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Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:31:00 - [31] Originally by: The Cursed I decided to write a small post here just to vent a little about how much i feel this game has fallen from grace. I started playing this game alittle after beta and enjoyed it with all my heart. The solo pvp and small group pvp which made this game awsome and the simple things such as mining and ratting. Then came along POS, blob warfare, t1,t2,t40000BP and nerfs of everything that made this game great. I feel now that game has just flatout flopped. It has to many shiny bells and to many bugs. God the buggz are everywhere and in every part of the game. When it comes to lag, ship readouts, the gate issues and did i mention the lag thats is in every part of the game. I recently decided to start playing again and found out that CCP has completed killed the art of solo pvp. I think they want mass blob warfare to cause so much lag that the game will just blow up and they can rid themselves of this horrible creation they have made. But the thing that really killed me was the arrangment of large scale fight by asking for more lag free stuff. I cant remeber the name of it atm. It like eve has turned into professinal sport and we need tv time to just fight. This is just sad. So i' ve decided that i will selling all of my toons(not on ebay for cash you ccp s****that like to ban everyone). This game just plan suck. Can I have your stuff? Oh, and enjoy wow.
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:01:00 - [32] and another nameless person succumbs to a game where you actually have to think. WoW = ---> that way Please, jump into traffic
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:04:00 - [33] Originally by: bff Jill Killboards. Killboards ruined eve. no eve ruined ma kbs My main has the flu but i am still here
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:30:00 - [34] Originally by: bff Jill Killboards. Killboards ruined eve. But without them people would not belive some of the Ship I get kills with.
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:33:00 - [35] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: bff Jill Killboards. Killboards ruined eve. But without them people would not belive some of the Ship I get kills with. dude i want your drone babies O_O that is so awesome havnt seen a battle badger for ages
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:38:00 - [36] ooh wait i found this little gem
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:41:00 - [37] Originally by: Armoured Gamer ooh wait i found this little gem That was one hell of a nasty bug that got that killed Got her back though Hugs GMs
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:41:00 - [38] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Armoured Gamer ooh wait i found this little gem That was one hell of a nasty bug that got that killed Got her back though Hugs GMs i reckon they should ban petitions :P
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:45:00 - [39] Edited by: baltec1 on 04/02/2009 23:47:47 Originally by: Armoured Gamer i reckon they should ban petitions :P Thats exactly what everyone in my corp said, or at least everyone who does missons in dirty smelly ravens Needless to say, she is staying parked up untill I get a massive overtank on her.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:47:00 - [40] Killboards happened.
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:51:00 - [41] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Killboards happened. so that what happened to my pie the KB took it bad KB very bad KB My main has the flu but i am still here
Kuranta Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:00:00 - [42] Thread needs to be derailed more - therefore, this thread is now about pie (the oven stuff, not the corp).
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:03:00 - [43] Could do with a good steak pie about now.
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:07:00 - [44] CCP wanted people to fight; PvP is, after all, a major aspect of the game. The problem is that people will simply run away most of the time. People might be stupid, but they're surprisingly less so when it comes to things like "hey, it's time to run away so I don't get pwned". There are two ways to tackle this problem. One of them seems easy on the surface, but simply creates more problems: keep people from running away. The other seems harder, but is a much more elegant and robust solution: give people a reason to CHOOSE to not run away. Naturally, they picked the easy way. Which was, of course, our entire giant array of disruptors, scramblers, bubbles, and so on, plus an array of nerfs to support them. It doesn't work so hot, yet we're stuck with all the side effects - the big one is the Warp Core Stabilizer nerf. CCP's most consistent mistake seems to be a faulty understanding of opportunity cost; you're already giving up a tanking or damage module for that warp core stab. The additional nerf means they're essentially useless for solo or hit and run fighting. Those tactics are pretty much completely off the table because once you've entered a fight against something you're actually able to hurt, your chances of escaping if you change your mind are usually near zero. Therefore... little or no solo combat, people just flee whenever possible. Why shouldn't they? There is nothing to stay and fight for, and entering combat is all or nothing. It extends to small groups, too - they're going to imediately turn tail and run if facing a group that might defeat them. Why wouldn't they? Because there is nothing to stay and fight for, and entering combat is all or nothing. It extends to the giant blobs, as well - no one wants to commit a force of ANY size unless they're sure they have the upper hand, so people pile into larger and larger blobs until they feel they're adequately blobified to take on any known hostile blobs. People scout 10 jumps in every direction, and if a larger blob is found... screw it, they disband the blob and everyone logs off or goes and missions on an alt. Why? Because there is nothing to stay and fight for, and entering combat is all or nothing. The "blob" complaint simply won't go away as long as CCP refuses to let you choose between a greater chance of escape or more firepower/tank, and they didn't want to because they were using that to cover for other problems.
Kuranta Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:10:00 - [45] Originally by: Grendelsbane CCP wanted people to fight; PvP is, after all, a major aspect of the game. The problem is that people will simply run away most of the time. People might be stupid, but they're surprisingly less so when it comes to things like "hey, it's time to run away so I don't get pwned". There are two ways to tackle this problem. One of them seems easy on the surface, but simply creates more problems: keep people from running away. The other seems harder, but is a much more elegant and robust solution: give people a reason to CHOOSE to not run away. Naturally, they picked the easy way. Which was, of course, our entire giant array of disruptors, scramblers, bubbles, and so on, plus an array of nerfs to support them. It doesn't work so hot, yet we're stuck with all the side effects - the big one is the Warp Core Stabilizer nerf. CCP's most consistent mistake seems to be a faulty understanding of opportunity cost; you're already giving up a tanking or damage module for that warp core stab. The additional nerf means they're essentially useless for solo or hit and run fighting. Those tactics are pretty much completely off the table because once you've entered a fight against something you're actually able to hurt, your chances of escaping if you change your mind are usually near zero. Therefore... little or no solo combat, people just flee whenever possible. Why shouldn't they? There is nothing to stay and fight for, and entering combat is all or nothing. It extends to small groups, too - they're going to imediately turn tail and run if facing a group that might defeat them. Why wouldn't they? Because there is nothing to stay and fight for, and entering combat is all or nothing. It extends to the giant blobs, as well - no one wants to commit a force of ANY size unless they're sure they have the upper hand, so people pile into larger and larger blobs until they feel they're adequately blobified to take on any known hostile blobs. People scout 10 jumps in every direction, and if a larger blob is found... screw it, they disband the blob and everyone logs off or goes and missions on an alt. Why? Because there is nothing to stay and fight for, and entering combat is all or nothing. The "blob" complaint simply won't go away as long as CCP refuses to let you choose between a greater chance of escape or more firepower/tank, and they didn't want to because they were using that to cover for other problems. too bold; didn't read
Fangedterror Caldari Alarius Elementum EvE Consortium	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:27:00 - [46] I would like to disagree with the OP. 1. Though Ive only been playing for 2 years i consider my self a vet in eve-online. I enjoy the new stuff that eve comes out with. the game keeps changing and growing (for better or worse). Thats what i enjoy about MMO's Like this. 2. Solo PvP is not dead like many have said before me, it has just become harder to find i would agree with that. I usually can flip in my trusty Thorax and i get tons of miners comming back in battleships and battle cruisers to fight me. ----------------------------------------
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:49:00 - [47] Originally by: The Cursed I think they want mass blob warfare to cause so much lag that the game will just blow up and they can rid themselves of this horrible creation they have made. hmmm...that sounds likely.
Draku Rykenen Gallente Exiled. Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:55:00 - [48] Wow, I was think just the opposite. Where did I go wrong??
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:57:00 - [49] Originally by: Draku Rykenen Wow, I was think just the opposite. Where did I go wrong?? You looked at the forums.
Caiman Graystock Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:00:00 - [50] GTFO Then.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:02:00 - [51] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 05/02/2009 01:04:10 You can't really tell me that people didn't ever try to use superior numbers to win fights in Beta. I didn't have to have been in the game since 2003 (and I wasn't) to know that there was never, ever a time when normal people would willingly start a fight they didn't think they could win. That has not changed. How could it have? The HP buff that hit in 05 or 06 or whenever might have lengthened the time needed to kill someone, allowing reinforcements to show up, but it's years later now and the whine level about the "death" of solo PvP seems to have only recently amplified to its current level. That last bit is just MHO of course.
Amish Juggernaut Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Research	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:06:00 - [52] THIS GAME JUST PLAN SUCK
Brackun State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:31:00 - [53] It is a pretty terrible game yeah. See you in space.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:33:00 - [54] You guys got trolled One post from OP, no reply
The Cursed Excrutiating Dirge	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:24:00 - [55] It good to see so many people post on this little thread i made out of pure bordom and anger of the game. The part that upsets me the most is none of you are vets of eve. Your all newbs who have been around less then 3 yrs and have spend most fo your time in empire. The game has changed and most of the people who i started this game with have left it for good. It had a good run ill give it that but its just not fun anymore. This will be my last post on the forum b/c i have given my account away. Beer em Good!!!!!!
mcnuggetlol Amarr Outlandish Operations	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:32:00 - [56] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eyFiClAzq8
BrundleMeth Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:44:00 - [57] Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Originally by: Cors Edited by: Cors on 04/02/2009 21:06:03 You want to do solo pvp. then solo. "Back in the day" you could solo too. And they COULD bring Blobs back then too. Just the blobs were harder to do because there were only like 1500 people on the server. So a "Blob" back then was 10 people. You still see Solo PVP. It's just rare, because any "small" alliance can get 50 people together to defend their space in minutes. That's the INTENTION. They're DEFENDING. We arn't dualing. We're DEFENDING/ATTACKING peoples space. Hell, try going to CVA Space as a "pirate". They have one of the fastest response time's I've seen to hostiles in local. I do small gang pvp each night. 4-7 of us. It's harder. It takes more patience. It takes more Practice. It takes more skill. Solo PVP can be had. But it's Rare. Who wants to solo when you can hunt with a small group of friends. What's the point of killing someone solo? EPeen? Killboards? The FUN in this game is doing things with friends. Find some friends, and do things with them. that's what MMO's are all about. Without the friends, it's just a boreing game. Just like all other MMO's. It's the friendships that make it fun. The point of soloing is that its more relaxing and you can do whatever you want at your own pace, without having to please someone else in gang, which can be exhausting, much like this run on sentence. comprende??? Exactly. I like playing alone, being alone and playing at my own pace. When I have to start taking orders in a game I might as well stay at work and get overtime...
Nephilius Caldari Grey Legionaires	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:47:00 - [58] I thought this was another BoB thread...ooops. exits
BrundleMeth Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:51:00 - [59] Originally by: The Cursed It good to see so many people post on this little thread i made out of pure bordom and anger of the game. The part that upsets me the most is none of you are vets of eve. Your all newbs who have been around less then 3 yrs and have spend most fo your time in empire. The game has changed and most of the people who i started this game with have left it for good. It had a good run ill give it that but its just not fun anymore. This will be my last post on the forum b/c i have given my account away. I wish I was a 3 year vet, wow I'd be so cool talking down to new players and all...
Vania ColeDart Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:53:00 - [60] hey maybe its not Eve thats fallen..maybe you have..maybe you need to go get your epeen on somwhere else so you can come back and play this game as it was intended..an mmo..not about individual ego but as one big combo epeen wooot.Oh and i resent the Galactic Civilizations comment..i love that game for when i wanna just be ANTISOCIAL.

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