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S'Jet	Posted - 2004.08.04 01:53:00 - [31] I don't get it, when you think a skill is useless why train them. every skill is equal important, so you have train it cruiser to level5 and the new ships coming out maybe don't require lvl5. that dosen't mean that its useless, you will find out that with your cruiser to lvl5 you will have advantage in so many things. *"Here's everything I know about war: Somebody wins, somebody loses, and nothing is ever the same again."*
S'Jet	Posted - 2004.08.04 01:53:00 - [32] I don't get it, when you think a skill is useless why train them. every skill is equal important, so you have train it cruiser to level5 and the new ships coming out maybe don't require lvl5. that dosen't mean that its useless, you will find out that with your cruiser to lvl5 you will have advantage in so many things. *"Here's everything I know about war: Somebody wins, somebody loses, and nothing is ever the same again."*
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2004.08.04 02:20:00 - [33] Originally by: S'Jet I don't get it, when you think a skill is useless why train them. every skill is equal important, so you have train it cruiser to level5 and the new ships coming out maybe don't require lvl5. that dosen't mean that its useless, you will find out that with your cruiser to lvl5 you will have advantage in so many things. "useless" would be in the sense of wasting training time that would have given better output training something else. Like.. training 41 days for BS lvl5 when you could have had 3-4 cheaper lvl 5's or 10 lvl 4's in the same time * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2004.08.04 02:20:00 - [34] Originally by: S'Jet I don't get it, when you think a skill is useless why train them. every skill is equal important, so you have train it cruiser to level5 and the new ships coming out maybe don't require lvl5. that dosen't mean that its useless, you will find out that with your cruiser to lvl5 you will have advantage in so many things. "useless" would be in the sense of wasting training time that would have given better output training something else. Like.. training 41 days for BS lvl5 when you could have had 3-4 cheaper lvl 5's or 10 lvl 4's in the same time * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo
Resdayn	Posted - 2004.08.04 04:00:00 - [35] Originally by: Tarm Originally by: boogaboob I think i have read on eve-i.com that destroyers will require interceptors lvl 3 and battlecruisers will require escorts lvl 3. Of course i could be mistaken. Yes, I've seen that also, but I tend to think it's more of a placeholder stat than a real one. If it is the truth, not only will interceptor pilots have the advantage of interceptors, but also have a significant edge on skill-training for the new cruisers. Plus, interceptor skills for a destroyer doesn't make too much sense, but that's just me. but it does make sense...know your enemy....destroyers will fill the battle role ceptor killer Mariah Lawsara: do you ever get laid or do you have to rely on Gallente hookers to help you? Resdayn: I have never engulfed myself in the heretics of gallantean foundation of economy...
Resdayn	Posted - 2004.08.04 04:00:00 - [36] Originally by: Tarm Originally by: boogaboob I think i have read on eve-i.com that destroyers will require interceptors lvl 3 and battlecruisers will require escorts lvl 3. Of course i could be mistaken. Yes, I've seen that also, but I tend to think it's more of a placeholder stat than a real one. If it is the truth, not only will interceptor pilots have the advantage of interceptors, but also have a significant edge on skill-training for the new cruisers. Plus, interceptor skills for a destroyer doesn't make too much sense, but that's just me. but it does make sense...know your enemy....destroyers will fill the battle role ceptor killer Mariah Lawsara: do you ever get laid or do you have to rely on Gallente hookers to help you? Resdayn: I have never engulfed myself in the heretics of gallantean foundation of economy...
Amira	Posted - 2004.08.04 11:55:00 - [37] I don't see why CCCP wouldn't make Cruisers 5 a requirement for Elite Cruisers. Making a 5 requirement is the general method for making people show they're going the extra mile to qualify for something cool, like Drones 5 for Heavy Drones or Gunnery 5 for Trajectory Analysis. So given that I believe Cruisers 5 will be a requirement for Elite Cruisers, if you want to fly them it would be a useful training opportunity irrespective of race. ----------------------------------------------- "The Spartans ask not how many, but where they are." -Agis II of Sparta 'Valor is the contempt of death and pain.' -Tacitus
Amira	Posted - 2004.08.04 11:55:00 - [38] I don't see why CCCP wouldn't make Cruisers 5 a requirement for Elite Cruisers. Making a 5 requirement is the general method for making people show they're going the extra mile to qualify for something cool, like Drones 5 for Heavy Drones or Gunnery 5 for Trajectory Analysis. So given that I believe Cruisers 5 will be a requirement for Elite Cruisers, if you want to fly them it would be a useful training opportunity irrespective of race. ----------------------------------------------- "The Spartans ask not how many, but where they are." -Agis II of Sparta 'Valor is the contempt of death and pain.' -Tacitus
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.08.04 13:17:00 - [39] Yeah, just a shame that cruiser lv5 takes so long :P lol CCCP? :D
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.08.04 13:17:00 - [40] Yeah, just a shame that cruiser lv5 takes so long :P lol CCCP? :D
Krendig	Posted - 2004.08.04 14:00:00 - [41] Keep in mind "battlecruiser" and "elite cruiser" may not be the same thing. I would hope that battle cruisers are in between Cruisers and Battleships in skill requirements as well as combat roles. Same with destroyers. Personally, I think they should be Tech I, but I doubt that will happen. On the plus side, given CCP's history, we'll all have plenty of time to train the necessary skills onces the ships are released, before they become generally available anyway. --Krendig
Krendig	Posted - 2004.08.04 14:00:00 - [42] Keep in mind "battlecruiser" and "elite cruiser" may not be the same thing. I would hope that battle cruisers are in between Cruisers and Battleships in skill requirements as well as combat roles. Same with destroyers. Personally, I think they should be Tech I, but I doubt that will happen. On the plus side, given CCP's history, we'll all have plenty of time to train the necessary skills onces the ships are released, before they become generally available anyway. --Krendig
Koinski	Posted - 2004.08.04 14:10:00 - [43] I trained a few lvl 5 skills when i was not playing the game. Among them was cruiser lvl 5. I am poor. Not playing means no money. But my Rupture kills stuff.
Koinski	Posted - 2004.08.04 14:10:00 - [44] I trained a few lvl 5 skills when i was not playing the game. Among them was cruiser lvl 5. I am poor. Not playing means no money. But my Rupture kills stuff.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.08.04 14:20:00 - [45] I don't care whether you call them elite / Tech I / Tech II whatever, but I hope that Destroyers and Battlecruisers require Cruiser 5. They are specialist ships for specialist purposes. Specialisation is a great tool for the development of this game. Forcing people to make choices and commit themselves to certain skill paths can only add variety and excitement.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.08.04 14:20:00 - [46] I don't care whether you call them elite / Tech I / Tech II whatever, but I hope that Destroyers and Battlecruisers require Cruiser 5. They are specialist ships for specialist purposes. Specialisation is a great tool for the development of this game. Forcing people to make choices and commit themselves to certain skill paths can only add variety and excitement.
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.08.04 14:25:00 - [47] Edited by: Vigilant on 04/08/2004 14:26:15 Originally by: Krendig Keep in mind "battlecruiser" and "elite cruiser" may not be the same thing. I would hope that battle cruisers are in between Cruisers and Battleships in skill requirements as well as combat roles. Same with destroyers. Personally, I think they should be Tech I, but I doubt that will happen. On the plus side, given CCP's history, we'll all have plenty of time to train the necessary skills onces the ships are released, before they become generally available anyway. --Krendig BC and Elite are NOT the same thing..... BC is Tech 1 and Elites are TECH 2....plain and simple... Just like Ceptors are Tech 2 of their brother Tech 1 Frigs... BC and Destroyers are NEW Classes for the Tech Ship One Tree....
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.08.04 14:25:00 - [48] Edited by: Vigilant on 04/08/2004 14:26:15 Originally by: Krendig Keep in mind "battlecruiser" and "elite cruiser" may not be the same thing. I would hope that battle cruisers are in between Cruisers and Battleships in skill requirements as well as combat roles. Same with destroyers. Personally, I think they should be Tech I, but I doubt that will happen. On the plus side, given CCP's history, we'll all have plenty of time to train the necessary skills onces the ships are released, before they become generally available anyway. --Krendig BC and Elite are NOT the same thing..... BC is Tech 1 and Elites are TECH 2....plain and simple... Just like Ceptors are Tech 2 of their brother Tech 1 Frigs... BC and Destroyers are NEW Classes for the Tech Ship One Tree....
Deadeye Blind	Posted - 2004.08.04 14:36:00 - [49] Didn't the last CSM say that there will be a Tech II Cruiser before Shiva? That was my understanding. Based on the reqs for Tech II Frigates, Cruiser V would be a prereq to flying the Tech II Cruisers.
Deadeye Blind	Posted - 2004.08.04 14:36:00 - [50] Didn't the last CSM say that there will be a Tech II Cruiser before Shiva? That was my understanding. Based on the reqs for Tech II Frigates, Cruiser V would be a prereq to flying the Tech II Cruisers.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.08.04 14:42:00 - [51] Originally by: Kalki Nibiru It would be stupid for it to take longer skill training time to pilot a battlecruiser than it does to pilot a battleship. It just doesnt make sense. training frigate and evasive from 0 to 5 takes over 30 days, probably a lot more, then add your inty skill training frigate 1-4 takes 2 days, cruiser 1-4 takes about 8, training spaceship command from 0-4 takes less than 2 days, then add your bs skill so interceptor takes longer to train than bs obviousily training missiles from 0 to cruise and turrents from 0 to heavy takes a lot longer but still __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.08.04 14:42:00 - [52] Originally by: Kalki Nibiru It would be stupid for it to take longer skill training time to pilot a battlecruiser than it does to pilot a battleship. It just doesnt make sense. training frigate and evasive from 0 to 5 takes over 30 days, probably a lot more, then add your inty skill training frigate 1-4 takes 2 days, cruiser 1-4 takes about 8, training spaceship command from 0-4 takes less than 2 days, then add your bs skill so interceptor takes longer to train than bs obviousily training missiles from 0 to cruise and turrents from 0 to heavy takes a lot longer but still __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
Tarm	Posted - 2004.08.04 14:43:00 - [53] Originally by: Vigilant Edited by: Vigilant on 04/08/2004 14:26:15BC and Elite are NOT the same thing..... BC is Tech 1 and Elites are TECH 2....plain and simple... Just like Ceptors are Tech 2 of their brother Tech 1 Frigs... BC and Destroyers are NEW Classes for the Tech Ship One Tree.... I tend to agree with you, however, don't just assume that because you believe it's that way, makes it that way. Noone knows for sure and this is idle speculation. There's no need to "lay down" that they are, in fact, tech 1. State your opinion as to why you think they are, don't just SAY they are and belittle someone for their view. -------------------
Tarm	Posted - 2004.08.04 14:43:00 - [54] Originally by: Vigilant Edited by: Vigilant on 04/08/2004 14:26:15BC and Elite are NOT the same thing..... BC is Tech 1 and Elites are TECH 2....plain and simple... Just like Ceptors are Tech 2 of their brother Tech 1 Frigs... BC and Destroyers are NEW Classes for the Tech Ship One Tree.... I tend to agree with you, however, don't just assume that because you believe it's that way, makes it that way. Noone knows for sure and this is idle speculation. There's no need to "lay down" that they are, in fact, tech 1. State your opinion as to why you think they are, don't just SAY they are and belittle someone for their view. -------------------
DeFood	Posted - 2004.08.04 15:45:00 - [55] I disagree. I dont think that ANY skills should be required at level 5. There SHOULD always be in my opinion, room for people who wish to push the performance bracked, room to improve with skill levels trained purely for the extra 5% to some or other feature. Its like, the Gallente Iteron V has a 5% per level increase to cargo capacity. WHY? You cant ***ing increase your Industrial skill any more!? Likewise, any interceptors you see are automatically going to be at the maximum possible agility.
DeFood	Posted - 2004.08.04 15:45:00 - [56] I disagree. I dont think that ANY skills should be required at level 5. There SHOULD always be in my opinion, room for people who wish to push the performance bracked, room to improve with skill levels trained purely for the extra 5% to some or other feature. Its like, the Gallente Iteron V has a 5% per level increase to cargo capacity. WHY? You cant ***ing increase your Industrial skill any more!? Likewise, any interceptors you see are automatically going to be at the maximum possible agility.
Roderic Excelion	Posted - 2004.08.04 15:58:00 - [57] Originally by: Tarm Edited by: Tarm on 03/08/2004 17:28:24 Those points make sense, however..... If someone has had enough time in the game to progress to cruiser level 5, most likely he/she has enough ISK to progress to a battlecruiser or destroyer. If either of those vessels achieves what you just described with better results (most likely the case), you would be hard pressed to find someone using a cruiser at level 5 instead of one of the newer ships. Tech 2 ships are advanced specialized replicas of their previous models. They perform a specified role in combat. These new battlecruisers/destroyers are going to fill a specific gap in fleet combat, not provide another generic combat platform. Why would you create a ship that is specialized and not require skills to match? Generic skills = generic ship, as is currently shown. I find it hard to believe these new ships will be as generic as current battleship/cruiser/frigate setups (small variety, but largely generic). Edit: Typo I have ccaldari cruiser V. I have never been over 10 Million isk. What you say isn't nececarially true.
Roderic Excelion	Posted - 2004.08.04 15:58:00 - [58] Originally by: Tarm Edited by: Tarm on 03/08/2004 17:28:24 Those points make sense, however..... If someone has had enough time in the game to progress to cruiser level 5, most likely he/she has enough ISK to progress to a battlecruiser or destroyer. If either of those vessels achieves what you just described with better results (most likely the case), you would be hard pressed to find someone using a cruiser at level 5 instead of one of the newer ships. Tech 2 ships are advanced specialized replicas of their previous models. They perform a specified role in combat. These new battlecruisers/destroyers are going to fill a specific gap in fleet combat, not provide another generic combat platform. Why would you create a ship that is specialized and not require skills to match? Generic skills = generic ship, as is currently shown. I find it hard to believe these new ships will be as generic as current battleship/cruiser/frigate setups (small variety, but largely generic). Edit: Typo I have ccaldari cruiser V. I have never been over 10 Million isk. What you say isn't nececarially true.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.08.04 16:05:00 - [59] Originally by: DeFood I disagree. I dont think that ANY skills should be required at level 5. There SHOULD always be in my opinion, room for people who wish to push the performance bracked, room to improve with skill levels trained purely for the extra 5% to some or other feature. Its like, the Gallente Iteron V has a 5% per level increase to cargo capacity. WHY? You cant ***ing increase your Industrial skill any more!? Likewise, any interceptors you see are automatically going to be at the maximum possible agility. I agree with your sentiment, but whilst the difference in skill level training times is at it's current level, level 5 is the only way to set a genuinely high requirement. Imagine if interceptors only required frig 4 and evasive manouvering 4, andbody could fly one with only a week or so's effort. That's not an elite ship.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.08.04 16:05:00 - [60] Originally by: DeFood I disagree. I dont think that ANY skills should be required at level 5. There SHOULD always be in my opinion, room for people who wish to push the performance bracked, room to improve with skill levels trained purely for the extra 5% to some or other feature. Its like, the Gallente Iteron V has a 5% per level increase to cargo capacity. WHY? You cant ***ing increase your Industrial skill any more!? Likewise, any interceptors you see are automatically going to be at the maximum possible agility. I agree with your sentiment, but whilst the difference in skill level training times is at it's current level, level 5 is the only way to set a genuinely high requirement. Imagine if interceptors only required frig 4 and evasive manouvering 4, andbody could fly one with only a week or so's effort. That's not an elite ship.

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