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Burn Mac
Minmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.02.14 16:20:00 -
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I mean HAC's keep both their T1 counterparts bonuses why doesnt Assault Ships do this as well?
The thing that grinds my gear about this is that in my Rifter i have around 43% better tracking than in a Jaguar or Wolf... wth? i want T2 >> T1 in every aspect of it!!
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Kirov Reporting
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Posted - 2009.02.14 16:26:00 -
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solution, nerf the rifter!
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.14 16:30:00 -
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I like the Rifter, I keep killing Jags in it :)
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Elias Modron
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2009.02.14 16:41:00 -
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Iirc the "fourth bonus" is a bonus to racial resists. Being as those resists were bonus by having Frigate V (which everyone would have to fly an assault ship) the bonus just got folded into the ships base stats.
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Burn Mac
Minmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.02.14 17:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Elias Modron
Iirc the "fourth bonus" is a bonus to racial resists. Being as those resists were bonus by having Frigate V (which everyone would have to fly an assault ship) the bonus just got folded into the ships base stats.
Why is the damage bonus still left then?
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Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.14 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Elias Modron
Iirc the "fourth bonus" is a bonus to racial resists. Being as those resists were bonus by having Frigate V (which everyone would have to fly an assault ship) the bonus just got folded into the ships base stats.
That still doesnt explain why they dont have a fourth bonus like HACs. HACs have four bonuses + the resistance bonus rolled into their stat line. As do HICs and CSs. as do every other T2 ship in the game except for AFs.
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Thenoran
Caldari
Hegemony Enterprises
HEGEM0NY
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Posted - 2009.02.14 17:41:00 -
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Originally the 4th bonus was a racial resist bonus but the description was changed to remove that, but the resists remained.
Since T2 resists are not really a bonus but part of a T2 ship, they should have a 4th bonus.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.02.14 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
I like the Rifter, I keep killing Jags in it :)
T1 Frigates are so underrated =(
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Burn Mac
Minmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.02.14 18:54:00 -
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Bumping untill Assault Ships get their 4th bonus
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Major Celine
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Posted - 2009.02.14 18:58:00 -
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Would be nice to see useful t2 frigates next to interceptors instead of AFs...
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Burn Mac
Bumping untill Assault Ships get their 4th bonus
..think you just got yourself a fulltime job.
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Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.14 20:45:00 -
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Ok so...Retribution/Vengeance and Hawk/Harpy get Resist bonus on their original T1 variant. So CCP incorporates it into next ship and leaves it out of description. They get 25% bonus to all resists.
Jaguar/Wolf and Ishkur/Enyo don't get a racial bonus on their original T1 variant. So CCP gives them a bonus to 2 of their resists instead of all 4. They lose 1 bonus in exchange for a boost to 2 out of 4 resists which is not mentioned in their description.
At least put in their description for Jag/Wolf "bonus to EM and Therm resists" and for the Ishkur/Enyo "bonus to kinetic and therm resists".
At least then people can see all 4 bonuses and these threads can be turned into "Give us damage/tracking bonus not resist bonus on jag/wolf/enyo/ishkur!!!" style threads.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.14 20:48:00 -
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Keep the 4th bonus I want a second mid!
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Osiris Andras
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Posted - 2009.02.14 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Keep the 4th bonus I want a second mid!
especially on the retribution. Poor fella, no drone bay and one mid.
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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.15 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Burn Mac
Bumping untill Assault Ships get their 4th bonus
Come on CCP, its not like they could overpower cruisers even with a 4th bonus..
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Morgan La'Chance
Caldari
Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics
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Posted - 2009.02.15 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lisento Slaven
Ok so...Retribution/Vengeance and Hawk/Harpy get Resist bonus on their original T1 variant. So CCP incorporates it into next ship and leaves it out of description. They get 25% bonus to all resists.
No, that's not true.
All AFs have T2 resists. The T2 resists used to be listed as a Frigate bonus, which was false because they were applied before you even entered the ship.
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Max Hardcase
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.02.15 10:05:00 -
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From a balance PoV the real question is why the T2 resist bonus breaks CCP's usual 5%/lvl regimen.
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Kazang
Gallente
Arbitrary Freedom
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Posted - 2009.02.15 11:40:00 -
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Jag/wolf/ishkur/harpy need a tracking bonus.
Enyo needs about 15-20 more cpu and a falloff bonus.
Ret needs another mid and a range bonus.
Vengeance/hawk need another 5% damage bonus because rockets are so incredibly fail.
Other than that, AFs are awesome in every way.
Kazang
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Burn Mac
Minmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.02.15 14:01:00 -
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Dont list T2 resists as a bonus cause it isnt all t2 ships have em and they still have 4 bonus:es (or is it bonii?) so Assault Ships have only 3 bonuses and desperately needs a 4th bonus to make em truly feared 
Jaguar and Wolf, Tracking bonus plx.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.02.15 14:25:00 -
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Quote:
Vengeance/hawk need another 5% damage bonus because rockets are so incredibly fail.
Nah, 25% RoF per AF level. Missile spam ftw!
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Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.15 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Morgan La'Chance
Originally by: Lisento Slaven
Ok so...Retribution/Vengeance and Hawk/Harpy get Resist bonus on their original T1 variant. So CCP incorporates it into next ship and leaves it out of description. They get 25% bonus to all resists.
No, that's not true.
All AFs have T2 resists. The T2 resists used to be listed as a Frigate bonus, which was false because they were applied before you even entered the ship.
Shouldn't the Ret/Veng and Hawk/Harpy have even higher resists then, considering they get the same resist bonus from the T1 variants on top of their T2 resists?
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Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.15 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Arkios Odymei on 15/02/2009 20:46:18
Originally by: Lisento Slaven
Shouldn't the Ret/Veng and Hawk/Harpy have even higher resists then, considering they get the same resist bonus from the T1 variants on top of their T2 resists?
Thats the thing... currently they dont get that T1 carry-over bonus in any way. In fact, all of the AFs only get 1 bonus for having 'Racial' Frigate skill (instead of the normal 2 bonuses for a ship skill like every other ship in the game). Hence AFs only have 3 bonuses (1 for 'Racial' Frigate skill and 2 for Assault Ship skill) where as every other T2 ship has 4 bonuses (2 for each skill). I feel that the ships should get these bonuses carried over from their T1 hull (or even any second bonus for their 'Racial' Frigate skill).
Merlin has 10% hybrid opt range and 5% shield resist per lvl -> Harpy already has the opt range bonus and Hawk doesnt use guns. Therefore they both should get the 5% shield resist per lvl.
Punisher has 10% less laser cap use and 5% armor resist per lvl -> Retribution already has the laser cap use bonus and the Vengeance doesnt use lasers. Therefore they both should get the 5% armor resist per lvl.
Rifter has 5% projectile damage and 7.5% tracking per lvl -> Jaguar and Wolf both already have the damage bonus so all they need is the tracking bonus.
Icursus has 10% hybrid falloff and 5% bonus to hybrid damage per skill lvl -> both Enyo and Ishkur get the damage bonus so all they need is the falloff bonus.
TL;DR:
Caldari AFs should get a 5% shield resist bonus, but they currently dont.
Amarr AFs should get a 5% armor resist bonus, but they currently dont.
Minmatar AFs should get a 7.5% turret tracking bonus, but they currently dont.
Gallente AFs should get a 10% turret falloff bonus, but they currently dont.
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