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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.12 02:02:00 -
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Is it worth upgrading from a Abaddon to a Navy Apoc for missions? The extra low slot and range seems very tempting.
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Number 86
Eat Ship and Die
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Posted - 2009.02.12 02:04:00 -
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do it
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.12 02:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Number 86
do it
Your reasoning is extremely compelling.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.12 02:09:00 -
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If it does mission quicker, yes. Thats all there is to it. ^^
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Nugite
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Posted - 2009.02.12 02:10:00 -
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do it.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.12 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
If it does mission quicker, yes. Thats all there is to it. ^^
Well thats the thing, i'm not sure it'll complete missions much faster. The DPS is about 10'sh lower and the tank is about 50 dps less. but the 10+ range to the pulses that are on my Abaddon as well as almost 20k more EHP seems like a good trade off. Abaddon pulse range can be pretty annoying in missions.
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Kebast
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Posted - 2009.02.12 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Kebast on 12/02/2009 02:15:29
The only upgrade from an Abaddon is a Nightmare or Paladin.
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Compendium
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Posted - 2009.02.12 02:15:00 -
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The game is already on easy mode for you if you're in an Abaddon. I recommend saving your money. |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.12 02:17:00 -
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Well, do you move around a lot in the Abaddon, if no, stay with the Abaddon. If you move a lot, then the range might serve you better.
If you got shiled skills, consider a Nightmare, its awsome imo ^^.
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Malovich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.12 04:44:00 -
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Depends how you like to fight and what missions you get a lot of. If you see many more close-range missions (such as Mercenaries and Angels), the Abbadon will probably be a bit better. If you're doing mainly long-range work, I'd say the navy apoc would be more suitable. I fly mine with tachs (not t2 for fitting) and just use multi-frequency all the time. It can put damage on the target as far as I can lock and has a rather insane tank given the range it can hit out to effectively.
Up to you because both of them will torch missions well enough. In the end I prefer my Apoc for most things simply because of ease of flying (no ammo swapping, cap stable enough, AN crystals last longer than Scorch, etc.)
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demonfurbie
Minmatar
Covert-Nexus
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Posted - 2009.02.12 04:51:00 -
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it all depends like every one else has said
but i just got a navy apoc to work along with my nightmare and im liking it
i choose the nm on missions i know that they stay at a good range and the navy apoc for upclose crap ... but if you have the lp stocked may as well ge teh navy apoc its a wonderful ship
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.12 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Well, do you move around a lot in the Abaddon, if no, stay with the Abaddon. If you move a lot, then the range might serve you better.
If you got shiled skills, consider a Nightmare, its awsome imo ^^.
What he said. If you got shield skills, there's no need to wait. Get a Nightmare, it's massive win! 4 Tachs and you reach 50 km on multifreq crystals and still deal in the amounts of 700-800 DPS.
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SturmTurm
Amarr
Armored Fist
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Posted - 2009.02.13 09:59:00 -
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Hi there,
I have flown both for a VERY long time in lvl 4¦s. People who claim that the Abaddon is better for lvl 4 missions than the Navy Poc haven¦t! (flamesuit online!).
Never had any problems in my Navy Poc where I have been in trouble a couple of times in my Abaddon. The Navy Poc does Amarr based missions like a knife in soft butter.
BUT you really have to fit the Navy Poc right - The use of those 8 X Megapulse II¦s on the Navy Poc and 3 X Amarr Navy HS are mandatory. Rest is up to you and your playstyle but again the Navy Poc is a very forgiving ship and can be fitted for gank or tank.
In lvl 4¦s go for gank[:twisted:.
Regards SturmTurm
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Petyr Baelich
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.02.13 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: SturmTurm
Hi there,
I have flown both for a VERY long time in lvl 4¦s. People who claim that the Abaddon is better for lvl 4 missions than the Navy Poc haven¦t! (flamesuit online!).
Never had any problems in my Navy Poc where I have been in trouble a couple of times in my Abaddon. The Navy Poc does Amarr based missions like a knife in soft butter.
BUT you really have to fit the Navy Poc right - The use of those 8 X Megapulse II¦s on the Navy Poc and 3 X Amarr Navy HS are mandatory. Rest is up to you and your playstyle but again the Navy Poc is a very forgiving ship and can be fitted for gank or tank.
In lvl 4¦s go for gank[:twisted:.
Regards SturmTurm
Tachyon Abaddon > Pulse Napoc. I hope those are the setups you're compairing. Pulse Abaddon is indeed inferior to pulse napoc, (or even the regular apoc) for missions, (although you really can't beat it for PvP unless you need the RR support on a 'geddon).
[Abaddon, PvE]
Heat Sink II x 3
Large Armor Repairer II
Reactor Control Unit II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Cap Recharger II x 4
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L x 8
Capacitor Control Circuit I x 3
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
700+ gun DPS, w/ 5k+ alpha = cruisers and most battlecruisers down in 1 volley (760/5214 with my skills and implant set).
32k optimal, 23k falloff w/ MF.
Enough tracking to kill cruisers so long as they're incoming. Once they get to orbits you need to "look at" them and match heading... but this is rare, you should be flying away from groups and using your somewhat slow speed to mitigate their closure rate and negate transversal.
348 dps tank against EM/Thermal for 4 minutes+ with tank and guns running. More than enough cap to pulse the repper if you know your missions and aren't aggroing the whole thing.
[Apocalypse Navy Issue, PvE]
Heat Sink II x 3
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Cap Recharger II x 4
Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L x 8
Energy Locus Coordinator I
Auxiliary Nano Pump I x 2
On paper a better ship: slightly less gun DPS (726 with my skills), much better tracking.
24k optimal, 9.2k falloff with multifrequency, meaning you're going to need to drop down to Ultraviolet at the start of most engagements and lose almost 200 dps compared to the Abaddon fit. <-- This is where I feel abaddon is the superior mission ship, that extra 20k range makes a huge difference to me, and allows you to complete missions faster by ensuring your targets are always in range.
Superior tank: 426 dps v. EM/Thermal... but who cares, missions are not meant to be tanked, they should be ganked.
Cap stable, (with implants) <-- This might be the sticking point for newer players. It's much more reassuring to a newish missioner to never have to worry about cap managment.
All in all, it's going to come down to taste, I feel the Abaddon is superior, but my playstyle is a little different from most other missioners I talk to. I really don't like doing missions. I do them for standing purposes only, (usually in a nightmare, actually, but before that it was abaddons) and if I can trade faster completion times for saftey, then I will. Interested to see if your Napoc setup differs from the above.
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SturmTurm
Amarr
Armored Fist
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Posted - 2009.02.19 10:49:00 -
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Hi there,
I got average/high skills
From memory my fit for the NavyPoc PVE (high sec) is:
High:
8X MPL II / AN-xstals and Scorch L
Mid:
3/4 Cap Recharger II and/or faction AB
Low:
AN LAR, 4X HardenersII (2x2 or 1x4), 3 AN HS
Rigs:
Aux nano pump
thermal pump
EM pump
Drones: 5X Hob II¦s and 5X Hammer II¦s
Regards
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The Djego
Minmatar
merovinger inc
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Posted - 2009.02.19 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 19/02/2009 11:02:57
Originally by: SturmTurm
Hi there,
I got average/high skills
From memory my fit for the NavyPoc PVE (high sec) is:
High:
8X MPL II / AN-xstals and Scorch L
Mid:
3/4 Cap Recharger II and/or faction AB
Low:
AN LAR, 4X HardenersII (2x2 or 1x4), 3 AN HS
Rigs:
Aux nano pump
thermal pump
EM pump
Drones: 5X Hob II¦s and 5X Hammer II¦s
Regards
Yeah beats the Abaddon hands down. 
8x AN Mega Puls
2x TCs, Cap Recharger, AB
MAR, 2x Hardners, CPR, 3x Heat Sinks
T2 Locus Rig, 2x CCC
Outganks and Outranges your fitting. 
A bit sensible with the Tank ofc, but still dooing ok for L4.
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Originally by: Amantus
Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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TimMc
Gallente
Extradition
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Posted - 2009.02.19 12:54:00 -
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Just do it.
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Traderboz
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Posted - 2009.02.19 13:23:00 -
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I'm not really feeling the Navypoc fits that were posted here. Done right, you can get the range of a Tachy boat and the tracking of a pulse boat, and it's cap stable to boot. You can achieve better numbers at close range in the Abaddon, but your cap is going to be in sad shape and/or you lose out to scorch crystals at range. It's personal preference between the two, but I personally love my Navypoc. I've never felt the Abaddon was in the same league, and even after picking up my Nightmare I couldn't bring myself to sell the Navypoc. :P
Try something like this:
[Apocalypse Navy Issue, New Setup 1 copy 1]
Amarr Navy Heat Sink
Amarr Navy Heat Sink
Amarr Navy Heat Sink
Amarr Navy Large Armor Repairer
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, Optimal Range
Dark Blood Cap Recharger
Dark Blood Cap Recharger
Dark Blood Cap Recharger
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Energy Locus Coordinator II
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
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SturmTurm
Amarr
Armored Fist
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Posted - 2009.02.19 14:03:00 -
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THAT looks like a nice fit - gonna try it out as long as you are not an EFT-warriorI belive that the Abaddon can punch out more gank / and or tank than the Navy Poc but for missions the Navy Poc is as I said a VERY forgiving ship
Regards
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Lexa Hellfury
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2009.02.19 14:06:00 -
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do it
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