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Iwant Urstuff Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:16:00 - [61] I can't believe I'm doin thiz. Get second account. Use one slot for throw away character. Name him oh Dumbs**t, have thiz character come shoot you when you minin. Put a reasonable tank on dat Hulk. Concord is already there. It will help if ur in a newb corp. But if not Concorde will still be there. Sometimez I kill myself. !!!revo lla ti puah zld FFUTSRU tuaw op I
Liz Laser	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:17:00 - [62] Originally by: Dawts The reason this can work is because they prove they can do it. They destroy your hulk and say "we'll do it again if you don't pay us" 1.It isn't an idle threat 2.They have no real reason to keep killing you, they've just brought a client onboard 3.They can move on to new targets to increase their clientele It's bad business to exploit/kill them after they paid. It can work until everyone who can draw breath is behaving the same way simply because "it can work". The FOTM masses of Eve can ruin ANYTHING. Once again, how many people will a miner pay for the privilege of mining?
FOl2TY8 Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:18:00 - [63] I can confirm that BYDI does keep to their word, I am not an alt and I am not very good at PVP I had a quick question for you Ugluuk, if a corp pays you for blue settings do you then offer full protection services or does the blue setting only mean you will not attack? For instance, if one of your "clients" gets war-decced to you then protect said client? Just curious.... ---------- The six paths and the four lives....
Dawts Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:27:00 - [64] Originally by: Liz Laser Originally by: Dawts The reason this can work is because they prove they can do it. They destroy your hulk and say "we'll do it again if you don't pay us" 1.It isn't an idle threat 2.They have no real reason to keep killing you, they've just brought a client onboard 3.They can move on to new targets to increase their clientele It's bad business to exploit/kill them after they paid. It can work until everyone who can draw breath is behaving the same way simply because "it can work". The FOTM masses of Eve can ruin ANYTHING. Once again, how many people will a miner pay for the privilege of mining? How is it FOTM when pirates and 0.0 alliances have been doing it for a loooooong time? Bottom line, paying for immunity works if the extortionist keeps their word. Best case you lose a hulk and pay your fees, worse case you lose 2 hulks your fees, but you know that they can't be trusted, you post here and announce in local/forums that they are complete BS and no one pays.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Enterprises	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:33:00 - [65] The problem with this revolves around how many people you will end up having to pay off to mine. One group of 6 people and a couple destroyers. Not terribly difficult an operation to set up, so now someone has to pay off your group. Then another group, then another group... so on and so on. Soon people are paying 500-1 bil a month to what? Fire lasers at rocks? Bad scam is bad, anyone who pays is a fool its just not worth it.
Liz Laser	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:35:00 - [66] Originally by: Dawts Originally by: Liz Laser Originally by: Dawts The reason this can work is because they prove they can do it. They destroy your hulk and say "we'll do it again if you don't pay us" 1.It isn't an idle threat 2.They have no real reason to keep killing you, they've just brought a client onboard 3.They can move on to new targets to increase their clientele It's bad business to exploit/kill them after they paid. It can work until everyone who can draw breath is behaving the same way simply because "it can work". The FOTM masses of Eve can ruin ANYTHING. Once again, how many people will a miner pay for the privilege of mining? How is it FOTM when pirates and 0.0 alliances have been doing it for a loooooong time?. I'm not saying it is FOTM, yet, but if miners in high sec will pay to mine, then yes it will be FOTM, because EVERYONE will jump on that gravy train. The barrier to entry is practically nil. You can even do it and still stay in the noob corp. I've considered it in the past but dismissed it because of the same points I've brought up in this thread. Long term it is a fail, because I can't keep everyone else from jumping on the gravy train and driving miners out of the business. (There are no secrets in Eve). Short term, it's only a tad more interesting than camping gates.
lordstitch	Posted - 2009.02.09 22:11:00 - [67] Don't pay anything. As stated before there are ways of avoiding people like that. Its a no brainer. These people will continually hunt and haunt you if you do or don't. How many examples do we have right here on C&P of people that do not honor what they say? Just because someone sounds or seems honest with their intents doesn't mean anything...hell look at the situation... "the" -we won't kill you if you pay- is horse crap at best. If you pay your contributing to the factor most are trying to get rid of.
icewalls Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.09 22:37:00 - [68] Originally by: FOl2TY8 I can confirm that BYDI does keep to their word, I am not an alt and I am not very good at PVP I had a quick question for you Ugluuk, if a corp pays you for blue settings do you then offer full protection services or does the blue setting only mean you will not attack? For instance, if one of your "clients" gets war-decced to you then protect said client? Just curious.... I am pretty sure it is only that we will not attack when you are mining in highsec or when you travel to our space in lowsec. So, you can pay up and mine in lowsec if you want(I think, Villwrath has to confirm). We do not provide protection though, because we are not a merc corp.
FOl2TY8 Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.02.09 22:53:00 - [69] Originally by: icewalls Originally by: FOl2TY8 I can confirm that BYDI does keep to their word, I am not an alt and I am not very good at PVP I had a quick question for you Ugluuk, if a corp pays you for blue settings do you then offer full protection services or does the blue setting only mean you will not attack? For instance, if one of your "clients" gets war-decced to you then protect said client? Just curious.... I am pretty sure it is only that we will not attack when you are mining in highsec or when you travel to our space in lowsec. So, you can pay up and mine in lowsec if you want(I think, Villwrath has to confirm). We do not provide protection though, because we are not a merc corp. 0/ icewalls, we spent some time together when you where searching for my cloaked itty IV in Oddelulf awhile back. Has anybody in Eve actually tried to run a full on protection racket? I haven't seen anything about it on the forums and it seems like if you had enough active pilots you could probably make a good living on it. As I said, just curious don't have any invested interest in this thread apart from being on a few BYDI killmails. ---------- The six paths and the four lives....
Liz Laser	Posted - 2009.02.09 23:14:00 - [70] Originally by: FOl2TY8 Has anybody in Eve actually tried to run a full on protection racket? I haven't seen anything about it on the forums and it seems like if you had enough active pilots you could probably make a good living on it. As I said, just curious don't have any invested interest in this thread apart from being on a few BYDI killmails. I'd describe most of Sov space as a protection racket. At least as far as "pets". The key part in this thread is it's high sec. The industrialist school (where most miners start out and often stay) for my race has had no buzz about a high sec protection racket. The last time they were all a-twitter was back from jihad before the suicide gank nerf, and I suspect those were just jihadist shills.
Ryoken McKeon Galactic Defence Syndicate Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.09 23:16:00 - [71] Protection Racketeering is 4tw. Except when you suck at it. Then it's not 4tw.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.02.09 23:16:00 - [72] Originally by: Villwrath Edited by: Villwrath on 09/02/2009 12:05:02 Originally by: Misanth insert Captain Picard-facepalm Random nubs with no corpticker talking about this enterprice, so happens, all of them happily found there way to this little thread? I think someone is seeking attention. Cute. Come here big boys, sit in my lap. Papa Misanth got hugs and candy.. Or perhaps, we saw the thread posted by someone who lost a Hulk, thought it was amusing and shared the link with our fellow corpmates.... just perhaps. Srs cat 's srs bsnss.
FOl2TY8 Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.02.09 23:34:00 - [73] Originally by: Ryoken McKeon Protection Racketeering is 4tw. Except when you suck at it. Then it's not 4tw. You speak the truth... It would probably take a lot of very active pilots handling several war decs simultaneously to make this profitable. I'm sure it would be pretty fun while it lasted with almost constant pvp. Unless you suck at, it wouldn't be fun if you suck at it. ---------- The six paths and the four lives....
Revoluti0nx Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.02.10 02:27:00 - [74] Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 02:27:49 Be careful, i hear he is really good
Maddan69 Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:03:00 - [75] Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 02:27:49 Be careful, i hear he is really good Wow how many times are you guys in general gonna bring that loss up. I guess someone having a laps in memory is forbidden in this game. For shame for shame. If you want to know what happened, he was helping some people move ** and omg he forgot to switch his setup. Then when he undocked his dread for the fight his passive modules were hidden so he assumed he had his standard dread fit but by all means keep bringing it up. BYDI are supporters of A.R.G. Asteroid Rights Group Save a roid, kill a miner! Do your part to save the environment! also offering corpse extraction services**
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:11:00 - [76] Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 10/02/2009 03:11:48 Originally by: Liz Laser Edited by: Liz Laser on 09/02/2009 20:56:27 Originally by: Ugluuk Originally by: Liz Laser Edited by: Liz Laser on 09/02/2009 16:34:13 If people pay up, what's to keep Villwrath from making a similar threat to those payees with each of his alts? Just how many people will you pay 100 million a month to? Pretty soon every player will be using every one of their characters to demand protection money. Eventually, miners will have to buy dozens of GTCs and sell the PLEXes for isk just for the privelege of mining. :-) You pay for blue standings to BYDI and our blue standings..Which means you are safe from attacks from us.. How this works is that we add all we killed to our "buddy" list..Coming with threaths about doing it again wont work if we dont gank the same people over and over again.. So atm we are building up a client list..Then once we got enough customers we start using the locator agents to find you again.. All you got to do it pay once and be safe the next month.. And BYDI keeps it`s word as all our blue pass customers can confirm.. Did anything in your post actually address the points I made? What keeps Villwrath from making a similar threat with every one of his alts? What keeps his "crew" from making a similar threat with every one of their alts? They'll have the client list, right? What keeps the rest of us from making a similar threat with each of our characters? How many people will a miner pay off for the privilege of mining? There seems to no limit to the number of people that can make a similar demand on a miner. We have a ransom page for a lot of time now, and they all have been honored ... even that CNR for 2.5b in Hedaleolfarber - i think that guy was also an ex-FLA guy.
Villwrath Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:12:00 - [77] Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 02:27:49 Be careful, i hear he is really good At one point in time when BYDI first moved to the area, I thought Invicta had some class, in fact I even had some respect for them as a pvp corp. Then they joined Cry Havoc.
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:12:00 - [78] Edited by: oodin on 10/02/2009 03:13:42 Edited by: oodin on 10/02/2009 03:12:39 Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 02:27:49 Be careful, i hear he is really good that was a low blow revolution ..but if you ask your invicta directors they can remember when we was in outbreak and we lost a honortanking nyx ;)
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:22:00 - [79] Originally by: FOl2TY8 I can confirm that BYDI does keep to their word, I am not an alt and I am not very good at PVP I had a quick question for you Ugluuk, if a corp pays you for blue settings do you then offer full protection services or does the blue setting only mean you will not attack? For instance, if one of your "clients" gets war-decced to you then protect said client? Just curious.... If you pay blue pass to mine or do missions in low sec you pay for free passage only, but if we are close when you ask for help we will come if we got people.. If you pay blue pass for high sec we will not war dec or anything like that.. We will just stop chasing you with the suicide squad..
Revoluti0nx Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.02.10 04:32:00 - [80] Originally by: Villwrath Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 02:27:49 Be careful, i hear he is really good At one point in time when BYDI first moved to the area, I thought Invicta had some class, in fact I even had some respect for them as a pvp corp. Then they joined Cry Havoc. Go ahead. Just know we don't use cargo expander on our dreads.
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 04:48:00 - [81] Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 04:46:36 Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 04:36:52 Originally by: Villwrath Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 02:27:49 Be careful, i hear he is really good At one point in time when BYDI first moved to the area, I thought Invicta had some class, in fact I even had some respect for them as a pvp corp. Then they joined Cry Havoc. Go ahead and think what you like. Just know we don't use cargo expanders on our dreads. revolution please reply to my post too..2 jumps up
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.02.10 04:58:00 - [82] I'm sorry but your all missing the obvious.. if the... ooo... shiny shiny!
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 04:59:00 - [83] Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 04:46:36 Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 04:36:52 Originally by: Villwrath Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 02:27:49 Be careful, i hear he is really good At one point in time when BYDI first moved to the area, I thought Invicta had some class, in fact I even had some respect for them as a pvp corp. Then they joined Cry Havoc. Go ahead and think what you like. Just know we don't use cargo expanders on our dreads. He responded to a call for help without remembering he had travel fit from the day before, so what? It was the firepower he brought that secured 5 capital kills for BYDI.. But if you wanna talk down on people you should take a look at yourself aswell man.. Villwrath made a mistake but atleast he knows how to fly his ships so he dont loose a Hawk to a Manticore and a Rook to Dominix and Sabre..Unlike yourself..
Revoluti0nx Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.02.10 05:12:00 - [84] Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 05:14:54 :facepalm: at that nyx lol i want to see the km ugluuk, its just a joke. No need to get but hurt kid.
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:29:00 - [85] Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 05:25:12 :facepalm: at that nyx lol i want to see the km ugluuk, its just a joke. No need to get but hurt kid. Oh and if your really that pathetic to check my losses mister 1337, care to explain the huginn you lost to a hyp? couple of heavy neuts/neutrons with null/mwd and some speed and i guess alot of huggins can be in trouble..agree revo??
Revoluti0nx Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:34:00 - [86] Seem's a little silly for a neutron hyp to have a few heavy neuts.
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:37:00 - [87] Originally by: Revoluti0nx Seem's a little silly for a neutron hyp to have a few heavy neuts. maybe he refit to kill the hugg..all i say it is possible but im pretty sure ug will do a 1v1 against you if you ask.. FRAPS!!
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:41:00 - [88] to that hulk that warped out 5 sec before we landed on him and caused us to return home without loot and chased by the navy ever do that again were petitioning him for griefing!!
Revoluti0nx Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:41:00 - [89] I couldn't give a rats ass to 1v1. Now wheres this nyx km :P
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:43:00 - [90] Originally by: Revoluti0nx I couldn't give a rats ass to 1v1. Now wheres this nyx km :P poor seahorse died moving our stuff

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