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Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.07 05:11:00 - [61] Originally by: Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon truth Tbh the leadership of the Goons dropped the ball big time on this one. If they had a director level defector why in the name of all that is holy and logical did they not farm him for information and then use his trusted position to undermine the already shakey conditions in the bob alliance due to all the infighting even further. With time and just the slightest bit of effort the Goons could have found out about all the backup plans and with a bit of patience could have pre-positioned all its assets for a huge push right near downtime timed right to the second that bob was disbanded. Cyno alts that were planted in the cyno jammed systems could online and hotdrop a massive invasion force organized for a long siege filled with cap ships and towers and all manner of things to stake a claim right in the middle of Delve. These attacks would be against lightly defended key systems reducing them to rubble in a flash by using inside information that would have been provided by long planning and subterfuge on the dicrectors part. God knows how many other humiliating details could have been hashed out for an utter and devastating offensive to scatter bob to the four corners of empire and plant the goon flag firmly and forever in Delve. However the goon leadership settled for a nice picture frame with a BoB ceritficate in it and a cheesy mp3 instead. Are there words in any language that can even begin to describe the what level of /fail that is? I sure as hell can't find them and I gotz all sorts of lovely descriptive words in my head. Why yes there is. Obama, liberalism, democrats, bail out, mortgage industry, BoB. Shall I keep going on with descriptions of fail? Lol! I see the slow painful burn of realization has finally sank into the pit of the quicker witted goonies stomachs and the confused misdirected emorage is strong. How does it feel after the suger rush of 'nyah nyah we got yer name bob lolololol you are no more!' has wore off leaving only the bitter aftertaste of things that could have been if only the goons leadership hadn't tried to chew the whole pack of gum in one gulp leaving none for later. Evil wicked embarrasing plot upon evil wicked embarasing plot upon even eviler wickeder hide yor face forevah plots all wasted on a single ill thought out grab for a useless title, some pocket change and a childish mp3 leaving all its lands and its defenders scott free to regroup at will and stop you in your tracks. Delve could have been yours Goonswarm. Always remember that every time you log off and every time you lose yet another operation to take Delve. It litteraly could have been all yours for the price of a bit of patience and forethought to take full advantage of having a TRAITOROUS DIRECTOR OF BOB in your ranks. Now all of that is impossible and you will have to rely on all the same old tricks to take Delve that have never before and never will work. Well I guess I will count this as a 'HIT! I just sank your Leadership!' vs the goonies. Enjoy watching KenZoku sov inevitably climb its way back up to four. Night goonies and I hope you have sweet pleasent dreams of what could have been..
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.07 05:25:00 - [62] Edited by: bff Jill on 07/02/2009 05:25:24 I think bob should have picked a much more arrogant and pretentious name for themselves since they had this chance to reform under a new alliance name. Its silly and a joke when a bunch of nublars pick a powerful name for their alliance/corp/whatever. But bob could have pulled it off and we could have had a truly awe inspiring superpower to complain about instead of just some guy. Also i don't recall zeba being so terrifying before
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.07 05:34:00 - [63] Originally by: bff Jill I think bob should have picked a much more arrogant and pretentious name for themselves since they had this chance to reform under a new alliance name. Its silly and a joke when a bunch of nublars pick a powerful name for their alliance/corp/whatever. But bob could have pulled it off and we could have had a truly awe inspiring superpower to complain about instead of just some guy. Yeah twas a bit of a letdown but they always had that oriental flavor going on with reikoku and such. Ahh well I'll still be kos regardless so to new bob. Quote: Also i don't recall zeba being so terrifying before Sorry. Its the corp name I picked at work so I gotta start living up to it now that m10 is so close. A bite steel in half attitude might come in handy in w-space.
Miss Cenuij	Posted - 2009.02.07 05:37:00 - [64] Originally by: Celestal Originally by: CrabClaw McGraw What does KenZoku mean? It sounds suspiciously like some kind of japanese mantrain ? LoL , now thats funny , say it out loud.
panterus29 Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.07 05:41:00 - [65] Edited by: panterus29 on 07/02/2009 05:47:09 "(Originally by: Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeontruth Tbh the leadership of the Goons dropped the ball big time on this one. If they had a director level defector why in the name of all that is holy and logical did they not farm him for information and then use his trusted position to undermine the already shakey conditions in the bob alliance due to all the infighting even further. With time and just the slightest bit of effort the Goons could have found out about all the backup plans and with a bit of patience could have pre-positioned all its assets for a huge push right near downtime timed right to the second that bob was disbanded. Cyno alts that were planted in the cyno jammed systems could online and hotdrop a massive invasion force organized for a long siege filled with cap ships and towers and all manner of things to stake a claim right in the middle of Delve. These attacks would be against lightly defended key systems reducing them to rubble in a flash by using inside information that would have been provided by long planning and subterfuge on the dicrectors part. God knows how many other humiliating details could have been hashed out for an utter and devastating offensive to scatter bob to the four corners of empire and plant the goon flag firmly and forever in Delve. However the goon leadership settled for a nice picture frame with a BoB ceritficate in it and a cheesy mp3 instead. Are there words in any language that can even begin to describe the what level of /fail that is? I sure as hell can't find them and I gotz all sorts of lovely descriptive words in my head. Shocked Why yes there is. Obama, liberalism, democrats, bail out, mortgage industry, BoB. Shall I keep going on with descriptions of fail? Lol! I see the slow painful burn of realization has finally sank into the pit of the quicker witted goonies stomachs and the confused misdirected emorage is strong. How does it feel after the suger rush of 'nyah nyah we got yer name bob lolololol you are no more!' has wore off leaving only the bitter aftertaste of things that could have been if only the goons leadership hadn't tried to chew the whole pack of gum in one gulp leaving none for later. Evil wicked embarrasing plot upon evil wicked embarasing plot upon even eviler wickeder hide yor face forevah plots all wasted on a single ill thought out grab for a useless title, some pocket change and a childish mp3 leaving all its lands and its defenders scott free to regroup at will and stop you in your tracks. Delve could have been yours Goonswarm. Always remember that every time you log off and every time you lose yet another operation to take Delve. It litteraly could have been all yours for the price of a bit of patience and forethought to take full advantage of having a TRAITOROUS DIRECTOR OF BOB in your ranks. Now all of that is impossible and you will have to rely on all the same old tricks to take Delve that have never before and never will work. Well I guess I will count this as a 'HIT! I just sank your Leadership!' vs the goonies. Enjoy watching KenZoku sov inevitably climb its way back up to four. Night goonies and I hope you have sweet pleasent dreams of what could have been..Laughing)" did you consider by chance that the traitorous BoB director may have already been on shaky ground since he created an alt to try and get in to Goonswarm so he could defect in the first place the smash and grab technique was just outdone in a major way they did more to BoB than anyone else has ever done to an alliance over night i think they are very happy with that actually i would be if i was Mittani or one of the other guys even if i saw potential for better next time around :) edit: wrong quote at first and some bad spelling
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.07 05:53:00 - [66] Originally by: panterus29 did you consider by chance that the traitorous BoB director may have already been on shacky ground since he created an alt to try and get in to Goonswarm so he could defect in the first place the smash and grab technique was just outdone in a major way they did more to BoB than anyone else has ever done to an alliance over night i think they are very happy with that actually i would be if i was Mittani or one of the other guys even if i saw potential for bettr next time around :) Let me spin a little parable about how unbelievably badly this was done. Imagine its the height of the cold war and somehow the ruskies got one of Reagans closest advisers to defect. This guy has access to everything and I mean everything that would be needed for russia to launch a devastating unbeatable strike against which the united states would have had absolutely no defense. However.. Instead they tell him to bring the original copy of the constitution and declaration of independance plus whatever silver is in the drawers. Once in russia they make a video tape of the politburo tearing up the documents and claiming america is finally dead we have destroyed them once and for all as they dance and cavort on top of the big table giggling and taking shots of vodka. Do you understand the utter inexcusable waste of potential that just happened now?
panterus31	Posted - 2009.02.07 06:10:00 - [67] Edited by: panterus31 on 07/02/2009 06:11:38 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: panterus29 did you consider by chance that the traitorous BoB director may have already been on shacky ground since he created an alt to try and get in to Goonswarm so he could defect in the first place the smash and grab technique was just outdone in a major way they did more to BoB than anyone else has ever done to an alliance over night i think they are very happy with that actually i would be if i was Mittani or one of the other guys even if i saw potential for bettr next time around :) Let me spin a little parable about how unbelievably badly this was done. Imagine its the height of the cold war and somehow the ruskies got one of Reagans closest advisers to defect. This guy has access to everything and I mean everything that would be needed for russia to launch a devastating unbeatable strike against which the united states would have had absolutely no defense. However.. Instead they tell him to bring the original copy of the constitution and declaration of independance plus whatever silver is in the drawers. Once in russia they make a video tape of the politburo tearing up the documents and claiming america is finally dead we have destroyed them once and for all as they dance and cavort on top of the big table giggling and taking shots of vodka. Do you understand the utter inexcusable waste of potential that just happened now? but in this case the director didnt if you have been listening you may have heard he was alienated by the alliance and was losing his power within it, he still had access to many thing and turned it all over to the Goons. if you ask me he did the most that he could and the Goons stretched as far as they could in the limited hours they had before d/t. my father worked in the intelligence field aiding the CIA during the cold war cold war and most of what happened during that period makes what the Goonswarm did look like the height of espionage to tell you the truth. I think if they thought they had a shot at using him for long term undercover ops they would have used the opportunity but they actually said on the radio that this seemed very unlikely and has failed for most people in the past so they did what could be done in 4 1/2 hrs and removed the name BoB from the sov map and stole a good deal of ISK and capitol ships while they were at it also did their best to alienate one corp from another even if only for a limited time. If the truth be known there are no operations in the cold war that were that successful in that short of a period of time.(of course considering game mechanics are not as intense as what one might face if they found themselves in a government office in russia and decided to defect from there and take what they could, sry the game is not that real yet) edit: wrong faceand bad spelling and grammar sry
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.07 06:41:00 - [68] Originally by: panterus31 Fair enough on the long term plans though I still think with proper coaching the traitor could have improved his attitude towards bob and gotten back in good graces for ruinous effect. Say the goons set up some conveneint small victorys for him to claim against them to regain his power and bobs trust or any other number of ways an intelligent man on the inside could wiggle back into good grace. But eh those opportunitys are all past history now so lets focus on what did happen. Ok, lets me tell you what I thought was happening at the time. I knew someone had defected and killed the alliance so all the sov would dissapear and vastly improve the chances to make a successful smash and grab invasion that would have a really good possibility of holding some territory. I imagined that the goons probably had this guy for at least a few days or weeks and was pumping him for all the tactical and strategic knowledge he had as a well thought out contingency plan worked out long in advance was being put into rapid motion to take advantage of the one shot no sov opportunity. Once all the assets had been placed and were ready to go the traitor would kill the alliance as the prepositioned goon forces poured into a completely off guard and in moast cases undefended Delve. Much sporadic fighting would happen as the word slowly spread among bobs member though tbh by that time it would have been far too late. Massive hit to bob and now the Goons have a big chunk of it with the rest only a matter of time. But this is what happened. They flushed out a bob spy who was really a defector and as they plotted to spraypaint bob is dead all over the forums and make an mp3 to rub it in he killed the alliance and did the gtfo routine. Chaos reigns and people slowly realize 'hey maybe we should like you know go try to take some of that territory? ya know?'. The leadership pauses in its prancing and goes 'oh yeah forgot about that part we were too busy stealing bob name. Well put out a standard goon op flash in corp mail and tell them to just blob anything that moves in Delve. What plan to tell them to use? Plan? No don't worry about a plan or anything bob is dead after all we just won.' inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2009.02.07 07:41:00 - [69] The KB is not correct, hasn't been for years on this and it was pointed out in various discussions after BoB disbanded and KenZoku formed in COAD (well you might argue it was arguments not discussions but it is how it works.) Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.07 08:49:00 - [70] Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon To my understanding, here is the mechanic for Sov. A tower must be up for 7 days before it can contribute to SOV. There is no proviso for tower ownership in this. If a non-aligned corp has a tower in a system for, say, a month... there will be no sov because you cannot claim sov at the corp level. HOWEVER... If that corp joins an alliance... and if that corp has a tower that has been anchored for more than 7 days... that tower will begin to factor into Sov calculations the following downtime. Now, if that system were unclaimed (no sov), then that one tower would stake a claim and start the system at Sov 1. While BOB may be no more, their towers have been anchored for well over the 7 day minimum. They created the new alliance, brought in all the old members, and now those same towers will begin to exert sov on behalf of the new alliance. Yes... the sov ticker will start at Sov 1... but that is at least 6 days ahead of any Sov claim a hostile tower could begin to exert. New-BoB will probably not have to retake stations/outposts even, if they have brought the station owning corps into the fold of the new alliance. While this move has put BoB (now "new bob"... or "nova-bob") back on their heels, its not a "fait acomplis" that they are losing Delve. Now the POS spamming begins. Have fun with that... my questions are : the KB talk about a reset when a crop leave a alliance, when this reset happen ? and what actually means this reset ? . . . revitalize the solo/small gang pvp
Boma Airaken The Divine Comedy Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2009.02.07 08:55:00 - [71] The KB was last updated when you could put 2 MWD's and cruise launchers on a kestrel. Quit with the sensationalism already.
Flex Carter Caldari Caldari Independant Mining Association	Posted - 2009.02.07 09:04:00 - [72] Originally by: panterus29 did you consider by chance that the traitorous BoB director may have already been on shaky ground since he created an alt to try and get in to Goonswarm so he could defect in the first place the smash and grab technique was just outdone in a major way they did more to BoB than anyone else has ever done to an alliance over night i think they are very happy with that actually i would be if i was Mittani or one of the other guys even if i saw potential for better next time around :) edit: wrong quote at first and some bad spelling Why is everyone giving props to Goonswarn, for this undertaking when as you posted, this was done by a traitorous member with directorship roles. He could've chose any number of capable NC Alliance to defect to but he contacted them and then hatched his plan. If anything, give mad kudos to him... So, I would say "He" did more to BoB than anyone else has ever done to an alliance over night... Much is said about all the other Corp-thefts that have come before him.
Wicked Mover Amarr The Scraelings	Posted - 2009.02.07 11:27:00 - [73] If the 400 capship theft number is correct, the goons had something legit to gloat about let alone everything else. This is going to be interesting. When BoB gets back on their feet (if they are not already) I think they may have a more focused strategy than of late - that is a complete focus on killing goons and letting the rest slide.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.02.07 11:56:00 - [74] Originally by: Wicked Mover If the 400 capship theft number is correct, the goons had something legit to gloat about let alone everything else. I know how Chinese whispers works and stuff, but 400 is a hell of a leap from the dozen or so dreads that were actually taken.
Vele Nori Amarr Dakinii	Posted - 2009.02.07 12:10:00 - [75] Originally by: Flex Carter Why is everyone giving props to Goonswarn, for this undertaking when as you posted, this was done by a traitorous member with directorship roles. He could've chose any number of capable NC Alliance to defect to but he contacted them and then hatched his plan. If anything, give mad kudos to him... So, I would say "He" did more to BoB than anyone else has ever done to an alliance over night... Much is said about all the other Corp-thefts that have come before him. he defected to goons, yes, but it was goons who then came up with the plan on how best to use the tools he has given them to dissolve BoB as alliance
Tyson Gallane Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.02.07 12:20:00 - [76] 5000 capships!!! T.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.02.07 12:22:00 - [77] Originally by: Tyson Gallane 5000 capships!!! T. OVER 9000!! Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Disteeler Segunda Fundacion Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.02.07 12:59:00 - [78] And they will reprocess them all and build kestrels!!!!
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.07 13:32:00 - [79] fofofofofofofo foiled again... am I doing this right? ~~~~ There is no parody in this thread. Honest.
Nephilius Caldari Grey Legionaires	Posted - 2009.02.07 14:52:00 - [80] Really, it just seems to me like there is a total lack of subtlety on both sides of that conflict. The ones who say that Goons could have done more are right...they could have with time. It makes me think of a conflict between Russia and China...both countries with massives amounts of manpower at their beck and call, but lacking any finesse short of throwing bodies at each other. My question is...if this turncoat was in such ill-standing with BoB, why in God's name would you send him to be a spy? Why not someone with good standing and a strong tie to BoB? Not knowing all the details, I can only speculate...maybe the agent started losing standing after he was in place. Or maybe he had a good game face on for BoB but was already a Goon by then. If the former stands, then maybe he should have lost roles within BoB to prevent such an occurence, if its the latter, well, then the Goon have egg on their face for not utilizing him more, as mentioned before. Or maybe the whole thing was a dog and pony show.
Pharago Piratas Leprosos Guineanos	Posted - 2009.02.07 16:50:00 - [81] in any case, all of this has been the biggest blow given to bob since the MC rebelion, all in a somewhat lucky shot, it will take them a few weeks to recover from it, if they do recover maybe this will steer their morale and wake the f*** up, maybe make them as bad ass as they were supossed to be maybe they just wanted to change the name and ticker of their alliance 500mil and a few dreads...i think that should be peanuts for them influence map now shows some holes into delve, some alliances have moved in and claimed a few systems, i dont think they could have done that on their own before the disband hat trick we will see what happens next, after all this is just a game
Altpor	Posted - 2009.02.08 02:43:00 - [82] My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.08 03:03:00 - [83] Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children. This is true. Alot of anime has that cutesy big eye oriental thing going on with the silly plot if there even is a plot to be silly. But then again those were made for children so it makes sense. Well up until the point it gets an m rating for mature. There are some bloody good mature anime and non-anime made strictly for adults and no I don't mean wacking off to some hentai though that can be some hilarious stuff to watch for the lulz. Orientals seems to have this fixation on tentacles and young girls in school uniforms. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Altpor	Posted - 2009.02.08 03:16:00 - [84] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children. This is true. Alot of anime has that cutesy big eye oriental thing going on with the silly plot if there even is a plot to be silly. But then again those were made for children so it makes sense. Well up until the point it gets an m rating for mature. There are some bloody good mature anime and non-anime made strictly for adults and no I don't mean wacking off to some hentai though that can be some hilarious stuff to watch for the lulz. Orientals seems to have this fixation on tentacles and young girls in school uniforms. No bro all anime sucks
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.08 03:17:00 - [85] Originally by: Altpor Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children. This is true. Alot of anime has that cutesy big eye oriental thing going on with the silly plot if there even is a plot to be silly. But then again those were made for children so it makes sense. Well up until the point it gets an m rating for mature. There are some bloody good mature anime and non-anime made strictly for adults and no I don't mean wacking off to some hentai though that can be some hilarious stuff to watch for the lulz. Orientals seems to have this fixation on tentacles and young girls in school uniforms. No bro all anime sucks I like hot tea you like milk. Who is right? inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Jimmy Roan	Posted - 2009.02.08 03:18:00 - [86] Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children. So are computer games nub
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.08 03:19:00 - [87] Damnit man I was hoping to lure him into letting me drop that one. Bastage. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Pristine Nippletub	Posted - 2009.02.08 03:41:00 - [88] I can't believe how many pathetic, brainless mutants keep trying to compare this to real life situations. In real life you can't meta-game ho. That is what makes a game fun. Goons struck a blow right into bob's sack (small problem). The fact that it may not entirely kill what used to be bob doesn't change the fact that the whole situation is utterly hilarious. The idea that goons could have been more devastating is alright...if you are frothing at the mouth and have diarhea of the mind. Who knows if anything good would have happened if they had made a big plan. Ever think of the idea of other spies catching wind and them losing a director level spy? What the goons knew is that they could tear a second, slightly smaller a-hole into bob if they took quick action. Since they did take quick action we have another alliance with an oriental sounding name, and bob lost a bunch of stuff in production, as well as the assets that he took. If you can't sit back and laugh at this, then you are probably a bob fanboy, or just a hapless gorilla with nothing on your mind other than bananas. -Pristine
Altpor	Posted - 2009.02.08 03:49:00 - [89] Originally by: Jimmy Roan Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children. So are computer games nub at least MY COMPUTER GAMES don't have overtones of pedophilia
Jimmy Roan	Posted - 2009.02.08 04:00:00 - [90] Originally by: Altpor Originally by: Jimmy Roan Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children. So are computer games nub at least MY COMPUTER GAMES don't have overtones of pedophilia So you're recommending programs with overtones of pedophilia to children????

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