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Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:33:00 - [1] Give gate guns(not station guns) dps comparable to concord. Make them auto-attack any player who sits on a gate for longer than five minutes. Add a popup message giving players fair warning after three minutes, then count down until the guns fire. Doesn't affect scan probes or station camping, warfare or any other kind of PVP. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Auroral Borealis	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:37:00 - [2] So.. instead of finding fights on gates, everyone just sits in stations.. and.. sits in stations.. maybe camps the station a bit.. then sits in the station.. fail contructive: ... .. fail
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Make them auto-attack any player who sits on a gate for longer than five minutes.... Quote: I smell something....troll-ish....hmm ----------------------------------------------- shin ku myo u Please note: Everything I say is flavored with irony, cynicism and, of course, minty freshness.
Zel Nughat Amarr Nughat Corp	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:38:00 - [4] why? ------------------------------------------- The moon is a terrible mistress... ...who walks the night with demons of dread.
Minny Sky	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:40:00 - [5] I for one, cant wait to walk in stations. peh gate camps who needs pvp to get in the way of bearing
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Zel Nughat why? Why what? ----------------------------------------------- shin ku myo u Please note: Everything I say is flavored with irony, cynicism and, of course, minty freshness.
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:42:00 - [7] I said it was a way to eliminate gatecamps, I didn't say it was a good way that would please people. The intent was to point out how it's not feasible to eliminate the biggest obstacle to more players getting into losec. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Arthur Frayn I said it was a way to eliminate gatecamps, I didn't say it was a good way that would please people. The intent was to point out how it's not feasible to eliminate the biggest obstacle to more players getting into losec. Ok. But auto-attack after five minutes? Do you know how many AP peeps who go afk are going to get blown up on the first day alone? Bad idea. ----------------------------------------------- shin ku myo u Please note: Everything I say is flavored with irony, cynicism and, of course, minty freshness.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Zel Nughat why? Sounds like someone is tired of his ship getting pwnd at Rancer and is wanting a free ride though that little shortcut of space between two trade hubs. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
James Malice Gallente Coalition Of Resolution	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:47:00 - [10] Posting in a thread that is obviously a satire troll before anyone notices that fact.
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Rondo Gunn Originally by: Arthur Frayn I said it was a way to eliminate gatecamps, I didn't say it was a good way that would please people. The intent was to point out how it's not feasible to eliminate the biggest obstacle to more players getting into losec. Ok. But auto-attack after five minutes? Do you know how many AP peeps who go afk are going to get blown up on the first day alone? Bad idea. I meant to say limit it to losec only. Now that I think about it, you could easily stay in a safespot then converge on a gate for under five minutes if you had scouts confirming a target or targets were moving up the pipe towards you.
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:47:00 - [12] Originally by: James Malice Posting in a thread that is obviously a satire troll before anyone notices that fact. Shh lemme have my fun.
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Zel Nughat why? Sounds like someone is tired of his ship getting pwnd at Rancer and is wanting a free ride though that little shortcut of space between two trade hubs. I've never been to Rancer. I heard it's a nasty place full of turkeys and goblins. Can you confirm?
Lt Shard Shoot To Thrill Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:48:00 - [14] Edited by: Lt Shard on 11/02/2009 04:48:30 Op lost a thanny bpo in a camp. (not really)
Zel Nughat Amarr Nughat Corp	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:48:00 - [15] Originally by: Arthur Frayn I said it was a way to eliminate gatecamps, I didn't say it was a good way that would please people. The intent was to point out how it's not feasible to eliminate the biggest obstacle to more players getting into losec. ok, so here is your argument at last, sorry m8, but that does not make much of a sense at all most of lowsec is not gatecamped, no need to harass campers even more, lowsec is lowsec at the gates at the belts and everywhere in those systems, if CCP wanted to completely destroy lowsec gatecamps they could easily deploy concord gatecamp gangs as every high sec gate has
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:52:00 - [16] Originally by: Zel Nughat Originally by: Arthur Frayn I said it was a way to eliminate gatecamps, I didn't say it was a good way that would please people. The intent was to point out how it's not feasible to eliminate the biggest obstacle to more players getting into losec. ok, so here is your argument at last, sorry m8, but that does not make much of a sense at all most of lowsec is not gatecamped, no need to harass campers even more, lowsec is lowsec at the gates at the belts and everywhere in those systems, if CCP wanted to completely destroy lowsec gatecamps they could easily deploy concord gatecamp gangs as every high sec gate has There is a vein of truth to that. I've safely flown a pve fitted battleship solo up and down from empire to 0.0 with no opposition. Most gatecamps are on the 0.0 side of losec.
James Malice Gallente Coalition Of Resolution	Posted - 2009.02.11 04:54:00 - [17] Originally by: James Malice Posting in a thread that is obviously a satire troll before anyone notices that fact. No one actualy reads a whole page anymore do they? They just quote the first thing that pikes their interest and go with it. :P
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:18:00 - [18] Originally by: James Malice Originally by: James Malice Posting in a thread that is obviously a satire troll before anyone notices that fact. No one actualy reads a whole page anymore do they? They just quote the first thing that pikes their interest and go with it. :P It's "piques" not "pikes", you twit.
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:21:00 - [19] make it so when you jump you appear in a random part of the target system. If you want to pvp you have to probe people down. Im sure the real pirates already know how to do this
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:27:00 - [20] Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 11/02/2009 05:26:59 we can also eliminate world hunger by nuking everything! stating that you have an idea and then saying that it is pretty much a bad idea. isn't exactly the best way to go about promoting an agenda. and if gatecamps are keeping you out of lowsec I think you would have trouble surviving in lowsec anyways...
James Malice Gallente Coalition Of Resolution	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Originally by: James Malice Originally by: James Malice Posting in a thread that is obviously a satire troll before anyone notices that fact. No one actualy reads a whole page anymore do they? They just quote the first thing that pikes their interest and go with it. :P It's "piques" not "pikes", you twit. Damn, I think we got us an english major here!
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:29:00 - [22] Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 11/02/2009 05:29:34 Originally by: James Malice Originally by: Arthur Frayn Originally by: James Malice Originally by: James Malice Posting in a thread that is obviously a satire troll before anyone notices that fact. No one actualy reads a whole page anymore do they? They just quote the first thing that pikes their interest and go with it. :P It's "piques" not "pikes", you twit. Damn, I think we got us an english major here! I scraped through English with a C average in school. I just hate it when people pring out exotic rarely used words and don't learn to spell them first.
James Malice Gallente Coalition Of Resolution	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 11/02/2009 05:29:34 Originally by: James Malice Originally by: Arthur Frayn It's "piques" not "pikes", you twit. Damn, I think we got us an english major here! I scraped through English with a C average in school. I just hate it when people pring out exotic rarely used words and don't learn to spell them first. I don't care what you hate... How does that make you feel? :D
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:32:00 - [24] Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 11/02/2009 05:34:36 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 11/02/2009 05:26:59 we can also eliminate world hunger by nuking everything! stating that you have an idea and then saying that it is pretty much a bad idea. isn't exactly the best way to go about promoting an agenda. Not when my intent is to point out that people make similar ridiculous suggestions in earnest. Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton and if gatecamps are keeping you out of lowsec I think you would have trouble surviving in lowsec anyways... They and I don't.
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:34:00 - [25] Originally by: James Malice I don't care what you hate... How does that make you feel? :D All warm and fuzzy like Christmas.
James Malice Gallente Coalition Of Resolution	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Originally by: James Malice I don't care what you hate... How does that make you feel? :D All warm and fuzzy like Christmas. And that's the way it should be, because EVE is a harsh evil painfull place where no one cares how you feel.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 11/02/2009 05:26:59 we can also eliminate world hunger by nuking everything! stating that you have an idea and then saying that it is pretty much a bad idea. isn't exactly the best way to go about promoting an agenda. Not when my intent is to mock the people who make similar suggestions. Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton and if gatecamps are keeping you out of lowsec I think you would have trouble surviving in lowsec anyways... They and I don't. the sarcasm wasn't obvious enough, but I agree and the second part had no specific target, it was just more a general statement about lowsec. poorly phrased, but meh.
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:38:00 - [28] Originally by: James Malice Originally by: Arthur Frayn Originally by: James Malice I don't care what you hate... How does that make you feel? :D All warm and fuzzy like Christmas. And that's the way it should be, because EVE is a harsh evil painfull place where no one cares how you feel. Cut the bullshit and admit that you want me.
James Malice Gallente Coalition Of Resolution	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Originally by: James Malice Originally by: Arthur Frayn Originally by: James Malice I don't care what you hate... How does that make you feel? :D All warm and fuzzy like Christmas. And that's the way it should be, because EVE is a harsh evil painfull place where no one cares how you feel. Cut the bullshit and admit that you want me. I want you in my pod, while I shoot though the stars in my phalic gallente cruiser. happy now?
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:41:00 - [30] Originally by: James Malice I want you in my pod, while I shoot though the stars in my phalic gallente cruiser. happy now? Fag.
James Malice Gallente Coalition Of Resolution	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:44:00 - [31] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Originally by: James Malice I want you in my pod, while I shoot though the stars in my phalic gallente cruiser. happy now? Fag. *S OF EVE UNITE! We will spread our homosexuality throughout the cosmos! Originally by:** MooKids I like them, I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:46:00 - [32] Originally by: James Malice Originally by: Arthur Frayn Originally by: James Malice I want you in my pod, while I shoot though the stars in my phalic gallente cruiser. happy now? Fag. ***S OF EVE UNITE! We will spread our homosexuality throughout the cosmos! This message brought to you by Gay4life and Minmatar Gay Rights League (in game)
LeeIaa	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:49:00 - [33] Give it a rest, You are the ones that are broken, not the gate camps. LTP?
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.11 05:55:00 - [34] Gate camps keep extra targets out of my belts
Soporo Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.11 07:34:00 - [35] Eh, gate camps are bad news for the unprepared/unwise, sure as hell. But, a lot of times it looks far worse than it actually is, particularly at larger camps. You can be sure at least half of everyone there is probably a horrible km ho with no tank, mass Sensor Boosters and damage mods and with things like a Gatling Rail in that last highslot and whatnot.
Ms Massacre Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.11 07:42:00 - [36] gatecamps can be boring and frustrating but no matter how you look at it, they are core operation to defend space. They themselves are self-nerfing by being boring, however you can't escape they're functionality. I dislike gate camping, I dislike having to bust through gate camps, however I recognize their value. (on occasion you can get decent fights from them too) If you do not, you're naive.
Insa Rexion Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ	Posted - 2009.02.11 08:12:00 - [37] Edited by: Insa Rexion on 11/02/2009 08:13:56 Originally by: Rondo Gunn Originally by: Arthur Frayn I said it was a way to eliminate gatecamps, I didn't say it was a good way that would please people. The intent was to point out how it's not feasible to eliminate the biggest obstacle to more players getting into losec. Ok. But auto-attack after five minutes? Do you know how many AP peeps who go afk are going to get blown up on the first day alone? Bad idea. not really....just two or more of the same corp or alliance hanging around, unless there are loads of autopilot fleets that I haven't seen EDIT....those involved in factional or concord sanctioned wars are exempt
Andrea Skye Caldari The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2009.02.11 08:28:00 - [38] Smells like troll but why would you want to eliminate gate camps?
Osiris Andras	Posted - 2009.02.11 08:37:00 - [39] mm tasty thread. I'll bite though. Gates need to spawn their faction's ships as the guns engage for longer. this means that gate camps either break up due to not being able to take the guns and the faction rats or try to take out as many faction rats as possible and loot/salvage for good loot. Have the spawns escalate so that eventually You have to bug out, as well as the fact that it will be a little safe for people passing through the area for a short time.
Navtiqes Englebarna	Posted - 2009.02.11 08:46:00 - [40] Originally by: LeeIaa Give it a rest, You are the ones that are broken, not the gate camps. LTP? This. Gatecamps are a necessity. Dictors offer an alternative, although they're less viable for catching everything.
royal killer Amarr Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.02.11 08:49:00 - [41] How to eliminate gatecamps....you shoot them. -------------------- ding ding! Wrangler: Hello and w ding ding! Wrangler: ...damn nanowhiners.
Nifan	Posted - 2009.02.11 08:53:00 - [42] what a dumb post
Neamus	Posted - 2009.02.11 08:57:00 - [43] /Facepalm
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2009.02.11 08:58:00 - [44] Gatecamps aren't the problem, and never were. Barring the bombin' mom in Rancer and other kill-everything-for-da-lulz outfits, lowsec camps are a tool of absolute last resort when nothing else is going down near your gang. Camping is extremely boring and tedious, and frankly not much if any more fun than being on the receiving end of it. So if you want to 'fix gatecamps', suggest more stuff to do in lowsec to bring people out there. Then the action naturally goes back to the moons and belts like it was in the early years instead of everyone clustering in the one part of lowsec where you occasionally see a non-allied player. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.02.11 08:59:00 - [45] Gatecamps shouldn't be eliminated, they should be brought into the game design. Blockades like in that other.. spacey... game, I-WAr or something, where they put a spiderlock on a wormhole. Mines, traps, gatebusters etc. They need to bring more then "warp disruptor" and "warp disruptor disruptor" into the game. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.02.11 09:14:00 - [46] Edited by: Tippia on 11/02/2009 09:14:23 How to fix gatecamps: 1. Give us new useful interdiction and anti-logistics mechanics. 2. Allow area weapons in low-sec. Before #1 is fixed, gatecamps get to stay. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.02.11 10:05:00 - [47] Gatecamps are a valuable source of income for pirates. Ships you catch in missions or ratting in belts hardly yield any considerable profit. It's the freighter filled with POS modules that pays your bills. If losec is too unforgiving I'd suggest staying in hisec.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.11 10:06:00 - [48] Get rid of gates, find another paradigm for travel in eve. Makes space more like space and less like fish bowls and hoses.
Jalif Black Sinisters Freedom of Elbas	Posted - 2009.02.11 10:33:00 - [49] Somebody lost his shiny ship at a pirate gatecamp... Like people often say to pirates: Nobody asked you to become a pirate I say to you: Nobody asked you to come to lowsec Please stay in highsec for now :)
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.11 11:58:00 - [50] if you enfore any kind of security to lowsec or 0.0 you turn it into highsec. LOsec = LOW SECURITY, get it? /facepalm Please, jump into traffic
AkRoYeR Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.11 12:20:00 - [51] Originally by: H Lecter Gatecamps are a valuable source of income for pirates. Ships you catch in missions or ratting in belts hardly yield any considerable profit. It's the freighter filled with POS modules that pays your bills. If losec is too unforgiving I'd suggest staying in hisec. Ratting in 0.0 yields hardly any profit? WTF...where are you ratting?
Yeshua Christ	Posted - 2009.02.11 12:23:00 - [52] This troll thread gets a 7/10 for making it to 2 pages.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.02.11 12:26:00 - [53] Wait wtf what? What sense would this make? Gatecamps are a legitimate playing style. (albeit boring, I admit) Adapt? /me hates camps. I prefer frigate pvp. ----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting? EVE is a PvP game. Adaptation is your survival.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Firestar Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.02.11 12:27:00 - [54] Why would we want to get rid of gatecamps? Though I think they're the single most boring form of PvP, they are 100% legitimate and force people to pay attention to what they are doing. I think they're a valuable learning tool and a lot of players actually enjoy them. I think the penalty for suicide-camping is still disproportionate, but that's another discussion.
eliminator2 Gallente Annihilate.	Posted - 2009.02.11 12:33:00 - [55] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Give gate guns(not station guns) dps comparable to concord. Make them auto-attack any player who sits on a gate for longer than five minutes. Add a popup message giving players fair warning after three minutes, then count down until the guns fire. Doesn't affect scan probes or station camping, warfare or any other kind of PVP. if this was brought in wich it will never be there would be draw back etc auto pilot
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.02.11 12:50:00 - [56] How to eliminate gate camps: Shoot them.
Flesh Eater	Posted - 2009.02.11 12:53:00 - [57] Play old 1930s music like Frank Sinatra at the gates to discourage undesirables/hoodlums/delinquents from congregating there. They use it to great effect in shopping malls...
Karii Ildarian Caldari M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.02.11 12:59:00 - [58] 1. Jumping through a gate transports the player to a random location in the target system. 2. Jumping in a fleet transports the fleet, en masse, to a random location in the target system. 3. Gate Power Up limits activation to once every 5 seconds between activations. 4. Due to instability, caused by the gate itself, warp drives cannot function within a 15km radius of any gate and any ship approaching a gate, at warp, drops out of warp immediately, similar to the current bubble effect. 5. Large station generated warp bubbles, again with a 15km radius, are placed at all stations as a safety feature, to keep yahoos from coming in too hot and crashing into the station itself. Fixed.
Kashimir Otoko no Baito	Posted - 2009.02.11 13:04:00 - [59] Originally by: Flesh Eater Play old 1930s music like Frank Sinatra at the gates to discourage undesirables/hoodlums/delinquents from congregating there. They use it to great effect in shopping malls... This
Patul Swarntag Minmatar Eagleburger Enterprises Corp	Posted - 2009.02.11 13:08:00 - [60] CCP spawns space sharks with fricking lasers on their backs to nerf any campers ships back to rookie ships. or How about you grow a pair and treat EVE as a game and work out how to get into lowsec without being podded - many pilots have.... Darwin's theory is still relevant now as it ever was...
Ralitge boyter Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.11 13:15:00 - [61] Ehm.... NO. Why? Where does one find a good fight in low-sec if there is no camping gates? Back to the drawing board batman, I think we found a booboo. ------------------------------------------- Should you disagree with me, well I guess that is because I disagree with you. If you have a problem with that please feel free not to tell me.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.02.11 13:26:00 - [62] Originally by: Kashimir Originally by: Flesh Eater Play old 1930s music like Frank Sinatra at the gates to discourage undesirables/hoodlums/delinquents from congregating there. They use it to great effect in shopping malls... This Wouldn't you just get mobsters instead? "REACH FOR THE SKY OR IT'S THE CHICAGO TYPEWRITER FOR YOU!"
Ctp Hawkeye Caldari Vice And Valour	Posted - 2009.02.11 13:56:00 - [63] Originally by: Arthur Frayn I said it was a way to eliminate gatecamps, I didn't say it was a good way that would please people. The intent was to point out how it's not feasible to eliminate the biggest obstacle to more players getting into losec. the biggest obsticale is the fear of lossing precious iskies/pixels. The second biggest is the fact that in empire you simply dont need to use the tools lowsec survival require, meaning empire bears have little understanding or ability putting them into practice (scanning, safespotting, map stastitics, scouting etc) the thrid obstacle is the lack of reward for going into lowsec. 99% of people are either there by accident or there to gank people there by accident, and im some cases there to gank the people that gank the people who are there by accident. (phew) Gatecamps are not a significant, let alone major barrier. Learn to use your map and find quieter entry points. bring the big ships in when its quiet. Have someone scout. -------------------------------------------------- Now accepting ISK for my rattlesnake fund --------------------------------------------------
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.11 15:32:00 - [64] Originally by: Ralitge boyter Ehm.... NO. Why? Where does one find a good fight in low-sec if there is no camping gates? Back to the drawing board batman, I think we found a booboo. Erm yes, This post reveals the limitations the current travel mechanics Eve suffers. Do something other than gates. The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.02.11 15:34:00 - [65] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: Ralitge boyter Ehm.... NO. Why? Where does one find a good fight in low-sec if there is no camping gates? Back to the drawing board batman, I think we found a booboo. Erm yes, This post reveals the limitations the current travel mechanics Eve suffers. Do something other than gates. No no, not other, add Gates =fast. Other =slow but safer. It would solve so much My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Malygros	Posted - 2009.02.11 15:49:00 - [66] Edited by: Malygros on 11/02/2009 15:49:39 I am pretty new to EvE so my opinion is from limited experience but ... Gate Campers, Ore Thieves and Gank Squads.... bring spice to EvE, otherwise traveling in EvE would be as dull as Flight Paths in an not be be named MMO, set route and go make some coffee. Sure I get annoyed when some thief flips my can but instead of thinking 'omg CCP , do something about this exploit' I prefer to think...'hmm, fit a mining Osprey with some hardware and bait the thieves instead, teach them not to flip my cans' EvE is a decent blend of relative safe starting zones (newbies are not liable to have anything worth suiciding a gank ship over) and delicious PvP danger of lowsec...especially a mission that requires a quick run in and out of lowsec. If you are getting gate camped you could always try plot an alternative route that bypasses that camp? If thats not possible then that may be something CCP can add...alternative routes ...ensure that there is no gate that has no alternative route. My new 2p's worth
Mish'Kala Minmatar Atomic Heroes	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:32:00 - [67] Its very simple really. Remove ALL gates. That way we wont have gate camps. if a play wants to move their ship from one system to the next they simply submit a note from their mum, asking a GM to move the ship. if the play has been a good boy or girl the ship will get moved within 72 hours to the requested system. There No gate Camps!
Ctp Hawkeye Caldari Vice And Valour	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:34:00 - [68] Originally by: Malygros Edited by: Malygros on 11/02/2009 15:49:39 I am pretty new to EvE so my opinion is from limited experience but ... Gate Campers, Ore Thieves and Gank Squads.... bring spice to EvE, otherwise traveling in EvE would be as dull as Flight Paths in an not be be named MMO, set route and go make some coffee. Sure I get annoyed when some thief flips my can but instead of thinking 'omg CCP , do something about this exploit' I prefer to think...'hmm, fit a mining Osprey with some hardware and bait the thieves instead, teach them not to flip my cans' EvE is a decent blend of relative safe starting zones (newbies are not liable to have anything worth suiciding a gank ship over) and delicious PvP danger of lowsec...especially a mission that requires a quick run in and out of lowsec. If you are getting gate camped you could always try plot an alternative route that bypasses that camp? If thats not possible then that may be something CCP can add...alternative routes ...ensure that there is no gate that has no alternative route. My new 2p's worth Eve needs more people like you signing up tbh. moral of the story? Do soemthing different ingame, dont hit up the forums to whine. -------------------------------------------------- Now accepting ISK for my rattlesnake fund --------------------------------------------------
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar pSyChOTIC CareBears BrightSpark Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:41:00 - [69] Originally by: TraininVain Originally by: Kashimir Originally by: Flesh Eater Play old 1930s music like Frank Sinatra at the gates to discourage undesirables/hoodlums/delinquents from congregating there. They use it to great effect in shopping malls... This Wouldn't you just get mobsters instead? "REACH FOR THE SKY OR IT'S THE CHICAGO TYPEWRITER FOR YOU!" LMAO!
Insa Rexion Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:49:00 - [70] Originally by: Ralitge boyter Ehm.... NO. Why? Where does one find a good fight in low-sec if there is no camping gates? Back to the drawing board batman, I think we found a booboo. Gate camps are your idea of a good fight ? well mannered ah*
Tamsin Rhylis	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:53:00 - [71] That wouldn't go too well with traders, if someone auto-pilots a route and goes AFK while that is being done. The route might end leaving them on a gate for more than 5 minutes. CCP would be flooded with petitions of "your turrets blew up my ship and the mission cargo, i want them back!"
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:54:00 - [72] Push Button. Recieve Wormhole. That's how you eliminate gatecamping ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Flinchey Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.11 17:26:00 - [73] why bother you can already avoid known gatecamps i've just discovered eve has an anti-lag-gank failsafe. if your internet is lagging and it takes too long for you to warp in system, you land 1,000,000km off gate, to prevent instapop. so solution: oshi- theres a gatecamp on the other side here and i know it! start up utorrent downloading/uploading at max speed (160/25 in my case).... ahhh nice and super laggy jump* land in system quickly close program, warp to safety
Jove X Dragon Highlords	Posted - 2009.02.11 17:30:00 - [74] when I read the subject of this thread .. I swore in my mind the Op was going to say: "How to eliminate gate camps - ELIMINATE GATES!" I guess I was wrong.
xxxak Caldari O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.11 17:57:00 - [75] Worst, Idea, Ever.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.02.11 18:33:00 - [76] People still get caught in low-sec? - Infectious -
Corduroy Rab Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2009.02.11 18:35:00 - [77] Hey I got a better idea for removing gate camps, lets just have everyone's ship self destruct if they ever initiate warp to a gate.
Dr Resheph Amarr YOU ARE NOW READING THIS LOUDLY	Posted - 2009.02.11 18:35:00 - [78] Why would we want to eliminate gate camps?
Corduroy Rab Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2009.02.11 18:36:00 - [79] Originally by: Rawr Cristina People still get caught in low-sec? I guess... Maybe the macro haulers haven't been reprogrammed to re-approach the gate when pointed.
Khrillian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.02.11 19:03:00 - [80] How to kill a lot of people in Jita when the gate lags...
Ctp Hawkeye Caldari Vice And Valour	Posted - 2009.02.11 19:15:00 - [81] Originally by: Dr Resheph Why would we want to eliminate gate camps? Endorse product , newsletter etc ****** SIG :O ******
Aurevoir Connard	Posted - 2009.02.11 19:52:00 - [82] What are these gate guns you all are talking about. I never see them in 0.0., just really cool bubbles
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.11 20:22:00 - [83] Originally by: AkRoYeR Originally by: H Lecter Gatecamps are a valuable source of income for pirates. Ships you catch in missions or ratting in belts hardly yield any considerable profit. It's the freighter filled with POS modules that pays your bills. If losec is too unforgiving I'd suggest staying in hisec. Ratting in 0.0 yields hardly any profit? WTF...where are you ratting? he said killing player ships in belts, not ratting in 0.0 belts. although profit from 0.0 belts is another topic. and I disagree, probing down mission runners can make for great profit
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.11 20:23:00 - [84] Originally by: Insa Rexion Originally by: Ralitge boyter Ehm.... NO. Why? Where does one find a good fight in low-sec if there is no camping gates? Back to the drawing board batman, I think we found a booboo. Gate camps are your idea of a good fight ? I think he means going into lowsec and shooting at the ones camping the gate. gate ganks are hardly good fights, they are for profit!

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