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But Sects	Posted - 2009.02.06 17:53:00 - [1] Let's put all drama beside us for a moment, to answer an honest question. How is it the KenZoku Alliance (where most of former BOB corps have moved to) has taken sovereignty in Delve, in just one day? From the Knowledgebase Article: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal." Source So how does KenZoku have sov after one day?
Jimmy Roan	Posted - 2009.02.06 17:55:00 - [2] Edited by: Jimmy Roan on 06/02/2009 17:55:14 KB is wrong I guess.. In game chats yesterday people from all sorts of corps/alliances were saying the sov ticker kicks in instantly if you change alliance to that new alliance. *spelling
Regarun	Posted - 2009.02.06 17:57:00 - [3] I remeber sometime ago that XxDeathxX or whatever their name is lost all of their sov because they failed to pay their bill or something and they got it back the next day after they had remade the alliance. ----------- Yes, I are made of alt.
Ydyp Ieva Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:03:00 - [4] Well the KB speaks about leaving, not sure if being kicked is considered leaving. And the old alliance went boom. So could be even that influences it. So could be that KB is wrong, or just not complete enough.
Graisse	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:04:00 - [5] Well I was also surprised. I thought it was going to take 5-7 days to recover sov. I don't really know how that happens, and I don't even think CCP knows all the nut and bolts of POS ****fare. I thought myself that because the towers where never switched off, sov changed immediatelly (but this is not what the knowledge base says effectively).
CrabClaw McGraw	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:13:00 - [6] What does KenZoku mean?
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:14:00 - [7] Originally by: CrabClaw McGraw What does KenZoku mean? There was some discussion about this in CAOD last night. Literally it means family, although in its native lexicon it also means those who have a shared destiny, or something like that.
URUS FORGE Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:19:00 - [8] http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20090205.png well influence map still shows a big hole as of yesterday.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Divinity's Edge	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: CrabClaw McGraw What does KenZoku mean? There was some discussion about this in CAOD last night. Literally it means family, although in its native lexicon it also means those who have a shared destiny, or something like that. They got it off of some ****ty anime.
Graisse	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:21:00 - [10] Edited by: Graisse on 06/02/2009 18:21:16 Originally by: URUS FORGE http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20090205.png well influence map still shows a big hole as of yesterday. Today's map is another one: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20090206.png

De Guantanamo	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:21:00 - [11] Originally by: URUS FORGE http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20090205.png well influence map still shows a big hole as of yesterday. Try actually logging in to the game R-tard. Map sovereignty shows Kenzoku has taken most of Delve. Influence map takes a bit longer to update.
URUS FORGE Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:23:00 - [12] You make that up? or did ccp give ya the bpo?
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:26:00 - [13] Edited by: Farrellus Cameron on 06/02/2009 18:26:22 The knowledgebase is wrong. This has happened before. One notable example is Red Alliance and AAA. When major corps in RA left, they lost sov in the many outposts and systems, including a couple in the RIT cluster in Feythabolis. The day after losing sov there, AAA gained sov in those systems because the corps had joined AAA. You can see how it changed from 8/18/2008: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20080818.png To 8/19/2008: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20080819.png One more mechanic CCP needs to fix. Doncha just love how CCP won't even acknowledge something is broken until there is a catastrophe?
Ooyama Caldari Rastana CMP Motivated and Determined	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:27:00 - [14] hmmm,, might just be me,, but that there loks a TAD fishy . "Yama"
URUS FORGE Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Edited by: Farrellus Cameron on 06/02/2009 18:26:22 The knowledgebase is wrong. This has happened before. One notable example is Red Alliance and AAA. When major corps in RA left, they lost sov in the many outposts and systems, including a couple in the RIT cluster in Feythabolis. The day after losing sov there, AAA gained sov in those systems because the corps had joined AAA. You can see how it changed from 8/18/2008: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20080818.png To 8/19/2008: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20080819.png One more mechanic CCP needs to fix. Doncha just love how CCP won't even acknowledge something is broken until there is a catastrophe? CCP: what POS exploit? where? Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
Jimmy Roan	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Ooyama hmmm,, might just be me,, but that there loks a TAD fishy . "Yama" Well it is just you.. Besides was some goonies saying that's what happens in the EvE-Radio channel last night after one of the DJ's reported a BOB spokesman saying that they'd have sov again tomorrow.
UfoRIAA	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:31:00 - [17] Its simply really. The pos's have been anchored with non-contested sov, so when the alliance was recreated there was no need to re-calulate sov. The first dt after kenzoku towers were tagged w/ the new alliance name they automitcally get sov one. This isn't a bug or miscalculation, it's how it works. KenZoku means family just like the BoB symbol meant family/clan as well.
Ooyama Caldari Rastana CMP Motivated and Determined	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:40:00 - [18] Oki,, cool,, didn't know those sov-rules before,, good to know . "Yama".
Yarik Mendel Privateers	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:54:00 - [19] Edited by: Yarik Mendel on 06/02/2009 18:54:20 Originally by: UfoRIAA KenZoku means family just like the BoB symbol meant family/clan as well. Brothers might betray each other, but FAMILY, that's a whole another level right?
Jimmy Roan	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Yarik Mendel Brothers might betray each other, but FAMILY, that's a whole another level right? Well not really.. didn't you pay attention in fake history class?? (bible)

rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: CrabClaw McGraw What does KenZoku mean? There was some discussion about this in CAOD last night. Literally it means family, although in its native lexicon it also means those who have a shared destiny, or something like that. They got it off of some ****ty anime. it has to do with the fact that if something is japanese, then theres probably an anime about it. The name appears to be wordplay as far as I can tell.
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Strength in Numbers.	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:12:00 - [22] To my understanding, here is the mechanic for Sov. A tower must be up for 7 days before it can contribute to SOV. There is no proviso for tower ownership in this. If a non-aligned corp has a tower in a system for, say, a month... there will be no sov because you cannot claim sov at the corp level. HOWEVER... If that corp joins an alliance... and if that corp has a tower that has been anchored for more than 7 days... that tower will begin to factor into Sov calculations the following downtime. Now, if that system were unclaimed (no sov), then that one tower would stake a claim and start the system at Sov 1. While BOB may be no more, their towers have been anchored for well over the 7 day minimum. They created the new alliance, brought in all the old members, and now those same towers will begin to exert sov on behalf of the new alliance. Yes... the sov ticker will start at Sov 1... but that is at least 6 days ahead of any Sov claim a hostile tower could begin to exert. New-BoB will probably not have to retake stations/outposts even, if they have brought the station owning corps into the fold of the new alliance. While this move has put BoB (now "new bob"... or "nova-bob") back on their heels, its not a "fait acomplis" that they are losing Delve. Now the POS spamming begins. Have fun with that... Now Recruiting. Join "Neogen" channel for details
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Ydyp Ieva So could be that KB is wrong, or just not complete enough. Really! You mean there are defects in CCP's documentation.
Kinomoto Sakura FW Scuad Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:23:00 - [24] Edited by: Kinomoto Sakura on 06/02/2009 19:23:23 Originally by: But Sects Let's put all drama beside us for a moment, to answer an honest question. How is it the KenZoku Alliance (where most of former BOB corps have moved to) has taken sovereignty in Delve, in just one day? From the Knowledgebase Article: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal." Source So how does KenZoku have sov after one day? That is dumb, KenZoku is a "new" alliance, their POS should only be able to claim SOV after the 7 days. edit: spelling
Eabha Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:23:00 - [25] Quote: They created the new alliance, brought in all the old members, and now those same towers will begin to exert sov on behalf of the new alliance. Not quite new nor recreated since KenZoku ( or I'm a blind BoB fan girl) was founded 2008-12-08?
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Eabha Quote: They created the new alliance, brought in all the old members, and now those same towers will begin to exert sov on behalf of the new alliance. Not quite new nor recreated since KenZoku ( or I'm a blind BoB fan girl) was founded 2008-12-08? conspiracy!!1 Bob did this on purpose so they could be renamed to ken!
Prototype X54C	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:32:00 - [27] This is going to be funny. Bet 50 Isk that Delve will be 100% Kenzoku controlled in a few weeks, with the only difference being the name of the alliance controlling it. Goons fail at everything.
De Guantanamo	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:39:00 - [28] Originally by: Prototype X54C This is going to be funny. Bet 50 Isk that Delve will be 100% Kenzoku controlled in a few weeks, with the only difference being the name of the alliance controlling it. Goons fail at everything. hows 500 million isk sound?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon truth Tbh the leadership of the Goons dropped the ball big time on this one. If they had a director level defector why in the name of all that is holy and logical did they not farm him for information and then use his trusted position to undermine the already shakey conditions in the bob alliance due to all the infighting even further. With time and just the slightest bit of effort the Goons could have found out about all the backup plans and with a bit of patience could have pre-positioned all its assets for a huge push right near downtime timed right to the second that bob was disbanded. Cyno alts that were planted in the cyno jammed systems could online and hotdrop a massive invasion force organized for a long siege filled with cap ships and towers and all manner of things to stake a claim right in the middle of Delve. These attacks would be against lightly defended key systems reducing them to rubble in a flash by using inside information that would have been provided by long planning and subterfuge on the dicrectors part. God knows how many other humiliating details could have been hashed out for an utter and devastating offensive to scatter bob to the four corners of empire and plant the goon flag firmly and forever in Delve. However the goon leadership settled for a nice picture frame with a BoB ceritficate in it and a cheesy mp3 instead. Are there words in any language that can even begin to describe the what level of /fail that is? I sure as hell can't find them and I gotz all sorts of lovely descriptive words in my head.
Kuar Z'thain Destructive Influence KenZoku	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:56:00 - [30] Originally by: De Guantanamo Originally by: Prototype X54C This is going to be funny. Bet 50 Isk that Delve will be 100% Kenzoku controlled in a few weeks, with the only difference being the name of the alliance controlling it. Goons fail at everything. hows 500 million isk sound? I'll take a piece of that. Shall we use Chribba?



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