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Liczykrupa	Posted - 2009.02.08 10:52:00 - [1] this ingame mail is enough: 2009.02.08 03:32 Sorry that you had to be part of operation "Free The Carebears", and we appologize for your exhumer loss. We would much prefer to have you as a valued client instead of a target. Our teams are constantly scouting all high sec regions around Jita including but not limited to Lonetrek, Black Rise, Citadel, Essence for exhumers mining, and when we find one, our dessie teams will go out to get them. For a limited time we are offering you BLUE +10 standings with our corp, and all of our allies for ONE FULL MONTH period (30 days). This will cost you ONLY 100 million ISK for the month, and your exhumer will be SAFE from any of our attacks. If you reject our offer, we will add you to a buddy list folder, and we will run locator agents on you whenever we see that you are online. You will become a primary target for us first over any other random exhumers. Pay 100 million ISK to Villwrath now, and you get FULL MONTH without harrassment.
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.08 10:58:00 - [2] Who the hell's Villwrath? I'd tell him to **** off tbh and make sure you watch yourself while you mine just incase he tries to make good on his promise. Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . .
FatFreddy	Posted - 2009.02.08 11:04:00 - [3] Military Experts are calling this a perfectly legitimate business idea.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.08 11:21:00 - [4] Lol a protection ring, go tell them to F themselves. That is unless you know they are powerful and could kick some serious backside, if thats the case PAY THE MAN
Liczykrupa	Posted - 2009.02.08 11:23:00 - [5] I NEVER pay scundrels.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.08 11:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Liczykrupa I NEVER pay scundrels. Nor your English tutor, it would seem.
Liczykrupa	Posted - 2009.02.08 12:10:00 - [7] Ah - this is argument...
Joe Shooter Infusion. PROBABLE CAUSE	Posted - 2009.02.08 12:12:00 - [8] Edited by: Joe Shooter on 08/02/2009 12:12:39 Originally by: Liczykrupa Ah - this is argument... Argument? This is SPARTA.
Shigsy Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.02.08 12:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Joe Shooter Edited by: Joe Shooter on 08/02/2009 12:12:39 Originally by: Liczykrupa Ah - this is argument... Argument? This is SPARTA. HOO HOO
CAiNE999 Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.08 14:12:00 - [10] All your hulks belong to us! Also, pay the man!
Nexus Kinnon Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.02.08 14:13:00 - [11] bydi <3
Kriptonik	Posted - 2009.02.08 14:57:00 - [12] Yes, I assure you our efficiency at successfully taking down our high sec hulk targets is 100%. And 50% of the time we manage to kill the pods as well. So if you want your Highwalls to stay safe.... send Villwrath a little isk, and you will have no problems.
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.02.08 15:20:00 - [13] ok so what you do now is set his corp red to your corp/alliance and any known associates, watch local, and just incase - tank your hulk... shield hardners, invul fields, damage control units. i wouldnt normally give a bear advice on how to survive but the message that random sent you is pretty silly tbh, all he did is give you a heads up eh...
Inertial Killing Spree Inc Unity Thru Aggression.	Posted - 2009.02.08 15:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Liczykrupa I NEVER pay scundrels. You lucky bastard... I have to pay scoundrels!
Liczykrupa	Posted - 2009.02.08 15:57:00 - [15] 1. I will not give isk-s to morons (however I have to admit they are very skilled fighters). 2. No need for me to tank hulk - I found exploration to be much more profitable than mining :) .
Liczykrupa	Posted - 2009.02.08 16:00:00 - [16] Inertial - never pay them - when you pay the next term free from harrasment will be not 1 month but 2 weeks then 1 week - you only loose isk.
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.08 16:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Kriptonik Yes, I assure you our efficiency at successfully taking down our high sec hulk targets is 100%. And 50% of the time we manage to kill the pods as well. So if you want your Highwalls to stay safe.... send Villwrath a little isk, and you will have no problems. I've never heard of you either, so again - OP I'd tell them to go **** themselves. As K1RTH said, it's not that hard to avoid people if you exhibit even a small amount of intelligence.
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.08 17:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Mickey Simon Originally by: Kriptonik Yes, I assure you our efficiency at successfully taking down our high sec hulk targets is 100%. And 50% of the time we manage to kill the pods as well. So if you want your Highwalls to stay safe.... send Villwrath a little isk, and you will have no problems. I've never heard of you either, so again - OP I'd tell them to go ** themselves. As K1RTH said, it's not that hard to avoid people if you exhibit even a small amount of intelligence. Instead of telling us to f* ourselfes i recommend that he hires your corp on us.. Then you can come and say it yourself..
Eschiava Q Minmatar Blood Money Bootcamp Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.02.08 17:26:00 - [19] Originally by: Liczykrupa Ah - this is argument... Argument? I thought you wanted abuse!
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2009.02.08 18:18:00 - [20] hmm... 100mil or the poor ******* becomes a target and losses far more per month until he is griefed out of EvE? Honestly there is no question, the boy should pay. At least until he can man up enough to take care of these problems himself.
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.08 18:19:00 - [21] move somewhere else maybe? you see where they are (they told you in the mail), just move to the other end of the universe. Or join a 0.0 alliance. For some reason pirates are afraid of 0.0
icewalls Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.08 18:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Mickey Simon Originally by: Kriptonik Yes, I assure you our efficiency at successfully taking down our high sec hulk targets is 100%. And 50% of the time we manage to kill the pods as well. So if you want your Highwalls to stay safe.... send Villwrath a little isk, and you will have no problems. I've never heard of you either, so again - OP I'd tell them to go **** themselves. As K1RTH said, it's not that hard to avoid people if you exhibit even a small amount of intelligence. this offer extends to you dont be afraid to send us an evemail :)
Marshall Jannsen	Posted - 2009.02.08 18:50:00 - [23] Well it's just a little ridiculous. 100 mil isn't really cost effective for any hulk pilot that's mining in high sec (though wasting your time on that is pretty foolish in the first place). Considering I've never heard of these idiots, I'd guess that should you jump a few systems away, and keep an eye on local, you'll be fine. Suicide ganking hulks is hard to do in a cost effective manner, because nothing on the hulk is really worth all that much (and they can tank fairly effectively). These pansy pirates can start hitting real high sec targets like freighters, or should just go back to running missions. MOVE OUT TO 0.0 PEOPLE, IT'S NOT THAT HARD.
Rai Deo Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.08 19:57:00 - [24] Originally by: Marshall Jannsen Well it's just a little ridiculous. 100 mil isn't really cost effective for any hulk pilot that's mining in high sec (though wasting your time on that is pretty foolish in the first place). Considering I've never heard of these idiots, I'd guess that should you jump a few systems away, and keep an eye on local, you'll be fine. Suicide ganking hulks is hard to do in a cost effective manner, because nothing on the hulk is really worth all that much (and they can tank fairly effectively). These pansy pirates can start hitting real high sec targets like freighters, or should just go back to running missions. MOVE OUT TO 0.0 PEOPLE, IT'S NOT THAT HARD. 4-6 t1 fitted destroyers can take down a heavily tanked hulk quickly before concord arrives. average loss from each dessy(after mods and insurance) is about 300k isk. Even t1 loot and the salvage more than makes up for the loss. I advise you pay up.
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.08 20:00:00 - [25] Originally by: Marshall Jannsen Considering I've never heard of these idiots, I'd guess that should you jump a few systems away, and keep an eye on local, you'll be fine. Suicide ganking hulks is hard to do in a cost effective manner, because nothing on the hulk is really worth all that much (and they can tank fairly effectively). These pansy pirates can start hitting real high sec targets like freighters, or should just go back to running missions. MOVE OUT TO 0.0 PEOPLE, IT'S NOT THAT HARD. These idiots you are reffering to is my corp..And your corp flew with us idiots in 0.0 1 year ago when Burn Eden let your corp of carebears into Terra Incognita. And since your corp and the other FLA people lacked huge understanding on what PVP is we left the alliance and went back to low sec.. Low sec is the place in Eve with most skilled pvp pilots..Not nublets like you who fly in big gangs and think 70mill Sp makes you a good pilot.. Bugger off little man..
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2009.02.08 20:24:00 - [26] What does a Merc contract/wardec cost? Perhaps some potential "customers" may be inclined to pool their resources and give Noir or one of their competitors some business?
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.02.08 20:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Ugluuk Originally by: Mickey Simon Originally by: Kriptonik Yes, I assure you our efficiency at successfully taking down our high sec hulk targets is 100%. And 50% of the time we manage to kill the pods as well. So if you want your Highwalls to stay safe.... send Villwrath a little isk, and you will have no problems. I've never heard of you either, so again - OP I'd tell them to go ** themselves. As K1RTH said, it's not that hard to avoid people if you exhibit even a small amount of intelligence. Instead of telling us to f* ourselfes i recommend that he hires your corp on us.. Then you can come and say it yourself.. I say there sir! Spectacular display of sentence structure and intuition!
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.02.08 20:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem move somewhere else maybe? you see where they are (they told you in the mail), just move to the other end of the universe. Or join a 0.0 alliance. For some reason pirates are afraid of 0.0 pirates make (or atleast try) to make their isk from pirating (who would of guessed). So, less in the gang, the more profit. The only thing you can *expect* from 0.0 is blobs
Rai Deo Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.08 20:48:00 - [29] Originally by: K1RTH G3RS3N Originally by: Ugluuk Originally by: Mickey Simon Originally by: Kriptonik Yes, I assure you our efficiency at successfully taking down our high sec hulk targets is 100%. And 50% of the time we manage to kill the pods as well. So if you want your Highwalls to stay safe.... send Villwrath a little isk, and you will have no problems. I've never heard of you either, so again - OP I'd tell them to go ** themselves. As K1RTH said, it's not that hard to avoid people if you exhibit even a small amount of intelligence. Instead of telling us to f* ourselfes i recommend that he hires your corp on us.. Then you can come and say it yourself.. I say there sir! Spectacular display of sentence structure and intuition! I say there sir! Spectacular way to point out someone's grammar issues when their first language is not English.
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.02.08 20:55:00 - [30] Originally by: Rai Deo Originally by: K1RTH G3RS3N Originally by: Ugluuk Originally by: Mickey Simon I've never heard of you either, so again - OP I'd tell them to go ** themselves. As K1RTH said, it's not that hard to avoid people if you exhibit even a small amount of intelligence. Instead of telling us to f* ourselfes i recommend that he hires your corp on us.. Then you can come and say it yourself.. I say there sir! Spectacular display of sentence structure and intuition! I say there sir! Spectacular way to point out someone's grammar issues when their first language is not English. hahaha dont get your panties in a knot! anyway - telling him to come say it himself when himself already said it isnt anything to do with grammer or language
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.08 20:56:00 - [31] This guy seems legit. CCP Atlas - The Short Story - "With Quantum Rise, we kind of messed up the performance of the EVE client."
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.02.08 20:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Karrade Krise This guy seems legit. true story Recruiting \o/
Empire Godness	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:22:00 - [33] I had a member lose their Hulk. It was rather unexpected, I thought we were safe in empire. I now however see that we are not. I have since contacted them about their offer. Yesterday while mining my corp mate seen them suicide someone else in the exact same belt as her. So it would appear they are true to their word. If you are concerned about the rate increasing the following term, eve mail me in one month.
State Security Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.09 07:53:00 - [34] There's several Merc outfits looking for some Pew Pew fun, hire them and watch the fun. It'll cost a LOT less, about 20M, and they are skilled in exactly what you need them to be, PvP. Because once you pay, you're a "payer" forever more. They will milk you and milk you till they can find an excuse to shoot you anyways, so may as well fight it out.
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.09 08:39:00 - [35] Originally by: K1RTH G3RS3N anyway - telling him to come say it himself when himself already said it isnt anything to do with grammer or language As far as i know he did not tell us to **** ourselfes..He told the op to say it.. But if he wants someone to use that kinda language on us he can come to our system and say it himself. Btw, nice to see someone worry about my English grammar while thinking of Rai`s panties at the same time..
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.02.09 08:44:00 - [36] God this is so funny. Villwrath is my hero. He's a pretty cool guy, ransoms miners and doesn't afraid of anything.
Jarek Naumen Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.09 08:47:00 - [37] Originally by: K1RTH G3RS3N ok so what you do now is set his corp red to your corp/alliance and any known associates, watch local, and just incase - tank your hulk... shield hardners, invul fields, damage control units. i wouldnt normally give a bear advice on how to survive but the message that random sent you is pretty silly tbh, all he did is give you a heads up eh... It seems you had trouble understanding fully the contents of the message. Customer satisfaction is very important to us, thus no message is random or from random sender. Usually hulk pilots who have already experienced firsthand the full extent of operation "Free The Carebears" have the first chance to take advantage of this special offer, so they can truly appreciate it's positive aspects or the consequences of not subscribing to this service.
Neo Rainhart Bandiittisektori	Posted - 2009.02.09 08:52:00 - [38] Yeah who are bydi I never heard of them? o/ muad is bragging about your assorted miner kills alot, sounds like a lot of fun and tears to be had
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.02.09 10:25:00 - [39] insert Captain Picard-facepalm Random nubs with no corpticker talking about this enterprice, so happens, all of them happily found there way to this little thread? I think someone is seeking attention. Cute. Come here big boys, sit in my lap. Papa Misanth got hugs and candy..
Villwrath Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.09 12:04:00 - [40] Edited by: Villwrath on 09/02/2009 12:05:02 Originally by: Misanth insert Captain Picard-facepalm Random nubs with no corpticker talking about this enterprice, so happens, all of them happily found there way to this little thread? I think someone is seeking attention. Cute. Come here big boys, sit in my lap. Papa Misanth got hugs and candy.. Or perhaps, we saw the thread posted by someone who lost a Hulk, thought it was amusing and shared the link with our fellow corpmates.... just perhaps.
Huberek Morchu	Posted - 2009.02.09 13:43:00 - [41] Until they blow up your ship, its a scam. Ignore him. It appears he does use the destroyer attack however, but since hes in a corp, Im sure some mercs would like a fight. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Villwrath&id=5885096&page=1&filter=kills#mail
Alexia Xias	Posted - 2009.02.09 14:38:00 - [42] Originally by: Empire Godness I had a member lose their Hulk. It was rather unexpected, I thought we were safe in empire. I now however see that we are not. I have since contacted them about their offer. Yesterday while mining my corp mate seen them suicide someone else in the exact same belt as her. So it would appear they are true to their word. If you are concerned about the rate increasing the following term, eve mail me in one month. .... said the ALT
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2009.02.09 15:00:00 - [43] Originally by: Rai Deo 4-6 t1 fitted destroyers .. about 300k isk .. I advise you pay up. Argument from 'i mined the mins so they are free' school.. Some assumptions: - You can't cycle alts or trial accounts for consistent suiciding -> gotta be paid account - Instead of using shooting Hulks everyone could be doing something more profitable, let's say worth of 10-20M per hour So, if such high sec ops takes couple hours with 6 guys, how many Hulks you get to kill in that time, and how much loot that will yield? Default opportunity loss is already 60M-120M + ships (and sec status penalty, but thats not real penalty). The point being, such tactic isn't sustainable from pirates point of view; it only works if they get enough people paying for protection. Although paying such protection money is never wise from community point of view, it might be good for individual in some cases. Anyone can up more downsides from invidual's point of view? - Paying up marks you as 'likely to pay in the future' bracket for all enemy corp members, and increases likelyhood for future unrelated black mail attempts. - Gives the player the feeling of 'im paying, so im weaker than them' -Lasse finding Empire too unsafe
Kaya Valda Caldari Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.02.09 15:02:00 - [44] Originally by: Liczykrupa 1. I will not give isk-s to morons (however I have to admit they are very skilled fighters). Skilled? Since when is skill in Eve represented by highsec ganking an Exhumer? Originally by: Marshall Jannsen These pansy pirates can start hitting real high sec targets like freighters, or should just go back to running missions. Highsec ganking ≠ Piracy
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.09 15:02:00 - [45] Originally by: Neo Rainhart Yeah who are bydi I never heard of them? heh, checked this thread again. Heard of them, but hadn't heard of any of the posts I responded to, guess there's a reason why they let you turn corp tickers on
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.09 15:52:00 - [46] Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 09/02/2009 15:54:11 Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Rai Deo 4-6 t1 fitted destroyers .. about 300k isk .. I advise you pay up. Argument from 'i mined the mins so they are free' school.. Some assumptions: - You can't cycle alts or trial accounts for consistent suiciding -> gotta be paid account - Instead of using shooting Hulks everyone could be doing something more profitable, let's say worth of 10-20M per hour So, if such high sec ops takes couple hours with 6 guys, how many Hulks you get to kill in that time, and how much loot that will yield? Default opportunity loss is already 60M-120M + ships (and sec status penalty, but thats not real penalty). The point being, such tactic isn't sustainable from pirates point of view; it only works if they get enough people paying for protection. Although paying such protection money is never wise from community point of view, it might be good for individual in some cases. Anyone can up more downsides from invidual's point of view? - Paying up marks you as 'likely to pay in the future' bracket for all enemy corp members, and increases likelyhood for future unrelated black mail attempts. - Gives the player the feeling of 'im paying, so im weaker than them' -Lasse finding Empire too unsafe You are right about the alts thing. You are wrong about the rest. Also, if we're talking isk/h and such efficiency, nobody in EVE can compete with the 15-20m/h made by running missions/ratting. Originally by: Kaya Valda Originally by: Liczykrupa 1. I will not give isk-s to morons (however I have to admit they are very skilled fighters). Skilled? Since when is skill in Eve represented by highsec ganking an Exhumer? Originally by: Marshall Jannsen These pansy pirates can start hitting real high sec targets like freighters, or should just go back to running missions. Highsec ganking ≠ Piracy When he says pirates, i think he is referring to the security status of the individuals involved, and not the act.
Liz Laser	Posted - 2009.02.09 16:33:00 - [47] Edited by: Liz Laser on 09/02/2009 16:34:13 If people pay up, what's to keep Villwrath from making a similar threat to those payees with each of his alts? Just how many people will you pay 100 million a month to? Pretty soon every player will be using every one of their characters to demand protection money. Eventually, miners will have to buy dozens of GTCs and sell the PLEXes for isk just for the privelege of mining. :-)
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.09 17:41:00 - [48] Originally by: Liz Laser Edited by: Liz Laser on 09/02/2009 16:34:13 If people pay up, what's to keep Villwrath from making a similar threat to those payees with each of his alts? Just how many people will you pay 100 million a month to? Pretty soon every player will be using every one of their characters to demand protection money. Eventually, miners will have to buy dozens of GTCs and sell the PLEXes for isk just for the privelege of mining. :-) You pay for blue standings to BYDI and our blue standings..Which means you are safe from attacks from us.. How this works is that we add all we killed to our "buddy" list..Coming with threaths about doing it again wont work if we dont gank the same people over and over again.. So atm we are building up a client list..Then once we got enough customers we start using the locator agents to find you again.. All you got to do it pay once and be safe the next month.. And BYDI keeps it`s word as all our blue pass customers can confirm..
Alowishus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.02.09 17:55:00 - [49] Edited by: Alowishus on 09/02/2009 17:56:20 Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem Or join a 0.0 alliance. For some reason pirates are afraid of 0.0 You're a moron. 0.0 is where most of us came from. Then we got bored. However 0.0 is where a lot of us keep our alts. Remember that the next time you're on Vent / TS, you may be talking to me! /makes fart noise
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:02:00 - [50] Originally by: Ugluuk Originally by: Marshall Jannsen Considering I've never heard of these idiots, I'd guess that should you jump a few systems away, and keep an eye on local, you'll be fine. Suicide ganking hulks is hard to do in a cost effective manner, because nothing on the hulk is really worth all that much (and they can tank fairly effectively). These pansy pirates can start hitting real high sec targets like freighters, or should just go back to running missions. MOVE OUT TO 0.0 PEOPLE, IT'S NOT THAT HARD. These idiots you are reffering to is my corp..And your corp flew with us idiots in 0.0 1 year ago when Burn Eden let your corp of carebears into Terra Incognita. And since your corp and the other FLA people lacked huge understanding on what PVP is we left the alliance and went back to low sec.. Low sec is the place in Eve with most skilled pvp pilots..Not nublets like you who fly in big gangs and think 70mill Sp makes you a good pilot.. Bugger off little man.. fokkin pwned!!! fla didnt you elite pvpers play with BEAGLES too ?
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:07:00 - [51] hahaha dont get your panties in a knot! anyway - telling him to come say it himself when himself already said it isnt anything to do with grammer or language i think ugluuk ment,come to our home and "say it" to our face with guns blazing
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Alowishus Edited by: Alowishus on 09/02/2009 17:56:20 Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem Or join a 0.0 alliance. For some reason pirates are afraid of 0.0 You're a moron. 0.0 is where most of us came from. Then we got bored. However 0.0 is where a lot of us keep our alts. Remember that the next time you're on Vent / TS, you may be talking to me! This. I have experienced 0.0 combat in alliances, and imo lowsec piracy takes alot more skill, especially if you do it solo.
Gambuk	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:25:00 - [53] Lol... Vinny wants his money, capiche?
Liz Laser	Posted - 2009.02.09 20:45:00 - [54] Edited by: Liz Laser on 09/02/2009 20:49:53 Originally by: Ugluuk Originally by: Liz Laser Edited by: Liz Laser on 09/02/2009 16:34:13 If people pay up, what's to keep Villwrath from making a similar threat to those payees with each of his alts? Just how many people will you pay 100 million a month to? Pretty soon every player will be using every one of their characters to demand protection money. Eventually, miners will have to buy dozens of GTCs and sell the PLEXes for isk just for the privelege of mining. :-) You pay for blue standings to BYDI and our blue standings..Which means you are safe from attacks from us.. How this works is that we add all we killed to our "buddy" list..Coming with threaths about doing it again wont work if we dont gank the same people over and over again.. So atm we are building up a client list..Then once we got enough customers we start using the locator agents to find you again.. All you got to do it pay once and be safe the next month.. And BYDI keeps it`s word as all our blue pass customers can confirm.. Did anything in your post actually address the points I made? What keeps Villwrath from making a similar threat with every one of his alts? What keeps his "crew" from making a similar threat with every one of their alts? They'll have the client list, right? What keeps the rest of us from making a similar threat with each of our characters? How many people will a miner pay off for the privilege of mining? There seems to no limit to the number of people that can make a similar demand on a miner. If you hand a coin to a beggar on the streets of India you will suddenly find yourself surrounded and being chased by dozens of street urchins. I suspect paying to mine would yield a similar result.
Dawts Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.09 20:47:00 - [55] Originally by: Liz Laser Originally by: Ugluuk Originally by: Liz Laser Edited by: Liz Laser on 09/02/2009 16:34:13 If people pay up, what's to keep Villwrath from making a similar threat to those payees with each of his alts? Just how many people will you pay 100 million a month to? Pretty soon every player will be using every one of their characters to demand protection money. Eventually, miners will have to buy dozens of GTCs and sell the PLEXes for isk just for the privelege of mining. :-) You pay for blue standings to BYDI and our blue standings..Which means you are safe from attacks from us.. How this works is that we add all we killed to our "buddy" list..Coming with threaths about doing it again wont work if we dont gank the same people over and over again.. So atm we are building up a client list..Then once we got enough customers we start using the locator agents to find you again.. All you got to do it pay once and be safe the next month.. And BYDI keeps it`s word as all our blue pass customers can confirm.. Did anything in your post actually address the points I made? What keeps Villwrath from making a similar threat with every one of his alts? What keeps his "crew" from making a similar threat with every one of their alts? They'll have the client list, right? What keeps the rest of us making a similar threat with each of our characters? How many people will a miner pay off for the privilege of mining? There seems to no limit to the number of people that can make a similar demand on a miner. What stops anyone from doing anything?
Liz Laser	Posted - 2009.02.09 20:52:00 - [56] Edited by: Liz Laser on 09/02/2009 20:55:45 Results and the expectation of results. Consequences and the expectation of consequences. If you hand a coin to a beggar on the streets of India you will suddenly find yourself surrounded and being chased by dozens of street urchins. I suspect paying to mine would yield a similar result.[/
Dawts Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:00:00 - [57] Originally by: Liz Laser Edited by: Liz Laser on 09/02/2009 20:56:48 Results and the expectation of results. Consequences and the expectation of consequences. If you hand a coin to a beggar on the streets of India you will suddenly find yourself surrounded and being chased by dozens of street urchins. I suspect paying to mine would yield a similar result. Cool analogy, but it's a private transaction so who is going to know you paid for protection? Paying for protection/immunity is commonplace.
Liz Laser	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:04:00 - [58] The C & P forum, for this silly prospect. :-) And all the alts of everyone with access to the client list. Plus, anyone who sees someone in a hulk can do the same thing, regardless of whether they know if he's paid Villwrath.
Liz Laser	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:08:00 - [59] Originally by: Dawts Paying for protection/immunity is commonplace. In High Sec? "commonplace"? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, especially "protection" rather than the immunity that the OP was offered. But "commonplace"? Do you really want to assert that for high sec?
Dawts Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:10:00 - [60] The reason this can work is because they prove they can do it. They destroy your hulk and say "we'll do it again if you don't pay us" 1.It isn't an idle threat 2.They have no real reason to keep killing you, they've just brought a client onboard 3.They can move on to new targets to increase their clientele It's bad business to exploit/kill them after they paid.
Iwant Urstuff Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:16:00 - [61] I can't believe I'm doin thiz. Get second account. Use one slot for throw away character. Name him oh Dumbs**t, have thiz character come shoot you when you minin. Put a reasonable tank on dat Hulk. Concord is already there. It will help if ur in a newb corp. But if not Concorde will still be there. Sometimez I kill myself. !!!revo lla ti puah zld FFUTSRU tuaw op I
Liz Laser	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:17:00 - [62] Originally by: Dawts The reason this can work is because they prove they can do it. They destroy your hulk and say "we'll do it again if you don't pay us" 1.It isn't an idle threat 2.They have no real reason to keep killing you, they've just brought a client onboard 3.They can move on to new targets to increase their clientele It's bad business to exploit/kill them after they paid. It can work until everyone who can draw breath is behaving the same way simply because "it can work". The FOTM masses of Eve can ruin ANYTHING. Once again, how many people will a miner pay for the privilege of mining?
FOl2TY8 Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:18:00 - [63] I can confirm that BYDI does keep to their word, I am not an alt and I am not very good at PVP I had a quick question for you Ugluuk, if a corp pays you for blue settings do you then offer full protection services or does the blue setting only mean you will not attack? For instance, if one of your "clients" gets war-decced to you then protect said client? Just curious.... ---------- The six paths and the four lives....
Dawts Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:27:00 - [64] Originally by: Liz Laser Originally by: Dawts The reason this can work is because they prove they can do it. They destroy your hulk and say "we'll do it again if you don't pay us" 1.It isn't an idle threat 2.They have no real reason to keep killing you, they've just brought a client onboard 3.They can move on to new targets to increase their clientele It's bad business to exploit/kill them after they paid. It can work until everyone who can draw breath is behaving the same way simply because "it can work". The FOTM masses of Eve can ruin ANYTHING. Once again, how many people will a miner pay for the privilege of mining? How is it FOTM when pirates and 0.0 alliances have been doing it for a loooooong time? Bottom line, paying for immunity works if the extortionist keeps their word. Best case you lose a hulk and pay your fees, worse case you lose 2 hulks your fees, but you know that they can't be trusted, you post here and announce in local/forums that they are complete BS and no one pays.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Enterprises	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:33:00 - [65] The problem with this revolves around how many people you will end up having to pay off to mine. One group of 6 people and a couple destroyers. Not terribly difficult an operation to set up, so now someone has to pay off your group. Then another group, then another group... so on and so on. Soon people are paying 500-1 bil a month to what? Fire lasers at rocks? Bad scam is bad, anyone who pays is a fool its just not worth it.
Liz Laser	Posted - 2009.02.09 21:35:00 - [66] Originally by: Dawts Originally by: Liz Laser Originally by: Dawts The reason this can work is because they prove they can do it. They destroy your hulk and say "we'll do it again if you don't pay us" 1.It isn't an idle threat 2.They have no real reason to keep killing you, they've just brought a client onboard 3.They can move on to new targets to increase their clientele It's bad business to exploit/kill them after they paid. It can work until everyone who can draw breath is behaving the same way simply because "it can work". The FOTM masses of Eve can ruin ANYTHING. Once again, how many people will a miner pay for the privilege of mining? How is it FOTM when pirates and 0.0 alliances have been doing it for a loooooong time?. I'm not saying it is FOTM, yet, but if miners in high sec will pay to mine, then yes it will be FOTM, because EVERYONE will jump on that gravy train. The barrier to entry is practically nil. You can even do it and still stay in the noob corp. I've considered it in the past but dismissed it because of the same points I've brought up in this thread. Long term it is a fail, because I can't keep everyone else from jumping on the gravy train and driving miners out of the business. (There are no secrets in Eve). Short term, it's only a tad more interesting than camping gates.
lordstitch	Posted - 2009.02.09 22:11:00 - [67] Don't pay anything. As stated before there are ways of avoiding people like that. Its a no brainer. These people will continually hunt and haunt you if you do or don't. How many examples do we have right here on C&P of people that do not honor what they say? Just because someone sounds or seems honest with their intents doesn't mean anything...hell look at the situation... "the" -we won't kill you if you pay- is horse crap at best. If you pay your contributing to the factor most are trying to get rid of.
icewalls Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.09 22:37:00 - [68] Originally by: FOl2TY8 I can confirm that BYDI does keep to their word, I am not an alt and I am not very good at PVP I had a quick question for you Ugluuk, if a corp pays you for blue settings do you then offer full protection services or does the blue setting only mean you will not attack? For instance, if one of your "clients" gets war-decced to you then protect said client? Just curious.... I am pretty sure it is only that we will not attack when you are mining in highsec or when you travel to our space in lowsec. So, you can pay up and mine in lowsec if you want(I think, Villwrath has to confirm). We do not provide protection though, because we are not a merc corp.
FOl2TY8 Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.02.09 22:53:00 - [69] Originally by: icewalls Originally by: FOl2TY8 I can confirm that BYDI does keep to their word, I am not an alt and I am not very good at PVP I had a quick question for you Ugluuk, if a corp pays you for blue settings do you then offer full protection services or does the blue setting only mean you will not attack? For instance, if one of your "clients" gets war-decced to you then protect said client? Just curious.... I am pretty sure it is only that we will not attack when you are mining in highsec or when you travel to our space in lowsec. So, you can pay up and mine in lowsec if you want(I think, Villwrath has to confirm). We do not provide protection though, because we are not a merc corp. 0/ icewalls, we spent some time together when you where searching for my cloaked itty IV in Oddelulf awhile back. Has anybody in Eve actually tried to run a full on protection racket? I haven't seen anything about it on the forums and it seems like if you had enough active pilots you could probably make a good living on it. As I said, just curious don't have any invested interest in this thread apart from being on a few BYDI killmails. ---------- The six paths and the four lives....
Liz Laser	Posted - 2009.02.09 23:14:00 - [70] Originally by: FOl2TY8 Has anybody in Eve actually tried to run a full on protection racket? I haven't seen anything about it on the forums and it seems like if you had enough active pilots you could probably make a good living on it. As I said, just curious don't have any invested interest in this thread apart from being on a few BYDI killmails. I'd describe most of Sov space as a protection racket. At least as far as "pets". The key part in this thread is it's high sec. The industrialist school (where most miners start out and often stay) for my race has had no buzz about a high sec protection racket. The last time they were all a-twitter was back from jihad before the suicide gank nerf, and I suspect those were just jihadist shills.
Ryoken McKeon Galactic Defence Syndicate Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.09 23:16:00 - [71] Protection Racketeering is 4tw. Except when you suck at it. Then it's not 4tw.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.02.09 23:16:00 - [72] Originally by: Villwrath Edited by: Villwrath on 09/02/2009 12:05:02 Originally by: Misanth insert Captain Picard-facepalm Random nubs with no corpticker talking about this enterprice, so happens, all of them happily found there way to this little thread? I think someone is seeking attention. Cute. Come here big boys, sit in my lap. Papa Misanth got hugs and candy.. Or perhaps, we saw the thread posted by someone who lost a Hulk, thought it was amusing and shared the link with our fellow corpmates.... just perhaps. Srs cat 's srs bsnss.
FOl2TY8 Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.02.09 23:34:00 - [73] Originally by: Ryoken McKeon Protection Racketeering is 4tw. Except when you suck at it. Then it's not 4tw. You speak the truth... It would probably take a lot of very active pilots handling several war decs simultaneously to make this profitable. I'm sure it would be pretty fun while it lasted with almost constant pvp. Unless you suck at, it wouldn't be fun if you suck at it. ---------- The six paths and the four lives....
Revoluti0nx Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.02.10 02:27:00 - [74] Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 02:27:49 Be careful, i hear he is really good
Maddan69 Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:03:00 - [75] Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 02:27:49 Be careful, i hear he is really good Wow how many times are you guys in general gonna bring that loss up. I guess someone having a laps in memory is forbidden in this game. For shame for shame. If you want to know what happened, he was helping some people move ** and omg he forgot to switch his setup. Then when he undocked his dread for the fight his passive modules were hidden so he assumed he had his standard dread fit but by all means keep bringing it up. BYDI are supporters of A.R.G. Asteroid Rights Group Save a roid, kill a miner! Do your part to save the environment! also offering corpse extraction services**
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:11:00 - [76] Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 10/02/2009 03:11:48 Originally by: Liz Laser Edited by: Liz Laser on 09/02/2009 20:56:27 Originally by: Ugluuk Originally by: Liz Laser Edited by: Liz Laser on 09/02/2009 16:34:13 If people pay up, what's to keep Villwrath from making a similar threat to those payees with each of his alts? Just how many people will you pay 100 million a month to? Pretty soon every player will be using every one of their characters to demand protection money. Eventually, miners will have to buy dozens of GTCs and sell the PLEXes for isk just for the privelege of mining. :-) You pay for blue standings to BYDI and our blue standings..Which means you are safe from attacks from us.. How this works is that we add all we killed to our "buddy" list..Coming with threaths about doing it again wont work if we dont gank the same people over and over again.. So atm we are building up a client list..Then once we got enough customers we start using the locator agents to find you again.. All you got to do it pay once and be safe the next month.. And BYDI keeps it`s word as all our blue pass customers can confirm.. Did anything in your post actually address the points I made? What keeps Villwrath from making a similar threat with every one of his alts? What keeps his "crew" from making a similar threat with every one of their alts? They'll have the client list, right? What keeps the rest of us from making a similar threat with each of our characters? How many people will a miner pay off for the privilege of mining? There seems to no limit to the number of people that can make a similar demand on a miner. We have a ransom page for a lot of time now, and they all have been honored ... even that CNR for 2.5b in Hedaleolfarber - i think that guy was also an ex-FLA guy.
Villwrath Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:12:00 - [77] Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 02:27:49 Be careful, i hear he is really good At one point in time when BYDI first moved to the area, I thought Invicta had some class, in fact I even had some respect for them as a pvp corp. Then they joined Cry Havoc.
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:12:00 - [78] Edited by: oodin on 10/02/2009 03:13:42 Edited by: oodin on 10/02/2009 03:12:39 Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 02:27:49 Be careful, i hear he is really good that was a low blow revolution ..but if you ask your invicta directors they can remember when we was in outbreak and we lost a honortanking nyx ;)
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:22:00 - [79] Originally by: FOl2TY8 I can confirm that BYDI does keep to their word, I am not an alt and I am not very good at PVP I had a quick question for you Ugluuk, if a corp pays you for blue settings do you then offer full protection services or does the blue setting only mean you will not attack? For instance, if one of your "clients" gets war-decced to you then protect said client? Just curious.... If you pay blue pass to mine or do missions in low sec you pay for free passage only, but if we are close when you ask for help we will come if we got people.. If you pay blue pass for high sec we will not war dec or anything like that.. We will just stop chasing you with the suicide squad..
Revoluti0nx Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.02.10 04:32:00 - [80] Originally by: Villwrath Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 02:27:49 Be careful, i hear he is really good At one point in time when BYDI first moved to the area, I thought Invicta had some class, in fact I even had some respect for them as a pvp corp. Then they joined Cry Havoc. Go ahead. Just know we don't use cargo expander on our dreads.
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 04:48:00 - [81] Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 04:46:36 Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 04:36:52 Originally by: Villwrath Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 02:27:49 Be careful, i hear he is really good At one point in time when BYDI first moved to the area, I thought Invicta had some class, in fact I even had some respect for them as a pvp corp. Then they joined Cry Havoc. Go ahead and think what you like. Just know we don't use cargo expanders on our dreads. revolution please reply to my post too..2 jumps up
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.02.10 04:58:00 - [82] I'm sorry but your all missing the obvious.. if the... ooo... shiny shiny!
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 04:59:00 - [83] Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 04:46:36 Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 04:36:52 Originally by: Villwrath Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 02:27:49 Be careful, i hear he is really good At one point in time when BYDI first moved to the area, I thought Invicta had some class, in fact I even had some respect for them as a pvp corp. Then they joined Cry Havoc. Go ahead and think what you like. Just know we don't use cargo expanders on our dreads. He responded to a call for help without remembering he had travel fit from the day before, so what? It was the firepower he brought that secured 5 capital kills for BYDI.. But if you wanna talk down on people you should take a look at yourself aswell man.. Villwrath made a mistake but atleast he knows how to fly his ships so he dont loose a Hawk to a Manticore and a Rook to Dominix and Sabre..Unlike yourself..
Revoluti0nx Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.02.10 05:12:00 - [84] Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 05:14:54 :facepalm: at that nyx lol i want to see the km ugluuk, its just a joke. No need to get but hurt kid.
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:29:00 - [85] Originally by: Revoluti0nx Edited by: Revoluti0nx on 10/02/2009 05:25:12 :facepalm: at that nyx lol i want to see the km ugluuk, its just a joke. No need to get but hurt kid. Oh and if your really that pathetic to check my losses mister 1337, care to explain the huginn you lost to a hyp? couple of heavy neuts/neutrons with null/mwd and some speed and i guess alot of huggins can be in trouble..agree revo??
Revoluti0nx Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:34:00 - [86] Seem's a little silly for a neutron hyp to have a few heavy neuts.
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:37:00 - [87] Originally by: Revoluti0nx Seem's a little silly for a neutron hyp to have a few heavy neuts. maybe he refit to kill the hugg..all i say it is possible but im pretty sure ug will do a 1v1 against you if you ask.. FRAPS!!
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:41:00 - [88] to that hulk that warped out 5 sec before we landed on him and caused us to return home without loot and chased by the navy ever do that again were petitioning him for griefing!!
Revoluti0nx Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:41:00 - [89] I couldn't give a rats ass to 1v1. Now wheres this nyx km :P
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:43:00 - [90] Originally by: Revoluti0nx I couldn't give a rats ass to 1v1. Now wheres this nyx km :P poor seahorse died moving our stuff
icewalls Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:45:00 - [91] Originally by: FOl2TY8 Originally by: icewalls Originally by: FOl2TY8 I can confirm that BYDI does keep to their word, I am not an alt and I am not very good at PVP I had a quick question for you Ugluuk, if a corp pays you for blue settings do you then offer full protection services or does the blue setting only mean you will not attack? For instance, if one of your "clients" gets war-decced to you then protect said client? Just curious.... I am pretty sure it is only that we will not attack when you are mining in highsec or when you travel to our space in lowsec. So, you can pay up and mine in lowsec if you want(I think, Villwrath has to confirm). We do not provide protection though, because we are not a merc corp. 0/ icewalls, we spent some time together when you where searching for my cloaked itty IV in Oddelulf awhile back. Has anybody in Eve actually tried to run a full on protection racket? I haven't seen anything about it on the forums and it seems like if you had enough active pilots you could probably make a good living on it. As I said, just curious don't have any invested interest in this thread apart from being on a few BYDI killmails. HEY! i do remember you, whats up!! Im pretty much set in terms of cash but protection racket benefits the corp so I don't have a problem with it(It replaces dessies that we lost + more). Whenever ccp comes out with a new patch, they take something from us, so we try to take away from their loyal fanbase of carebears :)
mishkof Caldari Dirty Denizens	Posted - 2009.02.10 07:43:00 - [92] hehe waves to villwrath
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 07:58:00 - [93] Tarkili > lame m8, hope you got good alliance relations with goon swarm, cos I have :P
hellsknights SniggWaffe	Posted - 2009.02.10 08:11:00 - [94] Edited by: hellsknights on 10/02/2009 08:12:10 Ummmm.....I think the person above stole my Dominix......... lol Better frame it, you know im a star that Domi is gonna grow in value and fast.
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 08:16:00 - [95] Originally by: hellsknights Edited by: hellsknights on 10/02/2009 08:12:10 Ummmm.....I think the person above stole my Dominix......... lol Better frame it, you know im a star that Domi is gonna grow in value and fast. i actually felt bad taking YOUR stuff hells and the domi kicks ass ;) affa
hellsknights SniggWaffe	Posted - 2009.02.10 08:18:00 - [96] Not a bad setup, get a set of slaves and it rocks even harder. Enjoy the ship you scammed it fair and square
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 08:20:00 - [97] Originally by: hellsknights Not a bad setup, get a set of slaves and it rocks even harder. Enjoy the ship you scammed it fair and square nahh i never plug in more then a mil or 2 in my head
hellsknights SniggWaffe	Posted - 2009.02.10 08:22:00 - [98] Might be better that way, many people these days seem to want that pod of yours..
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 08:24:00 - [99] Originally by: hellsknights Might be better that way, many people these days seem to want that pod of yours.. why me?? my pod is cheap so np ;)
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 08:49:00 - [100] today mine4refine lost his 2nd hulk within a 1 day period..3 times a charm?? PAY THA MAN!!!
Qui Janador Black Serpent Technologies Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.02.10 08:51:00 - [101] Posting in a BYDI thread. Long time no see for you guys when I was in. And o/ to all the new members. How's it going Ug? I still need to come back to the corp, but it's been some fun in 0.0. Hahahah. Originally by: Joshua Foiritain ITS ON THEE FOERUMS SO ITS MOEST BE TROE? Pure. Win.
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 09:07:00 - [102] Originally by: Qui Janador Posting in a BYDI thread. Long time no see for you guys when I was in. And o/ to all the new members. How's it going Ug? I still need to come back to the corp, but it's been some fun in 0.0. Hahahah. he sucks and doesnt like us anymore hes either playing with his kid,doing moonlights walks with his soon to be wife,hates camping and laughs at our hulkamania gangs tbh i think hes still roaming around in 0.0 solo, mumbling something about where tha hell 2005 is but we love him
Jalif Black Sinisters Freedom of Elbas	Posted - 2009.02.10 09:50:00 - [103] HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH CLASSIC Really Nice BYDI! For those who don't know them. Trust their word, their quality of each member compared to whatever corporation is one of the highest. Sure, they do make losses but ones you face them on a fair vs fair battle the only thing you going to do is **** in your pants. I flew with these guys and a word of advise, when they say it, its serious!. Now just pay the bloody 100mil so you can keep on mining for new ships that we can destroy. /me waves to BYDI o/
Liczykrupa	Posted - 2009.02.10 11:47:00 - [104] don't pay scundrels - they are desperate to get money http://ituroncavalry.com/killboard/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=869&view=kills and everything is clear - they are loosers loosing more than gaining their effectivnes is: Damage done (ISK):4717.21M Damage received (ISK):12971.7M
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2009.02.10 12:34:00 - [105] The thing is, making this thread makes you a target for them to show everyone they can. best thing is to ignore it and be very cagey till they get bored. (I didn't read the rest of this thread and don't plan too)
Liczykrupa	Posted - 2009.02.10 13:07:00 - [106] Originally by: z0de The thing is, making this thread makes you a target for them to show everyone they can. best thing is to ignore it and be very cagey till they get bored. I don't care being their target as I stopped to mine and found exploration more interesting and more profitable (yes - I have skills). Good luck for them to find cloaked Buzzard in middle of nowhere...
Maddan69 Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 13:33:00 - [107] Originally by: Liczykrupa don't pay scundrels - they are desperate to get money http://ituroncavalry.com/killboard/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=869&view=kills and everything is clear - they are loosers loosing more than gaining their effectivnes is: Damage done (ISK):4717.21M Damage received (ISK):12971.7M The reason BYDI effiency is so low is because of the cap fight we had against Invicta and friends. Everywhere we go people nap with each other to fight us but that doesnt bother us. We are pretty much a stand alone corp. Here is a link to our campaign since we moved out of Molden Heath. [I suck at linking] http://bydi.griefwatch.net/?p=campaigns&campaign=4475 Also post with your main...
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:55:00 - [108] The horse is dead ... stop hitting him, he can't do anything now, blood is coming out and all that. We know we suck, Vill fits cargo expanders on his Moros because he heard they hold extra ammo, i can't afford to lose anything above cruiser size, icewalls will not manage to scramble with onyx a static indy, oodin could have stolen so much more if he had waited a tad more - personal opinion here, we even get mentioned in passing on championship because of our suckiness if not by name than by 'some of their friends'. What's worse is that if we don't make a profit on this, we won't be able to pay the office at home, the repo man will come and all our assets will be theirs ! It's a dead horse, now pls ... let's talk about paying tha man ! --- I smack just for myself. * Your signature file is to large. Please note: we do not allow signature files larger than 24000 bytes - Fallout
Villwrath Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 18:22:00 - [109] Originally by: Liczykrupa their effectivnes is: Damage done (ISK):4717.21M Damage received (ISK):12971.7M No idea where your pulling your numbers from mate but they are grossly inaccurate. Let's take a look at: http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/corp-Beyond+Divinity+Inc-kills.html and remember... PAY THA MAN !
Heriom Gallente Middleton and Mercer LLP Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.10 21:58:00 - [110] Originally by: kor anon This. I have experienced 0.0 combat in alliances, and imo lowsec piracy takes alot more skill, especially if you do it solo. True, but 0.0 takes bigger balls. 99% of the time you can't be podded in low sec unless you are very stupid. In 0.0 you risk those spiffy pirate implants on every jump.
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 22:27:00 - [111] Originally by: Heriom Originally by: kor anon This. I have experienced 0.0 combat in alliances, and imo lowsec piracy takes alot more skill, especially if you do it solo. True, but 0.0 takes bigger balls. 99% of the time you can't be podded in low sec unless you are very stupid. In 0.0 you risk those spiffy pirate implants on every jump. first rule i learnt in eve..dont fly what you cant afford to loose..so balls isnt a issue,its the wallet ;)
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 22:38:00 - [112] Edited by: Ugluuk on 10/02/2009 22:39:26 Originally by: Revoluti0nx Oh and if your really that pathetic to check my losses mister 1337, care to explain the huginn you lost to a hyp? That one was a noob mistake i did..I was gonna bump the Hyperion from gate and tackle.. Bumped him and by this time he had lock on me ofc but no aggro, then a frig and zealot came to the gate, locked me and jumped.. So i decided to warp out, the hyp scrammed and webbed so i decided to jump as i was on gate still but had session change cause of the aborted warp.. 2 volleys and pop.. Stupid loss but it happens.. Then i got pist off ofc so i went back in a Megathron: http://bydi.griefwatch.net/?p=engagement&kill=1902
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 22:44:00 - [113] Originally by: Heriom Originally by: kor anon This. I have experienced 0.0 combat in alliances, and imo lowsec piracy takes alot more skill, especially if you do it solo. True, but 0.0 takes bigger balls. 99% of the time you can't be podded in low sec unless you are very stupid. In 0.0 you risk those spiffy pirate implants on every jump. We visit 0.0 every now and then but no reason for us to live there as a small corp in no alliance.. But most people that fought BYDI and know us actually fought us in 0.0.. 3 years in 0.0..Then 1 year now in low sec..
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.11 12:46:00 - [114] I need money, pls pay ! --- I smack just for myself. * Your signature file is to large. Please note: we do not allow signature files larger than 24000 bytes - Fallout
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.11 17:56:00 - [115] Originally by: Muad' Dib I need money, pls pay ! LIES!! sell some of those sexy faction ships you fly around in like a frikkin pimp!!
Alenar Rumanev Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.12 07:07:00 - [116] Edited by: Alenar Rumanev on 12/02/2009 07:07:51 Originally by: Liczykrupa don't pay scundrels - they are desperate to get money http://ituroncavalry.com/killboard/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=869&view=kills and everything is clear - they are loosers loosing more than gaining their effectivnes is: Damage done (ISK):4717.21M Damage received (ISK):12971.7M And one more set of links to point out your relative fail: Battleclinic Rankings: BYDI is no. 50 on the all time list, a comfy 21,000 points above VETO Battleclinic Rankings: Invicta weighs in at a tepid 278 over all Battlecinic Rankings: And the entire Cry Havoc alliance has a ***ping 300k fewer points than us, despite the nap train, blob power, and their reported MS killing "prowess" The nay sayers will question the accuracy of our griefwatch killboard perhaps, but we don't use battleclinic, those are not our posts, and those numbers don't lie. Fail less, blob less, and fight more. Edit: and post with your main for cryin out loud.
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.12 12:08:00 - [117] pubbies killin pubbies a shameful pubbie

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