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Joachim LeHigh Caldari Vivi Vox Veritas Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:03:00 - [1] Let's consider this. This could actually an excellent thing for eve, provided they don't restore BoB (which I don't think they will or even can). With the power vacuum in Delve, Pandemic Legion, Northern Coalition, Goons, maybe Imperial Republic of the North are all going to make a move on that wonderfully empty and ripe for the taking Blood Raider territory. What is going to result is a great deal of dramatic and exciting PVP and coalitions and alliances will be formed, broken, territory will move back and forth between the hands of various alliances and it will be pretty exciting for them. This will also get those large alliances involved in something, rather than boredly picking on smaller alliance,s because they have nothing better to do, because their position in EVE has become stagnant. In turn, these smaller alliances will have to grow and make a name for themselves, and perhaps even make a move against those larger alliances, leading to more intrigue and fun for all. So rather than waggling your e-peens at each other and saying "Oh CCP will do this, CCP will do that" and all of the other smack and idiocy going on on COAD right now, let's wait for CCP to actually post an OFFICIAL response and try to curb the hearsay?
Dog Solitude Minmatar Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:07:00 - [2] Edited by: Dog Solitude on 05/02/2009 05:07:17 The epic proportions of todays epicness will surely echo in the corridors of time for all eternity....epically. /edit: I too, feel epic.
Fire Ants Caldari The Greater Goon	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:14:00 - [3] I'll bring the chips.
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:16:00 - [4] Edited by: Synapse Archae on 05/02/2009 05:16:56 Edited by: Synapse Archae on 05/02/2009 05:16:03 Not a good thing for eve. What makes eve tick is the players and the shared things they can build together. BoB lost their alliance (more important of a shared object than anything else) to a rage-quitting director, not to any kind of battle. Its NOT the kind of experience that will make anyone stay in or start in Eve, because it's kind of a dumb weak ending to something with so much energy put into it. In the end this will weaken Eve because we will lose players over it. Nobody joins the game because they think it will be epic to have their alliance disbanded by a spy. Screw that they will play something else. We will lose BoB players for sure, we will probably lose others, and I don't see it bringing anyone new to the game like an epic battle over delve would. Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
Andrzej Poastewicz Caldari THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:23:00 - [5] ya, definitely good thing that people know you can hack account, disband alliance, and rest easy to know ccp don't do anything about it but maybe ban scapegoat accts. funny to see NC celebrate it, supposed anti-meta game group who *** like *** since 2005 at slight hint of techniques.
Space Hog Minmatar NEW DAWN CO INTERDICTION	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:24:00 - [6] resv Recruitment
Graalum Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:26:00 - [7] it could be a very boring next 6 months
Mr Ignitious Gallente R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Synapse Archae Edited by: Synapse Archae on 05/02/2009 05:16:56 Edited by: Synapse Archae on 05/02/2009 05:16:03 Not a good thing for eve. What makes eve tick is the players and the shared things they can build together. BoB lost their alliance (more important of a shared object than anything else) to a rage-quitting director, not to any kind of battle. Its NOT the kind of experience that will make anyone stay in or start in Eve, because it's kind of a dumb weak ending to something with so much energy put into it. In the end this will weaken Eve because we will lose players over it. Nobody joins the game because they think it will be epic to have their alliance disbanded by a spy. Screw that they will play something else. We will lose BoB players for sure, we will probably lose others, and I don't see it bringing anyone new to the game like an epic battle over delve would. funny how such huge intimidating things can end quite anticlimactically... Hm, such as it should be. BoB was a static, boring force in EvE. It will be good to have a fresh new fight for space again. Originally by: CCP Zulupark WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
Havoc GunStar Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:27:00 - [9] Quote: Its NOT the kind of experience that will make anyone stay in or start in Eve, because it's kind of a dumb weak ending to something with so much energy put into it. Are we talking about BoB disbanding here, or their recent fleet performance?
Zapp Brannigahn Amarr Interstellar Defense Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:27:00 - [10] lol IRON doing anything
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:31:00 - [11] Regardless of all the goons and NC chest beating, Guess what guys? Your still trash. 1 man did more damage to BoB then you ever have and ever will. Then again I'm sure you'll go on about "lol rp corp" "we are destined to fail because we are GS" "blah blah blah bitter blah" All of BoB and Ex-BoB has always, and will always, be better then you, and there's not a damn thing you can do.
Havoc GunStar Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:32:00 - [12] Yes indeed FINFLEET IS THE BEST CORP IN BOB
is 4porn Minmatar THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:37:00 - [13] imo the only real effect of this is goon morale soaring to an annoyingly new high bob will have to retreat from the south for a while, the GBC will have to stop..... well, losing ships to PL posgunners in aridia for while ( :P ) but in the end there will still be a crapload of ppl in delve, and plenty of exe/pet sov, so any half competent alliance that think they can now 'take a slice of delve' will fail hard. AAA is in for a cup of **** though, gl lolrp'ers :)
Daoi Sith Gallente Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Andrzej Poastewicz ya, definitely good thing that people know you can hack account, disband alliance, and rest easy to know ccp don't do anything about it but maybe ban scapegoat accts. funny to see NC celebrate it, supposed anti-meta game group who *** like *** since 2005 at slight hint of techniques. do you have proof it was a hack ? information so far is that a BoB director (Haargoth Agamar) simply used his roles to disband alliance. this appears to be in-game mechanics not a hack. its not even metagaming. its simply the harsh environment of EvE. one toon switched sides and poof, buh bye.
De Guantanamo Gallente Red White and Screwed	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Andrzej Poastewicz ya, definitely good thing that people know you can hack account, disband alliance, and rest easy to know ccp don't do anything about it but maybe ban scapegoat accts. funny to see NC celebrate it, supposed anti-meta game group who *** like *** since 2005 at slight hint of techniques. ex-BoB alt spotted
Perne Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Havoc GunStar Yes indeed FINFLEET WAS THE BEST CORP IN BOB fixed
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Andrzej Poastewicz ya, definitely good thing that people know you can hack account, disband alliance, and rest easy to know ccp don't do anything about it but maybe ban scapegoat accts. funny to see NC celebrate it, supposed anti-meta game group who *** like *** since 2005 at slight hint of techniques. Sorry to burst your illusion, but Haargoth didn't get hacked.
Herencia Rota Caldari The Knights of Eire	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:04:00 - [18] Exept when the goons take all the good moons and T2 prices go to the ruins.
Kami Rikiushi Caldari Federation	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Andrzej Poastewicz ya, definitely good thing that people know you can hack account, disband alliance, and rest easy to know ccp don't do anything about it but maybe ban scapegoat accts. funny to see NC celebrate it, supposed anti-meta game group who *** like *** since 2005 at slight hint of techniques. Sux doesn't it? When the masters of meta-gaming, get metagamed by the nono's called goons ;) Cry more, your tears are deff not bitter enough :D
Hyveres Caldari The Milano friendship committee of Norway	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:17:00 - [20] Who cares its just 0.0 politics that wont affect the majority of players anyway. "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
Shubs Gallente coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:23:00 - [21] no the game will be completely and utterly sit without BoB, everyone will be blue and it wont just be northern coalition it'l be "EvE coalition" suppose you guys could all go shoot the rats together or run plex's ;/, i know this is game mechanics but thats really low and pathetic, just shows they couldnt fight bob properly and had to resort to this, hopefuly CCP will do something about it Pack it up, Pack it in, come on let it begin! - Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo -*
kano donn Amarr Phase Line Alpha	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:34:00 - [22] anyone ever think that this might make goon fleet the dominant force when T3 comes out?
leboe Gallente Dark Star Cartel Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:38:00 - [23] Ok, goons won eve, now...global standings reset!
Hera Vertigo Caldari Meridian Dynamics Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:40:00 - [24] Edited by: Hera Vertigo on 05/02/2009 07:42:07 What happened today was an exploit. Its one of those exploits that doesnt get taken seriously until it happens. I can "barely" understand spying and corp theft being a vaild tactic but this... this is just horrid. I wouldn't wish what has happened today on anyone. The fact that the Goons did such an act that no only affects a corp but the entire EVE overnight just tells you more about what the Goons are about. Also, if CCP does not react, which I suspect they won't its is going to effect EVE long term for a long long time. It may even blow out CCP's recent advances in the money / membership department. Imagine all the time they have been spending tring to get new players into EVE only have have twice as many leave the game forever in a 2 week span. Lets see if they will be able to have enough capital to keep the servers online. Considering CCP are based in Iceland where they are IRL having serious financial issues, a sudden revenue drop can have untold consequences. So in a nutshell I hope CCP does something about this. But if they don't they might be putting their entire company at risk over a concept that should have been fixed years ago. But then again. Look at the recent Moon Mining scam.. Eitherway, its a pretty crappy way to even the score. For those who think this will open up the space lanes to smaller entities.. Think again.. But if you need proof.. Just take a look at the drone regions. Guess it is time for the NC, PL, Goon, RA and alt alliances, power blocs to declare war on each other to keep it interesting. But I suspect they won't.. But you never know what the future holds.. But I feel its going to be a bleak year.
FlameGlow Caldari Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Hera Vertigo Edited by: Hera Vertigo on 05/02/2009 07:42:07 What happened today was an exploit. Its one of those exploits that doesnt get taken seriously until it happens. I can "barely" understand spying and corp theft being a vaild tactic but this... this is just horrid. I wouldn't wish what has happened today on anyone. BoB were using spies to gain advantage all the time, is it's an exploit they sould have been banned long ago They'll just have to reform the alliance and actually fight for Delve instead of turtling up behind cynojammers and titans. Should be fun for a month or so, before sov gets back up _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
Zemi Dahut Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Hera Vertigo Edited by: Hera Vertigo on 05/02/2009 07:42:07 What happened today was an exploit. Its one of those exploits that doesnt get taken seriously until it happens. I can "barely" understand spying and corp theft being a vaild tactic but this... this is just horrid. I wouldn't wish what has happened today on anyone. The fact that the Goons did such an act that no only affects a corp but the entire EVE overnight just tells you more about what the Goons are about. Also, if CCP does not react, which I suspect they won't its is going to effect EVE long term for a long long time. It may even blow out CCP's recent advances in the money / membership department. Imagine all the time they have been spending tring to get new players into EVE only have have twice as many leave the game forever in a 2 week span. Lets see if they will be able to have enough capital to keep the servers online. Considering CCP are based in Iceland where they are IRL having serious financial issues, a sudden revenue drop can have untold consequences. So in a nutshell I hope CCP does something about this. But if they don't they might be putting their entire company at risk over a concept that should have been fixed years ago. But then again. Look at the recent Moon Mining scam.. Eitherway, its a pretty crappy way to even the score. For those who think this will open up the space lanes to smaller entities.. Think again.. But if you need proof.. Just take a look at the drone regions. Guess it is time for the NC, PL, Goon, RA and alt alliances, power blocs to declare war on each other to keep it interesting. But I suspect they won't.. But you never know what the future holds.. But I feel its going to be a bleak year. I notice you didn't say anything when Jack Noble used a director level spy to reset Sov in DG- so I'll take this hurf blurf with a grain of salt.
Reapeat Offender Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Hera Vertigo Edited by: Hera Vertigo on 05/02/2009 07:42:07 What happened today was an exploit. Its one of those exploits that doesnt get taken seriously until it happens. I can "barely" understand spying and corp theft being a vaild tactic but this... this is just horrid. I wouldn't wish what has happened today on anyone. The fact that the Goons did such an act that no only affects a corp but the entire EVE overnight just tells you more about what the Goons are about. Also, if CCP does not react, which I suspect they won't its is going to effect EVE long term for a long long time. It may even blow out CCP's recent advances in the money / membership department. Imagine all the time they have been spending tring to get new players into EVE only have have twice as many leave the game forever in a 2 week span. Lets see if they will be able to have enough capital to keep the servers online. Considering CCP are based in Iceland where they are IRL having serious financial issues, a sudden revenue drop can have untold consequences. So in a nutshell I hope CCP does something about this. But if they don't they might be putting their entire company at risk over a concept that should have been fixed years ago. But then again. Look at the recent Moon Mining scam.. Eitherway, its a pretty crappy way to even the score. For those who think this will open up the space lanes to smaller entities.. Think again.. But if you need proof.. Just take a look at the drone regions. Guess it is time for the NC, PL, Goon, RA and alt alliances, power blocs to declare war on each other to keep it interesting. But I suspect they won't.. But you never know what the future holds.. But I feel its going to be a bleak year. What goes around...comes around. No one deserved this more than TAFKAB.
Azeroth Uluntil Caldari HOMELESS. The Shelter	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Zapp Brannigahn lol IRON doing anything /signed A dying dog should hurry up and die tbh.
FOl2TY8 Gallente Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:52:00 - [29] One thing for sure is there will be many fights coming. I might go to Delve and see whats goin on. I'd love to see a titan log on and get ambushed. That would make that hour it would take to kill it. ---------- The six paths and the four lives....
FOl2TY8 Gallente Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:57:00 - [30] Who cares if this was an exploit? Apparently it was all within the current game mechanics so it is now a great mmo event. CCP may change security just by making it more intricate. This won't stop players from getting sweet sweet peach pie all over there fingers. ---------- The six paths and the four lives....
Poseign Amarr International House of PWNCakes B.L.A.C.K.	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:59:00 - [31] Edited by: Poseign on 05/02/2009 10:03:03 Im sorry but Bob being disbanded like this isnt gonna stop hundreds of players from playing this game, a handfull maybe, but nothing drastic. And I would have to agree with the people saying this will make for more interesting fights in delve/querious. Originally by: rValdez5987 Regardless of all the goons and NC chest beating, Guess what guys? Your still trash. 1 man did more damage to BoB then you ever have and ever will. Then again I'm sure you'll go on about "lol rp corp" "we are destined to fail because we are GS" "blah blah blah bitter blah" All of BoB and Ex-BoB has always, and will always, be better then you, and there's not a damn thing you can do. If BoB can somehow keep from tearing themselves apart, reform under a new name, and hold their space without the use of cyno jammers for a little over a month then we'll re-evaluate how "great" BoB is/was. Trying to take a more neutral look at this, the biggest effect this has on BoB is they dont have Cyno jammers. All of their corps are still there, their posses are still there. They still have the ub3r sh*t ton of titans they had before their name ceased to exist. If they are as tight knit as they made themselves out to be, they will re-unite under another name and continue to defend their space without jammers. The test is whether or not they are stable enough after this to actually pull that off.
Emerald Cortess Caldari Konstrukteure der Zukunft AAA Citizens	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:11:00 - [32] Originally by: FOl2TY8 Who cares if this was an exploit? Apparently it was all within the current game mechanics so it is now a great mmo event. CCP may change security just by making it more intricate. This won't stop players from getting sweet sweet peach pie all over there fingers. Well, think about this: If CCP changes now the disbanding of an alliance (like a vote is needed first), they would admit that that what happened was not ok. So, only right moves from CCP would be either doing nothing or doing a rollback and implementing such a feature. But so far i know CCP, they just **** up completely and give no official statement and just implenet such a feature in one of the upcoming patches. For my self, i can't believe that anyone really like the idea, that it is possible and allowed for a single person to ruin the fun in a game for hundreds of players.
Princess Leiah Gallente Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:28:00 - [33] doubt anyone will leave the game due to this, well maybe a few "bobbers" who feel mistreated, i call it well played by goons, im not a big bob fan, or fan of any alliance really, but as long as they did it the way it seem, then i can only call it well played, they used roles to damage their opponent, sure its a different aproach, but as long as its withing game mechanics, all bob can do now is either crumble or rise again under a new name. And im sure CCP will look at the ways you disband stuff now, but since it havent been an issue before, they havent really had the option to solve it Over and out
Skeltem Amarr Trans-Solar Works FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:29:00 - [34] I agree that if BoB really was so uber, they'd get their **** together and reform, fighting again for their alleged status. Foundati0n had a similar problem only 2 weeks ago. Admitted, we own a fraction of BoB's assets. But after many curses on the head of the director in question we reunited within 24h and only some standings confusion remains. We will see what they do. Could be chance to shake up an overly complacent EVE behemoth whose skills at the game were lacking in the last months anyway. More interesting is what -A- will do now. I'd assume that TAFKAB will hury back to Delve and leave Evil Thug, teeth and all, with a vulnerable northern flank. And with the goon morale at an all time high this could become quiete exciting.
Quebber Caldari Cursed Souls Vort3x.	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:05:00 - [35] if this stands, the question should be which alliance is going to become victim of a copycat? Because surely this make any kind of pvp irrelevant, if all it takes is for 1 spy to kill an alliance why bother having massive fleet ops.
Lanacane Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:12:00 - [36] Originally by: Shubs no the game will be completely and utterly s*it without BoB, everyone will be blue and it wont just be northern coalition it'l be "EvE coalition" suppose you guys could all go shoot the rats together or run plex's ;/, i know this is game mechanics but thats really low and pathetic, just shows they couldnt fight bob properly and had to resort to this, hopefuly CCP will do something about it Fight BoB properly? I suppose you would know everything about how to fight correctly since you and BoB failed at making it past M-O a few months back. Fill me in pls..
Salastil Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:27:00 - [37] Originally by: Shubs no the game will be completely and utterly sit without BoB, everyone will be blue and it wont just be northern coalition it'l be "EvE coalition" suppose you guys could all go shoot the rats together or run plex's ;/, i know this is game mechanics but thats really low and pathetic, just shows they couldnt fight bob properly and had to resort to this, hopefuly CCP will do something about it It won't be "sht" without BoB. AAA has proved that the game is quite healthy and people's ego will dissolve positive standings quite easily. Goonswarm was actually an enemy of Razor and MM some time ago. But the fact remains that BoB has been a paper tiger and got thrown out of the North by the scruff of their neck. Now they're crying in their IRC that 'Cynojammers are broken" and "Titan ruin the game for everyone" which is a complete parody of themselves in Delve. Nobody wanted to bother taking Delve since BoB has indirectly abused the pos warfare system by dropping as many stations as they possibly could, given the rate it was progressing Delve would be more station dense than some lowsec regions. Given how lackluster they've been this could be the kick in the rear coax the new membership into a uniform body instead of the rabble they are now.
Karthwritte Amarr Manufact Co.	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:51:00 - [38] I made my meditation yesterday night and I think the biggest looser here its SirMolle and BoB Pets. The Bob Corps have a chance of rejoining once they have a new name, but still it have some chances of being disbanded forever.
Aminatar Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 13:27:00 - [39] Originally by: rValdez5987 Regardless of all the goons and NC chest beating, Guess what guys? Your still trash. 1 man did more damage to BoB then you ever have and ever will. Then again I'm sure you'll go on about "lol rp corp" "we are destined to fail because we are GS" "blah blah blah bitter blah" All of BoB and Ex-BoB has always, and will always, be better then you, and there's not a damn thing you can do. "your" as dumb as ever, hth
Feral Lady Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:24:00 - [40] In the larger sense, CCP are careless game designers for constructing an interface that lets this happen. No vote, no cooling off period, nothing. Pathetic
Ryuga VonRhaiden Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:48:00 - [41] IMO it's just flawed mechanic that one person (even the CEO of executor alliance, even Molle shouldn't be able to do that in 5 minutes) can shut down an entire alliance that easily... Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature.
Max Hardcase Gallente Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:51:00 - [42] Me thinks that the risk/reward ratio of this game mechanic is ever so slightly skewed.
Mai Doran Amarr Sacred Templars Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:01:00 - [43] The one thing I think will happen for sure out of this is that CCP will change the mechanics so that no single person within a corp can do something like this. Generally in the past CCP has shown itself to be more reactive than proactive so usually it takes something to happen before they fix it. Bob disband though this? No can't see it happening at all, as far as I know the applications are already in for the new alliance so depending on when they go through I would expect to see a massive gain in sov in the area either tomorrow or Saturday. True there will be no jammers or jump bridges but Bob have enough titans to overcome the latter (at least when it matters) Remember what happened when MC backstabbed Bob? It lit a fire under their backside, I think Goons just did the same thing but time will tell.
mama guru Gallente Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:11:00 - [44] Originally by: Mai Doran Remember what happened when MC backstabbed Bob? It lit a fire under their backside, I think Goons just did the same thing but time will tell. MC shot bob in the foot. BOB shot themselves in the head. It's different EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Mai Doran Amarr Sacred Templars Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:17:00 - [45] Originally by: mama guru Originally by: Mai Doran Remember what happened when MC backstabbed Bob? It lit a fire under their backside, I think Goons just did the same thing but time will tell. MC shot bob in the foot. BOB shot themselves in the head. It's different If you'd seen the cap fleet that headed back to Delve earlier on this evening I think you'd rethink that statement.
mama guru Gallente Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:30:00 - [46] Originally by: Mai Doran Originally by: mama guru Originally by: Mai Doran Remember what happened when MC backstabbed Bob? It lit a fire under their backside, I think Goons just did the same thing but time will tell. MC shot bob in the foot. BOB shot themselves in the head. It's different If you'd seen the cap fleet that headed back to Delve earlier on this evening I think you'd rethink that statement. Im not saying i know whats going on down there. Im saying this is a loss on BOB's end, not a victory by the goons. Their involvement was minimal at best. Will they capitalize on that? Sure, will the rest of eve that hates bob do that? Yes. EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:41:00 - [47] Originally by: Emerald Cortess For my self, i can't believe that anyone really like the idea, that it is possible and allowed for a single person to ruin the fun in a game for hundreds of players. Is this bit about titans or BoB being dissolved, I can't tell.
Dastycakes Caldari THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Graalum it could be a very boring next 6 months this^^ Now one side will control all of 00 and it will be one big giant napfest. Eve will stagnate and die without conflicts. Hopefully bob can come back from this under a new name.
Prince Sallerus Caldari Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:46:00 - [49] BoB wasn't the same BoB it had been. Nothing lasts forever. Not even Goons will last forever. It kind of sucks that BoB ended this way rather than in the conflagration of a huge war, but then again, that level of warfare is almost impossible after a certain point. It always was a battle of attrition between the two huge entities. The winner was always going to be the one who could get inside and cut from within. It is still shocking to see, though. I agree this could be very good for EVE. It will allow for a change in the guard. I highly doubt Goons et al are going to run over the sov-less space, not with everyone else and their mother also foaming at the mouth for it. Add to this further polarity in the opinions of Goons and their friends and there is potential for an even stronger power bloc to some day rise from the ashes of BoB. I also agree this could be very bad for EVE, because it clearly exposes a fatal flaw in the very systems that bring people together to begin with. This is a game mechanic, and it means it could just as easily happen to Goonswarm tomorrow. Unlikely, but possible. If this is working as intended, CCP needs to take a hard look at the true cost of this debacle. Whether you love BoB or hate BoB, hundreds of real people could really lose interest in a hobby they really previously enjoyed. There are intangible costs associated with this. I think CCP will let things stand as they are, but they will make significant adjustments to prevent this from happening again. I think the war over Delve will be agonizing for some and a wild ride for everyone else. And while the Goons claim victory over this, they still have yet to claim the spoils.. entire constellations worth of spoils... and that is not done with one click of a button. Many clicks will be needed. And not just the Goons will be clicking.
Atropos Kahn Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:54:00 - [50] This is why EVE is the best MMO in the known universe... This epic act completely re-invents the game. So props to GOONS for releasing this (player driven) expansion... just waiting for the patch notes! :) See you all on the battlefield!
News R3porter Caldari THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:57:00 - [51] are people forgetting that cyno jammers and sov 4 didnt even exist a year and a half a go and yet BoB still held their space then, along with the majority of alliances.
YChin Mei Caldari The All-Seeing Eye G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.02.05 21:12:00 - [52] Originally by: Prince Sallerus I think CCP will let things stand as they are, but they will make significant adjustments to prevent this from happening again. This would be very unfair to the ex-BoB members. If what happened was not an intended feature then CCP should rollback. If it was, then they should leave it be in order to let others use this terrible feature as a weapon next time against Goon for eg. A mixed solution wont be fair, 'cause not CCP are those who are affected by the consequences of this 'flaw' in the system but the members of BoB.
Hera Vertigo Caldari Meridian Dynamics Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2009.02.05 21:43:00 - [53] Edited by: Hera Vertigo on 05/02/2009 21:43:47 Pherhaps there may be some directors in other allaiances like GoonSwarm or whatever that will decide to make a statement on how crappy this "feature" in the game is and screw over their members of their allaiance. I wonder how many times it will take for something to happen.
Tavor Jeager Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.05 21:46:00 - [54] Edited by: Tavor Jeager on 05/02/2009 21:47:19 Edited by: Tavor Jeager on 05/02/2009 21:46:59 Originally by: YChin Mei Originally by: Prince Sallerus I think CCP will let things stand as they are, but they will make significant adjustments to prevent this from happening again. This would be very unfair to the ex-BoB members. If what happened was not an intended feature then CCP should rollback. If it was, then they should leave it be in order to let others use this terrible feature as a weapon next time against Goon for eg. A mixed solution wont be fair, 'cause not CCP are those who are affected by the consequences of this 'flaw' in the system but the members of BoB. That doesn't really make sense, that like saying if nanos weren't intended they should stay the same or everyone that ever lost a ship to a nano ship should get there stuff back. Really this is a rather flawed game mechanic and I don't really care if CCP restore Band Of Brothers Alliance or not as long as this is fixed. EDIT: Inserted the Quote Tavor Jeager Matari Warrior
Palmer Eldritch Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:06:00 - [55] Originally by: News R3porter are people forgetting that cyno jammers and sov 4 didnt even exist a year and a half a go and yet BoB still held their space then, along with the majority of alliances. Good point. BoB should still rule Delve, and have no excuse if they lose it. Providing eve with unbiased news
Static Kinetics Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:07:00 - [56] Edited by: Static Kinetics on 05/02/2009 22:08:06 A BoB director defected. This is an exploit... how? Lots of wild speculation itt (btw, it doesn't matter, because CCP isn't going to do anything) also, we didn't want that alliance anyway also, lol ex-bob emo nerdraging itt
Doosh Bagge Minmatar THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:08:00 - [57] Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Let's consider this. This could actually an excellent thing for eve, provided they don't restore BoB (which I don't think they will or even can). With the power vacuum in Delve, Pandemic Legion, Northern Coalition, Goons, maybe Imperial Republic of the North are all going to make a move on that wonderfully empty and ripe for the taking Blood Raider territory. What is going to result is a great deal of dramatic and exciting PVP and coalitions and alliances will be formed, broken, territory will move back and forth between the hands of various alliances and it will be pretty exciting for them. This will also get those large alliances involved in something, rather than boredly picking on smaller alliance,s because they have nothing better to do, because their position in EVE has become stagnant. In turn, these smaller alliances will have to grow and make a name for themselves, and perhaps even make a move against those larger alliances, leading to more intrigue and fun for all. So rather than waggling your e-peens at each other and saying "Oh CCP will do this, CCP will do that" and all of the other smack and idiocy going on on COAD right now, let's wait for CCP to actually post an OFFICIAL response and try to curb the hearsay? So, let's see... There are two sides in a war. One side is suddenly removed from battle, leaving the other side to dominate everything. Yeah, I see your logic. One douche to rule them all.
Cupdeez Caldari Out of Order	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:21:00 - [58] From what I hear Goons had nothing to do with BOB disbanding. BOB was busted for using a POS Exploit. CCP disbanded BOB. Would not be the 1st time they did something to this effect. CCP banned other alliances for the same exploit.
Proconsul Para Minmatar Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2009.02.05 22:52:00 - [59] Originally by: mama guru MC shot bob in the foot. BOB shot themselves in the head. You didn't just compare the deliberate actions of a group of people, with the emorage of a single madman, did you !?
Cal Hydar Caldari DAB	Posted - 2009.02.05 23:15:00 - [60] I think, ultimately, this will hurt the game. Hundreds of people put time into building and maintaining the alliance, only to have to all ****ed away by one person. EVE is a game, after all. It's meant to be fun. When you allow the fun to be removed for hundreds by one person, you fail your community. Just my two cents... -------- sig here
Cupdeez Caldari Out of Order	Posted - 2009.02.11 19:43:00 - [61] actually this is what made the game. Stealing, spies, major thefts, and anything else you really can't do in RL.
SK Rooster Gallente No Trademark	Posted - 2009.02.11 20:56:00 - [62] Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Let's consider this. This could actually an excellent thing for eve, provided they don't restore BoB (which I don't think they will or even can). With the power vacuum in Delve, Pandemic Legion, Northern Coalition, Goons, maybe Imperial Republic of the North are all going to make a move on that wonderfully empty and ripe for the taking Blood Raider territory. apparently you dont realize all those people are napped and it will lead to no fighting if said group beats kenzoku
Fo RumChar Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.11 21:35:00 - [63] Originally by: SK Rooster Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Let's consider this. This could actually an excellent thing for eve, provided they don't restore BoB (which I don't think they will or even can). With the power vacuum in Delve, Pandemic Legion, Northern Coalition, Goons, maybe Imperial Republic of the North are all going to make a move on that wonderfully empty and ripe for the taking Blood Raider territory. apparently you dont realize all those people are napped and it will lead to no fighting if said group beats kenzoku Im sure just a few of those naps are due to a common enemy named KEN exBOB. -Fo
Fo RumChar Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.11 21:38:00 - [64] Also KEN and friends could always rent some space from aAa if they lose Delve anyways. -Fo
Ogodai John Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.11 21:38:00 - [65] Originally by: Fo RumChar Originally by: SK Rooster Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Let's consider this. This could actually an excellent thing for eve, provided they don't restore BoB (which I don't think they will or even can). With the power vacuum in Delve, Pandemic Legion, Northern Coalition, Goons, maybe Imperial Republic of the North are all going to make a move on that wonderfully empty and ripe for the taking Blood Raider territory. apparently you dont realize all those people are napped and it will lead to no fighting if said group beats kenzoku Im sure just a few of those naps are due to a common enemy named KEN exBOB. man no what are you thinking? everyone will stay blue after kenny is dead, it's not like there ever was any shooting before them
Orange Faeces Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.11 22:06:00 - [66] Originally by: Fo RumChar Originally by: KennyBoy apparently you dont realize all those people are napped and it will lead to no fighting if said group beats kenzoku Im sure just a few of those naps are due to a common enemy named KEN exBOB. a few? more like all. oF ---
Presidio Minmatar ZipZoom Kaboom Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.11 22:10:00 - [67] Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden IMO it's just flawed mechanic that one person (even the CEO of executor alliance, even Molle shouldn't be able to do that in 5 minutes) can shut down an entire alliance that easily... Also logged off titan's shouldn't be able to get popped either but such are game mechanics. Welcome to EVE. -
Fo RumChar Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.12 04:15:00 - [68] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Fo RumChar Originally by: SK Rooster Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Let's consider this. This could actually an excellent thing for eve, provided they don't restore BoB (which I don't think they will or even can). With the power vacuum in Delve, Pandemic Legion, Northern Coalition, Goons, maybe Imperial Republic of the North are all going to make a move on that wonderfully empty and ripe for the taking Blood Raider territory. apparently you dont realize all those people are napped and it will lead to no fighting if said group beats kenzoku Im sure just a few of those naps are due to a common enemy named KEN exBOB. man no what are you thinking? everyone will stay blue after kenny is dead, it's not like there ever was any shooting before them Im sorry i forgot before KEN ex-BOB there was no fighting in EVE we are all DOOMED! Some of the best fights in EVE happened before official alliance formation was in EVE, starting the first day the servers went live. Please save the stupidity, Thanks. -Fo
Fo RumChar Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.12 04:17:00 - [69] Originally by: Orange Faeces Originally by: Fo RumChar Originally by: KennyBoy apparently you dont realize all those people are napped and it will lead to no fighting if said group beats kenzoku Im sure just a few of those naps are due to a common enemy named KEN exBOB. a few? more like all. oF Was being a tad sarcastic. -Fo
Civrax Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.12 04:19:00 - [70] Originally by: Synapse Archae In the end this will weaken Eve because we will lose players over it. Nobody joins the game because they think it will be epic to have their alliance disbanded by a spy. Screw that they will play something else. We will lose BoB players for sure, we will probably lose others, and I don't see it bringing anyone new to the game like an epic battle over delve would. "Hey guys we just nuked the BoB alliance." 100 Goons Resub Yes, this clearly can do nothing for bringing people into the game..

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