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snohi
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Posted - 2009.02.08 18:12:00 -
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Thanks for the email CCP. I think its a bad move to remove Linux support when Linux is a growth area. Many people I know are fed up with Microsoft and Windows and looking to move to Linux. Even Microsoft themselves are scared of Linux that they're recruiting someone to do something about it. The fact that there are not enough players on the Linux platform at the moment is not a good enough argument for dropping support. CCP should be actively marketing EVE on Linux. Players that were contemplating moving to Linux from Windows/MAC now face the issue that EVE is not going to be supported.
I tried running the Windows Clients under Wine. It didn't work - couldn't scroll down the Terms and Condition Window.
I tried running it in Windows XP on a Virtual Machine under Linux - nothing happened
I initially started playing EVE Online because it was one of the few games that did offer Linux support, so I'm thoroughly disappointed now and feel I have no choice but to cancel my subscription, for what is otherwise an excellent game.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.08 18:13:00 -
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You will always have the other players  |
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Genya Arikaido
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Posted - 2009.02.08 18:20:00 -
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Try asking more about setting up win32 EVE in wine in the Linux forum, THere's a lot of us who do this. As for me, win32 over wine has always worked better than the native Linux client... |
Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2009.02.08 18:21:00 -
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Can't say I'm surprised with the soon to be released disk being hybrid and the lack of *any* reply by *any* dev to questions about the status of the Linux client. That severely sux.
Still i can only urge you to jump back into the current Linux forum and post your problems. I'm pretty sure your fellow Linux mates can help you out running EVE through wine.
Good luck!
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.02.08 18:22:00 -
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Good riddance tbfh, linux whingers are the bane of many a game community. |
Bish Ounen
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.08 18:25:00 -
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Well CCP, Here's a Clue for you:
If your "Official" client for Linux is such a sodding hunk of absolute DRECK that people have better luck using WINE and just rolling their own setup, then WHY WOULD YOU BE SURPRISED when NOBODY in their right mind would use it?
Ye Gods, it's as though you actually TRIED to DRIVE AWAY Linux users!
Here's a Second clue for you:
There are PLENTY OF LINUX USING PLAYERS OUT THERE. They are ALL using WINE. How about you simply offer official support of the client in WINE? Unlike the abysmal "official" client it actually works, and you won't come off as a bunch of pricks paying lip service to the Linux community.
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2009.02.08 18:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Akor Flandres
Good riddance tbfh, linux whingers are the bane of many a game community.
Park whatever you are flying 4 KM deep into an astroid and for crying out loud stay there.
Originally by: AkRoYeR
...the beauty of EvE. You have to live on the edge all the time. If you don't stay frosty, you will die!
Best game ever!
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.08 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
How about you simply offer official support of the client in WINE? Unlike the abysmal "official" client it actually works, and you won't come off as a bunch of pricks paying lip service to the Linux community.
Depends what you mean by "officially support" — they can't distribute it for legal reasons, from what I understand, since it relies on a number of Windows libraries. However, that shouldn't keep them from supporting it in the sense of good old-fashioned tech-support. |
Grapez
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2009.02.08 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: grapez on 08/02/2009 18:57:11
Okay, if WINE runs Eve just as well or better than CCP's own client, then why should CCP continue supporting the linux client?
WINE, from CCP's standpoint, is free, already has a long history of success and a large development group. While it would be cool for CCP to build an actual, native Linux client for Eve, that would require a ton of work, the least of which would be to rewrite the entire renderer in OpenGL.
So, OP, don't leave Eve just because their 'official' support for Linux is ending. Just do like so many others do, and download WINE and install Eve through that.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.08 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Bish Ounen
How about you simply offer official support of the client in WINE? Unlike the abysmal "official" client it actually works, and you won't come off as a bunch of pricks paying lip service to the Linux community.
Depends what you mean by "officially support" ù they can't distribute it for legal reasons, from what I understand, since it relies on a number of Windows libraries. However, that shouldn't keep them from supporting it in the sense of good old-fashioned tech-support.
That's basically what I mean. Put up standard install instructions for the major distros (Fedora, Suse, Ubuntu), for setting up the EVE client in WINE. Offer basic TBshooting help on the Linux forums, and let the community handle the rest.
Not hard, and minimal money input, PROVIDED that you have at least one CCP employee dedicated to actually HELPING Linux users.
It wouldn't hurt to have a dual-boot box set up at CCP HQ for testing client point releases too. Again, MIMINAL money output for a large money and goodwill return. |
Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2009.02.08 19:04:00 -
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That's just a plain shame.
But like they say, life will go on. |
Bodhisattvas
Counter Errorist Unit
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Posted - 2009.02.08 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Bodhisattvas on 08/02/2009 19:14:49
Originally by: snohi
Thanks for the email CCP. I think its a bad move to remove Linux support when Linux is a growth area. Many people I know are fed up with Microsoft and Windows and looking to move to Linux. Even Microsoft themselves are scared of Linux that they're recruiting someone to do something about it. The fact that there are not enough players on the Linux platform at the moment is not a good enough argument for dropping support. CCP should be actively marketing EVE on Linux. Players that were contemplating moving to Linux from Windows/MAC now face the issue that EVE is not going to be supported.
I tried running the Windows Clients under Wine. It didn't work - couldn't scroll down the Terms and Condition Window.
I tried running it in Windows XP on a Virtual Machine under Linux - nothing happened
I initially started playing EVE Online because it was one of the few games that did offer Linux support, so I'm thoroughly disappointed now and feel I have no choice but to cancel my subscription, for what is otherwise an excellent game.
Last time I used eve under linux I was using latest fedora distro. If your using
an ati card then it can be problematic for drivers if its one of the newer cards.
Nvidia doesn't seem to be so much of an issue, this of course relates to enabling
the 3d functionality.
The problem you had with unable to proceed past terms and conditions relates to not
having windows fonts installed in linux. If your dual booting linux and windows
its not to difficult a process to install them in linux as fedora for instance
allows you to poke around in your windoze directories. Instructions are lurking
in the eve linux client forum.
Performance is still a bit of an issue as I found a hit of about 10-15 fps between
the wondoze client and the linux one, this is pretty much irrelevant if your using
a newer faster card anyhow.
If your installing under wine then its recommended just to use the normals windows
client instead of the soon to be none existant supposed linux friendly installation client.
I found the wine eve client to be pretty stable but never tried running 2 windowed clients.
Occassional graphics glitches were noticed but nothing that involved my dying to hypnotic
states of euphoria induced by psychedelic pretty coloured grpahics as my gpu melted
under the burden of eve in a wine linux enviroment.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.02.08 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/02/2009 19:16:30
Most people dont want to move to Linux, they dont see the advantages. The only thing they care about is having a system that works all the time, and that is as easy to use as a television. Windows 7 will get a lot of users because its easy to use and have a million dialog boxes and popup boxes.
I wouldnt market something specifically for Linux either. Although I run it myself and love it, I know exactly why most people dont and I understand their choice. Not everyone is like me with my interests. But I think laptop manufacturers at least could offer to sell their machines without a operating system so people dont have to pay for Windows by default.
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Bodhisattvas
Counter Errorist Unit
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Posted - 2009.02.08 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Most people dont want to move to Linux, they dont see the advantages. The only thing they care about is having a system that works all the time, and that is as easy to use as a television. Windows 7 will get a lot of users because its easy to use and have a million dialog boxes and popup boxes.
I wouldnt market something specifically for Linux either. Although I run it myself and love it, I know exactly why most people dont and I understand their choice. Not everyone is like me with my interests.
Main advantage is its free with a plethoria of almost any applications you can think of.
Compatibility with windoze applications file types is good and even then using wine
you can install many native windows apps.
I took one of my many "bill gates is a right ****" eppy fits just recently but was stuck
on only one issue regarding chucking my vista installation in the bin. Activex not being
on linux, relating to logging into my company email. Easily circumnavigated tho by very
easily installing explorer 6 under wine. For your average home user there really is no
reason not to at least try linux.
Linux distro installations these days are downloaded for free and for the best part work
as soon as they are installed. As long as you have internet anything else after that is
just a case of googling forums on anything else you want to setup. Either that or pay a
lot less than windoze for a boxed version of linux with user support.
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.02.08 19:28:00 -
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Why should CCP bend over to the will of a bunch of self righteous cheap ass linux users?
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Grapez
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2009.02.08 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Akor Flandres
Why should CCP bend over to the will of a bunch of self righteous cheap ass linux users?
CCP's not bending to the will of anyone. All of the necessary work has already been done. By other people. For free.
Do you image that Linux users roam the city streets, beating poor defenseless Windows users and extoring small software companies?
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Bodhisattvas
Counter Errorist Unit
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Posted - 2009.02.08 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Akor Flandres
Why should CCP bend over to the will of a bunch of self righteous cheap ass linux users?
Damn Bill gates plays eve everyone 
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.02.08 19:42:00 -
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EVE is designed for DirectX, Linux isn't.
So no major surprise the support got dropped as rewriting EVE in OpenGL isn't an option.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.08 19:42:00 -
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Why maek not Eve cleint open srouce? Open soruce clinet may be batter.
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Aricaan
Gallente
Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.02.08 19:45:00 -
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And in an attempt to add salt to the wound,
Mac gets Premium next month
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.02.08 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Why maek not Eve cleint open srouce? Open soruce clinet may be batter.
Hey, IDIOT TROLL ALERT. Are you for real?
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Celem Oryno
T'n'C Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:02:00 -
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Since the official client is terrible, I think it's a good thing that CCP remove it.
Wine and Crossover are just better. Eve is "officialy" supported by both programs so why care about this change ? Most linux users are tweakers and are used to the Google thing so it may not take too long for them to figure out how to play Eve using Wine or Crossover.
It would have been great if CCP had announced a partnership (or something like that) with the Wine's developper team or with Codeweavers though. |
Fiire Watch
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Akor Flandres
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Why maek not Eve cleint open srouce? Open soruce clinet may be batter.
Hey, IDIOT TROLL ALERT. Are you for real?
Mongoloids have feelings.
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Hariya on 08/02/2009 20:10:40
I always run the Windows client on Linux, because it is/was more stable and performed better. I got constantly 60fps with all settings maxed out on Linux so I was always happy with it. The Wine folks have really taken up patching Wine so that it runs new client versions fast after they are released.
CCP's decision is correct. Perhaps they should make a small donation to the volunteers that tweak the official Wine though, to make people happy and keep on doing what they do.
Btw to the absolutely clueless Mashie Saldana, the difference between OpenGL and Direct3D is semantic at most. It's still all about asking the display adapter to for instance draw a ball with certain bitmap texture and so on. Such rewrites are possible, and in the past for instance Icculus (one extremely talented programmer that knows both OpenGL/OpenSDL/OpenAL/etc and DirectX) has ported complete games with couple days of work. It's not a massive task really but almost a mechanical transformation.
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D'wayne
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:16:00 -
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Why not just dual-boot Linux for main OS activites and Windows (XP, Vista or Win 7) for games (or just Eve).
A lot of folks I know who swear by Linux admit they just boot into Windows if they want to play a game. More time mining veld / blowing up dreads, less time fiddling around with settings.
I can see that Macs are slightly different, as the average Mac user is less likely to know how to dual-boot than the average Linux user.
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Grapez
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hariya
Btw to the absolutely clueless Mashie Saldana, the difference between OpenGL and Direct3D is semantic at most. It's still all about asking the display adapter to for instance draw a ball with certain bitmap texture and so on. Such rewrites are possible, and in the past for instance Icculus (one extremely talented programmer that knows both OpenGL/OpenSDL/OpenAL/etc and DirectX) has ported complete games with couple days of work. It's not a massive task really but almost a mechanical transformation.
Point taken, but in the era of shaders this has gotten LOTS harder. You'll notice that Icculus's work was all done when both APIs were in their infancy, so the differences between the two were small, and hence made rewrites (relatively) simple. Now, not so much.
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Shevar
Minmatar
Target Practice incorporated
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: snohi
Thanks for the email CCP. I think its a bad move to remove Linux support when Linux is a growth area. Many people I know are fed up with Microsoft and Windows and looking to move to Linux. Even Microsoft themselves are scared of Linux that they're recruiting someone to do something about it. The fact that there are not enough players on the Linux platform at the moment is not a good enough argument for dropping support. CCP should be actively marketing EVE on Linux. Players that were contemplating moving to Linux from Windows/MAC now face the issue that EVE is not going to be supported.
I tried running the Windows Clients under Wine. It didn't work - couldn't scroll down the Terms and Condition Window.
I tried running it in Windows XP on a Virtual Machine under Linux - nothing happened
I initially started playing EVE Online because it was one of the few games that did offer Linux support, so I'm thoroughly disappointed now and feel I have no choice but to cancel my subscription, for what is otherwise an excellent game.
I kinda agree but the problem is Eve is directx :S.
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Hung Farlow
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Celem Oryno
Most linux users are tweakers and are used to the Google thing
Yeah, I never got the whole Google thing when I was sober... before Linux.
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farfrael
Freelancer Union
Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:22:00 -
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the ONLY reason the number of linux users came low is because the official linux client was so bad that the large majority of linux players were using an "unofficial" solution (wine).
CCP does NOT count people using the "unofficial" client as linux users
Right now, a straw poll gives a 4:1 ratio for unofficial:official clients (i.e. 4 people using the unofficial client for each official client).
there's no other way to put this CCP: you suck
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:25:00 -
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Akor, I am not stoopid. Yuo are vewy hostil to the idae on Eve opeon soruce. It si alle gut. Eve is chaep to maek if open sauce. Also open soruce maek Eve bettar liek gut UI, festar adn runs every wehre.
Look at frei office, it is chaep, gut and easi to use. So waht is wriong on Eve opern souce?
I say mien head, now you. 
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