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BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.09.13 22:45:00 -
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It has been a couple months already, and we still have heavily pixelated icons and it's not that professional. The art team should probably be embarrassed about it. however I would appreciate a new set redone set, to look more modern.
Meryl SinGarda wrote:You're telling me you'd rather go back to the old, lower quality icons, because you don't have the ability to learn how to distinguish between different things. What did you do when you originally started playing and had no idea what any of these icons meant?
Case closed, /thread.
Meryl SinGarda actually meant to say, so instead wrote:I'm a bit ignorant and can't contemplate common sense mostly ever.
you accidently the rum and coke again?
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LittleTerror
Day Unhappy Security Inc.
4
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Posted - 2011.09.13 22:45:00 -
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What is wrong with the new icons you ungrateful things?
I like them, to me they work fine, sure I have to relearn what is what but that is it because dur it a new image so it looks different but you people who don't like them are trying to use fake logic to state they are bad with out even trying to learn the new way of identification.
your brain
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
149
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Posted - 2011.09.13 22:47:00 -
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LittleTerror wrote:What is wrong with the new icons you ungrateful things? They're not good icons. They lack everything a good icon should have, unlike the old icons (which, at most, were a bit weak in terms of contrast).
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Xander Riggs
Star Surfers
Coalition of Free Stars
27
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Posted - 2011.09.13 22:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote: ...not good icons. Well, that's progress at leastGǪ
Important note: Capital laser batteries do not actually exist, either. You know what they do with the art, when they make new icons for things inside your ship? MAKE IT UP. Joys of fiction, right there.
Your bad points are entirely arbitrary. You think they offer no contrast. I think they're fine. You think they blend in with the background. I don't. You think they scale poorly. I don't. They look just fine in the market window, beside the target locked, and on my ship.
Literally, you're sitting here saying 'Hey, CCP! I know you spent money and time on this and all, but I don't like it. You should waste some more money to meet my entirely arbitrary art-school list of demands.'
I did get a good laugh when you specifically questioned why it's good for icons to actually look like stuff, though. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
149
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Posted - 2011.09.13 22:52:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:Important note: Capital laser batteries do not actually exist, either. And this is important, why exactly?
Quote:You know what they do with the art, when they make new icons for things inside your ship? MAKE IT UP. So?
Quote:Your bad points are entirely arbitrary. No. They follow the principles of good UI (and specifically icon) design. It's not so much arbitrary as the result of at least two entire fields of research and a small country's GDP worth of money that has gone into R&D at companies such as Microsoft, Google, and Apple.
Quote:Literally, you're sitting here saying 'Hey, CCP! I know you spent money and time on this and all, but I don't like it. You should waste some more money to meet my entirely arbitrary art-school list of demands.' No, that's as usual not at all what I'm saying, but nice try on yourGǪ what is it? Fortieth?GǪ straw man of the thread.
I'm saying GÇ£Hey, CCP. You shouldn't have wasted that money and time on this deterioration. You can fix it at zero cost because you already have the assets.GÇ¥ And maybe, as an addendum GÇ£look at that waste as a the cost of learning GÇö think about the reason why before you change things the next time.GÇ¥
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Xander Riggs
Star Surfers
Coalition of Free Stars
27
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Posted - 2011.09.13 23:00:00 -
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Sums it all up, right there. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
149
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Posted - 2011.09.13 23:01:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:Sums it all up, right there. So you agree then. Good.
CCP, give us back the oldactual turret icons.
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Lady Spank
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.09.13 23:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:ITT: Easily confused people. No. ITT: people who dislike functional deterioration (because that's what has happened GÇö the new icons pictures are functionally inferior to the old (actual) icons). GǪand I don't see the need to create new new ones, when there already exists a full set of icons that match the prevalent UI design. Just go back to using those (and send the person who decided to ditch the icons for pictures as UI elements to a basic class in HMI design).
current 'awesome' icons are bulllshit. fix them pls, BY REDACTING ****** CHANGES THANKS
Get Out, Nasty Face |
Xander Riggs
Star Surfers
Coalition of Free Stars
27
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Posted - 2011.09.13 23:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Sums it all up, right there. So you agree then. Good. CCP, give us back the oldactual turret icons.
Oh, not in the slightest, but you'll just keep saying my arguments are straw men while you spout unfounded claims of your own, so I'm content to let sleeping dogs lie and agree to disagree. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
75
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Posted - 2011.09.13 23:11:00 -
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I start to get the feeling that Xander photoshopped these images for us from the actual models and now he doesn't want them to get trashed. Clear CCP alt spotted. Tinhat on. There is no spoon.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.13 23:11:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:you'll just keep saying my arguments are straw men Only if you keep making straw man arguments by arguing claims I don't make.
Quote:while you spout unfounded claims of your own It's not entirely unfounded to think that you agree when you can't evade arguments rather than counter them, and when you can't answer even very simple questionsGǪ
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Xander Riggs
Star Surfers
Coalition of Free Stars
28
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Posted - 2011.09.13 23:12:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:I start to get the feeling that Xander photoshopped these images for us from the actual models and now he doesn't want them to get trashed. Clear CCP alt spotted. Tinhat on. There is no spoon.
Nah, I just don't get my **** tied in a knot every time anything changes.
"SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
155
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Posted - 2011.09.13 23:14:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:Nah, I just don't get my **** tied in a knot every time anything changes. Excellent. Then we can petition CCP to add a functionality where everything that appears in your (personal or corp) hangar and wallet is immediately transferred to me instead.
Because change is good. 
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Riggs Droput
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
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Posted - 2011.09.13 23:16:00 -
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I dislike the new icons as well.
If you look at the icons on your PC for your word editor or your web browser they do not look like what they are. How difficult would it be if Microsoft made all of their icons look like the program you were to open. How easy would it be to tell the difference between Word, Excel, Power Point, and Internet Explorer. All of these programs share a common look. This would make it near impossible to tell what the differences are between the programs.
Icons should be designed to the most simple design format to be able to easily tell the difference at a glance. Also they should stand out against any background no matter the color.
It is basic design theory.
The least they could do would be give us an option on which icons we would like to use.
Riggs
I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees |
Xander Riggs
Star Surfers
Coalition of Free Stars
28
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Posted - 2011.09.13 23:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Nah, I just don't get my **** tied in a knot every time anything changes. Excellent. Then we can petition CCP to add a functionality where everything that appears in your (personal or corp) hangar and wallet is immediately transferred to me instead. Because change is good.
So i herd u liek irony
"SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
Eric Xallen
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.09.13 23:42:00 -
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I personally don't like the new auto cannon icons, they are too dark, and hard to see which ones you have on which targets (especially against some backdrops).
You shouldn't have to look hard to see which targets your guns are firing at, they should be lit up like Christmas trees. |
Psychophantic
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Posted - 2011.09.13 23:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Nah, I just don't get my **** tied in a knot every time anything changes. Excellent. Then we can petition CCP to add a functionality where everything that appears in your (personal or corp) hangar and wallet is immediately transferred to me instead. Because change is good.
Doesn't your school have a debate class or something?
There's no prize for winning the internets.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
155
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Posted - 2011.09.13 23:54:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:Doesn't your school have a debate class or something? Nope. And either way, I'd have to finish Pedagogy II before being qualified to give it beyond the odd seminar or twoGǪ
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Sonva Lat
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.14 00:06:00 -
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The internet is full of cunning linguists and master debaters.
However, icons aren't about words - they are meant to be a quick and convenient way to relay information without using words.
The old icons did that.
The new ones don't.
Icons work best when they are clear, colorful and abstract.
The new icons are none of those things. |
Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
16
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Posted - 2011.09.14 01:09:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Could someone with the knowledge let me/us know if there are plans to restore these?
The new icons are really messy compared to old ones and really difficult to see in space. I know very few - if any - who would disagree about old icons being better and easier to tell the difference between each other.
We could go back to DOS 1.1 too...
C:>
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Hicksimus
Mom's Friendly Spaceship Company
20
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Posted - 2011.09.14 01:43:00 -
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If I got in my car tomorrow and found out Nissan had changed the numbers on my speedometer to images of how blurry the center median is at that speed I'd be bothered at the lack of function but then I'd realize I don't rely on my speedometer at all and not care......the same applies here, there is only an issue here if you have too much time on your hands go fly your damn ship.
The pictures are definitely ugly though but so are the gauges in my Silvia and I still <3 it...... |
Leon Razor
Measure Zero
0
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Posted - 2011.09.14 02:27:00 -
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From the Special CSM summit, June 30th - July 1st 2011, meeting minutes
Quote:The CSM stated that although the new gun effects are very nice, the new gun icons leave something to
be desired and are difficult to distinguish from each other. The CSM felt they were too dark and
generally hard to see. CCP agreed there was room for improvement, and stated that work was already
underway on this matter.
Hopefully we see this by the next expansion. |
Panhead4411
Rulers of Many
United For 0rder
0
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Posted - 2011.09.14 03:57:00 -
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I agree w/ OP...
Yes they look neat when in hanger or on market screen...
But when i can't tell the difference between most of the guns when they are tasked on a target...(with the dark/obscured background of space) it gets a bit ridiculous.
Like, when i'm mining (puts on flame suit) i know i'm NOT shooting asteroids at the rocks to get ore out of them, but that's EXACTLY what the new "icon" looks like on my modules and target UI sections...
And to whomever said they could tell the color bands for T2 guns on the target section of the UI....i'd really like to know how big of a screen you have and how close you are sitting to it... |
Kartaugh
CyberNet Holdings
2
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Posted - 2011.09.14 05:35:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:You think they blend in with the background. I don't. They look just fine beside the target locked.
Let me get this straight.
You believe a blurry, black/grey picture superimposed on a black background (i.e. SPACE) does NOT blend in?
Gimme some of what you're smoking, 'cause it must be very good...
That incredible amount of detail in the new "icons" is nearly impossible to make out when they are superimposed on a background that absorbs their main colors and shades.
Stop being disingenuous.
"It's not that I am afraid to die. I just don't want to be there when it happens." - Boris Grushenko |
Valhallas
The Executioners
Capital.Punishment
1
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Posted - 2011.09.14 12:21:00 -
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Bring back the old icons.
They were more iconic.
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.14 12:39:00 -
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If I didn't think Tippia was getting trolled so hard by Xander I might be inclined to explain why simple representations are far superior to representing complex ideas than the complex ideas themselves.
On the other hand, the idea that Xander is a CCP dev from the art department desperately attempting to justify his catastrophic disaster in judgment is quite plausible.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
5
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Posted - 2011.09.14 12:49:00 -
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Sonva Lat wrote:
However, icons aren't about words - they are meant to be a quick and convenient way to relay information without using words.
The old icons did that.
The new ones don't.
Icons work best when they are clear, colorful and abstract.
The new icons are none of those things.
Have to agree here, the new 'icons' are not Icons. They are a set of "wouldnt_it_be_cool_if_we_showed_how_detailed_we_could_make_tiny_pictures_of_our_new_guns"
Icons shouldnt be about geting as much detail as possible in... they are about functionality.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Paxx Hekki
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
0
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Posted - 2011.09.14 13:17:00 -
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Hi, I'm an EVE player and I also really like to complain.
RABBLE RABBLE BRABRA RABBLE BROOOO |
DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
87
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Posted - 2011.09.14 13:35:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Sonva Lat wrote:
However, icons aren't about words - they are meant to be a quick and convenient way to relay information without using words.
The old icons did that.
The new ones don't.
Icons work best when they are clear, colorful and abstract.
The new icons are none of those things.
Have to agree here, the new 'icons' are not Icons. They are a set of "wouldnt_it_be_cool_if_we_showed_how_detailed_we_could_make_tiny_pictures_of_our_new_guns" Icons shouldnt be about geting as much detail as possible in... they are about functionality.
I agree that the new icons are very hard to identify compared to the old ones.
I also don't think this is a very big problem. How many different guns do you guys mount on your ships?
One type of gun and maybe a group of launchers and/or neuts covers 99% of the fits. Why do you need to see the type of gun from the icon?
Are the new icons bad? Yes
Does it bother me? No
Fix FW ! |
Mona X
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Northern Coalition.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.14 13:46:00 -
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This^^
I have worked out system to quickly recognize new "icons":
1. Dark with high slot icon - no gun
2. Dark with dark blur - some gun
3. Dark - offlined gun.
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