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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I say mien head, now you. 
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Dari Anoh
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:37:00 -
[32]
I never managed to get the "official" Linux client to work properly, while I did manage to get EVE running with Wine. I actually purchased Cedega some time ago hoping that would allow me to play EVE on my Ubuntu system, but I'm quite dissatisfied with the way they (Cedega) conduct their business. In that regard I never liked CCP teaming up with them to provide this official client that I couldn't get running properly anyhow.
Result: I honestly can't shed a tear over CCP dropping the "official" Linux client, and will instead hope for the best when it comes to getting the new Premium Lite client to run with Wine. In the meantime, I dual boot to *shudder* Windows Vista just for EVE Online and Warhammer and use Ubuntu for everything else. |
Intakstor
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Intakstor on 08/02/2009 20:42:04
Originally by: Akor Flandres
Good riddance tbfh, linux whingers are the bane of many a game community.
You are a r*tard |
rValdez5987
Amarr
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:46:00 -
[34]
Originally by: snohi
Thanks for the email CCP. I think its a bad move to remove Linux support when Linux is a growth area. Many people I know are fed up with Microsoft and Windows and looking to move to Linux. Even Microsoft themselves are scared of Linux that they're recruiting someone to do something about it. The fact that there are not enough players on the Linux platform at the moment is not a good enough argument for dropping support. CCP should be actively marketing EVE on Linux. Players that were contemplating moving to Linux from Windows/MAC now face the issue that EVE is not going to be supported.
I tried running the Windows Clients under Wine. It didn't work - couldn't scroll down the Terms and Condition Window.
I tried running it in Windows XP on a Virtual Machine under Linux - nothing happened
I initially started playing EVE Online because it was one of the few games that did offer Linux support, so I'm thoroughly disappointed now and feel I have no choice but to cancel my subscription, for what is otherwise an excellent game.
just purchase windows xp and use a dual boot.
Most intelligent people don't limit themselves to one system as all systems no matter how good or bad have strong and weak points. Diversified software is a good thing. |
Postlatta Mouseanon
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:56:00 -
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Facts:
1. If the Official EVE client ran as badly on Macs as is does on Linux you wouldn't have any Mac people using it.
2. The lack of Official Linux Client users might be directly caused by quality issues.
In short I've run EVE on Ubuntu, Fedora Core, RHE 4/5, Kbuntu... pretty much all the biggies including Suse. The official client is a garbage fest. If the Windows client ran that badly EVE would close.
While CCP may have just thrown their hands in the air over getting the client to work well enough to be production quality, if I were the project manager (And I do that stuff for a living) I'd be looking at why there is no Linux uptake. Could it be something other than lack of Linux users? Probably. In fact it's a definite.
In my corporation alone there are 7 (SEVEN) accounts that would be happy to run a Linux client rather than dual boot. This is why they do not:
1. Official client is mostly unusable.
2. EVE under Wine works, but can take some time to configure and get right. (In other words a windows install takes less time)
CCP can (and should) hire a couple of code monkeys to get their windows client running under GPL'd wine so there is support for it. They could provide a binary version of wine simply preconfigured to for use with EVE. It's not major coding here- it's an installer and a config. In fact the tweaked wine package and EVE client could be distributed separately which avoids any GPL legal mess.
Well- my advice means nothing- they've never used it before. But between this and dropping SM 1.0 I question their judgment.
I hope they prove me wrong.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:04:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon
Facts:
1. If the Official EVE client ran as badly on Macs as is does on Linux you wouldn't have any Mac people using it.
The Linux client runs much better than the Mac client, sadly.
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FREE Explorer
Lead Megalomanic
EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map
http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
farfrael
Freelancer Union
Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon
Facts:
1. If the Official EVE client ran as badly on Macs as is does on Linux you wouldn't have any Mac people using it.
The Linux client runs much better than the Mac client, sadly.
But they have no easily available alternative
CCP mistake was getting involved with the wrong people, i.e. Cedega instead of wine/crossover and refusing to acknowledge the direction they were going in was not working properly.
Now, they are reaping the results (their official client sucked so badly nobody wants to use it) and sadly, instead of taking an objective look at the situation (plenty of people use linux, just not your **** client) they'll keep the "nobody uses linux" party line
wish they had talked to people using linux before making that big official announcement
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Nik W
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:13:00 -
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TBH, as a Linux user this doesn't bother me at all. I show up on CCPs logs as a Windows user b/c I'm running the Windows client under Wine. The official Linux version is a crap fest, as is Cedega in general. I don't think the Cedega team has ever done a regression test in their life. So long as they can get the next big game working ASAP who cares if you break an older game.
The only way to properly support Linux would be to re-write the thing in OpenGL, and I'm not holding my breath on that. That said, the Eve UI does need a severe overhaul (read re-write) anyways, and I hope CCP is considering their options on that front. With QT going LGPL soon, they could realistically do it.
For now, let's keep the Wine team on their toes with regards to Eve. It's one of the most popular apps in their database, so the fact is there are people playing Eve in Linux, just not on the crap 'official' client.
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Kendrix Arathan
Minmatar
N00bs With Guns
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Akor Flandres
Why should CCP bend over to the will of a bunch of self righteous cheap ass linux users?
Show me on the doll where linux touched you...
Cause bending over for microsoft and their herd of sheep (nice wool btw) is a much better idea
Originally by: StevieSG
Verone looks like data from star trek. that is all.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:17:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon
Facts:
1. If the Official EVE client ran as badly on Macs as is does on Linux you wouldn't have any Mac people using it.
The Linux client runs much better than the Mac client, sadly.
So in other words, the Linux client runs perfectly?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:21:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon
Facts:
1. If the Official EVE client ran as badly on Macs as is does on Linux you wouldn't have any Mac people using it.
The Linux client runs much better than the Mac client, sadly.
So in other words, the Linux client runs perfectly?
The official client? No, it doesn't support Premium among other things. But it's a hell of a lot faster and much more stable.
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Lead Megalomanic
EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map
http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Cheap Henchman
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:28:00 -
[42]
I've been running the official client not knowing people were still rolling their own.
As long as there is a way to run it under Wine, I'm good, but does this announcement mean it won't with the upcoming update?
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:07:00 -
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The conspiracy theorist in me tells me Microsoft is paying big bucks to CCP to stop supporting Linux.
Removing support for cedega client is fine, now WINE is a compatibility layer, just assign ONE person in your QA dept to ran basic tests in a linux box under WINE and you will keep all of us happy.
CCP: I am not going to install Windows in my machine... EVER, not even to play this game. I only considered playing this game when it became available in Linux. The day your game stops running in my linux box (under WINE or whatever), is the day I cancel my accounts.
So whatever you guys do with your client, make damn sure it runs under WINE at least.
P.S.: No, nobody will have my stuff since i would not be able to connect anymore :-p
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:32:00 -
[44]
Well CCP doesnt handel the entire linux client entirely, credega or whatever they're called have a hand in it too, and I guess they are dropped the offical linux support because thier partners wont get off thier lazy rear ends and keep up with ccp. |
Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:37:00 -
[45]
My question is whether or not they're actually taking into account players who play on one OS but run EVE in a virtual machine as I do with WINE for linux and Parallels for OSX.
If the numbers truly are not there to justify the continuation of a client, then I understand. At least CCP gave it a shot. But what if the numbers are not there because the client sucks and/or they don't count guested systems and everyone who would love to play on linux or osx natively can't do so because they're driven away by the unplayable state both clients are usually in?
Also - shocker - since CCP is a Microsoft shop right down to their SQL server. |
Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:54:00 -
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I for one welcome the ending of the official Linux client.
Or rather I welcome the honesty of ending that instead of saying it's there but not doing much with it.
Also it's always been redundant. It never ever worked better than the windows version on wine - and the latter works fine.
I assume most Linux EVE players already use wine - so it doesn't really make much difference.
It would be nice to provide pre-patch access to test versions of the client so the wine guys have a chance of fixing problems in time for the next patch.
But except for a while after Trinity and just for the premium version even that wasn't a problem.
OP: If you can't see EULA that sounds like the mstcorefonts arial problem.
Did you check the stickies in the Linux section?
I've been playing EVE via wine for over 3 years and very satisfied with it. I never even re-installed - just copied the EVE folder from my windows system before that got wiped.
Linux use is growing - but from a low base and it still is a small fraction of the market - and surely even smaller for the gaming section of the total market. I can understand why it's not yet worth investing money in for gaming companies.
Meanwhile wine is getting better all the time. |
Sevarus James
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:56:00 -
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In the linux forum CCP indicated they are NOT checking for the registry key that says "wine" or "windows".
They have NO metrics on wine/linux usage. NONE. The only numbers they are looking at are the cedega "official" numbers, and because no one in their right mind (for the most part) are using that client any longer, they assume linux users aren't playing.
This tells me that 1. CCP really didn't care beyond a marketing ploy, 2. Transgaming can't program their way out of a paper bag with a razor blade in hand,
and 3. CCP's metrics gathering is half assed at best. (starbase exploits anyone? -sorry couldn't resist that dig.)
The loss of official support is not an issue for most of us because there really WASN'T official support other than what TG did and that amounted to what, 4 posts in 1.5 years? lmao.
Go check the linux forums. Other than the new announcement regarding the drop of support, we haven't had a dev response in there in 7 months. Support? Maybe legally against a lawsuit, but from the heart/HONEST support? Never.
Crossover Games lists EVE as "officially supported". It runs under crossover games, and as an officially supported application, support via wine/crossover has been better and will continue to BE BETTER than anything coming from Iceland (ccp) or Canada (TG) anyway.
We ran EVE for two years prior to this "official" debacle, and I personally think we may be better off without the "official" support tag from CCP, as long as they leave our linux forum open so we can HELP EACH OTHER as we have been doing all along.
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OffBeaT
Caldari
LEGI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:05:00 -
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hmm.. after win7 i don't think anyone is gona remember Linux and they know it..
some things just had there time..
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Neutrino Sunset
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:02:00 -
[49]
Lol! Why, is Win7 gonna be open source? (Rhetorical question for those not quick on the uptake).
In terms of what has or hasn't 'had its time' I've heard rumours that MS aren't planning to make another OS after Win7. Perhaps they've finally realized their limitations, after all, surely nobody could possibly create a better OS than Vista!! 
Anyway from what I've seen and heard Win7 is nothing more than Vista SP3, which I think stands a fair chance of becoming its unofficial nickname.
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Murasaki Kyudoka
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:50:00 -
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Even though you never offered a true Linux client, I am very
disappointed to hear that you are getting rid of Linux support for your
game. I say that you never offered a true Linux client because through
your partnership with Transgaming you offered us the Windows version of
Eve with a version of Cedega that will only run Eve. Futhermore, the
Windows content that you offered as the 'Linux' client was, I feel,
needlessly limited to the classic graphics content. I believe that the
reason that the Linux client never became very popular is because Eve
worked better in Wine than it did in the 'native' Cedega client and we
could get the premium graphics content to work without any drop in
performance.
I believe that it is a mistake to end Linux support for Eve. Since both
the Linux and Windows versions used Windows binaries, I can only assume
that they were using the same code base. In order for you to fix any
glitches in 'Linux' client these fixes would go back into the Windows
client and improve the playing experience for those of us using Wine.
Cedega was forked from Wine several years ago so they have the same code
base and fixes for one would generally fix the other. Since you are
going to stop providing fixes for Cedega glitches those of us who use
Wine are going to start to suffer and I can see Eve's Wine rating of
Gold http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=9971
becoming a distant memory. Please reconsider.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT
hmm.. after win7 i don't think anyone is gona remember Linux and they know it..
some things just had there time..
Some people are just trolls too. win 7 is vista as it 'should have been'. I'm testing the beta in a virtual machine, and its still windows, and its still gonna cost bucks and its still got viral susceptibility. Is it better than vista? yep. Will it be better than linux? Not until they toss the legacy code they have in currently and open source it. Will it replace many linux desktops? sincerely doubt it. Its just not that great an OS.
As for linux support, as long as CCP maintains dx9 standards, there should be no reason that EVE will not work under wine. There may be some glitching with SISI clients and such, but in general we've had to deal with those problems in the wine community for a long time. |
Kiay Stryx
Gallente
Phoenix Mandate
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Posted - 2009.02.09 03:11:00 -
[52]
I never had any problems with Ubuntu, Wine and Eve Online.
I used to run 4 clients, each on it's own desktop, at 1900x1200.
Switched back to Windows after major problems with audio support, wireless and no Linux vent.
~Stryx |
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CCP Navigator
C C P
CCP
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Posted - 2009.02.09 12:50:00 -
[53]
Please keep comments and queries regarding the changes to Linux support in this thread.
Thank you.
Navigator
Senior Community Representative
CCP Games,
Email / Netfang
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