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Captain Thunderpants
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Posted - 2004.08.03 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Thunderpants on 03/08/2004 22:06:03
Is scrap metal processing bugged or do i just need to train it to an absurdly high level.
I have perfect refine at a 50% station and scrap metal at level 3 but i still get just 1 wastage on all minerals.
edit. I just tried omber and got 1 wastage with skill to level 3 but spodumain at level 1 gave no wastage.
Any answers from a GM would be nice
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Captain Thunderpants
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Posted - 2004.08.03 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Thunderpants on 03/08/2004 22:06:03
Is scrap metal processing bugged or do i just need to train it to an absurdly high level.
I have perfect refine at a 50% station and scrap metal at level 3 but i still get just 1 wastage on all minerals.
edit. I just tried omber and got 1 wastage with skill to level 3 but spodumain at level 1 gave no wastage.
Any answers from a GM would be nice
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2004.08.03 22:19:00 -
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You need good standing with the corp who owns the refinery too, for some reason.
My life in pictures:
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2004.08.03 22:19:00 -
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You need good standing with the corp who owns the refinery too, for some reason.
My life in pictures:
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Fubar
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Posted - 2004.08.03 23:23:00 -
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The unrecoverable column for some reason takes 1 away from the WE TAKE column when the WE TAKE column has any value above zero.
When you have a personal standing of 6.7+ (the stations take is zero) the unrecoverable column will be zero and you will receive 100% of the minerals from the recyle/refine.
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Fubar
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Posted - 2004.08.03 23:23:00 -
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The unrecoverable column for some reason takes 1 away from the WE TAKE column when the WE TAKE column has any value above zero.
When you have a personal standing of 6.7+ (the stations take is zero) the unrecoverable column will be zero and you will receive 100% of the minerals from the recyle/refine.
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Sash
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Posted - 2004.08.04 01:40:00 -
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I also think it's bugged.
I hope they'll fixit. I've spent too weeks on training the two required refining skills to V ... for the last two weeks.
I've submitted a bug with a screen shots that shows all my skills and the refining process.
Sash
Sash
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Sash
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Posted - 2004.08.04 01:40:00 -
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I also think it's bugged.
I hope they'll fixit. I've spent too weeks on training the two required refining skills to V ... for the last two weeks.
I've submitted a bug with a screen shots that shows all my skills and the refining process.
Sash
Sash
VoxCel Corp |
Ryco
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Posted - 2004.08.04 04:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Sash
I also think it's bugged.
I hope they'll fixit. I've spent too weeks on training the two required refining skills to V ... for the last two weeks.
I've submitted a bug with a screen shots that shows all my skills and the refining process.
Sash
Its not a bug. Just like any other reprocessing a station takes a percentage. As posted already, get your rating to above 6.6 with a station to get everything back.
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Ryco
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Posted - 2004.08.04 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sash
I also think it's bugged.
I hope they'll fixit. I've spent too weeks on training the two required refining skills to V ... for the last two weeks.
I've submitted a bug with a screen shots that shows all my skills and the refining process.
Sash
Its not a bug. Just like any other reprocessing a station takes a percentage. As posted already, get your rating to above 6.6 with a station to get everything back.
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Captain Thunderpants
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Posted - 2004.08.04 07:58:00 -
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Im not talking about the stations take. As per my first post on spodumain there was no wastage, but on other ores and scrap metal with higher skills there is. Its the wastage thats at 1 for every mineral. The idea of scrap metal processing is to get that last zyd and mega. Its useless if you cant and a waste of 1 month training for me.
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Captain Thunderpants
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Posted - 2004.08.04 07:58:00 -
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Im not talking about the stations take. As per my first post on spodumain there was no wastage, but on other ores and scrap metal with higher skills there is. Its the wastage thats at 1 for every mineral. The idea of scrap metal processing is to get that last zyd and mega. Its useless if you cant and a waste of 1 month training for me.
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RaTTuS
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Posted - 2004.08.04 10:21:00 -
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with all the corps I have standing at 6.7 or better then ) get 0 taken and 0 wastage [with RE5 and specialed skills at level 1 or better]
so something must be wrong somewhere
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RaTTuS
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Posted - 2004.08.04 10:21:00 -
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with all the corps I have standing at 6.7 or better then ) get 0 taken and 0 wastage [with RE5 and specialed skills at level 1 or better]
so something must be wrong somewhere
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Ambitio
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Posted - 2004.08.04 12:53:00 -
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A question about scrapmetal processing:
Under atributes on the scrapmetal processing skill it says Minmatartechmutator -5.
What does that mean?
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Ambitio
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Posted - 2004.08.04 12:53:00 -
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A question about scrapmetal processing:
Under atributes on the scrapmetal processing skill it says Minmatartechmutator -5.
What does that mean?
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Fubar
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Posted - 2004.08.04 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Thunderpants
Im not talking about the stations take. As per my first post on spodumain there was no wastage, but on other ores and scrap metal with higher skills there is. Its the wastage thats at 1 for every mineral. The idea of scrap metal processing is to get that last zyd and mega. Its useless if you cant and a waste of 1 month training for me.
What is your standing with the Corp who owns the station?
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Fubar
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Posted - 2004.08.04 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Thunderpants
Im not talking about the stations take. As per my first post on spodumain there was no wastage, but on other ores and scrap metal with higher skills there is. Its the wastage thats at 1 for every mineral. The idea of scrap metal processing is to get that last zyd and mega. Its useless if you cant and a waste of 1 month training for me.
What is your standing with the Corp who owns the station?
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Tar om
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Posted - 2004.08.04 16:14:00 -
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I get the same thing. There are unrecoverable minerals (1 per mineral). I understand that my standing towards the corp that owns the station affects the "We Take" column - but surely the point of scrapmetal processing is that the refine itself is perfect. There should be no unrecoverable minerals!
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Tar om
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Posted - 2004.08.04 16:14:00 -
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I get the same thing. There are unrecoverable minerals (1 per mineral). I understand that my standing towards the corp that owns the station affects the "We Take" column - but surely the point of scrapmetal processing is that the refine itself is perfect. There should be no unrecoverable minerals!
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We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net
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Fubar
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Posted - 2004.08.04 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tar om
I get the same thing. There are unrecoverable minerals (1 per mineral). I understand that my standing towards the corp that owns the station affects the "We Take" column - but surely the point of scrapmetal processing is that the refine itself is perfect. There should be no unrecoverable minerals!
Let me see if I can explain this properly....
The "You Receive" mineral amounts are calculated properly when you have a 100% net station yield (ie. when the station equipment is 50% and you skills bump the yield up to 100%). For some reason the unrecoverable column has to a minimum value of 1 when the "We Take" column has any value above zero.
Do the math and test for yourself....
Add the 3 columns together, then multiply that by 1 - the stations take percentage (make sure you use all of the digits), and truncate that number - which should equal the "You Receive" column.
If that doesn't work post a link to a screenshot so we can see the error.
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Fubar
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Posted - 2004.08.04 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tar om
I get the same thing. There are unrecoverable minerals (1 per mineral). I understand that my standing towards the corp that owns the station affects the "We Take" column - but surely the point of scrapmetal processing is that the refine itself is perfect. There should be no unrecoverable minerals!
Let me see if I can explain this properly....
The "You Receive" mineral amounts are calculated properly when you have a 100% net station yield (ie. when the station equipment is 50% and you skills bump the yield up to 100%). For some reason the unrecoverable column has to a minimum value of 1 when the "We Take" column has any value above zero.
Do the math and test for yourself....
Add the 3 columns together, then multiply that by 1 - the stations take percentage (make sure you use all of the digits), and truncate that number - which should equal the "You Receive" column.
If that doesn't work post a link to a screenshot so we can see the error.
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Captain Thunderpants
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Posted - 2004.08.04 21:16:00 -
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Then why in a test refine did i get.
iso 1719 90 1
mega 17 0 1
zyd 95 5 0
on the mega there is a no we take so wastage should be 0 as well and on zyd they take 5 so wastage should be 1.
And as stated earlier 1 have spod skill to level 1 and that gives perfect unrecoverable but omber at level 3 gives 1 wastage. Same station on all of these refines.
There muust be a bug in the equations used in game.
We dont want to sink time into refining skills to get that last precious mineral to de duped by CCP.
Sorry i cant do a screenie no acces to webspace at the mo.
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Captain Thunderpants
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Posted - 2004.08.04 21:16:00 -
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Then why in a test refine did i get.
iso 1719 90 1
mega 17 0 1
zyd 95 5 0
on the mega there is a no we take so wastage should be 0 as well and on zyd they take 5 so wastage should be 1.
And as stated earlier 1 have spod skill to level 1 and that gives perfect unrecoverable but omber at level 3 gives 1 wastage. Same station on all of these refines.
There muust be a bug in the equations used in game.
We dont want to sink time into refining skills to get that last precious mineral to de duped by CCP.
Sorry i cant do a screenie no acces to webspace at the mo.
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Fubar
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Posted - 2004.08.04 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Thunderpants
Then why in a test refine did i get.
iso 1719 90 1
mega 17 0 1
zyd 95 5 0
on the mega there is a no we take so wastage should be 0 as well and on zyd they take 5 so wastage should be 1.
And as stated earlier 1 have spod skill to level 1 and that gives perfect unrecoverable but omber at level 3 gives 1 wastage. Same station on all of these refines.
There muust be a bug in the equations used in game.
We dont want to sink time into refining skills to get that last precious mineral to de duped by CCP.
Sorry i cant do a screenie no acces to webspace at the mo.
Does this screenshot show the problem you are describing?
If so adding the 3 columns together to get base minerals in the module.
Isogen: 1
Megacyte: 2
Mexallon: 61
Nocxium: 1
Pyerite: 13238
Tritanium: 15630
Zydrine: 1
this can be verified by this screenshot.
Ok now to the math...
We know we are getting 100% of the minerals minus the stations take.
Isogen: 1 * 0.95 = 0.95 = trunced 0
Megacyte: 2 * 0.95 = 1.9 = trunced 1
Mexallon: 61 * 0.95 = 57.95 = trunced 57
Nocxium: 1 * 0.95 = 0.95 = trunced 0
Pyerite: 13238 * 0.95 = 12576.10 = trunced 12576
Tritanium: 15630 * 0.95 = 14848.50 = trunced 14848
Zyrdine: 1 * 0.95 = 0.95 = trunced 0
The station manager are greedy so when they take their percentage they take one whole unit even if the percentage they get is only 0.1%.
You will not get that last piece of megacyte or zydrine until you have a standing of over 6.6666666 with the station owners and only at a 50% station.
See this forum post on EVE-I for the refining/recycling formulas.
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Fubar
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Posted - 2004.08.04 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Thunderpants
Then why in a test refine did i get.
iso 1719 90 1
mega 17 0 1
zyd 95 5 0
on the mega there is a no we take so wastage should be 0 as well and on zyd they take 5 so wastage should be 1.
And as stated earlier 1 have spod skill to level 1 and that gives perfect unrecoverable but omber at level 3 gives 1 wastage. Same station on all of these refines.
There muust be a bug in the equations used in game.
We dont want to sink time into refining skills to get that last precious mineral to de duped by CCP.
Sorry i cant do a screenie no acces to webspace at the mo.
Does this screenshot show the problem you are describing?
If so adding the 3 columns together to get base minerals in the module.
Isogen: 1
Megacyte: 2
Mexallon: 61
Nocxium: 1
Pyerite: 13238
Tritanium: 15630
Zydrine: 1
this can be verified by this screenshot.
Ok now to the math...
We know we are getting 100% of the minerals minus the stations take.
Isogen: 1 * 0.95 = 0.95 = trunced 0
Megacyte: 2 * 0.95 = 1.9 = trunced 1
Mexallon: 61 * 0.95 = 57.95 = trunced 57
Nocxium: 1 * 0.95 = 0.95 = trunced 0
Pyerite: 13238 * 0.95 = 12576.10 = trunced 12576
Tritanium: 15630 * 0.95 = 14848.50 = trunced 14848
Zyrdine: 1 * 0.95 = 0.95 = trunced 0
The station manager are greedy so when they take their percentage they take one whole unit even if the percentage they get is only 0.1%.
You will not get that last piece of megacyte or zydrine until you have a standing of over 6.6666666 with the station owners and only at a 50% station.
See this forum post on EVE-I for the refining/recycling formulas.
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Ambitio
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Posted - 2004.08.05 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ambitio on 05/08/2004 10:20:42
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Ambitio
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Posted - 2004.08.05 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ambitio on 05/08/2004 10:20:42
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Captain Thunderpants
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Posted - 2004.08.05 08:47:00 -
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Thanks for spending the time with a slow to accept thicko fubar.
But the way is see it is ore and loot processing will always give a wastage of 1 if not at 6.7 with corp. So the skill is useless to people with no access to agents in the station i.e some 0.0 stations. If the maths at ccp is bugged I would prefer to see the station take the 1 and it not show in wastage for it is making me paranoid. I just feel i have duped into spending over a month to get no further on in the game.
I would still like a CCP representitive to reply to this thread and clear up the game makers standpoint.
I guess ill have to ferry all this heavy loot to empire over 40 jumps and spend a month getting my standings up with a corp out there just to make the skill work as it should.
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Captain Thunderpants
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Posted - 2004.08.05 08:47:00 -
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Thanks for spending the time with a slow to accept thicko fubar.
But the way is see it is ore and loot processing will always give a wastage of 1 if not at 6.7 with corp. So the skill is useless to people with no access to agents in the station i.e some 0.0 stations. If the maths at ccp is bugged I would prefer to see the station take the 1 and it not show in wastage for it is making me paranoid. I just feel i have duped into spending over a month to get no further on in the game.
I would still like a CCP representitive to reply to this thread and clear up the game makers standpoint.
I guess ill have to ferry all this heavy loot to empire over 40 jumps and spend a month getting my standings up with a corp out there just to make the skill work as it should.
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