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iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:40:00 - [1] Quote from latest CSM meeting minutes: Quote: Greyscale said that for the average player it was supposed to be played for only a limited amount of time, not forever. CCP sees a big social value in 0.0 and do not want to disrupt them by boosting FW too much, the same mistake they made when they added level4 missions causing 0.0 players to return to hi sec. Dear CCP, in particulare Greyscale, i don't want to be a class B player. You obviously think (at least you make it look like you think so) that those in 0.0 are the class A player, while HiSec are farmers anyways and FW is not worth your attention. I have some info from people in a large 0.0 alliance that they do the RMT big style, they own some very profitable system for exactly this reason. Every HiSec grinder looks tiny compared to the amounts of isk they make and sell. Why are they considered class A players ? In Faction Warfare we too lose a lot of ships, i lost hundreds of t2 modules, countless BS and BC so far, so I'm curbing the economy not less than someone in 0.0, why am I a class B player, while the 0.0 guy is your favourite customer ? It's not like he pays more money for his sub, nor do we cause your technicians headache with 300 man fleets in FW, like the 0.0 guys do. You already said it in this CSM meeting, it's easy to boost FW, simply give a desirable unique item exclusively for militia LP shops, which is suitable to create people start doing those missions en masse, providing more targets for pvper, injecting more live into FW areas. Why don't you want to do this, and see us as class B players that shouldn't be cared about so that they become the oh-so-desirable 0.0 players ?
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:42:00 - [2] You should tl;dr this horrible thread so I can figure out why it is so horrible and then I can troll you for being so horrible and then you can go back to never posting again because you're so horrible.
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:44:00 - [3] the idea of FW is the stepping stone to 0.0 you get used to the combats and then you have those light defining moments where you actually want to fight to accomplish something important and meaninful. it would be wiser on the part of CCP to do this and show the rewards to 0.0 so that the FW pilot move there >>>stepping stone<<<
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:44:00 - [4] TL;DR cynical version : "I don't want to earn less in FW than I earn living in 0.0"
iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:48:00 - [5] Originally by: An Anarchyyt You should tl;dr this horrible thread so I can figure out why it is so horrible and then I can troll you for being so horrible and then you can go back to never posting again because you're so horrible. I'm sorry if my English is bad (3rd language) and therefore not easy to read. But i didn't write this post for ******s that are not capable of reading a text with less than 20 lines anyways, so you are not the target audience. If you don't read it, why do you post a reply ?
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:54:00 - [6] Edited by: Armoured Gamer on 04/02/2009 22:55:26 Originally by: iudex Originally by: An Anarchyyt You should tl;dr this horrible thread so I can figure out why it is so horrible and then I can troll you for being so horrible and then you can go back to never posting again because you're so horrible. I'm sorry if my English is bad (3rd language) and therefore not easy to read. But i didn't write this post for *****s that are not capable of reading a text with less than 20 lines anyways, so you are not the target audience. If you don't read it, why do you post a reply ? because we the forum warriors loook upon your poast play inspirational music* and designate ourselves to post what our comments regardless what you think, if you didnt want people to reply , why would you post in the forum in the first place, as a member of the forum elite , carebear,0.0 combat pilot, ex FW pilot, gas miner, industralist, eve drug deeling pusher,mission ***** i say why can i not reply to your poast.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Armoured Gamer because we the forum warriors loook upon your poast play inspirational music and designate ourselves to post what our comments regardless what you think, if you didnt want people to reply , why would you post in the forum in the first place, as a member of the forum elite , carebear,0.0 combat pilot, ex FW pilot, gas miner, industralist, eve drug deeling pusher, i say why can i not reply to your poast. Yes, this is pretty much it. Basically, I saw your post. Ten I skimmed it and realized it sounded like a bad episode of a bad MTV reality show. So, I decided that I would have to berate you for you below-average intelligence. I hope this clears things up for you.
Kayosoni Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:56:00 - [8] Originally by: iudex Quote from latest CSM meeting minutes: Quote: Greyscale said that for the average player it was supposed to be played for only a limited amount of time, not forever. CCP sees a big social value in 0.0 and do not want to disrupt them by boosting FW too much, the same mistake they made when they added level4 missions causing 0.0 players to return to hi sec. Dear CCP, in particulare Greyscale, i don't want to be a class B player. You obviously think (at least you make it look like you think so) that those in 0.0 are the class A player, while HiSec are farmers anyways and FW is not worth your attention. I have some info from people in a large 0.0 alliance that they do the RMT big style, they own some very profitable system for exactly this reason. Every HiSec grinder looks tiny compared to the amounts of isk they make and sell. Why are they considered class A players ? In Faction Warfare we too lose a lot of ships, i lost hundreds of t2 modules, countless BS and BC so far, so I'm curbing the economy not less than someone in 0.0, why am I a class B player, while the 0.0 guy is your favourite customer ? It's not like he pays more money for his sub, nor do we cause your technicians headache with 300 man fleets in FW, like the 0.0 guys do. You already said it in this CSM meeting, it's easy to boost FW, simply give a desirable unique item exclusively for militia LP shops, which is suitable to create people start doing those missions en masse, providing more targets for pvper, injecting more live into FW areas. Why don't you want to do this, and see us as class B players that shouldn't be cared about so that they become the oh-so-desirable 0.0 players ? it is, in fact, a good thing that FW is a mid-tier thing in eve. Its main purpose was to give people targets (which it failed at). it is NOT a source of income, it's an expenditure. Get that out of your mind.
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:57:00 - [9] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Armoured Gamer because we the forum warriors loook upon your poast play inspirational music and designate ourselves to post what our comments regardless what you think, if you didnt want people to reply , why would you post in the forum in the first place, as a member of the forum elite , carebear,0.0 combat pilot, ex FW pilot, gas miner, industralist, eve drug deeling pusher, i say why can i not reply to your poast. Yes, this is pretty much it. Basically, I saw your post. Ten I skimmed it and realized it sounded like a bad episode of a bad MTV reality show. So, I decided that I would have to berate you for you below-average intelligence. I hope this clears things up for you. least someone was inspired by that :P i just poasted what i felt , and then i threw up a bit but i blame the op for that
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:04:00 - [10] You are only a class B player if you define yourself as such. This is a sandbox. Go play in the sandbox, and make what you want of it. -- 249km locking?
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:05:00 - [11] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 04/02/2009 23:05:45 FW PvP rewards need to be boosted, not plex rewards. I'm aware that there are good fights that go on in FW, but what do they accomplish other than free PvP? Do they have a strategic objective or some reward that comes out of them? Not really, because there is no meaningful pseudo-sovereignty mechanic for FW. Plex ownership doesn't count. tbh I sit in my Helios when semi-AFK and watch people speed tank plexes into contested status in Verge Vendor and I wonder what the big deal is.
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:05:00 - [12] a spy is sappin ma sandbox My main has the flu but i am still here
Thargat Caldari North Star Networks Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:09:00 - [13] We're all B class players. Cus there's ALWAYS someone out there who can give you a good beating. If you have 100mil SP in combat skills you could still be PWND in Jita market. If you have 100mil SP in trading you can still get scammed or podded (should you ever undock). You could be THE BEST missionrunner EVER and still get probed down and blown up. It all depends on how you look at it. If you decide that FW doesn't suit your needs you could always try another career. Breathing 0.0
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:12:00 - [14] i miss 0.0 already ... i want to be paid ='( i want my main back i miss my exe tag My main has the flu but i am still here
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:15:00 - [15] But capital blobs are not fun. FW is more fun than 0.0 and will be until they heavily nerf alliances. But then low sec is where all the real action is at. 0.0 is just a different kind of high sec, dangerous if you have no idea what you are doing, but perfectly calculable and predictable once you do, you just have to buy more clones. That's not harder, that's just more inconvenient. You are all a bunch of nubs and carebears.
Jinx Barker Caldari GFB Scientific	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:17:00 - [16] Originally by: iudex ...I have some info from people in a large 0.0 alliance that they do the RMT big style, they own some very profitable system for exactly this reason. Every HiSec grinder looks tiny compared to the amounts of isk they make and sell... I would agree with you on the point that CCP employees should try, and, avoid controversial statements that would appear to divide EVE community into preferred camps. Especially if they are basing it on their own play-style with the "real" characters. That notwithstanding, what information do you have exactly that implicates 0.0 alliances in RMT activities? And, why are you just implying it, rather than come out and say it? Although some of us might agree with the overall point you are making, garnering support for your cause is undermined by baseless innuendo, and should be avoided as much, as previously suggested, as CCP employees should avoid splitting up the community into preferred camps. So, if you do have an accusation to make about 0.0 alliances, be specific and make it, and tell us that you also filed a petition. If not, please do not make sweeping statements that would only serve to the detriment of getting objective picture of things.
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Jinx Barker So, if you do have an accusation to make about 0.0 alliances, be specific and make it, and tell us that you also filed a petition. If not, please do not make sweeping statements that would only serve to the detriment of getting objective picture of things. in period basis there is cake
iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:26:00 - [18] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Yes, this is pretty much it. Basically, I saw your post. Ten I skimmed it and realised it sounded like a bad episode of a bad MTV reality show. So, I decided that I would have to berate you for you below-average intelligence. I hope this clears things up for you. I don't need an evaluation of my posts by an obvious moron, who judges people before even having read their posts. Sure, my post might look somewhat dumb because it's written in poor English. I'm not from a English-speaking country, i don't use English at work and the school-time, where i learnt English, is quite a few years ago now, so i think i have a sufficient excuse for my bad English. Unlike other MMOs eve does not offer the possibility to make posts in my native English, so if you like devalue anyone with bad English, you silence a big part of the Eve online community. If you at least had a good point with your post, I'd not care, but you posted only crap and admitted that you even didn't read the OP before doing this. Yet you arrogate the right to yourself to judge the intelligence of someone. This proves your ignorance, intolerance and your lack of intelligence alike. Eve forums would be better off without you and your useless comments.
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:29:00 - [19] actually dude i am not complaining about your english just look at jenny spitfire, i am merly flaming about the stuff in your post... which is crap ... the forums would be better off with out people like you thinking what is best for eve when you have only been in it yourself for such a small amount of time. you can poast you comments but you dont need to go all defence when someone doesnt believe in what you do you are the pure ignorance that you portray the forum posters here ? how ironic is that My main has the flu but i am still here
Psilocin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:48:00 - [20] MY REWARDS FOR LOW RISK BACKBONE! Go play WoW. FOFOFOOOO!
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:49:00 - [21] Sorry but opting for achura that ship has sailed already. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
EnslaverOfMinmatar	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:49:00 - [22] ok, so stay in class C uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:49:00 - [23] wow is boring...hi kwissie bug o/ My main has the flu but i am still here
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:53:00 - [24] I live in 0.0! I a class A player! You may now bask in my awesomeness ---------------------- Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:56:00 - [25] Edited by: Armoured Gamer on 04/02/2009 23:56:46 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I live in 0.0! I a class A player! You may now bask in my awesomeness i was basking untill i realised i am in 0.0 aswell so ill just hug myself for a little bit :) p.s Ahem... KRIS FTW!! Yippe Ki'yay mutha **ers! My main has the flu but i am still here**
Kuranta Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:06:00 - [26] By strating this topic youi became a b class player - no matter what you do in eve. Cope with it or quit. FW is meant to bring players to 0.0. It's not meant to be a substitute. Adapt and stay or leave to 0.0.....or go back carebearing.
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:07:00 - [27] thread need Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Draku Rykenen Gallente Exiled. Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:53:00 - [28] erm, risk reward? In 0.0 the rats are much meaner, the missions are much harder and the players are bloodthirsty psychotics that will bend you over for no good reason and laugh as they pew pew months of your hard work into oblivion in a matter of minutes (sometimes seconds ). In Empire there is safety around every corner and you must go looking for trouble to find it. I could see a system that grants additional reimbursement for fighting on behalf your empire if a ship is lost in FW combat, but is it so eay to determine that? I dunno, the whole thing is dubious at best, but I can at least see the point about FW. Can't make all of empire a gold mine though.. then there would be much less reason to venture into 0.0. Frankly, 0.0 is where the game is really played. EVE isn't just a farm fest.. it is a battlefield on which mighty alliances struggle for wealth and power.
Ko Shimin Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:55:00 - [29] Originally by: Draku Rykenen erm, risk reward? In 0.0 the rats are much meaner, the missions are much harder and the players are bloodthirsty psychotics that will bend you over for no good reason and laugh as they pew pew months of your hard work into oblivion in a matter of minutes (sometimes seconds ). In Empire there is safety around every corner and you must go looking for trouble to find it. I could see a system that grants additional reimbursement for fighting on behalf your empire if a ship is lost in FW combat, but is it so eay to determine that? I dunno, the whole thing is dubious at best, but I can at least see the point about FW. Can't make all of empire a gold mine though.. then there would be much less reason to venture into 0.0. Frankly, 0.0 is where the game is really played. EVE isn't just a farm fest.. it is a battlefield on which mighty alliances struggle for wealth and power. Safety in empire??? Maybe if you are in an npc corp or in a very small corp, else you get war deced continously by merc and griefer corps, in the end grinding to replace ships that you lose during wars. Highsec can prove almost as dangerous as 0.0 for player corps but not as profitable as 0.0.
ShadowGod56	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:29:00 - [30] well if you don't want to be a B class player move out to a 0.0 corp and become an A class.

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