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echohead	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:00:00 - [1] Is it just me or is this insane? I know with the limited code they cannot get any real info, but it seems like the certification system would also give them most of the same info. They already have your corp history and age, if they don't believe you can pilot a ship or something they should just have you undock in the ship in question.
midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:02:00 - [2] Originally by: echohead Is it just me or is this insane? I know with the limited code they cannot get any real info, but it seems like the certification system would also give them most of the same info. They already have your corp history and age, if they don't believe you can pilot a ship or something they should just have you undock in the ship in question. of obviously dont want them to know something and are trying to hide it? if the cert system does the same thing whats the problem with giving them either -----------------------------------------------
TimMc Gallente Extradition	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:03:00 - [3] Can see if you are an alt, or have some. However obviously miss alt accounts. Can also see your skills, alot of CEOs keep members on evemon to monitor what they are training and ***** at them if its carebear stuff.
Pedro Snachez Red Horse Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:03:00 - [4] It's a little on the silly side in my opinion, but if you're joining a serious corp it's not out of the question. Undocking in a ship is a lot different from piloting it competently. They want to make sure that you've got all of the necessary support skills, where your points are allocated, etc. If it really bugs you then don't join the corp, but it's a fairly common practice for corps that really take the game seriously.
echohead	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:09:00 - [5] lol CEO's keeping people on eve-mon? thats hilarious! Oh don't get me wrong I would never give my number out. I just think it's funny that people even ask for it. I fail to see how it can help security when most people own more than one account anyway. No one wants to split training time amongst their characters on one account.
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:10:00 - [6] What is your reasoning behind not giving it up ? /Riv
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:11:00 - [7] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 13/02/2009 16:12:10 There are no ways to ensure beyond all doubt that spies don't make it into a corp, or to ensure that established members don't become corrupt. However, if a corp is serious it will use whatever methods it has to within the EULA to find out how many accounts you have, how many characters, and what their affiliations are. I don't think it's silly at all when the cost of a poor screening process could strip an established corp of billions in materials through theft and corruption. Using Eve-Mon to keep tabs on what people are training is a new one on me though. I guess if a corp is dead set on not having its members do anything other than one particular profession 100% of the time it makes sense although I personally wouldn't find that sort of corp appealing.
echohead	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:13:00 - [8] How can they find out how many accounts you have?
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:15:00 - [9] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 13/02/2009 16:16:01 Originally by: echohead How can they find out how many accounts you have? By requiring a screenshot of the login screen with accounts menu extended, and something in the background to verify the time it was taken (like an online newspaper with the day's headlines or something.) It can still be edited if someone is a bit handy with Photoshop or something but it's still better than nothing. I know at least some people require this because I had to do it once.
echohead	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:16:00 - [10] ...and they never realized someone could just log onto windows under a different name?

Kiran Minmatar EXPLORATIS Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:17:00 - [11] To be honest if a corp told me or tried to make me train skills they wanted me to train in I would tell them where to get off. Its my money my account I do what the hell I like with it. If thats not a good enough reason for them then the corp in question is not worth the worry. Find one that trusts its members built up over a period of time, and never give rights to the newest guy on the scene. Why be a sheep when you can be a wolf instead and forge your own path?
midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:17:00 - [12] Originally by: echohead How can they find out how many accounts you have? Could always check your wallet journal, regular transfers to and from a character indicates alt? You said it yourself it gives them nothing - as for evemon to monitor corpmates pft... give him the cocde, let him see your skills etc, then hit generate new code, problem fixed? -----------------------------------------------
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:17:00 - [13] Happens a lot but it depends on the situation if I would give it out. If I really, really, really want to join a corp that wants to check my alt's before they accept me or want to get my limited API before I'm allowed to join, I might give it to them but after getting in, I would generate a new number. Usually they don't use it after you're being accepted as they just want to check your alt accounts. If the corp really, really, really wants me to join (beats me why any corp would want me but that's not the topic ), I won't give my API.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:18:00 - [14] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 13/02/2009 16:21:27 Originally by: echohead ...and they never realized someone could just log onto windows under a different name? I dunno. It was just one recruitment requirement out of many, but as far as checking on the number of Eve accounts a person has it's the only method I'm aware of. Like I said it's better than nothing, if not necessarily by much. edit: and wallet screenshots can also help with this too, if people are transferring money regularly to other characters. I don't really know how effective any given recruitment task is at keeping undesirable people out of the corp. I just know the various things I've had to do in the past. Anything that doesn't require an API can be faked without great difficulty though. Even wallet transactions can easily be edited with an out of game image program.
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Ex Cruoris Libertas	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:21:00 - [15] I would never give mine out to a new corp I was joining. To be honest it's probably because I do not really understand what it gives someone access to, and there is a warning on the page where you go to get yourself a full api key to not give it to anyone that you do not trust. But, I also would request to NOT be given access to anything important in the corp. That way if there is ever a corp theft, I am NOT a suspect.
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:21:00 - [16] Edited by: Cedric Diggory on 13/02/2009 16:22:22 What's the problem with handing it out? Give them a limited use API key and let them look all they like. Once they're done (or you want them out), simply generate a new API key and update your own links accordingly. I would be concerned on various levels joining any corp that didn't at least ask for this information.
Tyleritus ADITI Labs Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 13/02/2009 16:16:01 Originally by: echohead How can they find out how many accounts you have? By requiring a screenshot of the login screen with accounts menu extended, and something in the background to verify the time it was taken See section 2B Quote: You will be assigned a login name and a character name during the registration and character creation process. You may not allow anyone to use your login name or character name to access the System or play EVE. No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:32:00 - [18] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 13/02/2009 16:31:58 Originally by: Tyleritus See section 2B Quote: You will be assigned a login name and a character name during the registration and character creation process. You may not allow anyone to use your login name or character name to access the System or play EVE. No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else. I think you're misinterpreting that. It says you can't use the login name or character name of anyone else. It doesn't say anything about just knowing the login or character name of someone. I mean, we all know each others' character names anyway, and since they lump both login and character names together in that section it leads me to believe what they're saying is that you just can't use it to actually do things with like log in to someone's account or impersonate them.
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:35:00 - [19] you can still show up in certs as being abit of a nub at certain things, even when you've got every missile skill to 5, except rockets cuz you don't fly anything smaller than a cruiser, and it shows as recruit or w/e the lower level is.
Kalorned Minmatar Psychedelic Llamas	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:52:00 - [20] Edited by: Kalorned on 13/02/2009 16:53:11 Delicious tin foil hat thread is delicious ^_^ There is no one foolproof method of ensuring someone your recruiting is valid and has no alt accounts or some such. What most people realize though is that security is not any one method, security is better defined as layers upon layers of methods all stacked onto each other. For example, let's take your home security as an example. Let's assume you are really paranoid and you want to keep your home absolutely 100% safe from all theft and intrusion. The first step then, is to lock your doors. Simple enough right? Right, but locking your doors isn't enough to secure your home if your seeking perfect security. Next you would probably want to purchase and install a home security network that will set off an alarm if anyone comes in, and preferably alert some security center to dispatch the police as well. That's great, but your home still isn't secure. Someone can still pick the lock and enter, albeit not quietly. So in your quest to obtain perfect security, you now install steel bars over your windows, and reinforce your door with heavy metal. That's wonderful, but your still susceptible to being robbed, since someone could perhaps climb onto your roof, cut a hole and drop down or even bring out some equipment that could break the steel bars over your window. Now in your quest, you install automatic machine guns that have infrared search and will respond to anyone on your property past a certain hour with a hail of bullets and.... so on and so on. See it's all a matter of layers. No one of those above steps is perfect for total security. When corps ask for your API, though it will not totally secure them, it is just one layer in the overall security check of an applicant. The corp can be as draconian as they want (automatic machine guns) or as loose as they want (no locks on the door) but it's all a matter of how secure and how hard the corp wants to make pushing a bad member though.

Suneai Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 13/02/2009 16:16:01 Originally by: echohead How can they find out how many accounts you have? By requiring a screenshot of the login screen with accounts menu extended, and something in the background to verify the time it was taken (like an online newspaper with the day's headlines or something.) It can still be edited if someone is a bit handy with Photoshop or something but it's still better than nothing. I know at least some people require this because I had to do it once. That one very rarely works, many people who have alts use separate clients to run the alts so the log-on screen will only show one account per client.
Lui Kai Logistics Incorporated	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:59:00 - [22] Meh. If it's the limited API, who cares? They can't find out anything invasive from that. If it's the full API, they can get stuffed.
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Ex Cruoris Libertas	Posted - 2009.02.13 17:03:00 - [23] Aye, I would give the limited API as well. I was under the impression, for whatever reason, that we were talking about the full api key here. I know I have seen the full api key as a requirement listed for some corps, though I do not know why.
Sephrin Minmatar Imperium Forces Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.13 17:09:00 - [24] I have no problem with corps asking for limited api, all it gives them is skill information and wallet balance. It helps when you are recruiting people in a PVP corp with a 10M SP minimum to be able to check and see that they have atleast a respectable amount of those SP in combat. This prevents the "your supposed to have 15m SP why cant you fly a BC?" "Umm... 13m of those are in science..." And like others said, if you don't want any one to be able to see your skills after you sign up just change the key after the initial screening. If the corp makes you nervous for asking for it find another, or start your own. As far an screen shots of logon screens... I would never do that. That gives anyone who sees that screen shot 50% of what they need to crack my account.
Dkorg	Posted - 2009.02.13 17:47:00 - [25] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 13/02/2009 16:16:01 Originally by: echohead How can they find out how many accounts you have? By requiring a screenshot of the login screen with accounts menu extended, and something in the background to verify the time it was taken (like an online newspaper with the day's headlines or something.) It can still be edited if someone is a bit handy with Photoshop or something but it's still better than nothing. I know at least some people require this because I had to do it once. This is nonsensical security theatre. With how broken the settings system is your life is greatly easier if you have one install per account. Even if you don't do that just create a new on and log in with the char applying. Look ma just me here.
Tunak	Posted - 2009.02.13 17:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 13/02/2009 16:31:58 Originally by: Tyleritus See section 2B Quote: You will be assigned a login name and a character name during the registration and character creation process. You may not allow anyone to use your login name or character name to access the System or play EVE. No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else. I think you're misinterpreting that. It says you can't use the login name or character name of anyone else. It doesn't say anything about just knowing the login or character name of someone. I mean, we all know each others' character names anyway, and since they lump both login and character names together in that section it leads me to believe what they're saying is that you just can't use it to actually do things with like log in to someone's account or impersonate them. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else. Asking is attempting.
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar pSyChOTIC CareBears BrightSpark Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.13 18:00:00 - [27] Originally by: echohead Is it just me or is this insane? I know with the limited code they cannot get any real info, but it seems like the certification system would also give them most of the same info. They already have your corp history and age, if they don't believe you can pilot a ship or something they should just have you undock in the ship in question. Loads of people use ineve API skill viewer anyway. I know i do. Linkage
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.02.13 18:03:00 - [28] Originally by: echohead lol CEO's keeping people on eve-mon? thats hilarious! Oh don't get me wrong I would never give my number out. I just think it's funny that people even ask for it. I fail to see how it can help security when most people own more than one account anyway. No one wants to split training time amongst their characters on one account. Most mayor corps make extensive use of the API for their homepages/killboards. For recruitment options it can be used to detect alts (full api log also gives access to your wallet journal, and if it's an alt it generally sends and receives mucho money from the main).
Thargat Caldari North Star Networks Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.13 18:06:00 - [29] Member APIs is very useful for corps. The limited API is well.... limited, the full API however is a very good tool to keep track of the various corporation members. You can have automatic forum access coupled with the in-game rights. One can keep track of member market and isk flows (to keep track of how much the member in question is earning for the corp or siphoning out of it). To trace assets (something went missing from a corp hanger (with the API you can see who did it). And when you create OPs (with a nifty corp application you can see at a glance who can fly what ship and how good), for example you could sort/filter all freighter pilots. When examining new members the full API lets you investigate transactions and trades with other characters (whom in turn you can look closer at) as a way to detect if the pilot in question is someone suitable for your corp or a nifty spy. Of course it ain't a perfect system and spies and hostile agents may still infiltrate your corp or hire your already trusted corpmembers as traitors.
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.13 18:20:00 - [30] Quote: As far an screen shots of logon screens... I would never do that. That gives anyone who sees that screen shot 50% of what they need to crack my account. I lol'd at this while i was recruiting in my own corp, as we had it as a requirement too. The thing is, we're not in the slightest interested in your login page: it's your character selection page we wanted to see! The API key renders this feature defunct, and I agree in principle that you should never show your login name to anyone.



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