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Cyborg94	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:15:00 - [1] What is the best pvp Battleship for midsize to large fleets. Fleet has it's own tackle,webs,painter,etc so you don't need to include them in your decision. If you wish to participate please list reasons why you think a certain bs is the best. Thank you. (I'm using this thread as a guide of which skills to train)
Gneeznow Minmatar Goo Spew	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:22:00 - [2] tempest because nightmarexxX says it can fit a mean rack of ecm and a tank and if piloted corectly it can defeat even raptorjesus
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:30:00 - [3] so then you have decided that your end game goal would be to partake in mid to large scale fleet battles in a battleship class ship? but you asked for the best, the best changes with the metagame and by the time you skill up to fly one effectively the best will have changed. What do you want? a rock that can sit still in the center of the field and hit all likely targets while taking massive amounts of damage? try an abaddon fit with megapulses and scorch and a huge buffer tank do you want.. more beef but at the expense of getting primaried more often than not? fly a megathron. I'm just saying you want to go for the style you dig, not what's considered best. but by generalization i'd say these things Caldari- support-ish roles scorp - ewar rohk - long long range raven - missiles Minmatar- jack of all trades master of none typhoon - lots of options, medium range dps and remote reps tempest - medium range, speed for engagement control, lots of utility slots mael - arties or ac's, a rock like the abaddon but mobility is an option Gallente- aggressive and dangerous to fly Dominix - lots of options, dps from any range, neuts/blasters/remote reps Mega - slow, but when(if) it gets to it's target there will be blood. Hype - large plate + rep tank, more suited to small bs gangs where a local tank can count Amarr - the total war machines, eft gank/tank in a golden can Geddon - insane dps options with a nice rock of a buffer scorch ammo means you don't need to move Apoc - insane range bonus, can be used effectively for a tachyon fit or a mega pulse Abaddon - rock of buffer power, last through many engagements, resist bonus means logistics ships make you god. so what do you want from your fleet battleship?
Trader20	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:41:00 - [4] Edited by: Trader20 on 05/02/2009 09:47:09 Originally by: Vanthropy Quote: Great post dude. If ur gonna train up for a baddon just make sure u train up ur eng skills so don't cap urself out from shooting your guns. Also I don't understand ur use of the word "rock" plz explain.
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:53:00 - [5] Edited by: Murina on 05/02/2009 09:54:58 Originally by: Vanthropy Amarr - the total war machines, eft gank/tank in a golden can Geddon - insane dps options with a nice rock of a buffer scorch ammo means you don't need to move Apoc - insane range bonus, can be used effectively for a tachyon fit or a mega pulse Abaddon - rock of buffer power, last through many engagements, resist bonus means logistics ships make you god. so what do you want from your fleet battleship? Amarr = i-win BS, just pick one for the occasion cos apparently its their "role" to have a class of BS for every range in eve while the other races "roles" seem to be rather limited.....
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:56:00 - [6] hmm.. by 'rock' here I mean that it's a ship designed to sit in the center of battle; it doesn't move well, but it has the range to make up for that, it doesn't do the best damage out there, but it will outlast all the other ships on the field. [Abaddon, Rock] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Large Armor Repairer II Damage Control II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
Trader20	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Vanthropy hmm.. by 'rock' here I mean that it's a ship designed to sit in the center of battle; it doesn't move well, but it has the range to make up for that, it doesn't do the best damage out there, but it will outlast all the other ships on the field. [Abaddon, Rock] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Large Armor Repairer II Damage Control II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 Ah I see, no heat sinks on that beast though?
FatFreddy	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:03:00 - [8] Well, as a 'rock' aka a ship that can withstand massive amounts of damage, tank goes first and damage output second. therefore the armor pumps and plates.
Cyborg94	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Vanthropy so then you have decided that your end game goal would be to partake in mid to large scale fleet battles in a battleship class ship? but you asked for the best, the best changes with the metagame and by the time you skill up to fly one effectively the best will have changed. What do you want? a rock that can sit still in the center of the field and hit all likely targets while taking massive amounts of damage? try an abaddon fit with megapulses and scorch and a huge buffer tank do you want.. more beef but at the expense of getting primaried more often than not? fly a megathron. I'm just saying you want to go for the style you dig, not what's considered best. but by generalization i'd say these things Caldari- support-ish roles scorp - ewar rohk - long long range raven - missiles Minmatar- jack of all trades master of none typhoon - lots of options, medium range dps and remote reps tempest - medium range, speed for engagement control, lots of utility slots mael - arties or ac's, a rock like the abaddon but mobility is an option Gallente- aggressive and dangerous to fly Dominix - lots of options, dps from any range, neuts/blasters/remote reps Mega - slow, but when(if) it gets to it's target there will be blood. Hype - large plate + rep tank, more suited to small bs gangs where a local tank can count Amarr - the total war machines, eft gank/tank in a golden can Geddon - insane dps options with a nice rock of a buffer scorch ammo means you don't need to move Apoc - insane range bonus, can be used effectively for a tachyon fit or a mega pulse Abaddon - rock of buffer power, last through many engagements, resist bonus means logistics ships make you god. so what do you want from your fleet battleship? Hey thank for the great reply. I was first training up for a torp raven because of the massive damage it can throw at a painted bc/bs but my corp seems to think ravens are useless for pvp. Also I was looking at the mega but it's extremely short range is a big turn off especially with a buffer tank you move like a brick. I like the abaddon but how is the plat insurance payout on a teir 3 bs?
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:04:00 - [10] yep, their roles are rather limited, but that's only because the current tactic of choice is medium ranged battleships = fleet battles. but when you design your fleet/gang whatever around a different tactic and devote yourself to it's execution entirely you'll get results, that's all there is too it. a full gallente style gang with in your face dps ships gets tight on the medium range ships what happens? a full caldari style gang manages to hold range while keeping opponents locked down a full minmatar style gang lures a larger gang into smaller skirmishes by separating them at gates and in different systems/belts but it's not like tactics end with racial backstory.... "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"

Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:08:00 - [11] ahh, a tier three BS is of course the most spendy to fly especially all rigged up. a geddon however is a friggen dirt cheap and wicked alternative. I wouldn't say a torp raven is worthless for pvp. I see them in armor RR gangs all the time. 250 km range with cruise missiles is nothing to laugh about either. You just have to be in the right situation (therefore bring the situation to your favor) and you shine
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:12:00 - [12] Edited by: Murina on 05/02/2009 10:13:45 Originally by: Vanthropy a full gallente style gang with in your face dps ships gets tight on the medium range ships what happens? The med range laser ships burn in different directions and the gallente ships kill a couple but then have the choice of either chasing one at a time to get in range while the med range ships lay down the big hits, or just sitting still and waiting for it to be their turn to get popped. Originally by: Vanthropy a full caldari style gang manages to hold range while keeping opponents locked down And gets owned by lasers that have greater range than torps. Originally by: Vanthropy a full minmatar style gang lures a larger gang into smaller skirmishes by separating them at gates and in different systems/belts oh god my ribs.....
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:23:00 - [13] Rokh, end of discussion. Best range, second-best dps (second only to the Apoc, and not by much), but much easier to fit and tank than any other sniper. If, for some bizarre reason, your mid-large fleet is not engaging at long range, get an Abaddon with T2 pulses.
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:25:00 - [14] hehehe here's a good geddon fit for you to work into too (more devoted mid range damage dealer) [Armageddon, geddon.. super gank] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets ECCM - Radar II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x5 1000ish dps from 40km is pwn. if you're tryin to skill into something like this train these skills first energy management 5 energy systems operations 5 controlled bursts 4 (5 would be better) then go here... sharpshooter 5 all other supports except trajectory analysis (who cares) to 4 and start the long trail to t2 heavy lasers and amarr BS 4
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:26:00 - [15] merin is our metagame expert, so if you'd like to know the current 'best' situation, talk to him :)
Lexa Hellfury Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:31:00 - [16] You praise the 'geddon's ability to deal massive damage without having to move in one post, yet you downsize it's guns in order to fit a MWD in a different post.
lebrata Hedion University	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:32:00 - [17] Edited by: lebrata on 05/02/2009 10:32:55 Originally by: Cyborg94 What is the best pvp Battleship for midsize to large fleets. Fleet has it's own tackle,webs,painter,etc so you don't need to include them in your decision. If you wish to participate please list reasons why you think a certain bs is the best. Thank you. (I'm using this thread as a guide of which skills to train) Train amarr, the rokh is maybe a little better at sniping than the apoc due to slot layout and its ability to fit eccm but that depends entirely on the situation. But the truth is amarr BS have such a variety and available range of use compared to the other races rather limited use that they are much better to train for.
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Lexa Hellfury You praise the 'geddon's ability to deal massive damage without having to move in one post, yet you downsize it's guns in order to fit a MWD in a different post. so? minor inconsistencies. i am large i contain multitudes. -walt whitman
Neo Rainhart Bandiittisektori	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Gneeznow tempest because nightmarexxX says it can fit a mean rack of ecm and a tank and if piloted corectly it can defeat even raptorjesus lolol
Leiara Knight Gallente The Oblivion Guard	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:31:00 - [20] I like the Tempest. It has character.

NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:10:00 - [21] Edited by: NightmareX on 05/02/2009 12:15:15 Originally by: Gneeznow tempest because nightmarexxX says it can fit a mean rack of ecm and a tank and if piloted corectly it can defeat even raptorjesus QFT lol. Ofc the Tempest is pretty good. It's only noobs / dumb peoples who don't see the whole thing about the Tempest who only fail with the ship. ANY descent / experienced / skilled Tempest pilot today will say the Tempest is good, specially after Quantum Rise expansion. And yes, there isn't anything that is called the best battleship. It's all about skills and experience on how a ship will perform.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Leiara Knight I like the Tempest. It has character. this =D
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:21:00 - [23] Originally by: Leiara Knight I like the Tempest. It has character. I like the tempest it has wingy bits. as for best bs they all have their uses. some could use some balance and some are great at one role....
Psiri	Posted - 2009.02.05 13:00:00 - [24] Domi - One boat, does it all.
fac3hunter	Posted - 2009.02.05 13:06:00 - [25] AC/neut tempest if you actually pvp not svs(shipvsship) any amarr bs if you just play svs(press orbit aktivate all modules and hope for the best)
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2009.02.05 15:25:00 - [26] Pulse 'geddons are scary, tach apocs are war machines, and drone/neut domis are batman Tempest is pretty cool too -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.05 15:26:00 - [27] You cant go wrong training amarr battleships because each of theirs is good for its intended role. they have a long range sniper a medium range moderate dps massive buffer tank a close range hyper dps gank ship (with enough drones for utility purposes/more damage) The problem is their heavy cap dependence and lack of mid slots. If all you want to do is provide firepower at whatever range, then amarr is the race to pick. You also get the bonus of having t2 mediums by virtue of training for t2 larges, since you already have t2 mediums training battlecruiser to 5 just for the harby is a great thing to do, as it will serve you fine in small roaming gangs where your battleship may seem sluggish. you can't go wrong with amarr. That said, they are limited. Amarr converts cap to dps, thats about it. Gallente have nice battleships too, and the domi is very handy because of its flexibility. The Mega will always be awesome. Caldari.. well... pve the problem with its sniping battleship is that fleets dont engage at the rokhs max range becuase its nobody elses max range. It makes for a nice blaster boat at medium ranges. Minmatar. The typhoon is potentially awesome, the upside of typhoon training is you are also training missiles and shields, meaning that you can train caldari battleship to 4 or somthing for a raven to pve with. The tempest is good before you have everyskillat5loltyphoontraining. its easy to think of amarr as overpowered and the obvious choice, and it is the obvious choice if you just want to sit there and shoot stuff, but you will always feel restricted by flying amarr. They are one dimensional. Fly the ships that you think look best, that's the only good advice anyone can give you. I like all races battleships, i think they all have their own personality and can easily be romanticized
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.02.05 15:29:00 - [28] Originally by: Haradgrim stuff God damn it haradgrim I hate you signature.... it's cruel to arachnophobiacs. I'm not gonna be able to sleep properly now and it's already 1:30 =s ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2009.02.05 15:40:00 - [29] Best Battleship is the one you have the most skills trained for. Find the one you think would be the most fun and train for it. Stay away from EFT. There is more to EVE than DPS/Tank.
Horny girl1	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:50:00 - [30] Abadon

Phienta Caldari Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2009.02.06 17:34:00 - [31] Originally by: bff Jill Caldari.. well... pve the problem with its sniping battleship is that fleets dont engage at the rokhs max range becuase its nobody elses max range. It makes for a nice blaster boat at medium ranges. Very overlooked and very true. Rokh can dish out some serious damage with 8 blasters on board with some surprising range. I can't tell you how many times I've unloaded on a gang as we go gatecamp busting. Tend to get ignored initially because they assume you're carrying rails, by the time they realize you're carrying blasters, they've taken heavy damage, and your massive tank will probably keep you alive if they try to primary you. Works well in low sec in smaller gangs.
Lego Maniac Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.06 17:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Vanthropy mael - arties or ac's, a rock like the abaddon but mobility is an option I'm not sure if this was ever true but it certainly is not post QR don't try it
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:11:00 - [33] Originally by: Typhado3 Originally by: Haradgrim stuff God damn it haradgrim I hate you signature.... it's cruel to arachnophobiacs. I'm not gonna be able to sleep properly now and it's already 1:30 =s But he's cute!!!! And you just made my day -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
Selia Rain	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:49:00 - [34] I'd say apoc for mid/large fleets. Good alpha, good cap sustainability, good DPS. Pest, mael, mega, rokh, abbadon, geddon(sorta) also work. Use what race you've trained.
Endo Dy Gallente Enrave Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.06 20:14:00 - [35] Best BS is the one with the best pilot
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2009.02.06 21:04:00 - [36] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 06/02/2009 21:11:23 Originally by: Murina Amarr = i-win BS, just pick one for the occasion cos apparently its their "role" to have a class of BS for every range in eve while the other races "roles" seem to be rather limited..... Bwahaha! Do you fly Amarr ships? They are nowhere near "i-win" ships. They are good, they have their place in a fleet but by no means are the be-all, end-all of battleships. - They are all around whomped by all types of EWar. Easiest to jam. Tracking disruptors own them. Sensor damps own them. They are so insanely cap dependent NOS/Neuts own them. - With a few rare exceptions they are all laser ships (turrets). They have the least capacity of any race to choose damage types. Pretty much stuck with EM/Therm. - As masters of the "middle ground" their close range weapons have the worst tracking of any close range system (where tracking really counts) and their long range weapons are the shortest range of all long range weapons (where range really counts and tracking means little). Yeah you can use an Apoc for range but that is a niche sniper ship role. - Their cap issues are such that they practically demand cap rigs and/or slots be used for cap rechargers. Slots other ships use for more useful things. - They are also miserably mid-slot gimped. Ever try to tackle someone with an Amarr ship? Use ECM? It can be done of course but is largely a joke. Not saying Amarr don't have their good points...they do. They also have their drawbacks as any ship in EVE should.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.02.06 21:40:00 - [37] Amarr. Abaddon is great for smaller gangs, or to act as bait, the Apoc is one of the best fleet snipers, and the Geddon is a RR god. Amarr FTW baby.
Amarant'h	Posted - 2009.02.06 22:10:00 - [38] Edited by: Amarant''h on 06/02/2009 22:12:07 Well, every ship has its weakness. But remember... You can pick your target. There is basically no ship which can use neut-nos-distruptor-DPS-ECM's-damps-etc.. Effectively at same time. And when it comes to fleet fights, then you got the back-up yourself too.. Positioning and knowledge of enemys weakness is more than the best DPS. Just pick a weapon of choice.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.06 23:35:00 - [39] Edited by: NightmareX on 06/02/2009 23:45:06 Originally by: Murina Amarr = i-win BS, just pick one for the occasion cos apparently its their "role" to have a class of BS for every range in eve while the other races "roles" seem to be rather limited..... Yeah Amarr BS'es are really overpowered / I-Win. That must be very true when not a single Amarr BS or other Amarr ships have EVER won over my Tempest with the setup i use now on sisi. Everytime i see an Amarr BS or other Amarr ships on my overview, i laught. Reason is, Amarr ships is the easiest ships to kill in my Tempest. It's because my EM and Thermal resists are kinda uhm, well, high. They are so ****ing easy to kill that is shouldn't even had been allowed. One of the Abaddon's i killed in a 1 vs 1 fight took a whole 160k damage before he died. But even that, i still killed him, even when the fight took like 15 mins. Those fights are done on sisi after the web and speed nerfs got on sisi. Yes Murina, Amarr are really i-win.
loldongs III loldongs industries	Posted - 2009.02.07 00:11:00 - [40] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 06/02/2009 23:45:06 Originally by: Murina Amarr = i-win BS, just pick one for the occasion cos apparently its their "role" to have a class of BS for every range in eve while the other races "roles" seem to be rather limited..... Yeah Amarr BS'es are really overpowered / I-Win. That must be very true when not a single Amarr BS or other Amarr ships have EVER won over my Tempest with the setup i use now on sisi. Everytime i see an Amarr BS or other Amarr ships on my overview, i laught. Reason is, Amarr ships is the easiest ships to kill in my Tempest. It's because my EM and Thermal resists are kinda uhm, well, high. They are so **ing easy to kill that is shouldn't even had been allowed. One of the Abaddon's i killed in a 1 vs 1 fight took a whole 160k damage before he died. But even that, i still killed him, even when the fight took like 15 mins. Those fights are done on sisi after the web and speed nerfs got on sisi. Yes Murina, Amarr are really i-win. iono man singularity IS pretty much like tranquility but... Wait no its not, singularity is where people go to mess around with a/c abaddons and rocket ravens. Ranking for battleships: Gate camp breaking: -High tier: Armageddon-Megathron-Abaddon-Dominix-Apoc-Hyperion-Typhoon -Mid tier: Anything calamari - tier: Tempest-Maelstrom Sniping fleets: -High tier: Apoc-Rokh-Abaddon-Megathron-Scorpion (support NOT CRUISE LAUNCHERS) -Mid tier: Maelstrom - tier: Tempest-Raven -Too good to ever be called but not for sniping: Dominix, Typhoon, Armageddon Pos bashing: -High tier: Apocalypse-Armageddon-Abaddon-Megathron-Dominix (sentry drones/logistics)-Raven (underestimated in this role)-Rokh-Typhoon (sentry drones/logistics/cruise launchers) -Mid tier: Tempest -** tier: Scorpion-Maelstrom (tempest outperforms it here in cost and damage over time)-Hyperion (no range with blasters and rail hyperions are just stupid or are for missioning- well missioning is stupid so both)

NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 00:16:00 - [41] Originally by: loldongs III Wait no its not, singularity is where people go to mess around with a/c abaddons and rocket ravens. Poor excuse. Many of those Amarr BS'es i have been fighting have been really good t2 fitted. And many of those players are also extremely skilled in Amarr. No i'm not saying everyone that i have been fighting is that. But isn't is kinda funny that no Amarr BS'es have won over my Tempest for maybe like 8-9 months. Doesn't that tells you something?.
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.07 01:19:00 - [42] The best battleship is the raven. It sucks for pvp, its the 'newbie battleship'. Its small and looks funny. Few people actually like it, lots of people feel dirty using it, and some genuinely despise it. But despite all of this, its always there to help you get back onto your feet.
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Destructive Influence KenZoku	Posted - 2009.02.07 02:41:00 - [43] For Battleship and above, Amarr are the best. I love my tempest, and I even fly my Rokh once in awhile - but the Apoc/Geddon really do have a lot of nice features - no reloading, fantastic optimals, easy to fit, massive dps at range, and they are sexy.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis Mean Coalition	Posted - 2009.02.07 02:59:00 - [44] Typhoon for close range fighting, RR etc. Abaddon for midrange. Rokh/Apoc for sniping. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Leiara Knight Gallente The Oblivion Guard	Posted - 2009.02.07 06:09:00 - [45] A wise man once said the Armageddon is pretty good.
Dors Venabily	Posted - 2009.02.07 07:20:00 - [46] Dominix Most versatile but no sniper everything else whale can do and you never know what the fit is. Surprice is half the victory
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.07 07:49:00 - [47] Originally by: Dors Venabily Dominix Most versatile but no sniper everything else whale can do and you never know what the fit is. Surprice is half the victory except that 99% of them are fitted with neuts and a HP tank
DamienV Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.07 08:45:00 - [48] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 05/02/2009 12:17:58 Originally by: Gneeznow tempest because nightmarexxX says it can fit a mean rack of ecm and a tank and if piloted corectly it can defeat even raptorjesus QFT lol. Ofc the Tempest is pretty good (i'm not saying it is the best). It's only noobs / dumb peoples who don't see the good things about the Tempest who only fail with the ship. ANY descent / experienced / skilled Tempest pilot today will say the Tempest is good, specially after Quantum Rise expansion. Yes i'm talking about the close range fitted Tempest. The Sniper Tempest is another story. And yes, there isn't anything that is called the best battleship. It's all about skills and experience on how a ship will perform. sniper pest is the only sniper I fly! Outdpsed a dread on it one!
Trader20	Posted - 2009.02.07 10:16:00 - [49] Originally by: DamienV Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 05/02/2009 12:17:58 Originally by: Gneeznow tempest because nightmarexxX says it can fit a mean rack of ecm and a tank and if piloted corectly it can defeat even raptorjesus QFT lol. Ofc the Tempest is pretty good (i'm not saying it is the best). It's only noobs / dumb peoples who don't see the good things about the Tempest who only fail with the ship. ANY descent / experienced / skilled Tempest pilot today will say the Tempest is good, specially after Quantum Rise expansion. Yes i'm talking about the close range fitted Tempest. The Sniper Tempest is another story. And yes, there isn't anything that is called the best battleship. It's all about skills and experience on how a ship will perform. sniper pest is the only sniper I fly! Outdpsed a dread on it one! Yea I hate when the dread pilot 4gets to fit a siege mod. Mim bs suck, I'll melt phoon/temp/mael in my abaddon while u scream, nerf lazorss!!!!! Also I want skittle ammo for my lazors so I can shoot rainbows
Ripley Wisdomseeker	Posted - 2009.02.07 14:31:00 - [50] I can only fly amarr bs yet - what i like about them is ... geddon - cheap apoc - nice with tachs, good cap navypoc - 8 low slots versatility abbadon - nice resi boni, ganky

ChalSto LOCKDOWN. HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2009.02.07 15:25:00 - [51] Originally by: Gneeznow tempest because nightmarexxX says it can fit a mean rack of ecm and a tank and if piloted corectly it can defeat even raptorjesus nono.....he¦s still flying somewhere in a stupid expensive CNR fit and get ganked by own ally-m8s
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 15:30:00 - [52] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/02/2009 15:35:01 Originally by: ChalSto Originally by: Gneeznow tempest because nightmarexxX says it can fit a mean rack of ecm and a tank and if piloted corectly it can defeat even raptorjesus nono.....he¦s still flying somewhere in a stupid expensive CNR fit and get ganked by own ally-m8s I hear someone just came from a cave in no mans land and forgot that this is like 3 years ago. Seriously, anyone who bring up the thing about the CNR i had does have a really big problem to not know what else to say.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.07 19:40:00 - [53] Apocalypse hands down
Rordan D'Kherr	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:07:00 - [54] Apoc. Period.
devil's advocate	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:09:00 - [55] no doubt , apoc
Cyborg94	Posted - 2009.02.08 00:57:00 - [56] Edited by: Cyborg94 on 08/02/2009 00:57:28 Well, I want to thank everyone for their e-opinions and advice. So it's looks like ppl have had the most success with Amarr bs. I want a bs to be my primary ship I fly in fleets/gate camps, ops. I will start training Amarr asap, even though they are the fotm I have a feeling they will remain useful because their lasors use alot of cap and the payoff for that is good range and awsome dps. Thank you and keep the suggestions coming. Also how is em damage against armor tankers because most pvp ships armor tank so I'm a little worried about how much of my damage will be resisted.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.02.08 01:42:00 - [57] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Rokh, end of discussion. Best range, second-best dps (second only to the Apoc, and not by much), but much easier to fit and tank than any other sniper. If, for some bizarre reason, your mid-large fleet is not engaging at long range, get an Abaddon with T2 pulses. Rokh DPS is smaller than APOC, tempest. maelstrom Megathron, Hyperion, Armageddon and abaddon (at the standard jsut over 150km sniper range). So rokh is good sniper. but no where near HIGH dps on that. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.02.08 01:45:00 - [58] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 07/02/2009 00:20:52 Originally by: loldongs III Wait no its not, singularity is where people go to mess around with a/c abaddons and rocket ravens. Poor excuse. Many of those Amarr BS'es i have been fighting have been really good t2 fitted. And many of those players are also extremely skilled in Amarr. No i'm not saying everyone that i have been fighting is that. But isn't is kinda funny that no Amarr BS'es have won over my Tempest for maybe like 8-9 months, also after i started to use the setup i use now on my Tempest. Doesn't that tells you something?. After QR, yes (Before QR nope). But that if you talking about 1v1 or RR combat. On gankfest groups the mega pulse ships still rule over them. comparign ships 1v1 might look okay but is something that happens so rare in eve (outside of sisi) that is almost irrelevant. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Graalum Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.08 04:31:00 - [59] rohk and apoc are best snipe fleet bs, followed by megat, scorp (falcon is better), then someother crappier ships for rr fleets, geddon, tempest, megat, phoon,
Malakai0 M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.02.08 04:37:00 - [60] Edited by: Malakai0 on 08/02/2009 04:40:50 Edited by: Malakai0 on 08/02/2009 04:39:06 Edited by: Malakai0 on 08/02/2009 04:37:51 As usual on these forums caldari are sorely underestimated and underappreciated in pvp (where we shine the brightest, anyone can do missions or rat). Torp Raven can hang with any other close range bs in a gang with the primary painted up, buffer tanked. Fairly cheap. And it continues doing 100% damage well beyond blaster range (cept neuts on a rokh with void, and even then 26km is the outside of its falloff), Scorp is great for RR bs roaming, jamming & remote rep support. And it's practically throwaway considering insurance buys you another ship + fit. Rokh is the best sniper (can buffer tank it and fit a max range snipe setup, so snipe fleet v snipe fleet you will get out alive much more often than your fleetmates). Rokh also a decent heavy neut blaster boat, 16km optimal and another 15 falloff with null. With 140k+ effective HP to go with it. This would be that caldari ROCK setup =) The amarr whining and complaining is pretty lol. They are much more competitive than they used to be but far from OP. As many pointed out each ship has its roles, or in minmatar case the lack of a role being the role =)

AKULA UrQuan Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2009.02.08 06:04:00 - [61] Even after being slaped around with the nerfbat for well over a year the thron is still nice. CCP hasn't killed it just yet....I'm sure they'll try again. In gang PvP I use Megathron, Rokh and Scorpian. Really depends on what the gang needs on that day. Nevermind I burned alot of time on training both gallente and calradi battleships to level 5. As others have said, the amarr battleships are really nice rides now. Considering the pain amarr pilots went through for several years it's about time they had some fun.
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.08 08:53:00 - [62] Originally by: Malakai0 Edited by: Malakai0 on 08/02/2009 04:46:57 Edited by: Malakai0 on 08/02/2009 04:40:50 Edited by: Malakai0 on 08/02/2009 04:39:06 Edited by: Malakai0 on 08/02/2009 04:37:51 As usual on these forums caldari are sorely underestimated and underappreciated in pvp (where we shine the brightest, anyone can do missions or rat). Torp Raven can hang with any other close range bs in a gang with the primary painted up, buffer tanked. Fairly cheap. And it continues doing 100% damage well beyond blaster range (cept neuts on a rokh with void, and even then 26km is well into falloff), Scorp is great for RR bs roaming, jamming & remote rep support. And it's practically throwaway considering insurance buys you another ship + fit. Rokh is the best sniper (can buffer tank it and fit a max range snipe setup, so snipe fleet v snipe fleet you will get out alive much more often than your fleetmates). Rokh also a decent heavy neut blaster boat, 16km optimal and another 15 falloff with null. With 140k+ effective HP to go with it. This would be that caldari ROCK setup =) The amarr whining and complaining is pretty lol. They are much more competitive than they used to be but far from OP. As many pointed out each ship has its roles, or in minmatar case the lack of a role being the role =) hehe, agreed :) "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
bluebeyond DEATHFUNK Doctrine.	Posted - 2009.02.08 12:09:00 - [63] Simple. The geddon. Cheap as shit and can easily get over 1000 DPS with good skills in gunnery and drones.
BiggestT Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.02.08 15:14:00 - [64] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Rokh, end of discussion. Best range, second-best dps (second only to the Apoc, and not by much), but much easier to fit and tank than any other sniper. If, for some bizarre reason, your mid-large fleet is not engaging at long range, get an Abaddon with T2 pulses. This. Coz hitting cruisers 240km away for 1k alpha is cool mmkay EVE history t2 precisions
naruf	Posted - 2009.02.08 18:47:00 - [65] tempest is awesome
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.08 18:49:00 - [66] Edited by: Murina on 08/02/2009 18:49:10 Playing with eft i got this fit for the abaddon. highs 8 x mega pulse T2 mids 1 mwd T2 1 web T2 1 large cap booster T2 1 point T2 lows 3 x heat sinks T2 2 x eanm T2 1 x 1600 plate T2 1 x dcu T2 rigs 2 trimarks T1 1 dmg rig T1 drones 2 ogres T2 2 hammers T2 1 hobgob T2 110,000 ehp 70% thermal kinetic resists on armour. 1029 dps at 0-15km 873 dps at 15-45km 654ms. Originally by: 7shining7one7 Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching with 0 transversal cos lasers fragment when you approach them
PC5 Pink Bunnies C0VEN	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:26:00 - [67] Edited by: PC5 on 10/02/2009 06:36:38 Edited by: PC5 on 10/02/2009 06:35:10 Edited by: PC5 on 10/02/2009 06:32:35 Originally by: Cyborg94 What is the best pvp Battleship for midsize to large fleets. Fleet has it's own tackle,webs,painter,etc so you don't need to include them in your decision. If you wish to participate please list reasons why you think a certain bs is the best. Thank you. (I'm using this thread as a guide of which skills to train) You were asking about BSes for midsize to large fleets. Many forum geniuses havent figured that out and talked about everything but not giving answers. Reading hurts. 1. Pure brutal and simple way (simple is beautiful) - Abaddon (HP/DPS/range) - Apoc (same) - Armag (same) Forget about other BSes if you want pure DPS hard ship. Amarr are 'the best'. DMG is all you want. Other BSes in your fleet SHOULD HAVE remote reps to repair you if needed. You also should have at last 1 remote rep to help others. Every BS in fleet SHOULD relay on other ppl remote reping. Lov slots should be tank/hp/dmg modules. 2. Second path... here winner is Scorpion. Make it GOOD tank armor or shield (you probably want to chose armor because other BSes SHOULD HAVE armor remote reps). Cruise launchers at hi slots, neutralizers, remote rep... Why scorpion? Because enemy fleet will PRIMARY IT. And your team will REPAIR IT AND SHOOT ENEMY SHIPS ("omg! Scorpion, primary, primary scorpion!!!111"). They will lose time at it and you have time to kill them. Your guys shoud have know that tactic and be ready to repair you. You can even jam your enemies while they are loosing time at you. Figure out best fit for you. Tank is a 'must have'. And final reason for scorp... remember 2nd worst thing you can do to enemy in fight is... turn him off from fight. 1st one - destroy it. 3rd one is slow it or make him weaker. In all those 3 scorp will do his job very good. He does all 3 points ive mentioned. 1st path is best for exprienced pilot with many SP = good dmg. 2nd dosent require milions of SPs, you just need tank and jaming skills to be good at that role. Good luck.
Malvorak Amarr IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.10 10:04:00 - [68] Dude tbh every race as good BS's. The current "omg awesomesause" is amarr for whatever reason as a few months ago they were the suck (althou they never sucked ppl were just dumb). I for once have always used amarr ships but i always had a thing for minmatar so atm i'm training minmatar bs 5. I am a great fan of the tempy, and the mealstrom is just bloody awesome, and as soon as i get my missle skills up to scratch ill be flying a typhoon aswell!! Also my alt is galente and i can tell you that the domi is just pure joy, and althou its probably the cheapest BS of the game its probably one of the most feared. Also you cant go wrong with a mega, althou you are gonna end up being primary so you have to be carefull. Amarr are great they always have been tbh, they have good dps gret tanks too, althou they move and alight like a bus with flat tyres, and forget about fitting a mwd in them its pretty much hell. As for caldari, well never flown them much, but the scorp will always have its place in fleets, a torp raven is always something to be afraid of and the rohk...well never fought against them much, but there were a few blaster ones that were a pain. But since you are looking for a bs for large fleets go amarr. They have always been the best fleet ships, because of their slot layout, their lack of mid slots make them very hard to use solo, and also they are slow like hell. Other good chances are rohks, they have awesome range good dps, and its shield resist bonus makes them harder to kill. raven its ok too, althou missles take their time to reach the target. Minie and galente have nice fleet ships too, althou since they have alot of more utility slots then the amarr and caldari ships, they really shine in small gangs/solo work. "I wave my private parts at your aunties son of a window dresser"
Osiris Andras	Posted - 2009.02.10 10:21:00 - [69] nightmare, hands down the best.
Euriti Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.10 11:41:00 - [70] Edited by: Euriti on 10/02/2009 11:42:06 [Apocalypse, 200km fleet sniper] Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Tracking Enhancer II Heat Sink II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Energy Locus Coordinator I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Only idiots fit 7 guns when it can fit 8. alternativly for RR gangs: [Armageddon, RR Armageddon] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Adaptive Nano Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x5 Quote: El'Tar > IM UR PET NOW

Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.02.10 12:12:00 - [71] Megathron or Apoc. Very few ships are that versatile/can be used for multiple things, most of the others excel at one thing or another.
kyrv	Posted - 2009.02.10 12:15:00 - [72] Megathrong Because I lose against them 9/10 times
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.10 12:30:00 - [73] Originally by: kyrv Megathrong if carlsberg made battleships ....


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