals who get born, live and then die. Don't stir the hornet's nest
Haldane IV Einstein's Dreams	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:01:00 - [89] Originally by: goodby4u Well personally I wonder where the consiousness goes when somebody dies, which makes me a believer in"soul"transmigration or reincarnation. But the death subject myself I am definitately not afraid of, infact when it comes it might be interesting to find out whos right . Given that brains are the product of the evolutionary process, something that has long occupied my thoughts is what exactly human ôintelligenceö, or ôconsciousnessö, is, in the context I think this poster has in mind. Is there a point where it can be said that the bio-mechanical processes that go on in our brains that determine our actions/attitudes to any given situation/consideration, have evolved so far as to become something more than just an extremely sophisticated refinement of the tendency of neuron connections in our brains to spark in a particular way in response to a particular stimulus (a tendency determined by natural selection)? Are our thought processes still just a development of the basic "fight or flight" instinct, or have they become something more than that now? If the answer is yes, we have attained this state of being ôsomething moreö, I submit that it is a great shame that we as individuals are robbed of that state of consciousness by physical death. But if we are just biological machines, then logic dictates that all there is is that you just get on with your existence for as long as it continues, then it ends, no biggy. I donÆt think I have put that very well, but itÆs the best I can do. And I havenÆt made my mind up on the issue yet.
DubanFP Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:17:00 - [90] Originally by: Karrade Krise I don't believe in God and all that, but I don't consider myself Atheist or anything. Uhhh, that's the definition of athiest...
Cierejai Caldari BlackSite Prophecy	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:46:00 - [91] It's like falling asleep. You are not aware of it. It just happens. No pain. No light. No nothing. No one can prove anything, everyone has their own system of beliefs. No one is right, no one is wrong.
FunzzeR Counter Errorist Unit	Posted - 2009.02.08 03:15:00 - [92] Well... As a student of economics, I personally subscribe to the Economist's Theory of Reincarnation: "If you're good, you come back on a higher level. Cats come back as dogs, dogs come back as horses, and people--if they've been real good like George Washington--come back as money." Sorry could not help it.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2009.02.08 15:34:00 - [93] I die, I'm no longer there, so I cannot experience anything. I am nothing but electrical impulses in my body and when that disintegrates, I cease to be. Your cap ship deserves CPR's!
Ka Jolo The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.11 11:15:00 - [94] I believe in the more-or-less orthodox Christian version of life after death. This is an interesting question which cannot be objectively answered at this time, of course. Our answers all depend on our starting assumptions. I am a big fan of science and wonder if there is a way one could go about testing theories of existence after death. It seems to me we'd have to come to some deeper understanding of "life" and "death" than is philosophically possible at this time, and probably a deeper understanding of "self" and "person." (I'm thinking of people who seem to have become "someone else" or changed personality after traumatic head injuries; are they the same people?)
annoing	Posted - 2009.02.11 12:06:00 - [95] You're born, you die. The bit in the middle is called 'living' and life is for living, not hoping there is something better after it ends. Make the most of what you've got and get on with it. As for my personal beliefs. I will die and thats that. I am NOT scared of death itself. Do I want to die? Of course not, but I will. I have tried to explain to my children that death is inevitable and that they should celebrate life not mourn death. Actually, I just remembered something my great uncle Eric told me on his death-bed: You only truely die when the last person that remembers you die themselves.

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