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lethaldeathspell Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability Reckless Ambition 0	Posted - 2012.04.22 03:51:00 - [1] - Quote I think the name of the expansion should be changed from 'Escalation' to 'Inflation' or 'Speculation' to better reflect the prices in Jita. This will give the pilots a better understanding on what the new expansion is all about. In all seriousness, this is a bad thing for Eve. With prices as high as they are (ship prices have doubled in Jita), there will be less PVP since people will be less willing to lose their ships. Also, these prices will make it more difficult for new players to compete.
ACE McFACE Acetech Systems 631	Posted - 2012.04.22 03:53:00 - [2] - Quote Really its more returning back to its normal levels with the removal of bots and the speculation based on the removal of drone mineral drops. Im not one of those people that wants EVE back in the old days when it was very rare to see a BS but I would rather higher prices rather than bots running all over the place Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt!
Joshua Aivoras Tech IV Industries The Methodical Alliance 200	Posted - 2012.04.22 04:08:00 - [3] - Quote What we're experiencing atm is a combo of speculation economics and an actual removal of (some) larger causes of artificial deflation that have existed for a while now. 95% of the players are loving EVE, the other 5%? On the forums.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 693	Posted - 2012.04.22 04:09:00 - [4] - Quote The population distribution across the security levels has remained pretty much the same for a very long time, even in that very long price deflationary period where PVP was the cheapest it has ever been. I doubt the PVP will change much one way or the other. Smaller ships may be used more than larger more expensive ships. This is good for new players, it allows them to be competitive sooner rather than later. Also as smaller ships are used, demand for minerals decreases, this will put downward pressure on prices. New players can go mine and take profit from the increased prices as well. Honestly that may be better, out in the belts interacting with other players instead of solo in some mission someplace.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 165	Posted - 2012.04.22 04:53:00 - [5] - Quote lethaldeathspell wrote: In all seriousness, this is a bad thing for Eve. What? People have been asking for this for a long time. Are you also pro-botting and pro a few 0.0 regions destroying the entire profession of mining? lethaldeathspell wrote: With prices as high as they are (ship prices have doubled in Jita) No they haven't. Maybe +20%, but nowhere need 2x. Might want to invest in a calculator if you can't find the ingame one lethaldeathspell wrote: there will be less PVP since people will be less willing to lose their ships. Also, these prices will make it more difficult for new players to compete. If people PvP'd when vags were 250m,and people pvp now in 300m cynabals, people will pvp with 48m isk insurable hurricanes just fine. New players have way, way, way, WAY more methods to gain millions of isk a heck of a lot sooner than I did when I first played. I even had to train learning skills and other nonsense, new players have it so easy compared to vets.
Siva Surya Kshatriya Faggots 37	Posted - 2012.04.22 04:56:00 - [6] - Quote lethaldeathspell wrote: I think the name of the expansion should be changed from 'Escalation' to 'Inflation' or 'Speculation' to better reflect the prices in Jita. This will give the pilots a better understanding on what the new expansion is all about. In all seriousness, this is a bad thing for Eve. With prices as high as they are (ship prices have doubled in Jita), there will be less PVP since people will be less willing to lose their ships. Also, these prices will make it more difficult for new players to compete. People who play this game for the PVP aren't going to suddenly stop just because their favorite BC hulls have doubled in price - they're just going to start fielding more cruisers and frigates, most of whom have been largely unaffected by the speculation.
Whitehound 165	Posted - 2012.04.22 05:21:00 - [7] - Quote Adunh Slavy wrote: ... New players can go mine and take profit from the increased prices as well. Honestly that may be better, out in the belts interacting with other players instead of solo in some mission someplace. The point you seem to be missing is that it is an inflation. Sure, the rookies get more ISKs for their ore, but they will also need to pay more. It then depends on how they choose to play EVE. Every fix cost from skill books to clones will weight less if you take part in the production process of things. Those who do not have to pay more for everything else in comparison. All mission runners will get the same amount of bounties, same amount of LPs and rewards. They too will get less compared to the increasing prices of items, but it is not quite sure how much, because they now get bounties from rogue drones instead of minerals. Many of the mission runners do not even loot and salvage the wrecks of the NPCs ... PvPers, who finance their losses with the loot from other players' ships wrecks will still be able to pay for their bills and they will get more ISKs in return if they are good. The bad ones will have to try harder. So it is not going to change much for PvP and only for the better. The inflation then "hurts" all those players, who have got a lot of ISKs, but did not invest it into something. Their current ISKs will buy less in the future. No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell
Surfin's PlunderBunny Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids 1040	Posted - 2012.04.22 05:29:00 - [8] - Quote Whitehound wrote: The point you seem to be missing is that it is an inflation. Sure, the rookies get more ISKs for their ore, but they will also need to pay more. It then depends on how they choose to play EVE. Nothing has changed, hooray!
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 693	Posted - 2012.04.22 05:47:00 - [9] - Quote Whitehound wrote: The point you seem to be missing is that it is an inflation. Sure, the rookies get more ISKs for their ore, but they will also need to pay more. It then depends on how they choose to play EVE. Not missing this point at all. Instead of running missions to pay for things, they now have more oppertunity to do other things besides run missions. In the previous delfationary price environment, with inflating money supply, all other activities lost value in terms of time compared to ISK faucet activities. As for those who refuse to change their activities, or refuse to take advantage of the increasing prices on the way to a new eqilibrium, that is their choice.
Whitehound 165	Posted - 2012.04.22 05:51:00 - [10] - Quote Adunh Slavy wrote: As for those who refuse to change their activities, or refuse to take advantage of the increasing prices on the way to a new eqilibrium, that is their choice. That is true. I would say the smart will win over the dumb and this is never bad. No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell
Ioci Bad Girl Posse 131	Posted - 2012.04.22 06:13:00 - [11] - Quote Inflation means ISK is worth less. Through all this zydrine hysteria, ships doubling in price, Plex has remained stable. Yes it might have gone up over the last year but this market stuff only just started 3 or 4 months ago. Because Plex really hasn't moved aside from a few minipulations, ISK hasn't really lost value. A billion ISK is still worth $70 US. We aren't seeing inflation. We are seeing price gouging. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk Save Derpy!
baltec1 1126	Posted - 2012.04.22 06:32:00 - [12] - Quote Vaal Erit wrote: No they haven't. Maybe +20%, but nowhere need 2x. Might want to invest in a calculator if you can't find the ingame one More like 90%.
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 79	Posted - 2012.04.22 07:10:00 - [13] - Quote High prices only stops you PvPing if you are terrible at PvP....
Surfin's PlunderBunny Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids 1040	Posted - 2012.04.22 07:40:00 - [14] - Quote Copine Callmeknau wrote: High prices only stops you PvPing if you are terrible at PvP.... Oh noes! high price is going to stop me. I'm terrible at PvP
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 533	Posted - 2012.04.22 07:48:00 - [15] - Quote I'm glad prices are going up. It hurts more when I kill you. It's not rocket surgery.
thowlimer Roprocor Ltd 1	Posted - 2012.04.22 08:10:00 - [16] - Quote Inflation only means that missioning/bounties will be worth less/hour spent, anything where you get the isk from the market rather than an isk faucet will be about the same(more isk but that is then balanced by having to pay more). So inflation nerfs missioning(which a lot of people are arguing is a good thing...) and bounties, while manufacturing/mining/exploration or pretty much anything else that involves the market will just have higher flow of isk, but the time spent to aquire an item will be roughly the same. As it looks to me this will mostly hurt older players who rely on a big wallet and are now seeing the value of their isk dropping fast, new player will still have to spend about the same time to get what they want which is what we should look at, not the amount of isk but the hours spent to squire something. Also bear in mind that mineral prices before the drone regions crashed the market was in some cases higher and other lower than they are atm, CCP has stated that they know the market will go haywire(in more polite words) but that they will wait until things settle down before doing anything. Not much point crying wolf everytime someone starts speculating on the mineral market. Thowlimer PS : this will also bring a much needed return of consequence back into PVP, loosing a ship is supposed to hurt financially, lately people seem to throw away tech 2 ships like theres no tomorrow and replacing them after an hour or two of their favourite isk gathering
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3427	Posted - 2012.04.22 08:52:00 - [17] - Quote lethaldeathspell wrote: I think the name of the expansion should be changed from 'Escalation' to 'Inflation' or 'Speculation' to better reflect the prices in Jita. This will give the pilots a better understanding on what the new expansion is all about. In all seriousness, this is a bad thing for Eve. With prices as high as they are (ship prices have doubled in Jita), there will be less PVP since people will be less willing to lose their ships. Also, these prices will make it more difficult for new players to compete. Counterpoint: what is happening is an extremely good thing for EVE. The ideal solution would be for CCP to just delete 50% of all the ISK in existence, but people have an irrational attachment to their wallet number, so the next best thing is just to let prices double. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Veshta Yoshida PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 65	Posted - 2012.04.22 09:01:00 - [18] - Quote Just wait for it .. the boticide has just begun, when the sweep is done expect half of null to be banned; ISK generation plummets and staggering amounts of assets/ISK is nuked .. deflation will crash the markets and CCP forced to introduce a bot for purchase in NeX to stabilize the situation. Paranoia is FUN!
Whitehound 165	Posted - 2012.04.22 09:07:00 - [19] - Quote Veshta Yoshida wrote: Just wait for it .. the boticide has just begun, when the sweep is done expect half of null to be banned; ISK generation plummets and staggering amounts of assets/ISK is nuked .. deflation will crash the markets and CCP forced to introduce a bot for purchase in NeX to stabilize the situation. Paranoia is FUN! Hell ... No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell
Ispai Ponue Caldari Provisions Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.04.22 09:12:00 - [20] - Quote lethaldeathspell wrote: I think the name of the expansion should be changed from 'Escalation' to 'Inflation' or 'Speculation' to better reflect the prices in Jita. This will give the pilots a better understanding on what the new expansion is all about. In all seriousness, this is a bad thing for Eve. With prices as high as they are (ship prices have doubled in Jita), there will be less PVP since people will be less willing to lose their ships. Also, these prices will make it more difficult for new players to compete. Dude...at this point I'd love to lose a ship. Posting as an alt because I don't want to ** people off....but I've been doing nothing but buy ships at outrageous prices to get into the "official fleet fits" for the 50 ***** different kinds I have to have only to sit around for hours and not do anything when I actually get to sign in when a fleet is going. If I could just buy a ship, fit it....fly it....get killed....replace it....etc....dude, I'd be blowing sperm all over in my pants. As it is I've got a crap load of overpriced ships sitting in station that I get to fly once in a while....no chance of getting destroyed...and I'm still ratting myself to the bone trying to afford all the bullshit I'm supposed to have. THAT is what's going to kill EvE and it's got nothing to do with anytihng that CCP is doing.
Ispai Ponue Caldari Provisions Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.04.22 09:15:00 - [21] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Adunh Slavy wrote: As for those who refuse to change their activities, or refuse to take advantage of the increasing prices on the way to a new eqilibrium, that is their choice. That is true. I would say the smart will win over the dumb and this is never bad. Smart never rules over dumb. Not even in make believe land.
Whitehound 165	Posted - 2012.04.22 09:17:00 - [22] - Quote Ispai Ponue wrote: Whitehound wrote: Adunh Slavy wrote: As for those who refuse to change their activities, or refuse to take advantage of the increasing prices on the way to a new eqilibrium, that is their choice. That is true. I would say the smart will win over the dumb and this is never bad. Smart never rules over dumb. Not even in make believe land. Apparently. The word is "win" and not "rule". No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell
Ispai Ponue Caldari Provisions Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.04.22 09:22:00 - [23] - Quote Adunh Slavy wrote: I doubt the PVP will change much one way or the other. Smaller ships may be used more than larger more expensive ships. This is good for new players, it allows them to be competitive sooner rather than later. . I don't know that this is true. Sure, maybe it makes it so that some dude that can fly a T1 fit rifter will suddenly be on par with the rest of the universe in ability to fly....will they be able to afford it? When I started EvE it was a good 6 months before I could even afford a hurricane. At that time they cost 18mil (they're getting on to 50 now). Instead of buying one, because I couldn't afford it.....a friend and I worked our asses off for a couple days mining the bullshit to build it. In the meantime we got our can flipped by some loser in the orphenage that was too arrogant to fit the right drones and I drove them off with a rifter that only had half the modules on it..... Then I flew it into the most **** up NPC thing I could find in hisec, got scrammed, webbed...destroyed...with no insurance first ***** thing I did. Within 5 minutes of it coming off the assembly line my first hurricane was pixel dust. Point being.....it was a lot of work for us. Sure, we were able to fly the thing quite easily in a matter of weeks.....but actually getting to the point of being able to afford it, not so much. Now with everything being super expensive, I wonder if "the newbs" (do it for the children) are actually empowered at all by this change.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3428	Posted - 2012.04.22 09:41:00 - [24] - Quote Ispai Ponue wrote: Adunh Slavy wrote: I doubt the PVP will change much one way or the other. Smaller ships may be used more than larger more expensive ships. This is good for new players, it allows them to be competitive sooner rather than later. . I don't know that this is true. Sure, maybe it makes it so that some dude that can fly a T1 fit rifter will suddenly be on par with the rest of the universe in ability to fly....will they be able to afford it? When I started EvE it was a good 6 months before I could even afford a hurricane. At that time they cost 18mil (they're getting on to 50 now). Instead of buying one, because I couldn't afford it.....a friend and I worked our asses off for a couple days mining the bullshit to build it. In the meantime we got our can flipped by some loser in the orphenage that was too arrogant to fit the right drones and I drove them off with a rifter that only had half the modules on it..... Then I flew it into the most **** up NPC thing I could find in hisec, got scrammed, webbed...destroyed...with no insurance first ***** thing I did. Within 5 minutes of it coming off the assembly line my first hurricane was pixel dust. Point being.....it was a lot of work for us. Sure, we were able to fly the thing quite easily in a matter of weeks.....but actually getting to the point of being able to afford it, not so much. Now with everything being super expensive, I wonder if "the newbs" (do it for the children) are actually empowered at all by this change. Sounds like you got a whole lot more gameplay out of that Hurricane than you would have from simply buying it from the market. In fact that's a nice MMO story there, it's got everything, a goal, obstacles, a villain, teamwork, achievement and finally tragedy that sets the scene for a sequel. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
clixor Celluloid Gurus 4	Posted - 2012.04.22 12:26:00 - [25] - Quote It's a bit of a pointless debate, CCP is finally dealing with cheaters (bots) and this is the simply (and temporary) result. That said, the effects are for everybody, so as gangs have to downgrade newish players can compete better in PVP improving the game dynamics. Losing a fight will mean more making the experience more stronger as well.
D3F4ULT 49	Posted - 2012.04.22 12:27:00 - [26] - Quote I blame this all on America going into middle east for oil. Gas prices are too damn high. Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs )
Serene Repose Perkone Caldari State 661	Posted - 2012.04.22 14:47:00 - [27] - Quote Posting on a thread the subject of which is already the subject of half a dozen other threads. Good eye, OP. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 161	Posted - 2012.04.22 18:22:00 - [28] - Quote D3F4ULT wrote: I blame this all on America going into middle east for oil. Gas prices are too damn high. Real trouble of this was GW Bush was a crappy CEO ( he ruined the Rangers by losing Sousa too) he got America into a war for oil & we didn't get jack **** for oil outta the deal even after he proclaimed mission accomplished. Texan Presidents been the crappiest presidents the USA ever had To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"

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