| Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
WhiteTiger
   |
Posted - 2004.08.04 17:23:00 -
[31]
Supply and Demand... really to nice see that the market really works. I doubt CCP will do much to stop this as I think this is what they want. With the tech1 market it was so easy to oversupply the market that the prices always drop to the lowest possible price, CCP have said several times this is not what they want.
Cap recharger 2 prices... WHY? Simple - cap relay nerf/armor tank patch. Everybody wants them now. If you where smart you should have seen this coming and bought a pile before the patch.
|
WhiteTiger
|
Posted - 2004.08.04 17:23:00 -
[32]
Supply and Demand... really to nice see that the market really works. I doubt CCP will do much to stop this as I think this is what they want. With the tech1 market it was so easy to oversupply the market that the prices always drop to the lowest possible price, CCP have said several times this is not what they want.
Cap recharger 2 prices... WHY? Simple - cap relay nerf/armor tank patch. Everybody wants them now. If you where smart you should have seen this coming and bought a pile before the patch.
|
Dirtball
|
Posted - 2004.08.04 18:03:00 -
[33]
don't buy the tech 2 items then.
Honestly if I get a tech 2 blueprint with my 4 research agents, I'm keeping the product "in house" meaning I'm not even going to bother selling any of them.
I'd do BYOM deals though with people I knew or people in my alliance (if I was in an alliance).
|
Dirtball
|
Posted - 2004.08.04 18:03:00 -
[34]
don't buy the tech 2 items then.
Honestly if I get a tech 2 blueprint with my 4 research agents, I'm keeping the product "in house" meaning I'm not even going to bother selling any of them.
I'd do BYOM deals though with people I knew or people in my alliance (if I was in an alliance).
|
Grimpak
|
Posted - 2004.08.04 18:38:00 -
[35]
2 simple reasons:
rarity of T2 components and not much T2 BPO's out there. T2 producers don't have that much of profit margin with the stupid prices on T2 components.
-------------------
 Quote:
Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
|
Grimpak
|
Posted - 2004.08.04 18:38:00 -
[36]
2 simple reasons:
rarity of T2 components and not much T2 BPO's out there. T2 producers don't have that much of profit margin with the stupid prices on T2 components.
-------------------
Quote:
Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
|
Mrissa Easeah
|
Posted - 2004.08.04 19:48:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Grimpak
2 simple reasons:
rarity of T2 components and not much T2 BPO's out there. T2 producers don't have that much of profit margin with the stupid prices on T2 components.
I'd posit a variation on this actually. The Rarity of tech 2 components, -and- the slowly increasing number of tech 2 bpo's, as they trickle out. Demand for components is going up with each new T2 bpo recipient entering the market, driving the component prices up, while supply of the components remains even - drops from missions haven't increased to compensate for the new Tech 2 bpo's additional needs.
A side issue is a few of the new module bpo's require other -rare- bpo's or missing bpo components as part of their production requirements (Covert Ops Cloak, Energized Magnetic Membrane, etc.).
|
Mrissa Easeah
|
Posted - 2004.08.04 19:48:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Grimpak
2 simple reasons:
rarity of T2 components and not much T2 BPO's out there. T2 producers don't have that much of profit margin with the stupid prices on T2 components.
I'd posit a variation on this actually. The Rarity of tech 2 components, -and- the slowly increasing number of tech 2 bpo's, as they trickle out. Demand for components is going up with each new T2 bpo recipient entering the market, driving the component prices up, while supply of the components remains even - drops from missions haven't increased to compensate for the new Tech 2 bpo's additional needs.
A side issue is a few of the new module bpo's require other -rare- bpo's or missing bpo components as part of their production requirements (Covert Ops Cloak, Energized Magnetic Membrane, etc.).
|
Delacho
|
Posted - 2004.08.04 23:43:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Hanse Davion
The components are being sold for 10x to 100x their value, so of course Tech2 builders are factoring in that cause on top of their manufacturing costs.
components are being sold at their value, and currently their value is 10 to 100 times higher then the value of the ores it contains.
|
Delacho
|
Posted - 2004.08.04 23:43:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Hanse Davion
The components are being sold for 10x to 100x their value, so of course Tech2 builders are factoring in that cause on top of their manufacturing costs.
components are being sold at their value, and currently their value is 10 to 100 times higher then the value of the ores it contains.
|
Feta Solamnia
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 00:22:00 -
[41]
True, profit margins are getting smaller with the day.
Did anyone see the recent price drive on construction components?
near 100% on ion thrusters and 50% on on fusion thrusters in less than 2 weeks.
gravitons shot up to 150k within that period too, plasma thrusters from 5-6k buy price to 11k in some regions.
The list is huge.
If you think that crows are overpriced at 12m, wait for another 2-3 weeks, then we'll talk about "Insurance doesn't cover the 20m I paid for my crow".
|
Feta Solamnia
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 00:22:00 -
[42]
True, profit margins are getting smaller with the day.
Did anyone see the recent price drive on construction components?
near 100% on ion thrusters and 50% on on fusion thrusters in less than 2 weeks.
gravitons shot up to 150k within that period too, plasma thrusters from 5-6k buy price to 11k in some regions.
The list is huge.
If you think that crows are overpriced at 12m, wait for another 2-3 weeks, then we'll talk about "Insurance doesn't cover the 20m I paid for my crow".
|
Eldar Curunirr
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 01:29:00 -
[43]
I think the whole Tech II BPO lottery is just plain stupid. All it does is make the people who "win" this lottery absolutely rich and everyone else has to pay up to 5 times what its worth, just because there are only a few BPOs. I think it should be done differently, why not have NPCs drop them, rarely, but they still drop them.
Eldar
|
Eldar Curunirr
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 01:29:00 -
[44]
I think the whole Tech II BPO lottery is just plain stupid. All it does is make the people who "win" this lottery absolutely rich and everyone else has to pay up to 5 times what its worth, just because there are only a few BPOs. I think it should be done differently, why not have NPCs drop them, rarely, but they still drop them.
Eldar
|
MOOstradamus
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 03:35:00 -
[45]
/me thinks everything is running PERFECTLY
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
|
MOOstradamus
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 03:35:00 -
[46]
/me thinks everything is running PERFECTLY
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
|
Faul Eulysaile
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 08:07:00 -
[47]
T2 components are rare and often given out in small quantities and you are never certain of what components you are going to get.
|
Faul Eulysaile
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 08:07:00 -
[48]
T2 components are rare and often given out in small quantities and you are never certain of what components you are going to get.
|
Estios
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 10:29:00 -
[49]
Components are the reason, either they are not dropping enough (which is what i suspect) or agent runners have all got together and are having a right laugh as they bath in the manufacturers money
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
|
Estios
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 10:29:00 -
[50]
Components are the reason, either they are not dropping enough (which is what i suspect) or agent runners have all got together and are having a right laugh as they bath in the manufacturers money
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
|
Aelita
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 11:04:00 -
[51]
Thanks. Posted ideas here drive me in conclusion there is lack of supply for T2 components. As more BPO for T2 is released demand for components is upped, but by my experience CCP did dry T2 components because drop rate is far behind drop rate post Castor patch.
Another clue I get from certain answers like "If I get T2 BPO I will sit on it and make production only for alliance and BYOM to my friends". I'm expecting this will be overlooked by designers because I don't expect that was original plan for releasing BPO. I don't see reason why CCP would release BPO which will not been used.
|
Aelita
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 11:04:00 -
[52]
Thanks. Posted ideas here drive me in conclusion there is lack of supply for T2 components. As more BPO for T2 is released demand for components is upped, but by my experience CCP did dry T2 components because drop rate is far behind drop rate post Castor patch.
Another clue I get from certain answers like "If I get T2 BPO I will sit on it and make production only for alliance and BYOM to my friends". I'm expecting this will be overlooked by designers because I don't expect that was original plan for releasing BPO. I don't see reason why CCP would release BPO which will not been used.
|
Mikelangelo
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 11:22:00 -
[53]
Quote:
Another clue I get from certain answers like "If I get T2 BPO I will sit on it and make production only for alliance and BYOM to my friends". I'm expecting this will be overlooked by designers because I don't expect that was original plan for releasing BPO. I don't see reason why CCP would release BPO which will not been used.
How is this not using the BPO? If somebody only produces modules for a subset of the market, that subset is STILL part of the market.
Also, those modules will get to the general market, just slower. Perhaps only by the modules being dropped by destroying an alliance ship. That will make things slower, but it will contribute to the exclusivity of Tech 2.
Remember how people were making various posts about how they DIDN'T want tech 2 to be just like the previous Miner 2 fiasco?
|
Mikelangelo
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 11:22:00 -
[54]
Quote:
Another clue I get from certain answers like "If I get T2 BPO I will sit on it and make production only for alliance and BYOM to my friends". I'm expecting this will be overlooked by designers because I don't expect that was original plan for releasing BPO. I don't see reason why CCP would release BPO which will not been used.
How is this not using the BPO? If somebody only produces modules for a subset of the market, that subset is STILL part of the market.
Also, those modules will get to the general market, just slower. Perhaps only by the modules being dropped by destroying an alliance ship. That will make things slower, but it will contribute to the exclusivity of Tech 2.
Remember how people were making various posts about how they DIDN'T want tech 2 to be just like the previous Miner 2 fiasco?
|
PaulLRyan
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 12:21:00 -
[55]
Well from my limited experience I'd say there are two main reasons.
First is the fact that something seems to have happened to agent mission rewards. A couple of weeks ago I was getting Tech II components and other reasonably usefull small BPO's (ammo and the like). I even had a couple of Implants. Over this last week I've got nothing but isk with the odd 30,000 rounds of small lead ammo or a few light missiles. I'm probably doing more missions at the moment because of a couple of setbacks that have cost me about 40Mil isk between them  So, for me at least, the supply has dried up.
Second is that I'm seeing a lot of intercepter BPC's being sold. This has increased the number of players who are looking for compnents to build them. I suspect that there is also a 'catch 22' situation here where people see the huge price of an intercepter so are hanging onto the few parts they have hoping to be able to cut a deal with a producer when they want to get thier intercepter.
I have also spoken to a few other people that are full time agent runners and I know that at least one is sitting on large piles of tech II components. The best reason they can give me is that they don't need the money so don't have to sell them. I don't think this is a recent change though I think these people have been hoarding them from the start.
I know that I am considering storing my claw in the hanger because if I loose it then it will be almost impossible to get another one. Looks like it might be back to the rifter for those level 3 missions 
PL
===============================================
2004.07.04 20:52:32 combat Your 720mm Prototype I Siege Cannon perfectly strikes Blood Raider, wrecking for 417.6 damage.
===============================================
|
PaulLRyan
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 12:21:00 -
[56]
Well from my limited experience I'd say there are two main reasons.
First is the fact that something seems to have happened to agent mission rewards. A couple of weeks ago I was getting Tech II components and other reasonably usefull small BPO's (ammo and the like). I even had a couple of Implants. Over this last week I've got nothing but isk with the odd 30,000 rounds of small lead ammo or a few light missiles. I'm probably doing more missions at the moment because of a couple of setbacks that have cost me about 40Mil isk between them So, for me at least, the supply has dried up.
Second is that I'm seeing a lot of intercepter BPC's being sold. This has increased the number of players who are looking for compnents to build them. I suspect that there is also a 'catch 22' situation here where people see the huge price of an intercepter so are hanging onto the few parts they have hoping to be able to cut a deal with a producer when they want to get thier intercepter.
I have also spoken to a few other people that are full time agent runners and I know that at least one is sitting on large piles of tech II components. The best reason they can give me is that they don't need the money so don't have to sell them. I don't think this is a recent change though I think these people have been hoarding them from the start.
I know that I am considering storing my claw in the hanger because if I loose it then it will be almost impossible to get another one. Looks like it might be back to the rifter for those level 3 missions
PL
===============================================
2004.07.04 20:52:32 combat Your 720mm Prototype I Siege Cannon perfectly strikes Blood Raider, wrecking for 417.6 damage.
===============================================
|
Toran Mehtar
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 12:55:00 -
[57]
Originally by: PaulLRyan
Second is that I'm seeing a lot of intercepter BPC's being sold. This has increased the number of players who are looking for compnents to build them. I suspect that there is also a 'catch 22' situation here where people see the huge price of an intercepter so are hanging onto the few parts they have hoping to be able to cut a deal with a producer when they want to get thier intercepter.
The reason you're seeing lots of interceptor bpcs being sold is that the bpo holders can't make enough money out of building the 'ceptor to make it worth their time and effort. Selling bpcs is currently a much easier way to make money from the bpo, almost purely due to the current component issues.
|
Toran Mehtar
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 12:55:00 -
[58]
Originally by: PaulLRyan
Second is that I'm seeing a lot of intercepter BPC's being sold. This has increased the number of players who are looking for compnents to build them. I suspect that there is also a 'catch 22' situation here where people see the huge price of an intercepter so are hanging onto the few parts they have hoping to be able to cut a deal with a producer when they want to get thier intercepter.
The reason you're seeing lots of interceptor bpcs being sold is that the bpo holders can't make enough money out of building the 'ceptor to make it worth their time and effort. Selling bpcs is currently a much easier way to make money from the bpo, almost purely due to the current component issues.
|
Caeli Maren
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 15:35:00 -
[59]
I'm a tech 2 producer, and I agree with the consensus here. The reason *most* tech 2 ships/modules are expensive is because the components are. Theres simply too much competition and too little supply for the current market. An example of this is 1mn Afterburner IIs which cost around 800k to build each. Thats a 25% increase in production cost in just 2 weeks. This does not include modules like the Cap Recharger II which is expensive solely due to immense demand, and perhaps reduced supply.
In addition to this, CCP added waste to the components in tech 2 production. That in itself amounts for probably a 5% increase in demand right there. More and more people are trained for interceptors now, so demand is much higher than it used to be.
This situation won't last forever though. CCP has mentioned in one of the recent csm chats that they're planning a variety of ways to increase the availability of components. The examples they gave were rewards in complexes, black market sales, and even convoy drops. If any of the new level 4 agent missions give components as rewards, then that also will probably increase the supply considerably. Until Shiva though, I expect this to keep on rising.
|
Caeli Maren
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 15:35:00 -
[60]
I'm a tech 2 producer, and I agree with the consensus here. The reason *most* tech 2 ships/modules are expensive is because the components are. Theres simply too much competition and too little supply for the current market. An example of this is 1mn Afterburner IIs which cost around 800k to build each. Thats a 25% increase in production cost in just 2 weeks. This does not include modules like the Cap Recharger II which is expensive solely due to immense demand, and perhaps reduced supply.
In addition to this, CCP added waste to the components in tech 2 production. That in itself amounts for probably a 5% increase in demand right there. More and more people are trained for interceptors now, so demand is much higher than it used to be.
This situation won't last forever though. CCP has mentioned in one of the recent csm chats that they're planning a variety of ways to increase the availability of components. The examples they gave were rewards in complexes, black market sales, and even convoy drops. If any of the new level 4 agent missions give components as rewards, then that also will probably increase the supply considerably. Until Shiva though, I expect this to keep on rising.
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |