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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon
truth
Tbh the leadership of the Goons dropped the ball big time on this one. If they had a director level defector why in the name of all that is holy and logical did they not farm him for information and then use his trusted position to undermine the already shakey conditions in the bob alliance due to all the infighting even further. With time and just the slightest bit of effort the Goons could have found out about all the backup plans and with a bit of patience could have pre-positioned all its assets for a huge push right near downtime timed right to the second that bob was disbanded. Cyno alts that were planted in the cyno jammed systems could online and hotdrop a massive invasion force organized for a long siege filled with cap ships and towers and all manner of things to stake a claim right in the middle of Delve. These attacks would be against lightly defended key systems reducing them to rubble in a flash by using inside information that would have been provided by long planning and subterfuge on the dicrectors part. God knows how many other humiliating details could have been hashed out for an utter and devastating offensive to scatter bob to the four corners of empire and plant the goon flag firmly and forever in Delve.
However the goon leadership settled for a nice picture frame with a BoB ceritficate in it and a cheesy mp3 instead.
Are there words in any language that can even begin to describe the what level of /fail that is? I sure as hell can't find them and I gotz all sorts of lovely descriptive words in my head.  |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.07 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon
truth
Tbh the leadership of the Goons dropped the ball big time on this one. If they had a director level defector why in the name of all that is holy and logical did they not farm him for information and then use his trusted position to undermine the already shakey conditions in the bob alliance due to all the infighting even further. With time and just the slightest bit of effort the Goons could have found out about all the backup plans and with a bit of patience could have pre-positioned all its assets for a huge push right near downtime timed right to the second that bob was disbanded. Cyno alts that were planted in the cyno jammed systems could online and hotdrop a massive invasion force organized for a long siege filled with cap ships and towers and all manner of things to stake a claim right in the middle of Delve. These attacks would be against lightly defended key systems reducing them to rubble in a flash by using inside information that would have been provided by long planning and subterfuge on the dicrectors part. God knows how many other humiliating details could have been hashed out for an utter and devastating offensive to scatter bob to the four corners of empire and plant the goon flag firmly and forever in Delve.
However the goon leadership settled for a nice picture frame with a BoB ceritficate in it and a cheesy mp3 instead.
Are there words in any language that can even begin to describe the what level of /fail that is? I sure as hell can't find them and I gotz all sorts of lovely descriptive words in my head.
Why yes there is. Obama, liberalism, democrats, bail out, mortgage industry, BoB. Shall I keep going on with descriptions of fail?
Lol! I see the slow painful burn of realization has finally sank into the pit of the quicker witted goonies stomachs and the confused misdirected emorage is strong. How does it feel after the suger rush of 'nyah nyah we got yer name bob lolololol you are no more!' has wore off leaving only the bitter aftertaste of things that could have been if only the goons leadership hadn't tried to chew the whole pack of gum in one gulp leaving none for later. Evil wicked embarrasing plot upon evil wicked embarasing plot upon even eviler wickeder hide yor face forevah plots all wasted on a single ill thought out grab for a useless title, some pocket change and a childish mp3 leaving all its lands and its defenders scott free to regroup at will and stop you in your tracks. Delve could have been yours Goonswarm. Always remember that every time you log off and every time you lose yet another operation to take Delve. It litteraly could have been all yours for the price of a bit of patience and forethought to take full advantage of having a TRAITOROUS DIRECTOR OF BOB in your ranks. Now all of that is impossible and you will have to rely on all the same old tricks to take Delve that have never before and never will work. Well I guess I will count this as a 'HIT! I just sank your Leadership!' vs the goonies. Enjoy watching KenZoku sov inevitably climb its way back up to four.
Night goonies and I hope you have sweet pleasent dreams of what could have been.. |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.07 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: bff Jill
I think bob should have picked a much more arrogant and pretentious name for themselves since they had this chance to reform under a new alliance name. Its silly and a joke when a bunch of nublars pick a powerful name for their alliance/corp/whatever. But bob could have pulled it off and we could have had a truly awe inspiring superpower to complain about instead of just some guy.
Yeah twas a bit of a letdown but they always had that oriental flavor going on with reikoku and such. Ahh well I'll still be kos regardless so  to new bob.
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Also i don't recall zeba being so terrifying before
Sorry. Its the corp name I picked at work so I gotta start living up to it now that m10 is so close. A bite steel in half attitude might come in handy in w-space.  |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.07 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: panterus29
did you consider by chance that the traitorous BoB director may have already been on shacky ground since he created an alt to try and get in to Goonswarm so he could defect in the first place the smash and grab technique was just outdone in a major way they did more to BoB than anyone else has ever done to an alliance over night i think they are very happy with that actually i would be if i was Mittani or one of the other guys even if i saw potential for bettr next time around :)
Let me spin a little parable about how unbelievably badly this was done. Imagine its the height of the cold war and somehow the ruskies got one of Reagans closest advisers to defect. This guy has access to everything and I mean everything that would be needed for russia to launch a devastating unbeatable strike against which the united states would have had absolutely no defense. However.. Instead they tell him to bring the original copy of the constitution and declaration of independance plus whatever silver is in the drawers. Once in russia they make a video tape of the politburo tearing up the documents and claiming america is finally dead we have destroyed them once and for all as they dance and cavort on top of the big table giggling and taking shots of vodka.
Do you understand the utter inexcusable waste of potential that just happened now?  |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.07 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: panterus31
Fair enough on the long term plans though I still think with proper coaching the traitor could have improved his attitude towards bob and gotten back in good graces for ruinous effect. Say the goons set up some conveneint small victorys for him to claim against them to regain his power and bobs trust or any other number of ways an intelligent man on the inside could wiggle back into good grace. But eh those opportunitys are all past history now so lets focus on what did happen. Ok, lets me tell you what I thought was happening at the time. I knew someone had defected and killed the alliance so all the sov would dissapear and vastly improve the chances to make a successful smash and grab invasion that would have a really good possibility of holding some territory. I imagined that the goons probably had this guy for at least a few days or weeks and was pumping him for all the tactical and strategic knowledge he had as a well thought out contingency plan worked out long in advance was being put into rapid motion to take advantage of the one shot no sov opportunity. Once all the assets had been placed and were ready to go the traitor would kill the alliance as the prepositioned goon forces poured into a completely off guard and in moast cases undefended Delve. Much sporadic fighting would happen as the word slowly spread among bobs member though tbh by that time it would have been far too late. Massive hit to bob and now the Goons have a big chunk of it with the rest only a matter of time.
But this is what happened. They flushed out a bob spy who was really a defector and as they plotted to spraypaint bob is dead all over the forums and make an mp3 to rub it in he killed the alliance and did the gtfo routine. Chaos reigns and people slowly realize 'hey maybe we should like you know go try to take some of that territory? ya know?'. The leadership pauses in its prancing and goes 'oh yeah forgot about that part we were too busy stealing bob name. Well put out a standard goon op flash in corp mail and tell them to just blob anything that moves in Delve. What plan to tell them to use? Plan? No don't worry about a plan or anything bob is dead after all we just won.'
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Altpor
My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children.
This is true. Alot of anime has that cutesy big eye oriental thing going on with the silly plot if there even is a plot to be silly. But then again those were made for children so it makes sense. Well up until the point it gets an m rating for mature. There are some bloody good mature anime and non-anime made strictly for adults and no I don't mean wacking off to some hentai though that can be some hilarious stuff to watch for the lulz. Orientals seems to have this fixation on tentacles and young girls in school uniforms. 
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Altpor
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Altpor
My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children.
This is true. Alot of anime has that cutesy big eye oriental thing going on with the silly plot if there even is a plot to be silly. But then again those were made for children so it makes sense. Well up until the point it gets an m rating for mature. There are some bloody good mature anime and non-anime made strictly for adults and no I don't mean wacking off to some hentai though that can be some hilarious stuff to watch for the lulz. Orientals seems to have this fixation on tentacles and young girls in school uniforms.
No bro all anime sucks
I like hot tea you like milk. Who is right?
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 03:19:00 -
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Damnit man I was hoping to lure him into letting me drop that one. Bastage.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Pristine Nippletub
I can't believe how many pathetic, brainless mutants keep trying to compare this to real life situations. In real life you can't meta-game ho. That is what makes a game fun. Goons struck a blow right into bob's sack (small problem). The fact that it may not entirely kill what used to be bob doesn't change the fact that the whole situation is utterly hilarious. The idea that goons could have been more devastating is alright...if you are frothing at the mouth and have diarhea of the mind. Who knows if anything good would have happened if they had made a big plan. Ever think of the idea of other spies catching wind and them losing a director level spy? What the goons knew is that they could tear a second, slightly smaller a-hole into bob if they took quick action. Since they did take quick action we have another alliance with an oriental sounding name, and bob lost a bunch of stuff in production, as well as the assets that he took. If you can't sit back and laugh at this, then you are probably a bob fanboy, or just a hapless gorilla with nothing on your mind other than bananas.
-Pristine
I thought it was hilarious now just as I thought it was hilarious when it happened. Goons or Kenzuko who cares im kos to everyone in 0.0 so I have no sides to pick. Was it an embarresment to kenzuko for the goons of all entities to steal bobs name? Sure. Was it also an embarresment for the Goons to only take a couple of rolls of quarters and the useless deed to a gold mine they still can't reach when they robbed the bank using a corrupt bank manager when they had the golden opportunity to not only rob this one bank blind but to own all the banks in every town across bob land. That sir is the epic epic /fail on the part of the goons leadership. On a side note I will hope that if any of your corp mates happen to recognise your forum alt they will take you out of any planning sessions and contingency plan think tanks with the stuff you just spouted in that short paragraph. 
p.s. Thanks for the snipe.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen
As long as we're doing silly analogies, how about this one?
The Goons are well-known to be the Vandals and Visigoths of EVE, and they basically had two options:
(1) Use the spy they had in the Senate of Rome to find out where the legions were being deployed until the spy got discovered and crucified.
(2) Blow up the Senate, dissolve the Roman Empire in one stroke, and hand the land back to the Etruscans.
Which plan contains more win for a Vandal?
I'm astonished that some people think GS should have gone for the long-term small advantage, especially since I would expect them to have other spies at various levels of the hierarchy to provide tactical intel.
My next big question is this: did they really come away with only 9 billion as shown in the screenshot of the BNC wallet, or did they find a way to loot the trillion reported in the outside news?
Your are missing the whole point. Not only did the goons **** away any long term plans they totally goofed the immediate short term plans too. It was like they completely forgot that there is a war to knock bob out of Delve and just went for the comedy name grab. My god even a simpleton would have at least organized his forces for a quick coordinated strike timed to the alliance sov drop and not the now obvious after the fact decision of the goons leadership of 'oh yeah I guess we need to actually go to delve now and pew pew the take the territory. Ah well no worries we have seven days so no big hurry.' then they go back to prancing in CAOD.
Whoops!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Illiya
Oh my god you people are absolute morons. This is why no one in 0.0 likes you, because none of you have the slightest clue about game mechanics.
Corps cannot claim sov, but the towers are still there, claiming sov as long as they have been anchored (with sov claim ticked) for 7 days. No alliance means no sov. When the corps join a new alliance, towers immediately claim sov since they have still been anchored for 7 days. So next day, all systems are Sov 1.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Illiya
And actually, official CCP documentation is actually wrong about sov claims, as we have found out.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 08/02/2009 11:06:21
Originally by: Illiya
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Illiya
And actually, official CCP documentation is actually wrong about sov claims, as we have found out.
It's true! Even Kenzoku and such will confirm ^_^
e: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
I know. I remember way back when I first started playing and thinking the ship decriptions actually meant something. The dissapointment when I figured out the Maller was indeed not the toughest cruiser in the galaxy when its getting shot at by 9 battleships at a low sec gatecamp was intense. CCP lied to me damn them.  Of course I know better nowadays and never trust what I read until I test it out first.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:08:00 -
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Heh..
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