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baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.06 20:05:00 - [31] By the looks of things bob are already restoreing themselves.
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2009.02.06 20:22:00 - [32] terrible terrible post ,you should go and read CAOD a bit and why BOB dead or alive is your business ?
Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.06 20:26:00 - [33] Originally by: DrAtomic That's what the propaganda machine says, however the owner of the account is away on military bootcamp and hasn't been verified as having done this for real. Actually, he isn't. Keep grasping for straws though~~~
Benny Broadband Fulcrum Mercenary Services	Posted - 2009.02.06 20:27:00 - [34] Ok, Since I have been quoted, I guess I better fill in some blanks. First, when you create and alliance for a fee of 1 billion isk there is only one corp in that alliance, which is the executor corp, and usually, it will have 1 member. This alliance, with 1 member and 1 corp will exist on its own as long as the alliance bill is paid every month. It is my understanding , as it was told to me by ccp, that only the ceo of the executor corp has the power to close the alliance. A director does not have this power. A director does have the ability to boot or accept corps on behalf of the ceo, but as with corp game mechanics, a director can not close the corp, remove roles from other directors or the ceo. There is a voting process in which a corp member can run for ceo, but then you have the shares thing to contend with. At the end of the day, I will stand my ground and say that if a director can close and alliance that it is a bug. A GM fixed this for us. I had my post edited yesterday by Mitnal, so I will not add the text of the petition reply from the GM's, but rest assured, there is a bug in the mechanics of the alliance admin structure and it has the potential to breed and infest this game as long as there are players that are willing to play with the bug and see what it can do. I will also say again that I believe that CCP should issue a warning to any and all players that this is being looked into as an exploit in game mechanics and to avoid any such actions. The financial damage, the damage to the players moral and willingness to invest their time and effort into this game is at stake here. The simple fact that a director, not a CEO can effectively destroy the work of thousands of players over several years is simply too much for the Devs to ignore. This is something that will have a serious finacial impact on CCP if it is not corrected. I mean whats the point of making something, investing time and effort if it can just be erased in a second by a ****ed off or bored subordinate. On the other hand, if this is the way the game can be played, I pity any Exec CEO that had not already removed his senior staff.
URUS FORGE Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED	Posted - 2009.02.06 20:47:00 - [35] I think you are missing a huge point here. Game Balance! Unlike most mmo's, a char with superior skills can still lose to someone with superior intellect and cunning. To me this is the very foundations of what EvE is all about. A director in a corp has the power to kick players. An exec director in this same sense has the power to remove corps. This is an intended game balance.. if anything it should be enhanced with skills related to spying and counter spying. Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.02.06 20:56:00 - [36] Omg!1!111!!!! Eve is so dark and ebil! Welcome to eve nubs!!1! Seriously? Is that what eve has come to? A bunch of whiny petulant children? Number one, the last time I checked eve was MANY things to many different people. Eve cannot EVER be boiled down to what happens in 0.0, what happens in low-sec systems, or what happens during suicide ganks in hi-sec. If you think that these things "are" what EVE "is" you just don't fracking get it. Number two, there are a LOT of things that are "allowed" by game mechanics which just aren't intended. In fact, the definition of an exploit is being able to do something through game mechanics (exploit game mechanics) that isn't intended. I'm not making a statement here whether or not this applies to this particular event, but get your ****ing concepts straight before you start with your "WHHAAANNNN WELCOME TO EVE WAHAAAAN.... THEY BETTER NOT SIDE WITH BOB... WHHHAAAN." Indeed, there are MANY things that were part of game mechanics, like POS bowling, like being able to remote rep POSes in hi-sec with alt corps, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc that have been declared exploits. The moral of the story, for me at least, is that 90% of the eve community (or maybe its just 90% of the eve-o forum community) just needs to get over themselves. -Karlemgne
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2009.02.06 20:57:00 - [37] Hello kitty Originally by: Benny Broadband The financial damage, the damage to the players moral and willingness to invest their time and effort into this game is at stake here.
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.02.06 21:15:00 - [38] Edited by: Karlemgne on 06/02/2009 21:16:09 Originally by: KISOGOKU Hello kitty Originally by: Benny Broadband The financial damage, the damage to the players moral and willingness to invest their time and effort into this game is at stake here. Constructive. I might as well say... SA Forums Of course that's just a meaningless as what you've said, so we're left just about where we started.
Extregar Qvint Caldari FinFleet	Posted - 2009.02.06 21:39:00 - [39] Im afraid that even IF ccp can give us BoB back, they wont. Given the history (with certian ccp employees in mind) the forum ****storm would be monumental.
Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.06 22:26:00 - [40] Edited by: Dianeces on 06/02/2009 22:27:23 Originally by: DrAtomic That's what the propaganda machine says, however the owner of the account is away on military bootcamp and hasn't been verified as having done this for real. I'll just go ahead and kill this rumor now so we can get it behind us. [ 2008.12.16 03:23:06 ] Haargoth Agamar > IM HITTING YOU UP INGAME [ 2008.12.16 03:23:08 ] Haargoth Agamar > AHHH [ 2008.12.16 03:23:11 ] Dianeces > i thought you died [ 2008.12.16 03:23:16 ] Haargoth Agamar > no [ 2008.12.16 03:23:23 ] Haargoth Agamar > I joined the canadian military :o [ 2008.12.16 03:23:37 ] Haargoth Agamar > so I have been at basic [ 2008.12.16 03:23:41 ] Haargoth Agamar > 3 weeks left [ 2008.12.16 03:23:43 ] Haargoth Agamar > after christmas [ 2008.12.16 03:23:44 ] Haargoth Agamar > tbh For those of you who can't do math: Last week of December + three weeks = end of January.... Now that that's all cleared up~~~

Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.02.06 22:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Dianeces Edited by: Dianeces on 06/02/2009 22:27:23 Originally by: DrAtomic That's what the propaganda machine says, however the owner of the account is away on military bootcamp and hasn't been verified as having done this for real. I'll just go ahead and kill this rumor now so we can get it behind us. [ 2008.12.16 03:23:06 ] Haargoth Agamar > IM HITTING YOU UP INGAME [ 2008.12.16 03:23:08 ] Haargoth Agamar > AHHH [ 2008.12.16 03:23:11 ] Dianeces > i thought you died [ 2008.12.16 03:23:16 ] Haargoth Agamar > no [ 2008.12.16 03:23:23 ] Haargoth Agamar > I joined the canadian military :o [ 2008.12.16 03:23:37 ] Haargoth Agamar > so I have been at basic [ 2008.12.16 03:23:41 ] Haargoth Agamar > 3 weeks left [ 2008.12.16 03:23:43 ] Haargoth Agamar > after christmas [ 2008.12.16 03:23:44 ] Haargoth Agamar > tbh For those of you who can't do math: Last week of December + three weeks = end of January.... Now that that's all cleared up~~~ HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA You think that presenting people with reality will kill a rumor here?
Baghdad Babs Caldari THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.06 22:35:00 - [42] Quote: If the following quote is true and accurate, then BoB should be restored. Screw BOB they were gits anyway.....
Baghdad Babs Caldari THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.06 22:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Extregar Qvint Im afraid that even IF ccp can give us BoB back, they wont. Given the history (with certian ccp employees in mind) the forum **storm would be monumental. Exactly, you restore BOB for any reason what so ever then your **ed, there's a hell of a lot more non BOB than there is msn friedns -------------------------------------------------- The Internet, keeping you the reader updated with the "facts" since back when i was a man covering another conflict back on earth many eons ago!
elohllird Destructive Influence KenZoku	Posted - 2009.02.07 00:03:00 - [44] Originally by: Baghdad Babs Quote: If the following quote is true and accurate, then BoB should be restored. Screw BOB they were gits anyway..... confirming im a git
Baghdad Babs Caldari THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.07 00:09:00 - [45] Originally by: elohllird Originally by: Baghdad Babs Quote: If the following quote is true and accurate, then BoB should be restored. Screw BOB they were gits anyway..... confirming im a git Said the man with the ****ty Aliance name -------------------------------------------------- The Internet, keeping you the reader updated with the "facts" since back when i was a man covering another conflict back on earth many eons ago!
elohllird Destructive Influence KenZoku	Posted - 2009.02.07 00:12:00 - [46] Originally by: Baghdad Babs Originally by: elohllird Originally by: Baghdad Babs Quote: If the following quote is true and accurate, then BoB should be restored. Screw BOB they were gits anyway..... confirming im a git Said the man with the ****ty Aliance name hey dont blame me i just work here
Lilith Order	Posted - 2009.02.07 00:29:00 - [47] This hasn't made the news side bar yet and that leaves me to think nothing is off the table. I'm not holding my breath though and neither is BoB. We are all the pets of CCP and when push coes to shove, they throw us to the curb like trash.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Divinity's Edge	Posted - 2009.02.07 00:33:00 - [48] Originally by: Lilith Order This hasn't made the news side bar yet and that leaves me to think nothing is off the table. I'm not holding my breath though and neither is BoB. We are all the pets of CCP and when push coes to shove, they throw us to the curb like trash. Stuff. Contract. Now.
Lilith Order	Posted - 2009.02.07 00:42:00 - [49] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Lilith Order This hasn't made the news side bar yet and that leaves me to think nothing is off the table. I'm not holding my breath though and neither is BoB. We are all the pets of CCP and when push coes to shove, they throw us to the curb like trash. Stuff. Contract. Now. What, nobody left to hack and steal from?
Dartago Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.02.07 00:49:00 - [50] i dont think BoB should be restored under any circumstances, however if it can be proven that the directors of goonswarm managed to compromise the bob directors account i think CCP should do the right thing :) and that would be to disband Goons to put them on equal footing now that would be epic fun ,but alas i doubt it can be proven ether way

URUS FORGE Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED	Posted - 2009.02.07 01:03:00 - [51] bah.. if alliances can't pick their E.Ds well and treat them well then it seems to me they deserve what they get. On the same note if an enemy alliance infiltrates that high a level on their own and does this it is the same. Poor judgement should not be rewarded.. not in EvE.. Everyone seems to like these things.. except when they happen to them. Then it is an exploit.. a bug.. not fleshed out part of the game. In life you can't change the friggin code to suit your happy fun place. We need to allow both the evil, middle of the road, and the light to exist.. so that the game stays interesting. Not nerf every dam thing just because .. this game will be W0W in no time if we all start ***ing about existing game mechanics. Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell**
Hasitio	Posted - 2009.02.07 01:16:00 - [52] That's outrageous, BOB is now invincible because of Devs unfair interfearence in the game. Everyone should leave 0.0, space we can't win...
ddr800	Posted - 2009.02.07 01:57:00 - [53] I totally donÆt agree with this kind of game play its just farce and *ottry at its best, the fact eve allows the largest and oldest alliance in the game to get * punked like this says volumes of what kind of game they want for their players, A plethora of dochbags. I am sorry with out such a failure in mechanics the goons would stand no chance in removing bob as a super power, Again I donÆt give about bob or the goons it just shows me that I wont ever put this much stock in to ccp hole game ever. So let me get this setàI am going to build up my mega alliance to get bull out of what I rightfully earnedàhaha ya right YOU CCP. I agree with pvp and an aggressive environment to an extent but ccp has gone off the ing deep end and I am sure they are losing accounts by the truck load due to anyone who thinks about what just happened and how its some how ok by the ***** playbook in ccp headquarters. Again I am not Bob I am not Goon, I am just some dude who has played the game for 2 years and I am watching this and its showing me this game is a waste of space and time and i would be better off canceling and not getting dochbaged like these guys.
Napro Caldari Fist of Eargon	Posted - 2009.02.07 02:12:00 - [54] Originally by: ddr800 I totally donÆt agree with this kind of game play its just farce and *ottry at its best, the fact eve allows the largest and oldest alliance in the game to get * punked like this says volumes of what kind of game they want for their players, A plethora of dochbags. I am sorry with out such a failure in mechanics the goons would stand no chance in removing bob as a super power, Again I donÆt give about bob or the goons it just shows me that I wont ever put this much stock in to ccp hole game ever. So let me get this setàI am going to build up my mega alliance to get bull out of what I rightfully earnedàhaha ya right YOU CCP. I agree with pvp and an aggressive environment to an extent but ccp has gone off the ing deep end and I am sure they are losing accounts by the truck load due to anyone who thinks about what just happened and how its some how ok by the ***** playbook in ccp headquarters. Again I am not Bob I am not Goon, I am just some dude who has played the game for 2 years and I am watching this and its showing me this game is a waste of space and time and i would be better off canceling and not getting dochbaged like these guys. Can i keep your stuff? Listen to what you're advocating... Theyre the biggest and baddest and no game mechanic or person should be able to topple them. Why the hell then should the rest of Eve keep playing? To eventually join BoB/Kenzoku? Then what?
James Malice Gallente Coalition Of Resolution	Posted - 2009.02.07 02:17:00 - [55] Posting in a bob alt thread Originally by: MooKids I like them, I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
Grammar Wizard Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.07 02:42:00 - [56] Originally by: Inmaculada Divinity Now, that sets a past precedence. That being the case if it's acknowledged as a bug AND the act was reversed for you it stands to reason that the same should also be done for BoB. If they have done it for one, then it should be done for others. Not to do it just because it's BoB would be just plain wrong, unfair and a show of double standards. Now, that sets a past precedent. That being the case, if it's acknowledged as a bug AND the act was reversed for you it stands to reason that the same should also be done for BoB. If they have done it for one, then it should be done for others. Not to do it just because it's BoB would be just plain wrong and unfair because of the double standard.
Grammar Wizard Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.07 02:43:00 - [57] Originally by: baltec1 restoreing restoring
James Malice Gallente Coalition Of Resolution	Posted - 2009.02.07 02:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Grammar Wizard Originally by: baltec1 restoreing restoring IT'S A TARP!
Octavious Delance GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.07 02:46:00 - [59] Originally by: Inmaculada Divinity If the following quote is true and accurate, then BoB should be restored. Ok, so this happened to you and the GM's acknowledged it was a bug and restored your alliance. Now, that sets a past precedence. That being the case if it's acknowledged as a bug AND the act was reversed for you it stands to reason that the same should also be done for BoB. If they have done it for one, then it should be done for others. Not to do it just because it's BoB would be just plain wrong, unfair and a show of double standards. This all hinges on the accuracy and correctness of BB's quoted text. If correct, then I can see no way this can be brushed off as a legitimate tactic when it's already been corrected for being a bug. you mad? also Quote: 2008-11-05, 12:08 #21 k1lz FINFL Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 278 Default IMO opinion the only alliances that are worth flying in BOB gang are: 1. Executive Outcomes 2. Southern Cross Alliance With the following notes: Executive Outcomes: NO MORE BSs with Tech I guns, no more comedy fits respect the BOB fleet setup or we will execute on site there pilots in comedy fits. Southern Cross Alliance: NO MORE BSs with Tech I guns, no more comedy fits respect the BOB fleet setup or we will execute on site there pilots in comedy fits; ask them to double there pvp activity and ask them to fly more often HIDs or Dictors, The rest of the GBC is some how average, crap or TOTAL CRAP: INTERDICTION somehow average, they fly mainly ravens but at least is a BS not ceptor, but they lack In numbers badly so I donÆt think we need them in main fleet. BeachBoys (average) there main problem is the lack of BSs, they use lots of HACs, BCs in the rest are active PVPrs for their numbers but I say letÆs use them for a precise gankage in 15W or any other resupply routes NC has. As a side note this guys are the only one having a kill ratio agains MM better then BOB Crap allies: Axiom Empire there second most used ship in killing NC is ceptor, third cerberus, forth rapier, and fifth is falcon. They have big numbers compared to other allies we have but they use the most hilarious fittings you ever seen and 50% of the BSs with tech I guns are AXE. Give them a task as far away from our main theater of operations they will get in our way if they are close. Skunk-Works except the dictors that are useful the rest is support, they donÆt commit BSs on the field and for their numbers have a crapy attendance to pvp operations. We can give them some grifing mission I think they will be more happy and us all so. X13 Alliance they are few but at least flying BSs still at the numbers they can get to main fleet I prefer to know that we donÆt have them on ts à Blade. Lack of BSs mainly and all so comedy fittings, after AXE they are the ones with the most BSs with tech I guns TOTAL CRAP (I NEVER WANT TO SEE THEM IN THE MAIN FLEET): DeaDSpace Coalition Confederation of Independent Corporations Pupule 'Ohana T e r c i o s G00DFELLAS
Gealbhan Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.02.07 03:37:00 - [60] What happened to BoB is within the game mechanics and if CCP did reverse it then there'd be a back lash ala T20x10,000. **** happens, deal with it.



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