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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.08.04 09:14:00 -
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Please, is here any T2 producer who can place light on it? What is reason for charging so high prices?
1st Are T2 components for build so expensive. Does these components more than 50% of price
2nd Are too few producers on market? How many BPO for one item CCP spread out?
3rd Does certain people only hold BPO and not using it for self or public?
4th Does someone hold monopoly by buing same BPO to eliminate competitors?
5th Could be reason limited supply components to build on
6th Are producers greedy?
I see oposite situation to T1 BPOs. In T1 items there is too many competitors and prices are only margin of profit above production cost. Actually I see prices for ships getting steadily upped and profit margin going from 10% (before few months) to fair 20-30% as it is now. In T2 items I see another extreme there is not enough quantity on market and profit for builders seems to be at least 200% and above. I hate when things going from wall to wall, like in life I prefer golden path (something between).
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.08.04 09:14:00 -
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Please, is here any T2 producer who can place light on it? What is reason for charging so high prices?
1st Are T2 components for build so expensive. Does these components more than 50% of price
2nd Are too few producers on market? How many BPO for one item CCP spread out?
3rd Does certain people only hold BPO and not using it for self or public?
4th Does someone hold monopoly by buing same BPO to eliminate competitors?
5th Could be reason limited supply components to build on
6th Are producers greedy?
I see oposite situation to T1 BPOs. In T1 items there is too many competitors and prices are only margin of profit above production cost. Actually I see prices for ships getting steadily upped and profit margin going from 10% (before few months) to fair 20-30% as it is now. In T2 items I see another extreme there is not enough quantity on market and profit for builders seems to be at least 200% and above. I hate when things going from wall to wall, like in life I prefer golden path (something between).
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.08.04 09:49:00 -
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Because people are buying at these prices... Tech 2 is a luxury, not an every day thing.
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.08.04 09:49:00 -
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Because people are buying at these prices... Tech 2 is a luxury, not an every day thing.
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rowbin hod
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Posted - 2004.08.04 09:51:00 -
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not yet anyway......
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rowbin hod
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Posted - 2004.08.04 09:51:00 -
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not yet anyway......
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"Due to the European lard shortage, we are currently unable to supply this product." |
Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.08.04 09:59:00 -
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T2 is worth paying for imo since it has many benefits, i accept they cost a lot but its also a lot of hassle to buy t2 components and trawl around for the research agents finding stuff to improve your lottery chances. T2 is rare which is why its so expensive, i expect t2 prices will come down eventually when there is more compettition.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.08.04 09:59:00 -
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T2 is worth paying for imo since it has many benefits, i accept they cost a lot but its also a lot of hassle to buy t2 components and trawl around for the research agents finding stuff to improve your lottery chances. T2 is rare which is why its so expensive, i expect t2 prices will come down eventually when there is more compettition.
Death to the Galante |
Venril
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Posted - 2004.08.04 10:19:00 -
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If you would look at the cost of someone building these modules as to the selling price you would see that T2 BPOs, BPC owners are sitting back laughing and saying look at these chumps buying our stuff. Look at the killer money were making.
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Venril
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Posted - 2004.08.04 10:19:00 -
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If you would look at the cost of someone building these modules as to the selling price you would see that T2 BPOs, BPC owners are sitting back laughing and saying look at these chumps buying our stuff. Look at the killer money were making.
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Marquedios
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Posted - 2004.08.04 10:22:00 -
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Sitting back and laughing? I think not man. It is quite a hassle to find components at a reasonable cost and its an aweful lot to keep track of compaired to T1 production which just uses 7 minerals.
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Marquedios
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Posted - 2004.08.04 10:22:00 -
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Sitting back and laughing? I think not man. It is quite a hassle to find components at a reasonable cost and its an aweful lot to keep track of compaired to T1 production which just uses 7 minerals.
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xthril
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Posted - 2004.08.04 10:24:00 -
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I just had a look at the price of those graviton reeactor units for the crow yesterday. They where priced at 350k each and 35 of them is needed for the crow. Guess it is the agent runners who love this :-D
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xthril
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Posted - 2004.08.04 10:24:00 -
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I just had a look at the price of those graviton reeactor units for the crow yesterday. They where priced at 350k each and 35 of them is needed for the crow. Guess it is the agent runners who love this :-D
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.08.04 10:25:00 -
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I'd love to have a Money Printer II BPO, but it certainly requires some skill in marketing and production. You have to understand the fundamentals of supply and demand, or else you're going to be shoved out of profit by someone else with the same BPO.
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.08.04 10:25:00 -
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I'd love to have a Money Printer II BPO, but it certainly requires some skill in marketing and production. You have to understand the fundamentals of supply and demand, or else you're going to be shoved out of profit by someone else with the same BPO.
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2004.08.04 12:34:00 -
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its monopoly...
the number of bpo's distributed by research agents are few enough to create a monopoly on the market...
The only way to counter that monopoly is to refuse buying at inflated prices
...new sig coming up
Ravenal - Fate is what you make of it. |
Ravenal
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Posted - 2004.08.04 12:34:00 -
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its monopoly...
the number of bpo's distributed by research agents are few enough to create a monopoly on the market...
The only way to counter that monopoly is to refuse buying at inflated prices
...new sig coming up
Ravenal - Fate is what you make of it. |
Krendig
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Posted - 2004.08.04 13:52:00 -
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Speaking as an agent runner, I've been getting just about squat for tech II comps for the last month.
That may be the real problem.
As for graviton reactor units, it's not surprising they're impossible to find, given the zydrine prices I've been seeing.
The problem with Tech II is this:
Getting the minerals/comps needed to produce tech II items is such a pain that you have to charge way more than most people are willing to pay for the useful, but small, increase in capability.
The "Capacitor Recharger II" is currently selling for 7m in most places. Is that what it takes to build it? I have no idea. I can't *find* a large armor repairer II on the market.
In short, we have new technology being dribbled out to the playerbase, with the non-manufacturable items required for it, being given out in such a way to guarantee shortages. The EVE economy system is on the verge of collapsing, because the dev's *want* megacorps to be able to lock down the market.
As with most things EVE related, I like the concepts, but I question the implementations.
--Krendig
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Krendig
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Posted - 2004.08.04 13:52:00 -
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Speaking as an agent runner, I've been getting just about squat for tech II comps for the last month.
That may be the real problem.
As for graviton reactor units, it's not surprising they're impossible to find, given the zydrine prices I've been seeing.
The problem with Tech II is this:
Getting the minerals/comps needed to produce tech II items is such a pain that you have to charge way more than most people are willing to pay for the useful, but small, increase in capability.
The "Capacitor Recharger II" is currently selling for 7m in most places. Is that what it takes to build it? I have no idea. I can't *find* a large armor repairer II on the market.
In short, we have new technology being dribbled out to the playerbase, with the non-manufacturable items required for it, being given out in such a way to guarantee shortages. The EVE economy system is on the verge of collapsing, because the dev's *want* megacorps to be able to lock down the market.
As with most things EVE related, I like the concepts, but I question the implementations.
--Krendig
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.08.04 14:04:00 -
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I think it's worth pointing out that not all tech II item prices are shooting through the roof. Items like cap recharger II, however, are items that everybody wants, and therefore the price reflects the demand.
The price on some components is a major issue aswell. Some less popular items are not even being produced because the demand for the components they require (i.e. needed for more useful things) pushes the production costs too high.
Why would you use graviton reactors to build anything but a 13 mil Crow ? (for example).
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.08.04 14:04:00 -
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I think it's worth pointing out that not all tech II item prices are shooting through the roof. Items like cap recharger II, however, are items that everybody wants, and therefore the price reflects the demand.
The price on some components is a major issue aswell. Some less popular items are not even being produced because the demand for the components they require (i.e. needed for more useful things) pushes the production costs too high.
Why would you use graviton reactors to build anything but a 13 mil Crow ? (for example).
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.08.04 14:19:00 -
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First, of all...If you need T2 Parts...for anytime in the near future...just buy them now...the supply will keep getting smaller, as players hunt, fight wars, and those who mine still mine.... Agent Runners are getting fewer in recent days....
I personally have been buy up what I can afford around several regions.... Stock Piling for the interceptors I want to build for my use later on...(less than a month away)
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.08.04 14:19:00 -
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First, of all...If you need T2 Parts...for anytime in the near future...just buy them now...the supply will keep getting smaller, as players hunt, fight wars, and those who mine still mine.... Agent Runners are getting fewer in recent days....
I personally have been buy up what I can afford around several regions.... Stock Piling for the interceptors I want to build for my use later on...(less than a month away)
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Roderic Excelion
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Posted - 2004.08.04 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Roderic Excelion on 04/08/2004 16:19:02
 Originally by: Marquedios
Sitting back and laughing? I think not man. It is quite a hassle to find components at a reasonable cost and its an aweful lot to keep track of compaired to T1 production which just uses 7 minerals.
??? what are you on about? I have over 50 cofferent components at about 30 volume, and they cost me -3 Million. The tech 1 parts are cheap, and if I ever got a T2 BPO Id sell if for 200% the tech 1 item, as I'm pretty sure Id still make more that 100% profit. If your feeling nice, just give me a BPC or 2, I'll soon make the prices drop...
Edit: corrected dyslexia caused spelling mistakes (thanks mom  )
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Roderic Excelion
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Posted - 2004.08.04 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Roderic Excelion on 04/08/2004 16:19:02
Originally by: Marquedios
Sitting back and laughing? I think not man. It is quite a hassle to find components at a reasonable cost and its an aweful lot to keep track of compaired to T1 production which just uses 7 minerals.
??? what are you on about? I have over 50 cofferent components at about 30 volume, and they cost me -3 Million. The tech 1 parts are cheap, and if I ever got a T2 BPO Id sell if for 200% the tech 1 item, as I'm pretty sure Id still make more that 100% profit. If your feeling nice, just give me a BPC or 2, I'll soon make the prices drop...
Edit: corrected dyslexia caused spelling mistakes (thanks mom )
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Hanse Davion
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Posted - 2004.08.04 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aelita
Please, is here any T2 producer who can place light on it? What is reason for charging so high prices?
1st Are T2 components for build so expensive. Does these components more than 50% of price
The components are being sold for 10x to 100x their value, so of course Tech2 builders are factoring in that cause on top of their manufacturing costs.
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2nd Are too few producers on market? How many BPO for one item CCP spread out?
I have yet to see what th count on how many of each Tech2 BPO they are releasing. Personally I think there are 2 few for the current number of players, but this is just my opinion, based on a lack of specific information.
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3rd Does certain people only hold BPO and not using it for self or public?
See my answer to your 1st question. I personally know 3 people with Interceptor BPOs that are just sitting on them. Why because the cost/supply of components just don't make building them worth the effort.
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4th Does someone hold monopoly by buing same BPO to eliminate competitors?
I doubt it, no point to it. Even though there may not be enough BPOs in the pipeline. Those that are there are more then enough if components were not so over priced.
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I see oposite situation to T1 BPOs. In T1 items there is too many competitors and prices are only margin of profit above production cost. Actually I see prices for ships getting steadily upped and profit margin going from 10% (before few months) to fair 20-30% as it is now. In T2 items I see another extreme there is not enough quantity on market and profit for builders seems to be at least 200% and above. I hate when things going from wall to wall, like in life I prefer golden path (something between).
I agree, what you see is a result of finally introducing some specialization. Most people will eventually have ALL the skills trained. Till this happens most of us have to chose between maxing combat, social, building, or research skills when it comes to Tech2 and above.
Since the training times on these skills are so extreme (could stand to be even more extreme if you ask me) We are finally seeing a situation where not everyone can do everything with a noob character. For example, I have 3 Interceptor BPCs in my stash, but since I can't fly them I'm just sitting on the BPCs. It will take me 2 months to train the skills I need to fly them and another month to train the skills to build them.
2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage. |
Hanse Davion
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Posted - 2004.08.04 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aelita
Please, is here any T2 producer who can place light on it? What is reason for charging so high prices?
1st Are T2 components for build so expensive. Does these components more than 50% of price
The components are being sold for 10x to 100x their value, so of course Tech2 builders are factoring in that cause on top of their manufacturing costs.
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2nd Are too few producers on market? How many BPO for one item CCP spread out?
I have yet to see what th count on how many of each Tech2 BPO they are releasing. Personally I think there are 2 few for the current number of players, but this is just my opinion, based on a lack of specific information.
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3rd Does certain people only hold BPO and not using it for self or public?
See my answer to your 1st question. I personally know 3 people with Interceptor BPOs that are just sitting on them. Why because the cost/supply of components just don't make building them worth the effort.
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4th Does someone hold monopoly by buing same BPO to eliminate competitors?
I doubt it, no point to it. Even though there may not be enough BPOs in the pipeline. Those that are there are more then enough if components were not so over priced.
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I see oposite situation to T1 BPOs. In T1 items there is too many competitors and prices are only margin of profit above production cost. Actually I see prices for ships getting steadily upped and profit margin going from 10% (before few months) to fair 20-30% as it is now. In T2 items I see another extreme there is not enough quantity on market and profit for builders seems to be at least 200% and above. I hate when things going from wall to wall, like in life I prefer golden path (something between).
I agree, what you see is a result of finally introducing some specialization. Most people will eventually have ALL the skills trained. Till this happens most of us have to chose between maxing combat, social, building, or research skills when it comes to Tech2 and above.
Since the training times on these skills are so extreme (could stand to be even more extreme if you ask me) We are finally seeing a situation where not everyone can do everything with a noob character. For example, I have 3 Interceptor BPCs in my stash, but since I can't fly them I'm just sitting on the BPCs. It will take me 2 months to train the skills I need to fly them and another month to train the skills to build them.
2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage. |
Meridius
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Posted - 2004.08.04 16:43:00 -
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Tech 2 being expensive while it 'was' new was fine. A lot of people use t2 stuff as standard equipment now. Cap charger 2's for 6mil is just retarded since i bought mine for 1mil a piece a few months ago.
Prices should fall not rise, it is completely ****** up. I'm not sure how it works but i dont see why t2 producers should be making like 5mil profit on one cap charger just because they have some lvl 5 skills and luck with lottery. I don't know a lot about production so if they are doing something uber leet that i have missed out on let me know
I think they have made enough, time to bring prices down CCP.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.08.04 16:43:00 -
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Tech 2 being expensive while it 'was' new was fine. A lot of people use t2 stuff as standard equipment now. Cap charger 2's for 6mil is just retarded since i bought mine for 1mil a piece a few months ago.
Prices should fall not rise, it is completely ****** up. I'm not sure how it works but i dont see why t2 producers should be making like 5mil profit on one cap charger just because they have some lvl 5 skills and luck with lottery. I don't know a lot about production so if they are doing something uber leet that i have missed out on let me know
I think they have made enough, time to bring prices down CCP.
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