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Shaktu	Posted - 2009.02.15 02:12:00 - [1] Hey, I know piracy and PvP is a huge part of this game ... but try to have even a little conscience about it when abusing the noobs. Like me. After grind mining for 2 weeks during my trial account, I finally paid for my first month yesterday, trained up Caldari Industry and bought a Badger. So my shiny new badger is 45 minutes old and I'm merrily jetcanning for the first time as I see a ship approaching. I've read that noobs should stick to secure areas, so I'm in .9 space. I assume I'm safe -- I don't really know much about the game yet. Some guy approaches, loots my can and tells me that for $400k he'll give it back. I'm a little **ed and a little scared, I've never had someone grief me before just for fun (I don't have much PvP experience). Although I don't have much, I give this guy $400k and take back my ore. This, of course, makes me attackable. I fly off and retrieve my badger to empty the can, I just wanna call it a night and cut my losses. But the jackass is there, circling the can, waiting for me to play into his hands. I can't believe a fellow player would be this harsh to a noob (I told him it was my first paid day), but he then tells me that unless I give him another $400k, he will destroy my one-hour old ship. He's got me trapped by some kinda weapon, my ship can't move. So I give him everything I have left, telling him I don't have another $400k. He informs me that this is tough luck for me, destroys my ship and ore. I'm crushed. I sit there, numbed at the fact that another player would be so belligerent to a day one noob. I contact him to inform him that I'm so upset, I'm thinking of quitting the game. His response is "OH GOD AWESOME". I exit the game and sit there staring at the screen for 30 minutes. I nearly delete the Eve client twice, but stop myself. Yeah, I was stupid and played into his hands at every step. Yeah, piracy and PvP are a big part of the game. But when you encounter a day one noob in .9 space puttering along in his crappy T1 ship, is it really necessary to inflict the maximum** amount of punishment on the guy? If I had lost the original $400k and 45 minutes of ore, that woulda taught me my lesson and I would have perhaps been a little exhilirated by the whole experience. But to completely destroy such a noob, torturing him every step of the way (doing a countdown in the chat window to my ship's complete destruction, etc), and then express sheer, unadulterated joy at his utter misery is just sick. I can't imagine what kind of person would do such a thing to a complete stranger on a whim. Anyway, I'm done whining. I wasn't looking for a carebear game but neither was I expecting that my first and only interaction with another player would be so remorselessly vicious.
kublai Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.02.15 02:18:00 - [2] You deserve worse.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.02.15 02:22:00 - [3] Drop me a line in game, i can probably suggest a few systems where you wont be hassled and that have a thriving industrial character population; people tend to stick together and watch each others backs in such places- Your mistake was in playing EVE like it was a singleplayer game [i] FOR PONY
Stratego Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises	Posted - 2009.02.15 02:31:00 - [4] Send me a mail ingame Shaktu and ill give you a few pointers.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.15 02:37:00 - [5] Well, there's jerks around, to be sure. Sounds like you got pretty frustrated, but don't let it get you down too much. EVE's a harsh place, but you've learned a valuable lesson VERY cheaply, which is: Trust no one and give nothing you don't have to. Some friendly advice: If someone flips your can, leave. Do not try and recover its contents, don't try and pay to get it back, just quietly warp away. They want you to get flagged so you can be destroyed, that's the only point for them. You can always mine more ore. It's the old rule of playground bullies; they pick on the ones who give the best reactions- so don't react. If you don't play their game, they can't actually DO anything significant to you. Don't respond to them if they smack you in local. Don't try and start a conversation with someone trying to grief you by flipping a can on you. If you see someone approach your can, scoop what you can to your hold and just leave what's there; it's gone. Find and join a good player corp- knowing that with the benefits comes the risk of being attacked under wardec, even in hisec. More friends, better times, and so forth. You might find there's parts of the game you enjoy more than mining- there's a lot to do. If you're intent on mining as your main pasttime, I'd suggest finding some places off the beaten path, the canflippers tend to stay near higher-activity systems. There's plenty of places where you can happily mine for hours with no one bothering you. If you're interested in something other than mining, maybe join EVE University, learn the PVP ropes and even if you decide it's not your thing you'll be more familiar with how to handle yourself. In the end, I hope you stick around. The best revenge you can have is to enjoy yourself. And pod his ass someday, of course. Corp killboard
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.15 02:37:00 - [6] Originally by: kublai You deserve worse. I giggled... Having made a few people quit or tell me they were quitting ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Ashen Angel Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.02.15 02:46:00 - [7] Try hooking up with Eve University. We have a pretty good industrial division, the mining fleet can be especially helpful. We're a core of advanced miners with the skills to really help make the isk/hr shoot through the roof and usually have scheduled ops on weekends and spur of the moment ones during the week (or even pilots willing to park an Orca in a belt for some miners to use as a flying gsc while they are taking care of things like dinner) But even with the management I'd say at least switch to multiple GSCs in a series in a belt. No worry about can flipping with an anchored and passworded can. Just move from one to the next (about 5-6km apart should work just fine for most on cycle times) till you got them full, then bring the industrial to pick up the ore. But you will have to deal with rats in the areas of space you can use them. Mining with a fleet also helps a lot (gang bonuses to yield, haulers on station to prevent theft especially using a GSC for a transfer can) EVE University - Mining Fleet : Mining Specialist
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.15 02:48:00 - [8] Edited by: oodin on 15/02/2009 02:48:47 your mining in a badger AND using jetcans??? why not just mine directly into your badger cargo?? edit convo the guy over me in here..ivy leauge will teach you everything you need to know in eve.good training corp..
Psiri	Posted - 2009.02.15 03:31:00 - [9] This is also what makes EVE so great, I however find the jetcan mechanics to be yet another case of poor game design from CCP. It's just one of many noob-traps in this game.
Jesslyn Daggererux Gallente SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.02.15 03:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Psiri This is also what makes EVE so great, I however find the jetcan mechanics to be yet another case of poor game design from CCP. It's just one of many noob-traps in this game. because it was not the original design. oh and OP, seeing as how it has not been asked....ur stuff, can i haz?
Leiara Knight Gallente The Oblivion Guard	Posted - 2009.02.15 04:31:00 - [11] Power is a, uh... powerful motivator for many people.
Junko Togawa	Posted - 2009.02.15 04:39:00 - [12] This smacks of troll. Jetcan mining in a Badger? However, purely on the assumption it's not, welcome to EvE. This is a blunt but fortunately not that expensive lesson in the reality of this game. NEVER give folks the opportunity to butthurt you, or sure as the sun rises they will, and CCP will not care one whit. The mechanics exist for you to protect yourself from this. Research how the game works, how to keep people from doing this again, and move on. Learn and adapt and overcome, or fall victim to this kind of predation again.
Lea Re Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.02.15 04:40:00 - [13] Edited by: Lea Re on 15/02/2009 04:40:42 Originally by: Psiri This is also what makes EVE so great. And shows how pathetic people can be at the same time. Not that I condone them. I just feel sorry for them as they have to boost their egos by popping a noob.
Lyris Nairn Caldari Sexy Pirate Club	Posted - 2009.02.15 04:52:00 - [14] Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 15/02/2009 04:54:23 Originally by: Shaktu Hey, I know piracy and PvP is a huge part of this game ... but try to have even a little conscience about it when abusing the noobs. Like me. After grind mining for 2 weeks during my trial account, I finally paid for my first month yesterday, trained up Caldari Industry and bought a Badger. So my shiny new badger is 45 minutes old and I'm merrily jetcanning for the first time as I see a ship approaching. I've read that noobs should stick to secure areas, so I'm in .9 space. I assume I'm safe -- I don't really know much about the game yet. Some guy approaches, loots my can and tells me that for $400k he'll give it back. I'm a little **ed and a little scared, I've never had someone grief me before just for fun (I don't have much PvP experience). Although I don't have much, I give this guy $400k and take back my ore. This, of course, makes me attackable. I fly off and retrieve my badger to empty the can, I just wanna call it a night and cut my losses. But the jackass is there, circling the can, waiting for me to play into his hands. I can't believe a fellow player would be this harsh to a noob (I told him it was my first paid day), but he then tells me that unless I give him another $400k, he will destroy my one-hour old ship. He's got me trapped by some kinda weapon, my ship can't move. So I give him everything I have left, telling him I don't have another $400k. He informs me that this is tough luck for me, destroys my ship and ore. I'm crushed. I sit there, numbed at the fact that another player would be so belligerent to a day one noob. I contact him to inform him that I'm so upset, I'm thinking of quitting the game. His response is "OH GOD AWESOME". I exit the game and sit there staring at the screen for 30 minutes. I nearly delete the Eve client twice, but stop myself. Yeah, I was stupid and played into his hands at every step. Yeah, piracy and PvP are a big part of the game. But when you encounter a day one noob in .9 space puttering along in his crappy T1 ship, is it really necessary to inflict the maximum** amount of punishment on the guy? If I had lost the original $400k and 45 minutes of ore, that woulda taught me my lesson and I would have perhaps been a little exhilirated by the whole experience. But to completely destroy such a noob, torturing him every step of the way (doing a countdown in the chat window to my ship's complete destruction, etc), and then express sheer, unadulterated joy at his utter misery is just sick. I can't imagine what kind of person would do such a thing to a complete stranger on a whim. Anyway, I'm done whining. I wasn't looking for a carebear game but neither was I expecting that my first and only interaction with another player would be so remorselessly vicious. I can sum up his thought process for you very quickly: 'EVE is PVP, quit being a carebear and l2p or go back to WOW.' or 'Good I hope you quit, that's one less carebear whining to the devs to make the game safer.' With all my Love, 'Little Cinnamon'
Alowishus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.02.15 05:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Shaktu I've never had someone grief me before just for fun He wasn't griefing you for fun, he was griefing you for 400k ISK, as you said. /makes fart noise
Zenethalos Minmatar Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.15 06:49:00 - [16] Edited by: Zenethalos on 15/02/2009 06:53:44 Quote: and only interaction with another player would be so remorselessly vicious. I can sum up his thought process for you very quickly: 'EVE is PVP, quit being a carebear and l2p or go back to WOW.' or 'Good I hope you quit, that's one less carebear whining to the devs to make the game safer.' Yes clearly eve is PVP. Mining Barges do not exist and everything you see on the market is generated by PVP. Large entities in eve that are self sufficient do not have a non PVP wing that supply them with equipment at cost. There are no such things as players that enjoy sitting in a belt with a few others getting filthy rich. Yes eve is PVP clearly. Don't listen to "players" like this. Jimer has it right in his post. Don't let a group of asshats that want easy ganks tell you pvp is the way. Mine your brains out and find some people you enjoy doing it with and get filthy rich then hire guys like us (noir) to shoot asshats like those above and those that would grief you. /end rant On a civil note I hope you learnt from your mistake. Every one is entitled to make one. I do agree though eve needs less whiny carebears. I dont't cry a river on the forums when I fk up and lose a ship because I was a rtard learn and move on.
Archadam The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.15 06:50:00 - [17] Edited by: Archadam on 15/02/2009 06:50:54 woops..bad doublepost
Archadam The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.15 06:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Shaktu Stuff. My good friend and I pirate ANYTHING. No, not this guy here typing, ofc. But still, there are evil bstrds out there that suddenly sends 5 mil more than the bloody ship we blew up just because we felt like giving the noob a lesson, not punishment for being so silly as to be ratting in low sec in an utterly inadequate Caracal, for example... EVE's pretty damn free to what we all do. That's the beauty of it. My friend and I just happen to think that pain is a great teacher, but a teacher's still generous to let a student grow into a killer. Twisted Evil
Normin Bates	Posted - 2009.02.15 07:15:00 - [19] Hopefully you have learned to NEVER pay a ransom.
Alowishus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.02.15 08:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Normin Bates Hopefully you have learned to NEVER pay a ransom. Worst advice ever. You don't know how many I've killed that lost far more than I asked for in ransom. It's idiotic. Either way, if they want to throw ISK away, at least I get a kill mail. /makes fart noise
Joran Orduvium	Posted - 2009.02.15 08:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Lea Re Edited by: Lea Re on 15/02/2009 04:40:42 Originally by: Psiri This is also what makes EVE so great. And shows how pathetic people can be at the same time. Not that I condone them. I just feel sorry for them as they have to boost their egos by popping a noob. well said. but a good corp can teach them the basics of survival in the game. if you go it solo you die so join a decent corp in high sec then learn the game and move on to more lucritive ventures in low and 0.0 space.but carebears will always be easy targets peace
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.02.15 08:19:00 - [22] Originally by: RedSplat Your mistake was in playing EVE like it was a singleplayer game Originally by: Ashen Angel Try hooking up with Eve University.
Archadam The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.15 08:23:00 - [23] You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. Eh? Oh wait..
Normin Bates	Posted - 2009.02.15 08:30:00 - [24] Originally by: Alowishus Originally by: Normin Bates Hopefully you have learned to NEVER pay a ransom. Worst advice ever. You don't know how many I've killed that lost far more than I asked for in ransom. It's idiotic. Either way, if they want to throw ISK away, at least I get a kill mail. You're right. Pay the ransom and still get your ship blown up. That's much better advice.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.15 08:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Alowishus Originally by: Normin Bates Hopefully you have learned to NEVER pay a ransom. Worst advice ever. You don't know how many I've killed that lost far more than I asked for in ransom. It's idiotic. Either way, if they want to throw ISK away, at least I get a kill mail. You have a problem, in that the risk perception is this: * 1- I pay the ransom, I walk. * 2- I don't pay the ransom, I get asploded. * 3- I pay the ransom, I get asploded. Since #3 is so prevalent, smart players assume that if they're asked for ransom, it's just a way of trying to squeeze more ISK out of them before blowing them up anyway. The only way to combat this perception is for ransoms to be honored nearly all of the time. Since that is not the case, you're stuck with people who won't pay ransoms. To be honest, I'd say refusing to pay ransom is the smartest thing to do in most situations. Since there's no way to guarantee the pirate's behavior after the ransom is paid, you are basically throwing good money after bad. Your best bet is to write off what you're carrying/flying and get out with your pod if you can. Paying ransoms simply isn't a good idea from a risk-analysis perspective. Corp killboard
Scaldo Pwncakes Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.15 08:46:00 - [26] Excellent analysis, Jimer. Of those 3 options, refusing the ransom is the smartest thing to do. Unfortunately, most people are ****ing stupid.
Archadam The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.15 09:03:00 - [27] Option 4: Begin self destruct, laugh at pirates, and at last few sec, eject and warp off. GG. Us Japs get a bad rap from the 'truth' out there in the West. Speaking of which, seems to be spoken about out there, about much of my brothers in arms' like my People, hated, but benevolent.
Ryoken McKeon Galactic Defence Syndicate Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.15 10:03:00 - [28] That'll be you someday, enjoy your e-morals while they last.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2009.02.15 10:47:00 - [29] Shaktu my dear, you have just discovered the true nature of EVE. Remember that unlike in any other MMO, the good guys and the bad guys are all played by human players. The up side to this is that you, too, can be the bad guy. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em! If you need help plotting your revenge, contact me in-game. ............. Starbreaker Frigateers - life on the edge
Miss Uylear Caldari The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre	Posted - 2009.02.15 11:00:00 - [30] I'm sorry to hear this. Rest assured the person who did this was either having a bad day, or had taken upon himself the ideal of teaching via the 'tough love' routine.

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