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lebrata
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:42:00 -
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After the debacle and ridiculous disbandment of BOB, it is obvious that eve actually has a real and fully working I-WIN button.
CCP should fix this right away and give BOB its alliance and SOV systems back. |
Amy Wang
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Posted - 2009.02.05 14:28:00 -
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Make disbanding an Alliance require a vote by all directors and shareholdes of the executor corp just like such simple things as wardecs and blueprint lockdowns already do?
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lebrata
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.02.05 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang Make disbanding an Alliance require a vote by all directors and shareholdes of the executor corp just like such simple things as wardecs and blueprint lockdowns already do?
Yup, a timer deal for long term absent directors ect should be implemented as well.
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Winters Chill
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:27:00 -
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I agree, Fix the hole sure, but no takes backsies, no rollbacks, whats done is done.
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Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:42:00 -
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Negative. Go read up on the info CCP provides for alliance creation.
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lebrata
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Etien Aldragoran Negative. Go read up on the info CCP provides for alliance creation.
And im sure you being a goon has no baring on your opinion...or that you would be screaming OMGBOBDEVHAX if BOB had done it to your alliance.
This I-WIN button should be removed asap as it is not winning by playing the game.
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:20:00 -
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While I agree that Alliance disbanding should not be instant, even I while go berserk if CCP does any rollbacks. What is done is done, and should not be intervened in by devs. It's no exploit. Might be a mechanic that needs work, but it's damn clever work on Goons part and should not be rollbacked.
Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change. |
Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:38:00 -
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...or alliance management can limit director access in the executor corp.
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Random Womble
Minmatar Master Miners
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Posted - 2009.02.05 18:42:00 -
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intrestingly enough by the looks of the general forum and what one guy said this has happened before and i assume from what he said that his alliance WAS reinstate now if that precedent is true well technically BOB would have to be reinstated in its former state.
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mcnuggetlol
Amarr Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.05 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: lebrata After the debacle and ridiculous disbandment of BOB, it is obvious that eve actually has a real and fully working I-WIN button.
CCP should fix this right away and give BOB its alliance and SOV systems back.
In order for this "I win" button to be used the heads of the alliance have to put someone in the position where they can actually pull it off. CCP doesn't need to do ****, people just need to be careful who they make directors.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.05 19:24:00 -
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EVE game design that allowed such sudden disbanding of BoB is simply bad design. It may not even be on level of exploit, it's just poor, weak game design. In that sense, it should be fixed, improved
But no rollbacks, of course. No restoration of sov. In a way, BoB had a good run, it's time they learn some humility.
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lebrata
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.02.05 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: mcnuggetlol
Originally by: lebrata After the debacle and ridiculous disbandment of BOB, it is obvious that eve actually has a real and fully working I-WIN button.
CCP should fix this right away and give BOB its alliance and SOV systems back.
In order for this "I win" button to be used the heads of the alliance have to put someone in the position where they can actually pull it off. CCP doesn't need to do ****, people just need to be careful who they make directors.
A game design that allows a single player to destroy billions in other players assets, to remove the sov of a almost unlimited amount of star systems with other players POS and capital arrays among other things WITH A SINGLE CLICK OF A BUTTON AND NO WARNING OR TIMER DELAY TELLING OTHER LEADERS or that gives them the ability to stop it is a ****e designed game mechanic.
I dislike bob intensely and had they done this to goon i would have the same opinion of them...anyway a precedent has been set for roll backs in this situation as it has happened before.
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mcnuggetlol
Amarr Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.05 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: lebrata
I dislike bob intensely and had they done this to goon i would have the same opinion of them...anyway a precedent has been set for roll backs in this situation as it has happened before.
Given CCP's history with BoB there's no way in hell they'd rollback.
Although chances are there'll be an extra patch note come M10 regarding alliance disbanding.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.05 19:49:00 -
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BoB need a lesson in humility. They aren't better than everyone else. No rollbacks. If only you could see the amount of verbal abuse I got from their members. |
lebrata
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.02.05 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron BoB need a lesson in humility. They aren't better than everyone else. No rollbacks. If only you could see the amount of verbal abuse I got from their members.
Right and wrong is not a popularity contest, and if ccp has rolled back for another alliance that had the same thing done to them it is only right they do it for BOB. |
Midday Toker
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Posted - 2009.02.05 20:10:00 -
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I think this is all pretty interesting. Its using game mechanics to circumvent game mechanics. LOL
My alt is a majority share holding director in the executor corp of the alliance, I intend to take over, but havent gotten around to training up the required skills.
Anyway, as a director with a full suite of roles I can do everything the Executor/CEO can, bar from one thing. There is no disband alliance option available. I can withdraw the executor corp or kick other corps, but I cannot disband the alliance as a whole. Generally if the executor leaves, its no biggy, the remaining corps just vote on the new executor.
However in this situation the guy kick every corp first, before withdrawing the Executor from the alliance. This is essentailly a loophole around the Executor Corp's CEO being the only one who can disband the alliance.
So yeah, Game mechanics to circumvent game mechanics? that doesnt sound to be working as intended to me. I mean really, if I have to go through a 24 hour vote period to unlock something in the hangar, it boggles my mind that directors can kick every corp and withdraw with out some kind of voting measure in place to prevent this exact kind of thing.
I think this is more of a situation of unforseen possibilites on CCP's part then anything. |
rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Etien Aldragoran Negative. Go read up on the info CCP provides for alliance creation.
After myself or someone else does this exact same thing to you, we will see how you feel about it.
Youll be whining even harder.
I look forward to it.
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Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987
Originally by: Etien Aldragoran Negative. Go read up on the info CCP provides for alliance creation.
After myself or someone else does this exact same thing to you, we will see how you feel about it.
Youll be whining even harder.
I look forward to it.
I look forward to it too but only because I'm in the pool for it.
But seriously. CCP has published the information related to alliance management to where it's available for everyone. Guess what the description for the director role is? |
Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:06:00 -
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There is an instruction for EVE? O_O |
Zoiewu
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Posted - 2009.02.06 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang Make disbanding an Alliance require a vote by all directors and shareholdes of the executor corp just like such simple things as wardecs and blueprint lockdowns already do?
Agree with but alliances should be given the option to either have a vote or be able to leave as is, Shouldn't close the door to this but give more options.
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Koyama Ise
Caldari Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2009.02.06 02:27:00 -
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So it remains that it's more of a security threat that a director renames your corp wallet/hanger divisions rather than disbanding the alliance? --- O.P. is made of fail c/d.
Originally by: rValdez5987 I dont like your sig. It fills me with rage.
I want it removed. Reported.
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El Huapo
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Posted - 2009.02.06 03:39:00 -
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confirming that the giant Alliance tears are the tastiest. |
Zaxana
K. M. A. Enterprise Anarchy.
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Posted - 2009.02.06 03:52:00 -
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It can happen to any alliance worth its space. The most powerful individuals in this game now are the director level spies in executor corps and they know it.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.02.06 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Random Womble intrestingly enough by the looks of the general forum and what one guy said this has happened before and i assume from what he said that his alliance WAS reinstate now if that precedent is true well technically BOB would have to be reinstated in its former state.
Yes, and from the same forum chatter you can tell, that it was reinstated because the account, that did that was hacked. So the precedent doesn't really apply to this case.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.06 09:39:00 -
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But didn't bob do this very thing to other corps? Why is it unfair now?
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
lebrata
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.02.06 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba But didn't bob do this very thing to other corps?
The only time i have heard of this happening was rolled back.
Originally by: Zeba Why is it unfair now?
Because it was unfair then...... |
Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:49:00 -
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The only possible chance of a rollback is if there is direct evidence of account hacking. It doesn't seem to be the case.
If CCP seriously thought this deserved roll back, it would have happened last downtime. The window of opportunity is closed. So just suck it up. You are not better than everyone else.
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Rhadamantine
Game Community
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Posted - 2009.02.06 10:52:00 -
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What's done is done, they have both been guilty of similar actions.
If you live by the sword, expect to die by it.
Regards. Rhadamantine. |
lebrata
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.02.06 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron The only possible chance of a rollback is if there is direct evidence of account hacking. It doesn't seem to be the case.
If CCP seriously thought this deserved roll back, it would have happened last downtime. The window of opportunity is closed. So just suck it up. You are not better than everyone else.
President or not ccp fully investigating and then making a decision or not is not the real issue, changing the mechanic so it cannot happen again must be done.
Seems to me that ppls jealousy is coloring their opinions on the subject, i cannot stand bob and i loathe goons but this game mechanic is so screwed it should be fixed and ppl should not benefit from its use. The entire issue for me is the individual players who's investments and time are now screwed over because of this broken loop hole mechanic.
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Tahripado
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Posted - 2009.02.06 16:20:00 -
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and OP r alt BOB, stop to cry n stfu... |
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