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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 07:58:00 -
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Sorry if asked / responded already but i think it's an important point
If i'm stuck in a wormhole, like no more probe to find the way out or any reason, if i'm very patient and dont want to self destruct / abandon ship / auto pod, does the wormhole systems i'm in are un reachable forever or one day or another a new wormhole Will open in standard eve system that will allow again the wormhole system to be available again, and by extension an occasio to try this time to get out.
If the answer is "yes" do we have any global idea about the lenght of time i'll will have to wait ?
hours if i'm very lucky ? if not days ? weeks ? months ?
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.02.14 08:06:00 -
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Another wormhole will open in the system. If you don't have the means to find it (probes) it won't help you much unless some helpful and friendly folks come into the system who are willing to help you find your way out. |
Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 08:09:00 -
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ha! interesting
Yes indeed, the chance that your friend will find the new wormhole that lead to your wormhole prison are near inexistent, then i think there will be a new type of negociation in game ^^
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.14 08:14:00 -
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All a combat ship will beed to get out of a wormhole system will be the basic exploration launcher that fits with 15cpu and 1pg, a few probes and basic probing skills. Scan till you find an exit.
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
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CCP Prism X
Gallente
C C P
CCP
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Posted - 2009.02.14 09:06:00 -
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You won't find an exist without scanner probes, or help from someone with scanner probes. I can see a fringe case where someone who already knows of a WH in system A would jump through it without probes and end up in your wormhole space. Theoretically he could help you out by ganging up with you and allowing you to warp to him, but if he were to warp away from the wormhole he'd be in the same situation as you are, unless he had scanner probes as well. So I don't see why anyone would do that for any other reason than help you get out.
As a side-note: If you're unlucky enough to disconnect with all of your probes out, you'll have a way of reconnecting to them rather than being utterly shafted. If you get stuck in sleeper space it should be because you made a series of bad decisions and got yourself stuck there. Otherwise our poor GMs would get flooded with a new type of stuck petitions.  |
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.14 09:15:00 -
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 Originally by: CCP Prism X
Theoretically he could help you out by ganging up with you and allowing you to warp to him, but if he were to warp away from the wormhole he'd be in the same situation as you are, unless he had scanner probes as well. So I don't see why anyone would do that for any other reason than help you get out.
He could always bookmark the wormhole exit? Or are they not going to work like that as we all know your extreme love for the little buggers and all the lovely things they do to Prescious err I mean the db cluster.  |
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CCP Prism X
Gallente
C C P
CCP
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Posted - 2009.02.14 09:27:00 -
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MAH WORMY HOLES EAT YOUR BOOKMARKS!
But no, I just assumed that it wasn't a possibility. If you have a bookmark out the OPs question is pretty moot.
~ Prism X
EvE Database Developer
Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006.
Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008. |
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.14 09:41:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 14/02/2009 09:42:38
Nono I mean the guy who poked his head in from empire making a bm at the wormhole exit so if he warped away from it he could get himself and the poor standed guy back out without using any probes. Simply sounded like that might not be possible with your wording. But regardless you answered my question.  |
mcnuggetlol
Amarr
Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.14 09:59:00 -
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I may as well post this here, just a quick question.
Is it at all feasible to set up and maintain a POS in WS? Will there be greater financial rewards for doing so then in regular space? |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.14 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: mcnuggetlol
I may as well post this here, just a quick question.
Is it at all feasible to set up and maintain a POS in WS? Will there be greater financial rewards for doing so then in regular space?
Should be pretty easy to keep a pos fueled in w-space. Once you start runing low have you prober find an exit that leads to empire or possibly low sec. Once found then as long as the time and mass limits are sufficient to let your itty v get all the stuff and come back you will be fine. Should make for a nice distributed market system of small amounts of pos fuel and common suppies spread out all over empire and low sec with competitive t3 buy orders so if a pilot pokes his head out he won't have far to go to resupply and dump the t3 loot. |
Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 10:27:00 -
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thanks for all reply so far buT my main question (perhaps badly formulated initially ) is : if i'm in WH space and there is no more WH way out nor way in (total maximum mass reached) then can i wait (and statisticaly how long) before a new WH way in and then i gess WH way out is generated (during downtime ?) to allow me to have a chance to get out by my proper mean or by potential exterior help
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Kylezanto
Minmatar
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2009.02.14 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: mcnuggetlol
I may as well post this here, just a quick question.
Is it at all feasible to set up and maintain a POS in WS? Will there be greater financial rewards for doing so then in regular space?
Should be pretty easy to keep a pos fueled in w-space. Once you start runing low have you prober find an exit that leads to empire or possibly low sec. Once found then as long as the time and mass limits are sufficient to let your itty v get all the stuff and come back you will be fine. Should make for a nice distributed market system of small amounts of pos fuel and common suppies spread out all over empire and low sec with competitive t3 buy orders so if a pilot pokes his head out he won't have far to go to resupply and dump the t3 loot.
It can also open to 0.0 space, which afaik there is more of :)
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.14 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zothike
thanks for all reply so far buT my main question (perhaps badly formulated initially ) is : if i'm in WH space and there is no more WH way out nor way in (total maximum mass reached) then can i wait (and statisticaly how long) before a new WH way in and then i gess WH way out is generated (during downtime ?) to allow me to have a chance to get out by my proper mean or by potential exterior help
There will always be a wormhole though were it will lead is random. So as soon as one is gone another immediatly spawns and you just have to find it.
Originally by: Kylezanto
It can also open to 0.0 space, which afaik there is more of :)
Which is why you start scanning when your stocks are getting low and not when they are about to run out. That way if a string of undesirable destinations is spawned you will still have plenty of time to find one thats suitable.
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.02.14 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
...Otherwise our poor GMs would get flooded with a new type of stuck petitions.
They will get flooded with stuck petitions anyway
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.14 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
If you get stuck in sleeper space it should be because you made a series of bad decisions and got yourself stuck there.
What if i PLAN to get stuck there 
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.02.14 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: CCP Prism X
If you get stuck in sleeper space it should be because you made a series of bad decisions and got yourself stuck there.
What if i PLAN to get stuck there
Then it was a BAD plan!
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Kereteka
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Posted - 2009.02.14 10:48:00 -
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And what about cyno - and - cap. ship - jumping in and out to WH space ?
Thx for answer :) |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.14 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: CCP Prism X
...Otherwise our poor GMs would get flooded with a new type of stuck petitions.
They will get flooded with stuck petitions anyway
God you know it will be true. Then when the inevitable gm reply states 'sorry if you lose your ship in w-space and have no bookmarks to a current wormhole or a freind with a probe ship along you will have to self destruct your pod to get out'. Cue lots of emorage threads with ****ed off empire carebares who took their deadspace fitted faction bs solo into w-space only to have it instagibbed by the rats.
Thus: 'WTF CCCP U R ALL STUPID HOW CAUSE I LOST MI 4 BILLN ISK SHIP TOO DUMB RATS AND NOW MY HG CRYSTALS TOO. CCCCP U SUX CANT MAK BALINCE GAME OMGOMGOMG RAAAAAAAAGE!!!!!!!!!' |
Braaage
Ministry of Craft
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Posted - 2009.02.14 10:57:00 -
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There's a huge thread on Wormholes already with tons of dev posts in it. I took the liberty of trawling through all 50 pages and extracting the information from it in an easy to read single page.
It has most answers to most questions. |
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CCP Prism X
Gallente
C C P
CCP
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Posted - 2009.02.14 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Braaage
There's a huge thread on Wormholes already with tons of dev posts in it. I took the liberty of trawling through all 50 pages and extracting the information from it in an easy to read single page.
It has most answers to most questions.
+1 Internets for you.
~ Prism X
EvE Database Developer
Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006.
Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008. |
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Sensor Error
SensorTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.14 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
MAH WORMY HOLES EAT YOUR BOOKMARKS!
But no, I just assumed that it wasn't a possibility. If you have a bookmark out the OPs question is pretty moot.
Hmm... a new type of ransoming here...
"Pay me one TRILLION Isk, or I'll fly through your wormhole repeatedly and use up all your transference allowance! Mwuahahah!#"
Let's see how useful your bookmark is then!
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
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Venduras
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Posted - 2009.02.14 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Venduras on 14/02/2009 12:11:25
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Originally by: Braaage
There's a huge thread on Wormholes already with tons of dev posts in it. I took the liberty of trawling through all 50 pages and extracting the information from it in an easy to read single page.
It has most answers to most questions.
+1 Internets for you.
In that I read
Quote:
Q - I hope your not adding a bunch of t1 mins (no matter how valuble) that can be mined in this region - just look at what the drone regions did to low sec ore prices..
A - The drone region issue was a result of being able to "mine with guns", rather than the addition of new asteroid belts.
If you realize it's a mistake, why not fix it? Low-sec ore is so worthless because of it (Nocx and Iso prices).
Redistribute the minerals given by drone wrecks or something...
One Q I didn't see in there, can you open fire on a wormhole?
Say you don't like the exit and don't want potential enemies coming to your W-System, or that you are being chased and want to close the door behind you.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.14 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
Otherwise our poor GMs would get flooded with a new type of stuck petitions.
The fact that people can get stuck assures they'll get a new type of stuck petition regardless. :) |
Rondo Gunn
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.02.14 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
As a side-note: If you're unlucky enough to disconnect with all of your probes out, you'll have a way of reconnecting to them rather than being utterly shafted.
*sniffles* I love you. Have my internetz baby?
Losing probes to disconnects is sooooo irritating. |
Xavier Zedicus
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Posted - 2009.02.14 12:53:00 -
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don't take implant clones into worm hole space and your golden in the worst of situations. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.02.14 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Otherwise our poor GMs would get flooded with a new type of stuck petitions.
The fact that people can get stuck assures they'll get a new type of stuck petition regardless. :)
It'll also spawn a new type of copy/paste response: "You will have to self-destruct your pod in order to leave the wormhole system. This will respawn you at your medical clone location. I am sorry for the inconvenience and wish you a quick recovery from your loss." |
Venus Felix
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Posted - 2009.02.16 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Venduras
In that I read
Quote:
Q - I hope your not adding a bunch of t1 mins (no matter how valuble) that can be mined in this region - just look at what the drone regions did to low sec ore prices..
A - The drone region issue was a result of being able to "mine with guns", rather than the addition of new asteroid belts.
If you realize it's a mistake, why not fix it? Low-sec ore is so worthless because of it (Nocx and Iso prices).
Redistribute the minerals given by drone wrecks or something...
They've already done that once. That was about 6-9 months after the drone regions were opened. I think the "The drone region issue" refers to what it was like before that. (Morphite was down to 4k and Zydrine slightly above 1k IIRC)
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Phantom Slave
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zothike
thanks for all reply so far buT my main question (perhaps badly formulated initially ) is : if i'm in WH space and there is no more WH way out nor way in (total maximum mass reached) then can i wait (and statisticaly how long) before a new WH way in and then i gess WH way out is generated (during downtime ?) to allow me to have a chance to get out by my proper mean or by potential exterior help
There will ALWAYS be a way out of WH Space. The moment the wormhole you used to get there collapses, a new one will pop open to another random system.
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Alora Venoda
GalTech
Whiskey Creek Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Venus Felix
Originally by: Venduras
In that I read
Quote:
Q - I hope your not adding a bunch of t1 mins (no matter how valuble) that can be mined in this region - just look at what the drone regions did to low sec ore prices..
A - The drone region issue was a result of being able to "mine with guns", rather than the addition of new asteroid belts.
If you realize it's a mistake, why not fix it? Low-sec ore is so worthless because of it (Nocx and Iso prices).
Redistribute the minerals given by drone wrecks or something...
They've already done that once. That was about 6-9 months after the drone regions were opened. I think the "The drone region issue" refers to what it was like before that. (Morphite was down to 4k and Zydrine slightly above 1k IIRC)
this is true. the high end mineral prices are back to where they were before the drone regions were opened. however, that doesn't change the fact that veldspar is worth more than other ore in hi-sec or low-sec, which is mainly due to titanium prices above 4.0 which ultimately is the result of shuttles no longer being sold by NPC's, which had placed an artificial price ceiling at 3.0 on trit. with that ceiling removed, veldspar is worth more than jaspet and hemorphite.
it seems the only way to "fix" the current balance of ore values without drastic changes (such as modifying ore yields), would be to add some new source of tritanium to lower the price and make other ores more valuable once again. but with plans to overhaul mining on the horizon, we may as well just wait until then.
another needed fix for mining is the lack or ore in hi-sec...
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Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application. |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.16 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alora Venoda
another needed fix for mining is the lack or ore in hi-sec...
Three words for unlimited roids in your very own private belt. Mine your missions. It take a little setting up to do as you need multiple agents in one system but the bonus is tons of ore and no mineral tax from the station owners after your standings get high enough. Plus the scenery in the majority of missions that have ore is far far prettier than what you get in the normal belts out in the middle of empty space with maybe a planet nearby to look at. 
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Alora Venoda
GalTech
Whiskey Creek Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.16 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Alora Venoda
another needed fix for mining is the lack or ore in hi-sec...
Three words for unlimited roids in your very own private belt. Mine your missions. It take a little setting up to do as you need multiple agents in one system but the bonus is tons of ore and no mineral tax from the station owners after your standings get high enough. Plus the scenery in the majority of missions that have ore is far far prettier than what you get in the normal belts out in the middle of empty space with maybe a planet nearby to look at.
oh i certainly take advantage of ore in missions, but that's really more of a workaround.
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Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application. |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.16 17:33:00 -
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Workaround? Sheese 4 hulks and an orca can't keep up with all the ore a few missions can produce. How big is your operation?
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
cpt Mark
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Posted - 2009.02.16 17:37:00 -
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No guarantee the next wormhole will take you home.
Can you setup jump gates? or cyno fields to get the hell out?
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Bigpimping
Pimp Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 17:39:00 -
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hells nah
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He who pimps, is God... |
Alora Venoda
GalTech
Whiskey Creek Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.16 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Workaround? Sheese 4 hulks and an orca can't keep up with all the ore a few missions can produce. How big is your operation?
you misunderstand. by "workaround" i am saying that i don't think CCP designed the game such that combat missions should become the primary means to obtain ore.
while there are some VERY large ore spawns in certain missions, it should not be required to get these missions. plus the ones where you have to slowboat through two pockets to get the ore can be annoying.
i would be curious to see the stats on just what percentage of minerals comes from mission ore vs belt ore vs reprocessing.
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Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application. |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.16 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alora Venoda
you misunderstand. by "workaround" i am saying that i don't think CCP designed the game such that combat missions should become the primary means to obtain ore.
while there are some VERY large ore spawns in certain missions, it should not be required to get these missions. plus the ones where you have to slowboat through two pockets to get the ore can be annoying.
i would be curious to see the stats on just what percentage of minerals comes from mission ore vs belt ore vs reprocessing.
If it wasn't intended they why have mineable ore in a mission at all? There are plenty of attractive non-mineable roids they could use instead of the generic ugly ore roids for scenery so it seems its there on purpose for the smart players to figure out. As far as a percentage of eve doing it? Dunno but I have noticed an increased number of hulks warping about at all my favorite multi agent mission systems and this is with the belts already vacuumed clean.
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.21 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ryuga VonRhaiden on 21/02/2009 19:41:19
here comes another question:
now, you are in your pos that needs refueling with your scout ship probing for an exit.
you find a WH and go peek for where it goes: aww, its 0.0 space belonging to an evil alliance! very bad! you enter-exit-enter-exit the WH to consume its mass quickly and collapse it. another WH spawns immediatelly - you find it: it's lowsec full of yarr-evil pirates, no way! you consume its mass and move along. sooner or later you find the space that would be good for you (your alliance space, or friendly space, or high sec...)...
as probes are no more a "consumable" commodity you can do that pretty much forever, till you find Jita...
would this be considered an exploit? any mechanics to avid that?
Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.02.21 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
Originally by: Braaage
<snip>easy to read single page.
It has most answers to most questions.
+1 Internets for you.
Obviously fake information. Statistics clearly state that 80%+ of the content on the internet is of a lewd nature and that page has none 
Either way, the nature and content of W-Space will likely change from now until March 10th and onwards as balancing is done when needed, I have a nasty feeling that the Sleepers will be toned down when the forum is flooded with tales of woe and T3 prices never go below "CEO skimming Alliance coffers" levels
Will be interested in seeing what kind of rocks the belts there has and what kind of belt spawns.
Large semi-static mining operations might justify a POS for however long a full fuel tank lasts.
Now let the Devs get back to work so they can get the damn probing sorted on SiSi so we can get in there and cause havoc!!!!
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Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden
now, you are in your pos that needs refueling with your scout ship probing for an exit.
you find a WH and go peek for where it goes: aww, its 0.0 space belonging to an evil alliance! very bad! you enter-exit-enter-exit the WH to consume its mass quickly and collapse it. another WH spawns immediatelly - you find it: it's lowsec full of yarr-evil pirates, no way! you consume its mass and move along. sooner or later you find the space that would be good for you (your alliance space, or friendly space, or high sec...)...
as probes are no more a "consumable" commodity you can do that pretty much forever, till you find Jita...
would this be considered an exploit? any mechanics to avoid that?
hey!! i thought it was a good question, no answer? :/
Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature. |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:20:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden
Edited by: Ryuga VonRhaiden on 21/02/2009 19:41:19
here comes another question:
now, you are in your pos that needs refueling with your scout ship probing for an exit.
you find a WH and go peek for where it goes: aww, its 0.0 space belonging to an evil alliance! very bad! you enter-exit-enter-exit the WH to consume its mass quickly and collapse it. another WH spawns immediatelly - you find it: it's lowsec full of yarr-evil pirates, no way! you consume its mass and move along. sooner or later you find the space that would be good for you (your alliance space, or friendly space, or high sec...)...
as probes are no more a "consumable" commodity you can do that pretty much forever, till you find Jita...
would this be considered an exploit? any mechanics to avid that?
1.) You are not going to easily collapse a wormhole with a Frigate.
2.) When you go one round trip (in, then out, then try and go back in), you have a three minute timer.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Greening
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:44:00 -
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HELP - WE ARE ALSO STUCK WITH NO EXIT!
We came into the WH area in fleet with out main covert ops guy with probes.. he then left to go back to normal space and WH closed behind him - we are now 5 ships here all with best characters with implants.. and no probes and no way out..
this is IS INSANE.. there shud always be an option to leave this system and return to normal space.... what were the EVE producers thinking when then made this stupid rule!! 
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:02:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Greening
HELP - WE ARE ALSO STUCK WITH NO EXIT!
We came into the WH area in fleet with out main covert ops guy with probes.. he then left to go back to normal space and WH closed behind him - we are now 5 ships here all with best characters with implants.. and no probes and no way out..
this is IS INSANE.. there shud always be an option to leave this system and return to normal space.... what were the EVE producers thinking when then made this stupid rule!!
First rule of WHs - prober first one in and last one out.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:05:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Greening
there shud always be an option to leave this system and return to normal space
As mentioned in the other thread. There is always an option to leave the system — several in fact. You just chose not to be able to use the most convenient one.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:08:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Durzel
Originally by: Greening
HELP - WE ARE ALSO STUCK WITH NO EXIT!
We came into the WH area in fleet with out main covert ops guy with probes.. he then left to go back to normal space and WH closed behind him - we are now 5 ships here all with best characters with implants.. and no probes and no way out..
this is IS INSANE.. there shud always be an option to leave this system and return to normal space.... what were the EVE producers thinking when then made this stupid rule!!
First rule of WHs - prober first one in and last one out.
Better yet, fit a core launcher on utility slots of combat ships for redundancy. If your life depends on it, don't just have one of it available.
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Ideas for: Mining
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