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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Pristine Nippletub I can't believe how many pathetic, brainless mutants keep trying to compare this to real life situations. In real life you can't meta-game ho. That is what makes a game fun. Goons struck a blow right into bob's sack (small problem). The fact that it may not entirely kill what used to be bob doesn't change the fact that the whole situation is utterly hilarious. The idea that goons could have been more devastating is alright...if you are frothing at the mouth and have diarhea of the mind. Who knows if anything good would have happened if they had made a big plan. Ever think of the idea of other spies catching wind and them losing a director level spy? What the goons knew is that they could tear a second, slightly smaller a-hole into bob if they took quick action. Since they did take quick action we have another alliance with an oriental sounding name, and bob lost a bunch of stuff in production, as well as the assets that he took. If you can't sit back and laugh at this, then you are probably a bob fanboy, or just a hapless gorilla with nothing on your mind other than bananas.
-Pristine
I thought it was hilarious now just as I thought it was hilarious when it happened. Goons or Kenzuko who cares im kos to everyone in 0.0 so I have no sides to pick. Was it an embarresment to kenzuko for the goons of all entities to steal bobs name? Sure. Was it also an embarresment for the Goons to only take a couple of rolls of quarters and the useless deed to a gold mine they still can't reach when they robbed the bank using a corrupt bank manager when they had the golden opportunity to not only rob this one bank blind but to own all the banks in every town across bob land. That sir is the epic epic /fail on the part of the goons leadership. On a side note I will hope that if any of your corp mates happen to recognise your forum alt they will take you out of any planning sessions and contingency plan think tanks with the stuff you just spouted in that short paragraph.
p.s. Thanks for the snipe.
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Enkidu Uruksen
Wakizashi Renaissance
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Posted - 2009.02.08 05:03:00 -
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As long as we're doing silly analogies, how about this one?
The Goons are well-known to be the Vandals and Visigoths of EVE, and they basically had two options:
(1) Use the spy they had in the Senate of Rome to find out where the legions were being deployed until the spy got discovered and crucified.
(2) Blow up the Senate, dissolve the Roman Empire in one stroke, and hand the land back to the Etruscans.
Which plan contains more win for a Vandal?
I'm astonished that some people think GS should have gone for the long-term small advantage, especially since I would expect them to have other spies at various levels of the hierarchy to provide tactical intel.
My next big question is this: did they really come away with only 9 billion as shown in the screenshot of the BNC wallet, or did they find a way to loot the trillion reported in the outside news?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen As long as we're doing silly analogies, how about this one?
The Goons are well-known to be the Vandals and Visigoths of EVE, and they basically had two options:
(1) Use the spy they had in the Senate of Rome to find out where the legions were being deployed until the spy got discovered and crucified.
(2) Blow up the Senate, dissolve the Roman Empire in one stroke, and hand the land back to the Etruscans.
Which plan contains more win for a Vandal?
I'm astonished that some people think GS should have gone for the long-term small advantage, especially since I would expect them to have other spies at various levels of the hierarchy to provide tactical intel.
My next big question is this: did they really come away with only 9 billion as shown in the screenshot of the BNC wallet, or did they find a way to loot the trillion reported in the outside news?
Your are missing the whole point. Not only did the goons **** away any long term plans they totally goofed the immediate short term plans too. It was like they completely forgot that there is a war to knock bob out of Delve and just went for the comedy name grab. My god even a simpleton would have at least organized his forces for a quick coordinated strike timed to the alliance sov drop and not the now obvious after the fact decision of the goons leadership of 'oh yeah I guess we need to actually go to delve now and pew pew the take the territory. Ah well no worries we have seven days so no big hurry.' then they go back to prancing in CAOD.
Whoops!
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Sythyss
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2009.02.08 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Altpor
Originally by: Jimmy Roan
Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children.
So are computer games nub
at least MY COMPUTER GAMES don't have overtones of pedophilia
there are some computer games out there that have that. I guess ALL computer games are just rubbish now.... |
Altpor
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Posted - 2009.02.08 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sythyss
Originally by: Altpor
Originally by: Jimmy Roan
Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children.
So are computer games nub
at least MY COMPUTER GAMES don't have overtones of pedophilia
there are some computer games out there that have that. I guess ALL computer games are just rubbish now....
Name three games. It doesn't help that it's present in just about every single anime in existence. Sorry. |
RoCkEt X
Caldari The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2009.02.08 08:31:00 -
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idiots. Kenzoku already had POS's in the area, when the BOB ones dropped, there is now no competition, hence kenzoku immediately claim sov. yes thats right, the ex-bob corp POS's are currently not influencing sov at all. it is also entirely possible that bob themselves had kenzoku install the towers a long time ago, just incase something like this did actually happen.
does this not take credibility from the goonswarm story?
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2009.02.08 09:13:00 -
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heh...Goons spent 23 hours high-fiveing themselves on the forums rather than takeing advantage of what they did.
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Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.02.08 10:31:00 -
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Oh my god you people are absolute morons. This is why no one in 0.0 likes you, because none of you have the slightest clue about game mechanics.
Corps cannot claim sov, but the towers are still there, claiming sov as long as they have been anchored (with sov claim ticked) for 7 days. No alliance means no sov. When the corps join a new alliance, towers immediately claim sov since they have still been anchored for 7 days. So next day, all systems are Sov 1. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Illiya Oh my god you people are absolute morons. This is why no one in 0.0 likes you, because none of you have the slightest clue about game mechanics.
Corps cannot claim sov, but the towers are still there, claiming sov as long as they have been anchored (with sov claim ticked) for 7 days. No alliance means no sov. When the corps join a new alliance, towers immediately claim sov since they have still been anchored for 7 days. So next day, all systems are Sov 1.
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.02.08 10:54:00 -
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And actually, official CCP documentation is actually wrong about sov claims, as we have found out. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Illiya And actually, official CCP documentation is actually wrong about sov claims, as we have found out.
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Illiya And actually, official CCP documentation is actually wrong about sov claims, as we have found out.
It's true! Even Kenzoku and such will confirm ^_^
e: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 08/02/2009 11:06:21
Originally by: Illiya
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Illiya And actually, official CCP documentation is actually wrong about sov claims, as we have found out.
It's true! Even Kenzoku and such will confirm ^_^
e: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
I know. I remember way back when I first started playing and thinking the ship decriptions actually meant something. The dissapointment when I figured out the Maller was indeed not the toughest cruiser in the galaxy when its getting shot at by 9 battleships at a low sec gatecamp was intense. CCP lied to me damn them. Of course I know better nowadays and never trust what I read until I test it out first.
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:07:00 -
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ccp would actually do pretty well to simply import the goonfleet wiki as their manual, it's really good. but only so long as they keep all the humorous bits. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:08:00 -
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Heh..
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Xavier Zedicus
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:47:00 -
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because the sov claiming towers belong to the corps who promptly switched over to the new alliance |
tla s'hpyt
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Posted - 2009.02.08 12:40:00 -
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So suddenly a feature of eve that allows bob/kenny to survive (which has been used before by alliances and groups on all sides) becomes a bug/cheat now that bob are using it. What surprises me most is how many people believe the goon propaganda machine especially considering the fact that goons openly claim to using psychological warfare.
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Agrilad
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Posted - 2009.02.08 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: But Sects Let's put all drama beside us for a moment, to answer an honest question.
How is it the KenZoku Alliance (where most of former BOB corps have moved to) has taken sovereignty in Delve, in just one day?
From the Knowledgebase Article: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Source
So how does KenZoku have sov after one day?
My guess was that the POS's had sovereignty timers that weren't reset. so the moment they were part of alliance they just acted like they had been there long enough.
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Pristine Nippletub
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Pristine Nippletub on 09/02/2009 02:47:05
Originally by: Agrilad
Originally by: But Sects Let's put all drama beside us for a moment, to answer an honest question.
How is it the KenZoku Alliance (where most of former BOB corps have moved to) has taken sovereignty in Delve, in just one day?
From the Knowledgebase Article: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Source
So how does KenZoku have sov after one day?
My guess was that the POS's had sovereignty timers that weren't reset. so the moment they were part of alliance they just acted like they had been there long enough.
Sweet jesus. Do you smoke crack? How could you post on this topic without noticing that, that issue had already been adressed at least 300 times in the previous 4 pages of topic posts. Was that your whole post or did you actually have something useful to add? I mean jesus tap dancing christ riding a brontosaurus backwards, pay attention will you.
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Alty MacAlterson
Alt Corporation
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:47:00 -
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Since when has the knowledge base ever been right about anything? |
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.02.09 03:05:00 -
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devs didnt help bob.....
On sisi ive dropped a pos and claimed the sov in 1 day. Nothing special. |
Pristine Nippletub
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Posted - 2009.02.09 03:22:00 -
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No one is saying ccp is helping bob/kenz. They are just saying the database is wrong. This has happened before so I don't think that anyone was in anyway insinuating that as the case.
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Pharago
Gallente Piratas Leprosos Guineanos
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:53:00 -
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as far as i can tell CCP info does not define the case in which towers are already set up, it asumes that towers trying to claim sovereignity are still to be set up, hence the 7 days delay, it does not say anywhere what will happen if the towers were already in place, it is not that the KB is wrong, it is that it just does not have a reference to every posibility there is
kudos to KenZoku as the last influence map shows that they have already recovered most of their former space in just 3 days
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: But Sects Let's put all drama beside us for a moment, to answer an honest question.
How is it the KenZoku Alliance (where most of former BOB corps have moved to) has taken sovereignty in Delve, in just one day?
From the Knowledgebase Article: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Source
So how does KenZoku have sov after one day?
nice find sir i hope you reported this bug to CCP
You both fail at reading, scanning, or both.
I quote from the above link...
"A corporation leaving or joining an alliance while having towers online and capable of claiming sovereignty will affect the sovereignty claim on the system they are in.
1)A corporation leaving an alliance can cause sovereignty to be lost for that alliance. 2)A corporation joining an alliance will immediately start having its towers contribute to sovereignty for that alliance given the towers have the checkbox checked and have been online for a minimum of 7 days prior. 3)A corporation without an alliance can not contribute to sovereignty."
Slade
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GM Spiral
Game Masters
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:25:00 -
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Hello everybody.
You should have our apologies for not replying to this sooner. We wanted to double check on things before we put anything out regarding this. The results of our investigation into this claim is as follows.
Investigation into this has not revealed any foul play, exploits or other unintended issues affecting the sovereign status of the alliance KenZoku. The allianceÆs current sovereign status is the result of current and intended game mechanics.
Why is the article in blatant contrast with what happened?
The article was revised in early December 2008. Due to some unfortunate misunderstanding during this process the paragraph which has been quoted here was added to the article when it should not have. The article has now been reviewed again and this inconsistency removed and further clarification on this mechanic added.
You can find the updated article in our knowledge base here
This affects the alliance KenZoku in such a manner that in any systems which their member corporations have control towers where they were previously contributing to Band of Brother sovereignty, the towers now contribute to KenZoku sovereignty. They start claiming at sovereignty level 1 and have to hold out the timers as described in the article. All previous sovereignty levels attributed to Band of Brothers is permanently lost.
All in all, this is derived from a mistake in the review of a knowledge base article. As a side note we do welcome all and any pointers regarding errors or mistakes made in our knowledge base articles.
If there are still any concerns regarding this then please by all means ask.
Best regards, Senior GM Spiral EVE Online Customer Support Team
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
You both fail at reading, scanning, or both.
Or maybe, just maybe, did the Knowledge Database article just get updated. |
Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
You both fail at reading, scanning, or both.
Or maybe, just maybe, did the Knowledge Database article just get updated.
Actually the link provided by the GM just above has the exact same text I quoted
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:03:00 -
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so here is a recap of the fight. it doesn't matter which is which, the fail in eve end game atm is strong. Destroy all that which is evil, so that which is good may flourish. |
Agrilad
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Pristine Nippletub Edited by: Pristine Nippletub on 09/02/2009 02:47:05
Originally by: Agrilad
Originally by: But Sects Let's put all drama beside us for a moment, to answer an honest question.
How is it the KenZoku Alliance (where most of former BOB corps have moved to) has taken sovereignty in Delve, in just one day?
From the Knowledgebase Article: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Source
So how does KenZoku have sov after one day?
My guess was that the POS's had sovereignty timers that weren't reset. so the moment they were part of alliance they just acted like they had been there long enough.
Sweet jesus. Do you smoke crack? How could you post on this topic without noticing that, that issue had already been adressed at least 300 times in the previous 4 pages of topic posts. Was that your whole post or did you actually have something useful to add? I mean jesus tap dancing christ riding a brontosaurus backwards, pay attention will you.
Thanks for the sweet criticism. That an attempt to provide an idea is such a bad idea. /Sarcasm off
Instead of spewing forth toxic sludge. How about you just say. "We've already discussed that, thanks." |
StickyFingerz
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:17:00 -
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anyone would think that other folks have not benafited from EXACTLY the same issue, no no, its BoB lets kick up a stink! :|
/YAWN/
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