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Phienta Caldari Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2009.02.06 17:34:00 - [31] Originally by: bff Jill Caldari.. well... pve the problem with its sniping battleship is that fleets dont engage at the rokhs max range becuase its nobody elses max range. It makes for a nice blaster boat at medium ranges. Very overlooked and very true. Rokh can dish out some serious damage with 8 blasters on board with some surprising range. I can't tell you how many times I've unloaded on a gang as we go gatecamp busting. Tend to get ignored initially because they assume you're carrying rails, by the time they realize you're carrying blasters, they've taken heavy damage, and your massive tank will probably keep you alive if they try to primary you. Works well in low sec in smaller gangs.
Lego Maniac Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.06 17:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Vanthropy mael - arties or ac's, a rock like the abaddon but mobility is an option I'm not sure if this was ever true but it certainly is not post QR don't try it
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:11:00 - [33] Originally by: Typhado3 Originally by: Haradgrim stuff God damn it haradgrim I hate you signature.... it's cruel to arachnophobiacs. I'm not gonna be able to sleep properly now and it's already 1:30 =s But he's cute!!!! And you just made my day -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
Selia Rain	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:49:00 - [34] I'd say apoc for mid/large fleets. Good alpha, good cap sustainability, good DPS. Pest, mael, mega, rokh, abbadon, geddon(sorta) also work. Use what race you've trained.
Endo Dy Gallente Enrave Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.06 20:14:00 - [35] Best BS is the one with the best pilot
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2009.02.06 21:04:00 - [36] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 06/02/2009 21:11:23 Originally by: Murina Amarr = i-win BS, just pick one for the occasion cos apparently its their "role" to have a class of BS for every range in eve while the other races "roles" seem to be rather limited..... Bwahaha! Do you fly Amarr ships? They are nowhere near "i-win" ships. They are good, they have their place in a fleet but by no means are the be-all, end-all of battleships. - They are all around whomped by all types of EWar. Easiest to jam. Tracking disruptors own them. Sensor damps own them. They are so insanely cap dependent NOS/Neuts own them. - With a few rare exceptions they are all laser ships (turrets). They have the least capacity of any race to choose damage types. Pretty much stuck with EM/Therm. - As masters of the "middle ground" their close range weapons have the worst tracking of any close range system (where tracking really counts) and their long range weapons are the shortest range of all long range weapons (where range really counts and tracking means little). Yeah you can use an Apoc for range but that is a niche sniper ship role. - Their cap issues are such that they practically demand cap rigs and/or slots be used for cap rechargers. Slots other ships use for more useful things. - They are also miserably mid-slot gimped. Ever try to tackle someone with an Amarr ship? Use ECM? It can be done of course but is largely a joke. Not saying Amarr don't have their good points...they do. They also have their drawbacks as any ship in EVE should.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.02.06 21:40:00 - [37] Amarr. Abaddon is great for smaller gangs, or to act as bait, the Apoc is one of the best fleet snipers, and the Geddon is a RR god. Amarr FTW baby.
Amarant'h	Posted - 2009.02.06 22:10:00 - [38] Edited by: Amarant''h on 06/02/2009 22:12:07 Well, every ship has its weakness. But remember... You can pick your target. There is basically no ship which can use neut-nos-distruptor-DPS-ECM's-damps-etc.. Effectively at same time. And when it comes to fleet fights, then you got the back-up yourself too.. Positioning and knowledge of enemys weakness is more than the best DPS. Just pick a weapon of choice.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.06 23:35:00 - [39] Edited by: NightmareX on 06/02/2009 23:45:06 Originally by: Murina Amarr = i-win BS, just pick one for the occasion cos apparently its their "role" to have a class of BS for every range in eve while the other races "roles" seem to be rather limited..... Yeah Amarr BS'es are really overpowered / I-Win. That must be very true when not a single Amarr BS or other Amarr ships have EVER won over my Tempest with the setup i use now on sisi. Everytime i see an Amarr BS or other Amarr ships on my overview, i laught. Reason is, Amarr ships is the easiest ships to kill in my Tempest. It's because my EM and Thermal resists are kinda uhm, well, high. They are so ****ing easy to kill that is shouldn't even had been allowed. One of the Abaddon's i killed in a 1 vs 1 fight took a whole 160k damage before he died. But even that, i still killed him, even when the fight took like 15 mins. Those fights are done on sisi after the web and speed nerfs got on sisi. Yes Murina, Amarr are really i-win.
loldongs III loldongs industries	Posted - 2009.02.07 00:11:00 - [40] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 06/02/2009 23:45:06 Originally by: Murina Amarr = i-win BS, just pick one for the occasion cos apparently its their "role" to have a class of BS for every range in eve while the other races "roles" seem to be rather limited..... Yeah Amarr BS'es are really overpowered / I-Win. That must be very true when not a single Amarr BS or other Amarr ships have EVER won over my Tempest with the setup i use now on sisi. Everytime i see an Amarr BS or other Amarr ships on my overview, i laught. Reason is, Amarr ships is the easiest ships to kill in my Tempest. It's because my EM and Thermal resists are kinda uhm, well, high. They are so **ing easy to kill that is shouldn't even had been allowed. One of the Abaddon's i killed in a 1 vs 1 fight took a whole 160k damage before he died. But even that, i still killed him, even when the fight took like 15 mins. Those fights are done on sisi after the web and speed nerfs got on sisi. Yes Murina, Amarr are really i-win. iono man singularity IS pretty much like tranquility but... Wait no its not, singularity is where people go to mess around with a/c abaddons and rocket ravens. Ranking for battleships: Gate camp breaking: -High tier: Armageddon-Megathron-Abaddon-Dominix-Apoc-Hyperion-Typhoon -Mid tier: Anything calamari - tier: Tempest-Maelstrom Sniping fleets: -High tier: Apoc-Rokh-Abaddon-Megathron-Scorpion (support NOT CRUISE LAUNCHERS) -Mid tier: Maelstrom - tier: Tempest-Raven -Too good to ever be called but not for sniping: Dominix, Typhoon, Armageddon Pos bashing: -High tier: Apocalypse-Armageddon-Abaddon-Megathron-Dominix (sentry drones/logistics)-Raven (underestimated in this role)-Rokh-Typhoon (sentry drones/logistics/cruise launchers) -Mid tier: Tempest -** tier: Scorpion-Maelstrom (tempest outperforms it here in cost and damage over time)-Hyperion (no range with blasters and rail hyperions are just stupid or are for missioning- well missioning is stupid so both)

NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 00:16:00 - [41] Originally by: loldongs III Wait no its not, singularity is where people go to mess around with a/c abaddons and rocket ravens. Poor excuse. Many of those Amarr BS'es i have been fighting have been really good t2 fitted. And many of those players are also extremely skilled in Amarr. No i'm not saying everyone that i have been fighting is that. But isn't is kinda funny that no Amarr BS'es have won over my Tempest for maybe like 8-9 months. Doesn't that tells you something?.
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.07 01:19:00 - [42] The best battleship is the raven. It sucks for pvp, its the 'newbie battleship'. Its small and looks funny. Few people actually like it, lots of people feel dirty using it, and some genuinely despise it. But despite all of this, its always there to help you get back onto your feet.
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Destructive Influence KenZoku	Posted - 2009.02.07 02:41:00 - [43] For Battleship and above, Amarr are the best. I love my tempest, and I even fly my Rokh once in awhile - but the Apoc/Geddon really do have a lot of nice features - no reloading, fantastic optimals, easy to fit, massive dps at range, and they are sexy.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis Mean Coalition	Posted - 2009.02.07 02:59:00 - [44] Typhoon for close range fighting, RR etc. Abaddon for midrange. Rokh/Apoc for sniping. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Leiara Knight Gallente The Oblivion Guard	Posted - 2009.02.07 06:09:00 - [45] A wise man once said the Armageddon is pretty good.
Dors Venabily	Posted - 2009.02.07 07:20:00 - [46] Dominix Most versatile but no sniper everything else whale can do and you never know what the fit is. Surprice is half the victory
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.07 07:49:00 - [47] Originally by: Dors Venabily Dominix Most versatile but no sniper everything else whale can do and you never know what the fit is. Surprice is half the victory except that 99% of them are fitted with neuts and a HP tank
DamienV Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.07 08:45:00 - [48] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 05/02/2009 12:17:58 Originally by: Gneeznow tempest because nightmarexxX says it can fit a mean rack of ecm and a tank and if piloted corectly it can defeat even raptorjesus QFT lol. Ofc the Tempest is pretty good (i'm not saying it is the best). It's only noobs / dumb peoples who don't see the good things about the Tempest who only fail with the ship. ANY descent / experienced / skilled Tempest pilot today will say the Tempest is good, specially after Quantum Rise expansion. Yes i'm talking about the close range fitted Tempest. The Sniper Tempest is another story. And yes, there isn't anything that is called the best battleship. It's all about skills and experience on how a ship will perform. sniper pest is the only sniper I fly! Outdpsed a dread on it one!
Trader20	Posted - 2009.02.07 10:16:00 - [49] Originally by: DamienV Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 05/02/2009 12:17:58 Originally by: Gneeznow tempest because nightmarexxX says it can fit a mean rack of ecm and a tank and if piloted corectly it can defeat even raptorjesus QFT lol. Ofc the Tempest is pretty good (i'm not saying it is the best). It's only noobs / dumb peoples who don't see the good things about the Tempest who only fail with the ship. ANY descent / experienced / skilled Tempest pilot today will say the Tempest is good, specially after Quantum Rise expansion. Yes i'm talking about the close range fitted Tempest. The Sniper Tempest is another story. And yes, there isn't anything that is called the best battleship. It's all about skills and experience on how a ship will perform. sniper pest is the only sniper I fly! Outdpsed a dread on it one! Yea I hate when the dread pilot 4gets to fit a siege mod. Mim bs suck, I'll melt phoon/temp/mael in my abaddon while u scream, nerf lazorss!!!!! Also I want skittle ammo for my lazors so I can shoot rainbows
Ripley Wisdomseeker	Posted - 2009.02.07 14:31:00 - [50] I can only fly amarr bs yet - what i like about them is ... geddon - cheap apoc - nice with tachs, good cap navypoc - 8 low slots versatility abbadon - nice resi boni, ganky

ChalSto LOCKDOWN. HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2009.02.07 15:25:00 - [51] Originally by: Gneeznow tempest because nightmarexxX says it can fit a mean rack of ecm and a tank and if piloted corectly it can defeat even raptorjesus nono.....he¦s still flying somewhere in a stupid expensive CNR fit and get ganked by own ally-m8s
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 15:30:00 - [52] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/02/2009 15:35:01 Originally by: ChalSto Originally by: Gneeznow tempest because nightmarexxX says it can fit a mean rack of ecm and a tank and if piloted corectly it can defeat even raptorjesus nono.....he¦s still flying somewhere in a stupid expensive CNR fit and get ganked by own ally-m8s I hear someone just came from a cave in no mans land and forgot that this is like 3 years ago. Seriously, anyone who bring up the thing about the CNR i had does have a really big problem to not know what else to say.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.07 19:40:00 - [53] Apocalypse hands down
Rordan D'Kherr	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:07:00 - [54] Apoc. Period.
devil's advocate	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:09:00 - [55] no doubt , apoc
Cyborg94	Posted - 2009.02.08 00:57:00 - [56] Edited by: Cyborg94 on 08/02/2009 00:57:28 Well, I want to thank everyone for their e-opinions and advice. So it's looks like ppl have had the most success with Amarr bs. I want a bs to be my primary ship I fly in fleets/gate camps, ops. I will start training Amarr asap, even though they are the fotm I have a feeling they will remain useful because their lasors use alot of cap and the payoff for that is good range and awsome dps. Thank you and keep the suggestions coming. Also how is em damage against armor tankers because most pvp ships armor tank so I'm a little worried about how much of my damage will be resisted.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.02.08 01:42:00 - [57] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Rokh, end of discussion. Best range, second-best dps (second only to the Apoc, and not by much), but much easier to fit and tank than any other sniper. If, for some bizarre reason, your mid-large fleet is not engaging at long range, get an Abaddon with T2 pulses. Rokh DPS is smaller than APOC, tempest. maelstrom Megathron, Hyperion, Armageddon and abaddon (at the standard jsut over 150km sniper range). So rokh is good sniper. but no where near HIGH dps on that. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.02.08 01:45:00 - [58] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 07/02/2009 00:20:52 Originally by: loldongs III Wait no its not, singularity is where people go to mess around with a/c abaddons and rocket ravens. Poor excuse. Many of those Amarr BS'es i have been fighting have been really good t2 fitted. And many of those players are also extremely skilled in Amarr. No i'm not saying everyone that i have been fighting is that. But isn't is kinda funny that no Amarr BS'es have won over my Tempest for maybe like 8-9 months, also after i started to use the setup i use now on my Tempest. Doesn't that tells you something?. After QR, yes (Before QR nope). But that if you talking about 1v1 or RR combat. On gankfest groups the mega pulse ships still rule over them. comparign ships 1v1 might look okay but is something that happens so rare in eve (outside of sisi) that is almost irrelevant. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Graalum Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.08 04:31:00 - [59] rohk and apoc are best snipe fleet bs, followed by megat, scorp (falcon is better), then someother crappier ships for rr fleets, geddon, tempest, megat, phoon,
Malakai0 M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.02.08 04:37:00 - [60] Edited by: Malakai0 on 08/02/2009 04:40:50 Edited by: Malakai0 on 08/02/2009 04:39:06 Edited by: Malakai0 on 08/02/2009 04:37:51 As usual on these forums caldari are sorely underestimated and underappreciated in pvp (where we shine the brightest, anyone can do missions or rat). Torp Raven can hang with any other close range bs in a gang with the primary painted up, buffer tanked. Fairly cheap. And it continues doing 100% damage well beyond blaster range (cept neuts on a rokh with void, and even then 26km is the outside of its falloff), Scorp is great for RR bs roaming, jamming & remote rep support. And it's practically throwaway considering insurance buys you another ship + fit. Rokh is the best sniper (can buffer tank it and fit a max range snipe setup, so snipe fleet v snipe fleet you will get out alive much more often than your fleetmates). Rokh also a decent heavy neut blaster boat, 16km optimal and another 15 falloff with null. With 140k+ effective HP to go with it. This would be that caldari ROCK setup =) The amarr whining and complaining is pretty lol. They are much more competitive than they used to be but far from OP. As many pointed out each ship has its roles, or in minmatar case the lack of a role being the role =)



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