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Zothike Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.14 07:58:00 - [1] Sorry if asked / responded already but i think it's an important point If i'm stuck in a wormhole, like no more probe to find the way out or any reason, if i'm very patient and dont want to self destruct / abandon ship / auto pod, does the wormhole systems i'm in are un reachable forever or one day or another a new wormhole Will open in standard eve system that will allow again the wormhole system to be available again, and by extension an occasio to try this time to get out. If the answer is "yes" do we have any global idea about the lenght of time i'll will have to wait ? hours if i'm very lucky ? if not days ? weeks ? months ? Thanks in advance for answers
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.02.14 08:06:00 - [2] Another wormhole will open in the system. If you don't have the means to find it (probes) it won't help you much unless some helpful and friendly folks come into the system who are willing to help you find your way out.
Zothike Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.14 08:09:00 - [3] ha! interesting Yes indeed, the chance that your friend will find the new wormhole that lead to your wormhole prison are near inexistent, then i think there will be a new type of negociation in game ^^
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.14 08:14:00 - [4] All a combat ship will beed to get out of a wormhole system will be the basic exploration launcher that fits with 15cpu and 1pg, a few probes and basic probing skills. Scan till you find an exit. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman

CCP Prism X Gallente C C P CCP	Posted - 2009.02.14 09:06:00 - [5] You won't find an exist without scanner probes, or help from someone with scanner probes. I can see a fringe case where someone who already knows of a WH in system A would jump through it without probes and end up in your wormhole space. Theoretically he could help you out by ganging up with you and allowing you to warp to him, but if he were to warp away from the wormhole he'd be in the same situation as you are, unless he had scanner probes as well. So I don't see why anyone would do that for any other reason than help you get out. As a side-note: If you're unlucky enough to disconnect with all of your probes out, you'll have a way of reconnecting to them rather than being utterly shafted. If you get stuck in sleeper space it should be because you made a series of bad decisions and got yourself stuck there. Otherwise our poor GMs would get flooded with a new type of stuck petitions.

Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.14 09:15:00 - [6] Originally by: CCP Prism X Theoretically he could help you out by ganging up with you and allowing you to warp to him, but if he were to warp away from the wormhole he'd be in the same situation as you are, unless he had scanner probes as well. So I don't see why anyone would do that for any other reason than help you get out. He could always bookmark the wormhole exit? Or are they not going to work like that as we all know your extreme love for the little buggers and all the lovely things they do to Prescious err I mean the db cluster.

CCP Prism X Gallente C C P CCP	Posted - 2009.02.14 09:27:00 - [7] MAH WORMY HOLES EAT YOUR BOOKMARKS! But no, I just assumed that it wasn't a possibility. If you have a bookmark out the OPs question is pretty moot. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008.

Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.14 09:41:00 - [8] Edited by: Zeba on 14/02/2009 09:42:38 Nono I mean the guy who poked his head in from empire making a bm at the wormhole exit so if he warped away from it he could get himself and the poor standed guy back out without using any probes. Simply sounded like that might not be possible with your wording. But regardless you answered my question.
mcnuggetlol Amarr Outlandish Operations	Posted - 2009.02.14 09:59:00 - [9] I may as well post this here, just a quick question. Is it at all feasible to set up and maintain a POS in WS? Will there be greater financial rewards for doing so then in regular space?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.14 10:14:00 - [10] Originally by: mcnuggetlol I may as well post this here, just a quick question. Is it at all feasible to set up and maintain a POS in WS? Will there be greater financial rewards for doing so then in regular space? Should be pretty easy to keep a pos fueled in w-space. Once you start runing low have you prober find an exit that leads to empire or possibly low sec. Once found then as long as the time and mass limits are sufficient to let your itty v get all the stuff and come back you will be fine. Should make for a nice distributed market system of small amounts of pos fuel and common suppies spread out all over empire and low sec with competitive t3 buy orders so if a pilot pokes his head out he won't have far to go to resupply and dump the t3 loot.
Zothike Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.14 10:27:00 - [11] thanks for all reply so far buT my main question (perhaps badly formulated initially ) is : if i'm in WH space and there is no more WH way out nor way in (total maximum mass reached) then can i wait (and statisticaly how long) before a new WH way in and then i gess WH way out is generated (during downtime ?) to allow me to have a chance to get out by my proper mean or by potential exterior help
Kylezanto Minmatar The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.02.14 10:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: mcnuggetlol I may as well post this here, just a quick question. Is it at all feasible to set up and maintain a POS in WS? Will there be greater financial rewards for doing so then in regular space? Should be pretty easy to keep a pos fueled in w-space. Once you start runing low have you prober find an exit that leads to empire or possibly low sec. Once found then as long as the time and mass limits are sufficient to let your itty v get all the stuff and come back you will be fine. Should make for a nice distributed market system of small amounts of pos fuel and common suppies spread out all over empire and low sec with competitive t3 buy orders so if a pilot pokes his head out he won't have far to go to resupply and dump the t3 loot. It can also open to 0.0 space, which afaik there is more of :)
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.14 10:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Zothike thanks for all reply so far buT my main question (perhaps badly formulated initially ) is : if i'm in WH space and there is no more WH way out nor way in (total maximum mass reached) then can i wait (and statisticaly how long) before a new WH way in and then i gess WH way out is generated (during downtime ?) to allow me to have a chance to get out by my proper mean or by potential exterior help There will always be a wormhole though were it will lead is random. So as soon as one is gone another immediatly spawns and you just have to find it. Originally by: Kylezanto It can also open to 0.0 space, which afaik there is more of :) Which is why you start scanning when your stocks are getting low and not when they are about to run out. That way if a string of undesirable destinations is spawned you will still have plenty of time to find one thats suitable. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.02.14 10:35:00 - [14] Originally by: CCP Prism X ...Otherwise our poor GMs would get flooded with a new type of stuck petitions. They will get flooded with stuck petitions anyway
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.02.14 10:37:00 - [15] Originally by: CCP Prism X If you get stuck in sleeper space it should be because you made a series of bad decisions and got yourself stuck there. What if i PLAN to get stuck there My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.02.14 10:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: CCP Prism X If you get stuck in sleeper space it should be because you made a series of bad decisions and got yourself stuck there. What if i PLAN to get stuck there Then it was a BAD plan!
Kereteka	Posted - 2009.02.14 10:48:00 - [17] And what about cyno - and - cap. ship - jumping in and out to WH space ? Thx for answer :)
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.14 10:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: CCP Prism X ...Otherwise our poor GMs would get flooded with a new type of stuck petitions. They will get flooded with stuck petitions anyway God you know it will be true. Then when the inevitable gm reply states 'sorry if you lose your ship in w-space and have no bookmarks to a current wormhole or a freind with a probe ship along you will have to self destruct your pod to get out'. Cue lots of emorage threads with ****ed off empire carebares who took their deadspace fitted faction bs solo into w-space only to have it instagibbed by the rats. Thus: 'WTF CCCP U R ALL STUPID HOW CAUSE I LOST MI 4 BILLN ISK SHIP TOO DUMB RATS AND NOW MY HG CRYSTALS TOO. CCCCP U SUX CANT MAK BALINCE GAME OMGOMGOMG RAAAAAAAAGE!!!!!!!!!'
Braaage Ministry of Craft	Posted - 2009.02.14 10:57:00 - [19] There's a huge thread on Wormholes already with tons of dev posts in it. I took the liberty of trawling through all 50 pages and extracting the information from it in an easy to read single page. It has most answers to most questions.

CCP Prism X Gallente C C P CCP	Posted - 2009.02.14 11:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Braaage There's a huge thread on Wormholes already with tons of dev posts in it. I took the liberty of trawling through all 50 pages and extracting the information from it in an easy to read single page. It has most answers to most questions. +1 Internets for you. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008.

Sensor Error SensorTech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.14 11:52:00 - [21] Originally by: CCP Prism X MAH WORMY HOLES EAT YOUR BOOKMARKS! But no, I just assumed that it wasn't a possibility. If you have a bookmark out the OPs question is pretty moot. Hmm... a new type of ransoming here... "Pay me one TRILLION Isk, or I'll fly through your wormhole repeatedly and use up all your transference allowance! Mwuahahah!#" Let's see how useful your bookmark is then! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
Venduras	Posted - 2009.02.14 12:09:00 - [22] Edited by: Venduras on 14/02/2009 12:11:25 Originally by: CCP Prism X Originally by: Braaage There's a huge thread on Wormholes already with tons of dev posts in it. I took the liberty of trawling through all 50 pages and extracting the information from it in an easy to read single page. It has most answers to most questions. +1 Internets for you. In that I read Quote: Q - I hope your not adding a bunch of t1 mins (no matter how valuble) that can be mined in this region - just look at what the drone regions did to low sec ore prices.. A - The drone region issue was a result of being able to "mine with guns", rather than the addition of new asteroid belts. If you realize it's a mistake, why not fix it? Low-sec ore is so worthless because of it (Nocx and Iso prices). Redistribute the minerals given by drone wrecks or something... One Q I didn't see in there, can you open fire on a wormhole? Say you don't like the exit and don't want potential enemies coming to your W-System, or that you are being chased and want to close the door behind you.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.14 12:42:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Prism X Otherwise our poor GMs would get flooded with a new type of stuck petitions. The fact that people can get stuck assures they'll get a new type of stuck petition regardless. :)
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.14 12:46:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Prism X As a side-note: If you're unlucky enough to disconnect with all of your probes out, you'll have a way of reconnecting to them rather than being utterly shafted. sniffles I love you. Have my internetz baby? Losing probes to disconnects is sooooo irritating.
Xavier Zedicus	Posted - 2009.02.14 12:53:00 - [25] don't take implant clones into worm hole space and your golden in the worst of situations.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.02.14 13:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: CCP Prism X Otherwise our poor GMs would get flooded with a new type of stuck petitions. The fact that people can get stuck assures they'll get a new type of stuck petition regardless. :) It'll also spawn a new type of copy/paste response: "You will have to self-destruct your pod in order to leave the wormhole system. This will respawn you at your medical clone location. I am sorry for the inconvenience and wish you a quick recovery from your loss."
Venus Felix	Posted - 2009.02.16 14:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Venduras In that I read Quote: Q - I hope your not adding a bunch of t1 mins (no matter how valuble) that can be mined in this region - just look at what the drone regions did to low sec ore prices.. A - The drone region issue was a result of being able to "mine with guns", rather than the addition of new asteroid belts. If you realize it's a mistake, why not fix it? Low-sec ore is so worthless because of it (Nocx and Iso prices). Redistribute the minerals given by drone wrecks or something... They've already done that once. That was about 6-9 months after the drone regions were opened. I think the "The drone region issue" refers to what it was like before that. (Morphite was down to 4k and Zydrine slightly above 1k IIRC)
Phantom Slave JUDGE DREAD Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.16 16:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Zothike thanks for all reply so far buT my main question (perhaps badly formulated initially ) is : if i'm in WH space and there is no more WH way out nor way in (total maximum mass reached) then can i wait (and statisticaly how long) before a new WH way in and then i gess WH way out is generated (during downtime ?) to allow me to have a chance to get out by my proper mean or by potential exterior help There will ALWAYS be a way out of WH Space. The moment the wormhole you used to get there collapses, a new one will pop open to another random system.
Alora Venoda GalTech Whiskey Creek Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 16:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Venus Felix Originally by: Venduras In that I read Quote: Q - I hope your not adding a bunch of t1 mins (no matter how valuble) that can be mined in this region - just look at what the drone regions did to low sec ore prices.. A - The drone region issue was a result of being able to "mine with guns", rather than the addition of new asteroid belts. If you realize it's a mistake, why not fix it? Low-sec ore is so worthless because of it (Nocx and Iso prices). Redistribute the minerals given by drone wrecks or something... They've already done that once. That was about 6-9 months after the drone regions were opened. I think the "The drone region issue" refers to what it was like before that. (Morphite was down to 4k and Zydrine slightly above 1k IIRC) this is true. the high end mineral prices are back to where they were before the drone regions were opened. however, that doesn't change the fact that veldspar is worth more than other ore in hi-sec or low-sec, which is mainly due to titanium prices above 4.0 which ultimately is the result of shuttles no longer being sold by NPC's, which had placed an artificial price ceiling at 3.0 on trit. with that ceiling removed, veldspar is worth more than jaspet and hemorphite. it seems the only way to "fix" the current balance of ore values without drastic changes (such as modifying ore yields), would be to add some new source of tritanium to lower the price and make other ores more valuable once again. but with plans to overhaul mining on the horizon, we may as well just wait until then. another needed fix for mining is the lack or ore in hi-sec... ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.16 17:17:00 - [30] Originally by: Alora Venoda another needed fix for mining is the lack or ore in hi-sec... Three words for unlimited roids in your very own private belt. Mine your missions. It take a little setting up to do as you need multiple agents in one system but the bonus is tons of ore and no mineral tax from the station owners after your standings get high enough. Plus the scenery in the majority of missions that have ore is far far prettier than what you get in the normal belts out in the middle of empty space with maybe a planet nearby to look at. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman

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