Originally by: kublai

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You deserve worse.

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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

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I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>

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Originally by: Psiri

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This is also what makes EVE so great, I however find the jetcan mechanics to be yet another case of poor game design from CCP. It's just one of many noob-traps in this game.

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Originally by: Psiri

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This is also what makes EVE so great.

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Originally by: Shaktu

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Hey, I know piracy and PvP is a huge part of this game ... but try to have even a little conscience about it when abusing the noobs. Like me.

After grind mining for 2 weeks during my trial account, I finally paid for my first month yesterday, trained up Caldari Industry and bought a Badger.

So my shiny new badger is 45 minutes old and I'm merrily jetcanning for the first time as I see a ship approaching. I've read that noobs should stick to secure areas, so I'm in .9 space. I assume I'm safe -- I don't really know much about the game yet.

Some guy approaches, loots my can and tells me that for $400k he'll give it back. I'm a little ****ed and a little scared, I've never had someone grief me before just for fun (I don't have much PvP experience).

Although I don't have much, I give this guy $400k and take back my ore. This, of course, makes me attackable. I fly off and retrieve my badger to empty the can, I just wanna call it a night and cut my losses.

But the jackass is there, circling the can, waiting for me to play into his hands. I can't believe a fellow player would be this harsh to a noob (I told him it was my first paid day), but he then tells me that unless I give him another $400k, he will destroy my one-hour old ship. He's got me trapped by some kinda weapon, my ship can't move.

So I give him everything I have left, telling him I don't have another $400k. He informs me that this is tough luck for me, destroys my ship and ore.

I'm crushed. I sit there, numbed at the fact that another player would be so belligerent to a day one noob. I contact him to inform him that I'm so upset, I'm thinking of quitting the game. His response is "OH GOD AWESOME".

I exit the game and sit there staring at the screen for 30 minutes. I nearly delete the Eve client twice, but stop myself.

Yeah, I was stupid and played into his hands at every step. Yeah, piracy and PvP are a big part of the game.

But when you encounter a day one noob in .9 space puttering along in his crappy T1 ship, is it really necessary to inflict the maximum amount of punishment on the guy? If I had lost the original $400k and 45 minutes of ore, that woulda taught me my lesson and I would have perhaps been a little exhilirated by the whole experience.

But to completely destroy such a noob, torturing him every step of the way (doing a countdown in the chat window to my ship's complete destruction, etc), and then express sheer, unadulterated joy at his utter misery is just sick. I can't imagine what kind of person would do such a thing to a complete stranger on a whim.

Anyway, I'm done whining. I wasn't looking for a carebear game but neither was I expecting that my first and only interaction with another player would be so remorselessly vicious.

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Originally by: Shaktu

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I've never had someone grief me before just for fun

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Quote:

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and only interaction with another player would be so remorselessly vicious.

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Originally by: Shaktu

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Stuff.

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Originally by: Normin Bates

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Hopefully you have learned to NEVER pay a ransom.

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Originally by: Lea Re

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Edited by: Lea Re on 15/02/2009 04:40:42

Originally by: Psiri

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This is also what makes EVE so great.

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And shows how pathetic people can be at the same time. Not that I condone them. I just feel sorry for them as they have to boost their egos by popping a noob.

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Originally by: RedSplat

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Your mistake was in playing EVE like it was a singleplayer game

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Originally by: Ashen Angel

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Try hooking up with Eve University.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Originally by: Normin Bates

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Hopefully you have learned to NEVER pay a ransom.

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Worst advice ever.

You don't know how many I've killed that lost far more than I asked for in ransom. It's idiotic. Either way, if they want to throw ISK away, at least I get a kill mail.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Originally by: Normin Bates

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Hopefully you have learned to NEVER pay a ransom.

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Worst advice ever.

You don't know how many I've killed that lost far more than I asked for in ransom. It's idiotic. Either way, if they want to throw ISK away, at least I get a kill mail.

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1. 99% of the interaction you'll have are gonna be with PCs, who are run by real, LIVING players. As such, like in all societies around the globe, some are great people you will befriend, and others are *******s you would hate; But this is the true beauty of this MMO vs others.
   
   
2. I'm gonna list several things you should be aware of:

• Always used Secure containers when you mine, saves you from can flippers. If you somehow do get flipped, do not engage unless you have some big,bad pvp ship around. Its usually much better to run - all you lose is time.
  
• Know that if you go to 0.4 or under sec systems, you will prob. die! dont do it until you have more skills and a couple of friends who can protect you.
  
• DO NOT, under any circumstances give money to anybody without getting anything concrete in return - especially stuff like corp memberships
  
• If you do decided to stop being a carebearing ***** (sorry ) be aware that in PVPing you WILL lost ships, and LOTS of them - but its only isk, so dont ***** about it - just think of the times you'll get your payback, or even teach new players the ways of the world by blowing them the **** up
  
• And lastly, the most important rule of eve - NEVER TRUST GOONSWARM! they will scam you so badly you'd be likely to throw your computer out the window due to uncontrollbe rage!

Originally by: Normin Bates

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Originally by: Normin Bates

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Hopefully you have learned to NEVER pay a ransom.

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Worst advice ever.

You don't know how many I've killed that lost far more than I asked for in ransom. It's idiotic. Either way, if they want to throw ISK away, at least I get a kill mail.

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You're right. Pay the ransom and still get your ship blown up. That's much better advice.

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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

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In space, no one can hear you whinge about how unfair life is.

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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

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In space, no one can hear you whinge about how unfair life is.
Sadly on the forums it's different.

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Originally by: Misanth

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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

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In space, no one can hear you whinge about how unfair life is.
Sadly on the forums it's different.

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What's up with the "whinge" btw. It started pop up some weeks ago, thought some kid spelt it wrong and now it's like a plague, popping up everywhere.

Someone nerfed whining?

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Originally by: Zaqar

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It is a special word that cannot be googled, and it's meaning can only be discovered by asking on a forum.

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Originally by: RedSplat

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Drop me a line in game, i can probably suggest a few systems where you wont be hassled and that have a thriving industrial character population; people tend to stick together and watch each others backs in such places-

Your mistake was in playing EVE like it was a singleplayer game

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Originally by: Xen Gin

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Originally by: FOl2TY8

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I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence.

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Yeah, I use that excuse too.

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Originally by: Lea Re

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Edited by: Lea Re on 15/02/2009 04:40:42

Originally by: Psiri

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This is also what makes EVE so great.

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And shows how pathetic people can be at the same time. Not that I condone them. I just feel sorry for them as they have to boost their egos by popping a noob.

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Originally by: Gin G

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Arr the old they pop noob for there egos ploy

did you ever think they are teaching them a lesson they wont forget take a look at the OP i doubt they will ever jet mine again so they will never get there can flipped again so lesson learned.

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Originally by: Archadam

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Option 4: Begin self destruct, laugh at pirates, and at last few sec, eject and warp off.
GG.

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Originally by: Misanth

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Edited by: Misanth on 15/02/2009 14:30:40

Originally by: Zaqar

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It is a special word that cannot be googled, and it's meaning can only be discovered by asking on a forum.

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Special word for special kids, huh?

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Originally by: Frenden Dax

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My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.

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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

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http://www.answers.com/topic/whinge

intr.v. Chiefly British., whinged, whing+ing, whing+es.
To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.

[Dialectal alteration of Middle English whinsen, from Old English hwinsian.]

whinger whing'er n.
whingingly whing'ing+ly adv.


oooh yeahhh middle english *****es

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Originally by: oodin

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Edited by: oodin on 15/02/2009 02:48:47
your mining in a badger AND using jetcans???
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No, mining in my bantam. In my OP I mentioned I returned in my badger and the guy was still circling the can.

To everyone who has responded, thank you. I will be contacting some of you ingame under a different name (I have abandoned the Shaktu toon).

Fortunately, I had just enough ore left at the base to start getting myself back up to speed.

Originally by: Shaktu

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D: Canflipper violenced my internet spaceship

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Originally by: Shaktu

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Hey, I know piracy and PvP is a huge part of this game ... but try to have even a little conscience about it when abusing the noobs. Like me.

After grind mining for 2 weeks during my trial account, I finally paid for my first month yesterday, trained up Caldari Industry and bought a Badger.

So my shiny new badger is 45 minutes old and I'm merrily jetcanning for the first time as I see a ship approaching. I've read that noobs should stick to secure areas, so I'm in .9 space. I assume I'm safe -- I don't really know much about the game yet.

Some guy approaches, loots my can and tells me that for $400k he'll give it back. I'm a little ****ed and a little scared, I've never had someone grief me before just for fun (I don't have much PvP experience).

Although I don't have much, I give this guy $400k and take back my ore. This, of course, makes me attackable. I fly off and retrieve my badger to empty the can, I just wanna call it a night and cut my losses.

But the jackass is there, circling the can, waiting for me to play into his hands. I can't believe a fellow player would be this harsh to a noob (I told him it was my first paid day), but he then tells me that unless I give him another $400k, he will destroy my one-hour old ship. He's got me trapped by some kinda weapon, my ship can't move.

So I give him everything I have left, telling him I don't have another $400k. He informs me that this is tough luck for me, destroys my ship and ore.

I'm crushed. I sit there, numbed at the fact that another player would be so belligerent to a day one noob. I contact him to inform him that I'm so upset, I'm thinking of quitting the game. His response is "OH GOD AWESOME".

I exit the game and sit there staring at the screen for 30 minutes. I nearly delete the Eve client twice, but stop myself.

Yeah, I was stupid and played into his hands at every step. Yeah, piracy and PvP are a big part of the game.

But when you encounter a day one noob in .9 space puttering along in his crappy T1 ship, is it really necessary to inflict the maximum amount of punishment on the guy? If I had lost the original $400k and 45 minutes of ore, that woulda taught me my lesson and I would have perhaps been a little exhilirated by the whole experience.

But to completely destroy such a noob, torturing him every step of the way (doing a countdown in the chat window to my ship's complete destruction, etc), and then express sheer, unadulterated joy at his utter misery is just sick. I can't imagine what kind of person would do such a thing to a complete stranger on a whim.

Anyway, I'm done whining. I wasn't looking for a carebear game but neither was I expecting that my first and only interaction with another player would be so remorselessly vicious.

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Originally by: Misanth

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Ugh that explains it all.. noone speak english worse than the british!

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Originally by: Lea Re

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You Are a Tru Pirate

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Originally by: Martha Lightyear

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Uh? You crying just for a badger? what you lost, 1million?

The real drama comes when you get into a player-owned mining corporation and half the universe wardecs on you easy guys (seriously, can a mining corporation survive on Eve?)

That means you will always need to watch local channel each minute searching for those red stars, sometimes you are forced to keep docked, or other "funny" situations.

This is EVE. There is no high-sec.

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Originally by: Martha Lightyear

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Uh? You crying just for a badger? what you lost, 1million?

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Originally by: Martha Lightyear

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The real drama comes when you get into a player-owned mining corporation and half the universe wardecs on you easy guys (seriously, can a mining corporation survive on Eve?)

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Originally by: Martha Lightyear

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That means you will always need to watch local channel each minute searching for those red stars, sometimes you are forced to keep docked, or other "funny" situations.

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Originally by: Martha Lightyear

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This is EVE. There is no high-sec.

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Originally by: Jimer Lins

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* 3- I pay the ransom, I get asploded.

Since #3 is so prevalent, smart players assume that if they're asked for ransom, it's just a way of trying to squeeze more ISK out of them before blowing them up anyway.

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Originally by: Captain Pompous

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Originally by: Misanth

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Ugh that explains it all.. noone speak english worse than the british!

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Other than the colonials. AMIRITE :)

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Edited by: Alowishus on 16/02/2009 06:23:51
Hazard = risk + outrage. In this case the outrage is disproportionately high, inflating the presumed hazard, which you touch on initially by saying "risk perception". It's almost as if you understand that reality and perception often diverge. But then you continue...

Originally by: Jimer Lins

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* 3- I pay the ransom, I get asploded.

Since #3 is so prevalent, smart players assume that if they're asked for ransom, it's just a way of trying to squeeze more ISK out of them before blowing them up anyway.

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Prevalent? You read about every dishonored ransom on the forums, maybe 1-3 a week. Whereas in reality, we honor a hundred or more ransoms per week. The fact is that most ransoms are probably honored.

A smart player would asses each ransom on an individual basis. Even if it is always a gamble, if someone is asking 20 mil for your rigged Drake, it may be worth taking the bet. That's smart. Stupid is having a rule to always say no despite the cost.

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Originally by: Misanth

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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

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In space, no one can hear you whinge about how unfair life is.
Sadly on the forums it's different.

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What's up with the "whinge" btw. It started pop up some weeks ago, thought some kid spelt it wrong and now it's like a plague, popping up everywhere.

Someone nerfed whining?

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Originally by: Shaktu

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Hey, I know piracy and PvP is a huge part of this game ... but try to have even a little conscience about it when abusing the noobs. Like me. <snip>

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Originally by: Misanth

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No use discussing with you.. I heard from a reliable source that you are right even when you're wrong.

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Originally by: Mashashige

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And lastly, the most important rule of eve - NEVER TRUST GOONSWARM! they will scam you so badly you'd be likely to throw your computer out the window due to uncontrollbe rage!

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Quote:

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"You're obviously from France."
-- Intel CEO Paul Ottelini

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Originally by: Shaktu

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... But to completely destroy such a noob, torturing him every step of the way (doing a countdown in the chat window to my ship's complete destruction, etc), and then express sheer, unadulterated joy at his utter misery is just sick. I can't imagine what kind of person would do such a thing to a complete stranger on a whim.

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Originally by: Dotard

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If you get a sudden rush of E-morals and be a nice guy it will get you nothing but flames in local and attempted griefing.

Just last night I engaged a Myrm sitting outside a station dropping cans looking for a fight. I grabbed his can, let him wail on me until I got to approx. 3/4 of my armor, then returned fire.

He was helpless while I beat him down to about 1/2 his armor then thought "That should show him he isn't as uber as he's making out.", disengaged and left.

That got me local smack talk. This character was > than two years older than this one. Called me a 'noob' for "running from a fight" and trash talked endlessly for my very unconventional yet VERY effective fittings.

So I return to do it again, only 'rite' this time. Shooting begins and a corpy of his arrives and begins shooting also. I employ a tactical retreat (using my "What a noob!" unconventional fittings) and ofc the smack talk increased. Hollerin' in local that I'm such a noob because I ran from a fight.

I let the timer expire, return and drop a can of my own and announce to the two dips**ts there is a can for either one to take. Neither did.

Moral of the story;
Doesn't pay to be a nice person and have a bit of E-morality. Just kill them all and let CCP sort them out.

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Originally by: Misanth

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Edited by: Misanth on 20/02/2009 13:50:42

Originally by: Dotard

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If you get a sudden rush of E-morals and be a nice guy it will get you nothing but flames in local and attempted griefing.

Just last night I engaged a Myrm sitting outside a station dropping cans looking for a fight. I grabbed his can, let him wail on me until I got to approx. 3/4 of my armor, then returned fire.

He was helpless while I beat him down to about 1/2 his armor then thought "That should show him he isn't as uber as he's making out.", disengaged and left.

That got me local smack talk. This character was > than two years older than this one. Called me a 'noob' for "running from a fight" and trash talked endlessly for my very unconventional yet VERY effective fittings.

So I return to do it again, only 'rite' this time. Shooting begins and a corpy of his arrives and begins shooting also. I employ a tactical retreat (using my "What a noob!" unconventional fittings) and ofc the smack talk increased. Hollerin' in local that I'm such a noob because I ran from a fight.

I let the timer expire, return and drop a can of my own and announce to the two dips**ts there is a can for either one to take. Neither did.

Moral of the story;
Doesn't pay to be a nice person and have a bit of E-morality. Just kill them all and let CCP sort them out.

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I can't help but believing anyone that do the can-fighting in Empire has to be a pre-teen. It's so obvious there will be tears, whining, smack, drama.

If you want a certain win, just shoot nubs in belts in low-sec (yes, it's definately possible). Or if you want the thrill of the hunt, try solo ratters in 0.0. Or, if you wanna have fun with friends, roam around in fleets. Or, if you want 1v1 duels on a fairly equal basis - go to the test server.

Empire can fights is made for griefing. Thus, it serve it's purpose very well - keep annoying noicy kids too busy to do what the big boys do.

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Originally by: Demitria Fernir

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You got it all wrong, If someone wants to fight in empire, you do it by taking from a can and watching helpless idiots try to shoot you with railguns with over nine thousand rad/s while your drones kill his armor.

if you don't want to fight, that cans will float for an hour and then disappear.

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Originally by: Misanth

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Originally by: Demitria Fernir

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You got it all wrong, If someone wants to fight in empire, you do it by taking from a can and watching helpless idiots try to shoot you with railguns with over nine thousand rad/s while your drones kill his armor.

if you don't want to fight, that cans will float for an hour and then disappear.

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Fair enough.

I just find it ironic about people posting about all these 'unfair' duels. Either some neut RR them. Or they bring friends. Or they run away. It's 90% smack. Always tears, or hate, or spitting, etc.

I'm sure some of doing it do it exactly for those reasons, but the others probably really want a fair fight.

(as for the guy I quoted, your story is pretty cool, and yah you don't get much for e-honour, but your story is just another example of why can-fighting never worked and never will work)

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Originally by: Demitria Fernir

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Once took up a fight with 2 BS floating along with a can, took up in a myrm, 2 more warped in, 5 logistic warped in and repped me. when they got shoot, they got back in and took BS, at the end we ended up killing 3 out of 4 BS without losing any.

no smack, no tears, just "gf" and looting.

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Originally by: Misanth

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Originally by: Demitria Fernir

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Once took up a fight with 2 BS floating along with a can, took up in a myrm, 2 more warped in, 5 logistic warped in and repped me. when they got shoot, they got back in and took BS, at the end we ended up killing 3 out of 4 BS without losing any.

no smack, no tears, just "gf" and looting.

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..and what if you had been alone, expecting a regular 1v1 or 2v1? Your story only proves my point.

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Originally by: Misanth

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Originally by: Demitria Fernir

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Once took up a fight with 2 BS floating along with a can, took up in a myrm, 2 more warped in, 5 logistic warped in and repped me. when they got shoot, they got back in and took BS, at the end we ended up killing 3 out of 4 BS without losing any.

no smack, no tears, just "gf" and looting.

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..and what if you had been alone, expecting a regular 1v1 or 2v1? Your story only proves my point.

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Originally by: Shaktu

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But when you encounter a day one noob in .9 space puttering along in his crappy T1 ship, is it really necessary to inflict the maximum amount of punishment on the guy? If I had lost the original $400k and 45 minutes of ore, that woulda taught me my lesson and I would have perhaps been a little exhilirated by the whole experience.

But to completely destroy such a noob, torturing him every step of the way (doing a countdown in the chat window to my ship's complete destruction, etc), and then express sheer, unadulterated joy at his utter misery is just sick.

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or would I?

Originally by: Lea Re

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Edited by: Lea Re on 15/02/2009 14:45:48
oh... to the piwate who so bravely ransomed and subsequently killed a might industrial

especially for you

You Are a Tru Pirate

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Originally by: Lyris Nairn

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Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 15/02/2009 04:54:23

Originally by: Shaktu

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Hey, I know piracy and PvP is a huge part of this game ... but try to have even a little conscience about it when abusing the noobs. Like me.

After grind mining for 2 weeks during my trial account, I finally paid for my first month yesterday, trained up Caldari Industry and bought a Badger.

So my shiny new badger is 45 minutes old and I'm merrily jetcanning for the first time as I see a ship approaching. I've read that noobs should stick to secure areas, so I'm in .9 space. I assume I'm safe -- I don't really know much about the game yet.

Some guy approaches, loots my can and tells me that for $400k he'll give it back. I'm a little ****ed and a little scared, I've never had someone grief me before just for fun (I don't have much PvP experience).

Although I don't have much, I give this guy $400k and take back my ore. This, of course, makes me attackable. I fly off and retrieve my badger to empty the can, I just wanna call it a night and cut my losses.

But the jackass is there, circling the can, waiting for me to play into his hands. I can't believe a fellow player would be this harsh to a noob (I told him it was my first paid day), but he then tells me that unless I give him another $400k, he will destroy my one-hour old ship. He's got me trapped by some kinda weapon, my ship can't move.

So I give him everything I have left, telling him I don't have another $400k. He informs me that this is tough luck for me, destroys my ship and ore.

I'm crushed. I sit there, numbed at the fact that another player would be so belligerent to a day one noob. I contact him to inform him that I'm so upset, I'm thinking of quitting the game. His response is "OH GOD AWESOME".

I exit the game and sit there staring at the screen for 30 minutes. I nearly delete the Eve client twice, but stop myself.

Yeah, I was stupid and played into his hands at every step. Yeah, piracy and PvP are a big part of the game.

But when you encounter a day one noob in .9 space puttering along in his crappy T1 ship, is it really necessary to inflict the maximum amount of punishment on the guy? If I had lost the original $400k and 45 minutes of ore, that woulda taught me my lesson and I would have perhaps been a little exhilirated by the whole experience.

But to completely destroy such a noob, torturing him every step of the way (doing a countdown in the chat window to my ship's complete destruction, etc), and then express sheer, unadulterated joy at his utter misery is just sick. I can't imagine what kind of person would do such a thing to a complete stranger on a whim.

Anyway, I'm done whining. I wasn't looking for a carebear game but neither was I expecting that my first and only interaction with another player would be so remorselessly vicious.

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I can sum up his thought process for you very quickly:
'EVE is PVP, quit being a carebear and l2p or go back to WOW.'
or
'Good I hope you quit, that's one less carebear whining to the devs to make the game safer.'

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Originally by: Saul Reaver

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Originally by: Lyris Nairn

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Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 15/02/2009 04:54:23

Originally by: Shaktu

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Hey, I know piracy and PvP is a huge part of this game ... but try to have even a little conscience about it when abusing the noobs. Like me.

After grind mining for 2 weeks during my trial account, I finally paid for my first month yesterday, trained up Caldari Industry and bought a Badger.

So my shiny new badger is 45 minutes old and I'm merrily jetcanning for the first time as I see a ship approaching. I've read that noobs should stick to secure areas, so I'm in .9 space. I assume I'm safe -- I don't really know much about the game yet.

Some guy approaches, loots my can and tells me that for $400k he'll give it back. I'm a little ****ed and a little scared, I've never had someone grief me before just for fun (I don't have much PvP experience).

Although I don't have much, I give this guy $400k and take back my ore. This, of course, makes me attackable. I fly off and retrieve my badger to empty the can, I just wanna call it a night and cut my losses.

But the jackass is there, circling the can, waiting for me to play into his hands. I can't believe a fellow player would be this harsh to a noob (I told him it was my first paid day), but he then tells me that unless I give him another $400k, he will destroy my one-hour old ship. He's got me trapped by some kinda weapon, my ship can't move.

So I give him everything I have left, telling him I don't have another $400k. He informs me that this is tough luck for me, destroys my ship and ore.

I'm crushed. I sit there, numbed at the fact that another player would be so belligerent to a day one noob. I contact him to inform him that I'm so upset, I'm thinking of quitting the game. His response is "OH GOD AWESOME".

I exit the game and sit there staring at the screen for 30 minutes. I nearly delete the Eve client twice, but stop myself.

Yeah, I was stupid and played into his hands at every step. Yeah, piracy and PvP are a big part of the game.

But when you encounter a day one noob in .9 space puttering along in his crappy T1 ship, is it really necessary to inflict the maximum amount of punishment on the guy? If I had lost the original $400k and 45 minutes of ore, that woulda taught me my lesson and I would have perhaps been a little exhilirated by the whole experience.

But to completely destroy such a noob, torturing him every step of the way (doing a countdown in the chat window to my ship's complete destruction, etc), and then express sheer, unadulterated joy at his utter misery is just sick. I can't imagine what kind of person would do such a thing to a complete stranger on a whim.

Anyway, I'm done whining. I wasn't looking for a carebear game but neither was I expecting that my first and only interaction with another player would be so remorselessly vicious.

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I can sum up his thought process for you very quickly:
'EVE is PVP, quit being a carebear and l2p or go back to WOW.'
or
'Good I hope you quit, that's one less carebear whining to the devs to make the game safer.'

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Awwwww, Listen to the big tough guy here. You are so Uber. Picking on a noob. You truely are a badass piewat. NOT!

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But to completely destroy such a noob, torturing him every step of the way (doing a countdown in the chat window to my ship's complete destruction, etc), and then express sheer, unadulterated joy at his utter misery is just sick. I can't imagine what kind of person would do such a thing to a complete stranger on a whim

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Originally by: Shaktu

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Hey, I know piracy and PvP is a huge part of this game ... but try to have even a little conscience about it when abusing the noobs. Like me.

After grind mining for 2 weeks during my trial account, I finally paid for my first month yesterday, trained up Caldari Industry and bought a Badger.

So my shiny new badger is 45 minutes old and I'm merrily jetcanning for the first time as I see a ship approaching. I've read that noobs should stick to secure areas, so I'm in .9 space. I assume I'm safe -- I don't really know much about the game yet.

Some guy approaches, loots my can and tells me that for $400k he'll give it back. I'm a little ****ed and a little scared, I've never had someone grief me before just for fun (I don't have much PvP experience).

Although I don't have much, I give this guy $400k and take back my ore. This, of course, makes me attackable. I fly off and retrieve my badger to empty the can, I just wanna call it a night and cut my losses.

But the jackass is there, circling the can, waiting for me to play into his hands. I can't believe a fellow player would be this harsh to a noob (I told him it was my first paid day), but he then tells me that unless I give him another $400k, he will destroy my one-hour old ship. He's got me trapped by some kinda weapon, my ship can't move.

So I give him everything I have left, telling him I don't have another $400k. He informs me that this is tough luck for me, destroys my ship and ore.

I'm crushed. I sit there, numbed at the fact that another player would be so belligerent to a day one noob. I contact him to inform him that I'm so upset, I'm thinking of quitting the game. His response is "OH GOD AWESOME".

I exit the game and sit there staring at the screen for 30 minutes. I nearly delete the Eve client twice, but stop myself.

Yeah, I was stupid and played into his hands at every step. Yeah, piracy and PvP are a big part of the game.

But when you encounter a day one noob in .9 space puttering along in his crappy T1 ship, is it really necessary to inflict the maximum amount of punishment on the guy? If I had lost the original $400k and 45 minutes of ore, that woulda taught me my lesson and I would have perhaps been a little exhilirated by the whole experience.

But to completely destroy such a noob, torturing him every step of the way (doing a countdown in the chat window to my ship's complete destruction, etc), and then express sheer, unadulterated joy at his utter misery is just sick. I can't imagine what kind of person would do such a thing to a complete stranger on a whim.

Anyway, I'm done whining. I wasn't looking for a carebear game but neither was I expecting that my first and only interaction with another player would be so remorselessly vicious.

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Originally by: Seraph Castillon

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Edited by: Seraph Castillon on 12/03/2009 18:45:38
Edited by: Seraph Castillon on 12/03/2009 18:42:49
While this game is great in it's freedoms it also seems to attract some types of players without the least of ethical boundaries. The type of people that would have thought it fun to pull the wings off a fly as a child.

My MMO experience (No WoW) tells me a totally different thing about griefing tactics than the EVE community does. This type of griefing would result in you being kicked out of some of the best clan or alliances in lots of MMO's out there. Yet the EVE community seems to think of this as normal, allowing it.

A player choosing for the "evil" path (being in a pirate corp possibly with neg sec status), doing this would seem acceptable to me. It is his way of playing. He is looking to make a profit in his own, not so legit, but acceptable way.
However if a high sec rated player in a respectable corp comes up and can flips a peacefull miner that is unacceptable to me. What is wors is that most of the time they don't even want the ore. The are looking for a kill mail on an often clueless miner (tell me, what is cool about that?!) or they are simply looking to unload their frustrations on others (a few actually admitted this to me).

So basicly:
Do it as your roleplayed profession - OK
Any other reason - Go shoot yourself IRL, the world will be better off without you.

That's how I feel about it. Ofcourse everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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Originally by: techzer0

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Originally by: kublai

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You deserve worse.

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I giggled...

Having made a few people quit or tell me they were quitting

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Originally by: Algo Lake

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These are the kind of people in RL that torture puppies and have low self esteem (picture Beavis and Butthead). They play on their dad's computer while he is working and have to get off when mommy and daddy get home, so basically they are PO'ed at the world. In RL if you met him on the street you would be justified in crushing his skull, which would be real easy as he is more than likely a puss.

Hook up with some mature folks in a noob friendly corp and learn the game. There are fortunately more of them than the sissy noob grievers.

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Originally by: RedSplat

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Your mistake was in playing EVE like it was a singleplayer game

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Originally by: Tallianna Avenkarde

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i lol'ed

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Originally by: Frenden Dax

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My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.

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Originally by: Spectre3353

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I wish I could say I feel for you but honestly I have probably caused the same sort of emoragequit feeling you encountered to 10-20 newbs at this point. It IS fun and it makes me feel like a better person to grief poor rookies.

Anyhow, you don't realize it now but this sort of loss and realization of risk is what makes Eve such a unique and great experience. When you actually have something worthwhile to lose, whether it is a Badger or a fleet of capitals, it makes the down times and successes feel that much more exhilarating. Don't give up just yet... dust yourself off, learn the mechanics of the game (which is no easy feat in itself) and you will be just fine.

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Originally by: Frenden Dax

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My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.

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Originally by: Perecmanis

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so I never understood why miners drop their ore in a can for anyone else to steal it... why do you do that? To come with a larger ship and haul it all at once, or...?

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Anyway, I've stolen from miners' cans before, and I have to say, it's pretty dumb to pay a guy to let you retrieve your stuff from his can.

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Originally by: Misanth

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another example of why can-fighting never worked and never will work)

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Originally by: Mashashige

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[*] And lastly, the most important rule of eve - NEVER TRUST GOONSWARM! they will scam you so badly you'd be likely to throw your computer out the window due to uncontrollbe rage!

hope this helps a bit,
Mash

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Originally by: kublai

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You deserve worse.

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Originally by: CCP Fallout

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And yelling is bad. It makes the baby Jesus cry and when the baby Jesus cries I'm forced to lock threads

Originally by: Seraph Castillon

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While this game is great in it's freedoms it also seems to attract some types of players without the least of ethical boundaries. The type of people that would have thought it fun to pull the wings off a fly as a child.

My MMO experience (No WoW) tells me a totally different thing about griefing tactics than the EVE community does. This type of griefing would result in you being kicked out of some of the best clan or alliances in lots of MMO's out there. Yet the EVE community seems to think of this as normal, allowing it.

A player choosing for the "evil" path (being in a pirate corp possibly with neg sec status), doing this would seem acceptable to me. It is his way of playing. He is looking to make a profit in his own, not so legit, but acceptable way.
However if a high sec rated player in a respectable corp comes up and can flips a peacefull miner that is unacceptable to me. What is wors is that most of the time they don't even want the ore. The are looking for a kill mail on an often clueless miner (tell me, what is cool about that?!) or they are simply looking to unload their frustrations on others (a few actually admitted this to me).

So basicly:
Do it as your roleplayed profession - OK
Any other reason - Go shoot yourself IRL, the world will be better off without you.

That's how I feel about it. Ofcourse everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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Agreed. I've been saving this rant for a long time and this should be the right time to deploy it.

Griefers, especially in EVE, are genuinely bad human beings. I'm not talking about ingame, in real life they're nasty ****s who should be beaten to teach them a lesson about what pain really means. How do I rationalise this? Quite easily- they're deriving their pleasure solely from hurting others. We have a word for people like this: sadists. They enjoy hurting people. Maybe they're just forgetting that there are real humans on the other end of the internet- a lot of people come home after a hard day at work and take out their frustrations on video game targets. But I don't think so. Griefers like the example the OP quoted clearly derive their sick fun from the knowledge that they have upset someone, a real person.

Now I just KNOW some weaksauce griefer wimp is going to whine "it's just a game, we're not hurting anyone!" Bull****. Why do people play games? To have fun. What do griefers do? Set out to wreck someone else's fun. In a game like Team Fortress 2 or Starcraft or some other online game this can be annoying, but the greatest consequences this can have for their target is to mess up a game. Any consequences go no further than the end of the roundl and all the target has to do is leave and join a different server. EVE is a persistant-world MMO where losses are real and people have to actually WORK to get anywhere. When you spend ages saving up for a ship only to have some ****head griefer blow it up for lulz, you've just wasted all the effort you put into getting it. Wow. Great game. And remember, you're PAYING to play EVE, so when someone sets out to **** up your enjoyment of it, it IS a big deal.

And the bull**** about teaching noobs a lesson- if you actually cared about teaching them a lesson, you wouldn't do it by tormenting them. Weaksauce excuses.

Someone will also undoubtably whine "but the way I act ingame doesn't reflect how I act in real life!" More bull****. I subscribe to the GIFT (Greater Internet ****wad Theory) but follow it to the obvious next step that the way someone acts when anonymous reveals their TRUE character. If this is the way you act with no consequences, this is who you REALLY are, the way you act in daily life is a lie, enforced by social standards alone. Griefers are genuine real-life sadists who would be hurting real people for ****s and giggles if it wasn't illegal.

And to all you who are readying to shout "LOL TROLL" at me, either DISPROVE my points with a decent argument orjust shut the **** up.

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Originally by: Sol'Kanar

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I am the spermicidal cream to your semen of lies.

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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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Agreed. I've been saving this rant for a long time and this should be the right time to deploy it.

Griefers, especially in EVE, are genuinely bad human beings. I'm not talking about ingame, in real life they're nasty ****s who should be beaten to teach them a lesson about what pain really means. How do I rationalise this? Quite easily- they're deriving their pleasure solely from hurting others. We have a word for people like this: sadists. They enjoy hurting people. Maybe they're just forgetting that there are real humans on the other end of the internet- a lot of people come home after a hard day at work and take out their frustrations on video game targets. But I don't think so. Griefers like the example the OP quoted clearly derive their sick fun from the knowledge that they have upset someone, a real person.

Now I just KNOW some weaksauce griefer wimp is going to whine "it's just a game, we're not hurting anyone!" Bull****. Why do people play games? To have fun. What do griefers do? Set out to wreck someone else's fun. In a game like Team Fortress 2 or Starcraft or some other online game this can be annoying, but the greatest consequences this can have for their target is to mess up a game. Any consequences go no further than the end of the roundl and all the target has to do is leave and join a different server. EVE is a persistant-world MMO where losses are real and people have to actually WORK to get anywhere. When you spend ages saving up for a ship only to have some ****head griefer blow it up for lulz, you've just wasted all the effort you put into getting it. Wow. Great game. And remember, you're PAYING to play EVE, so when someone sets out to **** up your enjoyment of it, it IS a big deal.

And the bull**** about teaching noobs a lesson- if you actually cared about teaching them a lesson, you wouldn't do it by tormenting them. Weaksauce excuses.

Someone will also undoubtably whine "but the way I act ingame doesn't reflect how I act in real life!" More bull****. I subscribe to the GIFT (Greater Internet ****wad Theory) but follow it to the obvious next step that the way someone acts when anonymous reveals their TRUE character. If this is the way you act with no consequences, this is who you REALLY are, the way you act in daily life is a lie, enforced by social standards alone. Griefers are genuine real-life sadists who would be hurting real people for ****s and giggles if it wasn't illegal.

And to all you who are readying to shout "LOL TROLL" at me, either DISPROVE my points with a decent argument orjust shut the **** up.

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This post.

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Originally by: Sol'Kanar

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I am the spermicidal cream to your semen of lies.

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Originally by: Sol'Kanar

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I am the spermicidal cream to your semen of lies.

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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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Agreed. I've been saving this rant for a long time and this should be the right time to deploy it.

Griefers, especially in EVE, are genuinely bad human beings. I'm not talking about ingame, in real life they're nasty ****s who should be beaten to teach them a lesson about what pain really means. How do I rationalise this? Quite easily- they're deriving their pleasure solely from hurting others. We have a word for people like this: sadists. They enjoy hurting people. Maybe they're just forgetting that there are real humans on the other end of the internet- a lot of people come home after a hard day at work and take out their frustrations on video game targets. But I don't think so. Griefers like the example the OP quoted clearly derive their sick fun from the knowledge that they have upset someone, a real person.

Now I just KNOW some weaksauce griefer wimp is going to whine "it's just a game, we're not hurting anyone!" Bull****. Why do people play games? To have fun. What do griefers do? Set out to wreck someone else's fun. In a game like Team Fortress 2 or Starcraft or some other online game this can be annoying, but the greatest consequences this can have for their target is to mess up a game. Any consequences go no further than the end of the roundl and all the target has to do is leave and join a different server. EVE is a persistant-world MMO where losses are real and people have to actually WORK to get anywhere. When you spend ages saving up for a ship only to have some ****head griefer blow it up for lulz, you've just wasted all the effort you put into getting it. Wow. Great game. And remember, you're PAYING to play EVE, so when someone sets out to **** up your enjoyment of it, it IS a big deal.

And the bull**** about teaching noobs a lesson- if you actually cared about teaching them a lesson, you wouldn't do it by tormenting them. Weaksauce excuses.

Someone will also undoubtably whine "but the way I act ingame doesn't reflect how I act in real life!" More bull****. I subscribe to the GIFT (Greater Internet ****wad Theory) but follow it to the obvious next step that the way someone acts when anonymous reveals their TRUE character. If this is the way you act with no consequences, this is who you REALLY are, the way you act in daily life is a lie, enforced by social standards alone. Griefers are genuine real-life sadists who would be hurting real people for ****s and giggles if it wasn't illegal.

And to all you who are readying to shout "LOL TROLL" at me, either DISPROVE my points with a decent argument orjust shut the **** up.

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This post.

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Originally by: Ed Kraka

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Soooo much lolroflbags at yu poor carebears!

Really, go play WoW and stop crying in your mothers skirt.

1) Yes, it is a GAME! (as in, its not actually real) you know that right?

2) Because i grief i must be evil in RL? Yes, yes i am

3) Are you saying a "sadist" should not be allowed to play eve? isnt that discremination,like calling me gay, or any number of cultural backgrounds that dont agree with you?

4) Get off your horse and go whine to your boss/wife/mother or whoever it is that your real frustration lies and let the PLAYERS play the game, Cretin.

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Originally by: Shaktu

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So my shiny new badger is 45 minutes old and I'm merrily jetcanning for the first time as I see a ship approaching. I've read that noobs should stick to secure areas, so I'm in .9 space. I assume I'm safe -- I don't really know much about the game yet.

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Originally by: Shaktu

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I'm crushed. I sit there, numbed at the fact that another player would be so belligerent to a day one noob. I contact him to inform him that I'm so upset, I'm thinking of quitting the game. His response is "OH GOD AWESOME".

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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bla bla bla...

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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Griefers, especially in EVE, are genuinely bad human beings. I'm not talking about ingame, in real life they're nasty ****s who should be beaten to teach them a lesson about what pain really means.

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Originally by: lollerwaffle

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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Griefers, especially in EVE, are genuinely bad human beings. I'm not talking about ingame, in real life they're nasty ****s who should be beaten to teach them a lesson about what pain really means.

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LOL.. so your solution to internet spaceship violence is RL violence? Maybe you should rethink who the 'genuinely bad human beings' are...

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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Originally by: Ed Kraka

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Soooo much lolroflbags at yu poor carebears!

Really, go play WoW and stop crying in your mothers skirt.

1) Yes, it is a GAME! (as in, its not actually real) you know that right?

2) Because i grief i must be evil in RL? Yes, yes i am

3) Are you saying a "sadist" should not be allowed to play eve? isnt that discremination,like calling me gay, or any number of cultural backgrounds that dont agree with you?

4) Get off your horse and go whine to your boss/wife/mother or whoever it is that your real frustration lies and let the PLAYERS play the game, Cretin.

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Rebuttal FAIL. Kindly **** off and let someone who actually has two brain cells to bang together have a go.

I would counter-argue your points, except they're so stupid that I don't need to bother. Can anyone else do better?

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Originally by: Ja'kar

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The game is not real - well look

When we play this game I think most of us:

Have an emotional response

Use our rational understanding of how the 'game' works and work within the rules (well most of us)

this 'game' is a part of us it becomes a part of our ontological reality - it’s not real in the physical sense - but what is really - I mean we watch so much crap on TV that happens in 'real life' but it’s not real to us as we don't see it beyond the TV so does that make it less real? So if things on TV are less real can it be that games can be more real? I mean if eve is not 'real' how do we play it - it has to be real in some sense of the word. Therefore, if it’s real in some sense of the word, then the question is "how real is eve"?



Secondly, I don’ t believe that most of the people here play the game as they would in real life if the rules allowed it. Yes, people do stupid things on which it has to be said do impact on other individuals in negative ways. So yes there is I think a question of ethics, is it right to do something in game that can harm another individual, even if that harm is minimum ? Well I think there is some difference between eve on the ‘real world’ and that is one, eve is consensual , we all know the game and choose to play it and be a part of the game that makes up its whole. So by login in we all in part agree to play in a ‘virtual world’ where our hard work can be blown up. However, in the real world there is no consensual acts, I mean none without some form of social force, even when the results are positive, we cannot really say I am login in today or out without some sort of social response.

So in summing up, yes eve is real to a degree, when people engage in eve they play a part of that world of their choice (unlike the ‘real world’) and that by the act of login in to the game we are willing becoming parts of the game that, allows us (well within what CCP wants anyway) to act as we please.

Do I feel good or bad about blowing someone’s ship up or ransoming them, no truth is I love it. Am I a bad person in real life, no, not perfect, but not a bad individual, far from it.

Anyway, I am off to sleep

Nite nite

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Originally by: lollerwaffle

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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bla bla bla...

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So according to your drivel, in RL you must be a self righteous, psychoanalysing idiot who generalises everything and doesnt know how to distinguish between what's important and what isn't... BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU ARE ON THE INTERNET FORUMZ, AMIRITE?

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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Griefers, especially in EVE, are genuinely bad human beings. I'm not talking about ingame, in real life they're nasty ****s who should be beaten to teach them a lesson about what pain really means.

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LOL.. so your solution to internet spaceship violence is RL violence? Maybe you should rethink who the 'genuinely bad human beings' are...

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Originally by: Zenethalos

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Edited by: Zenethalos on 15/02/2009 06:53:44

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and only interaction with another player would be so remorselessly vicious.

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I can sum up his thought process for you very quickly:
'EVE is PVP, quit being a carebear and l2p or go back to WOW.'
or
'Good I hope you quit, that's one less carebear whining to the devs to make the game safer.'

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Originally by: the member

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troll.

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Originally by: Moloch Baal

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If smacktalking and hate is concidered something typical for your average carebear, does that turn all these smacktalking and sobbing griefers, who cant deal with getting baited and ****ed over, into carebears by definition?

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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I'm smart, ur dumb. U r bad IRL.

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Originally by: Tristen Orde

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Edited by: Tristen Orde on 19/03/2009 10:59:22

Originally by: Moloch Baal

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If smacktalking and hate is concidered something typical for your average carebear, does that turn all these smacktalking and sobbing griefers, who cant deal with getting baited and ****ed over, into carebears by definition?

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Er... most of the people who bait are the same ones flipping your cans.

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Originally by: Lyris Nairn

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Torturing Everyone*

There, thread name is fixed.




*especially miners, mission-runners and ratters

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EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.

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Originally by: Halkin

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bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads

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Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem

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see a lot of the ******s who frequent these forums seem to think that making people quit the game is the best strategy to generate revenue for CCP. you know, less players = more cash somehow.

This game should come with a "your ********* must have already dropped into position" disclaimer before someone can play.

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Originally by: Lyris Nairn

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Torturing Everyone*

There, thread name is fixed.




*especially miners, mission-runners and ratters

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Originally by: MeatSlab

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I kill noobs

Linkage

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It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic

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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

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Originally by: MeatSlab

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I kill noobs

Linkage

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stop spamming threads with this ****

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Originally by: MeatSlab

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Edited by: MeatSlab on 23/03/2009 16:26:42

Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

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Originally by: MeatSlab

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I kill noobs

Linkage

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stop spamming threads with this ****

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valid to this tread. mind your own beez wax

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It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic

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Originally by: Mickey Simon

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To be fair Nexus, he said valid to this tread, not this thread.
Don't be so hard on him imo.

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It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic

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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

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Originally by: MeatSlab

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Edited by: MeatSlab on 23/03/2009 16:26:42

Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

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Originally by: MeatSlab

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I kill noobs

Linkage

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stop spamming threads with this ****

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valid to this tread. mind your own beez wax

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Was it valid to this thread? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1029167&page=2#51
And this thread? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1030654&page=1#23

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Originally by: Horatio Pain

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Shaktu, I'm a fellow newb and happily haven't been ganked yet. It might be because I see every other EVE player as pond s****who'd sell their granny for 30k ISK. Until I find a corp, I'm gonna keep thinking that too, and I think you'll agree now.

MeatSlab, I've played EVE for 12 days already and haven't been ganked. Slacker.

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Originally by: Stil Harkonnen

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Originally by: Horatio Pain

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Shaktu, I'm a fellow newb and happily haven't been ganked yet. It might be because I see every other EVE player as pond s****who'd sell their granny for 30k ISK. Until I find a corp, I'm gonna keep thinking that too, and I think you'll agree now.

MeatSlab, I've played EVE for 12 days already and haven't been ganked. Slacker.

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Is this your main?

or a troll

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Originally by: SE Lain

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my only option for you is to fit out a hauler with a pvp fitting :) put a disruptor, web, and warp core stabilizers. all nos's on high slots and use drones on his ass, im sure he's in for a nasty surprise. (use on frigs, destroyers and some cruisers depending on age)

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Originally by: Shaktu

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Hey, I know piracy and PvP is a huge part of this game ... but try to have even a little conscience about it when abusing the noobs. Like me.

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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Agreed. I've been saving this rant for a long time and this should be the right time to deploy it.

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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Griefers, especially in EVE, are genuinely bad human beings. I'm not talking about ingame, in real life they're nasty ****s who should be beaten to teach them a lesson about what pain really means. How do I rationalise this? Quite easily- they're deriving their pleasure solely from hurting others. We have a word for people like this: sadists. They enjoy hurting people. Maybe they're just forgetting that there are real humans on the other end of the internet- a lot of people come home after a hard day at work and take out their frustrations on video game targets. But I don't think so. Griefers like the example the OP quoted clearly derive their sick fun from the knowledge that they have upset someone, a real person.

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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Now I just KNOW some weaksauce griefer wimp is going to whine "it's just a game, we're not hurting anyone!" Bull****. Why do people play games? To have fun. What do griefers do? Set out to wreck someone else's fun. In a game like Team Fortress 2 or Starcraft or some other online game this can be annoying, but the greatest consequences this can have for their target is to mess up a game. Any consequences go no further than the end of the roundl and all the target has to do is leave and join a different server. EVE is a persistant-world MMO where losses are real and people have to actually WORK to get anywhere. When you spend ages saving up for a ship only to have some ****head griefer blow it up for lulz, you've just wasted all the effort you put into getting it. Wow. Great game.

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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And remember, you're PAYING to play EVE, so when someone sets out to **** up your enjoyment of it, it IS a big deal.

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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And the bull**** about teaching noobs a lesson- if you actually cared about teaching them a lesson, you wouldn't do it by tormenting them. Weaksauce excuses.

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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Someone will also undoubtably whine "but the way I act ingame doesn't reflect how I act in real life!" More bull****. I subscribe to the GIFT (Greater Internet ****wad Theory) but follow it to the obvious next step that the way someone acts when anonymous reveals their TRUE character. If this is the way you act with no consequences, this is who you REALLY are, the way you act in daily life is a lie, enforced by social standards alone. Griefers are genuine real-life sadists who would be hurting real people for ****s and giggles if it wasn't illegal.

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Originally by: Frenden Dax

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My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.

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Originally by: Dreximus

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Originally by: Alowishus

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These things make the game more exciting overall for people who enjoy risk and the ability to take responsibility for their own safety. At the risk of being cliche, th

Originally by: Shaloran Kalior

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Originally by: SE Lain

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my only option for you is to fit out a hauler with a pvp fitting :) put a disruptor, web, and warp core stabilizers. all nos's on high slots and use drones on his ass, im sure he's in for a nasty surprise. (use on frigs, destroyers and some cruisers depending on age)

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Fail. Fit more than one WCS on your Indy then try locking a frigate. Enjoy your 3 day lock time. Oh wait, it just wont lock. Also, point me to the indy with a drone bay please.

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Originally by: Ryoken McKeon

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That'll be you someday, enjoy your e-morals while they last.

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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Well yes, apart from the fact that you're not describing me properly. I AM self-righteous and have a tendancy to psychoanalyze and often to generalize, I am NOT an idiot (I'm certainly smarter than you) and do know what's important (in the context of this game at least), like sadistic *****s needing a good smacking-down.

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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In real life I'm not exactly friendly, but I'm almost excessively reasonable, non-confrontational and quiet. Online, I'm aggressive, angry and confrontational, as I'm sure you've noticed. The latter persona is, in fact, the real me, but since it would alienate people from me in real life I obscure it with my reasonable mask, much like the online griefer chooses not the beat the **** out of little kids, steal their wallets and laugh in their faces because it would cause trouble for them in real life. Or maybe they do act like this, I wouldn't be surprised. Unless they only turn to bullying people on the internet because they're always being bullied in real life themselves and are too weak to do anything real to make themselves feel powerful. I pity you to an extent, if this is the case.

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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Eh, maybe that's an unrealistic thing to say. It's not really a solution, but I think if a sadist got to see what it's like to be tormented for no reason other than the sick pleasure of their tormentor they might have a change of heart about doing it to others without a second thought. I suppose we could substitute "blowing up their internet spaceships" for "issuing a savage beating" but that misses the point twice- firstly in that their sadism is a real life problem and should be dealt with as such and secondly in that they can usually suck up large amounts of griefing themselves since griefing is usually based around bullying the weak and defenceless. I'm not REALLY advocating hunting these people down in real life and beating them, it's just a handy expression for getting across the contempt I feel towards these miserable specimens of humanity.

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Originally by: Dracoknight

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Edited by: Dracoknight on 27/03/2009 07:28:21
This thread starts to get entertaining..

if CCP cared about your in-game currency and your pixeled spaceships. Or listened to any crybabies out there, this game would get cartoonish graphics, added Elves and orcs and called it "World of EVE"

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Originally by: Lana Torrin

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Originally by: Dracoknight

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Edited by: Dracoknight on 27/03/2009 07:28:21
This thread starts to get entertaining..

if CCP cared about your in-game currency and your pixeled spaceships. Or listened to any crybabies out there, this game would get cartoonish graphics, added Elves and orcs and called it "World of EVE"

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Wait, there are no orcs? WTF have I been chasing for 6 months then?!

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Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux

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Originally by: Psiri

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This is also what makes EVE so great, I however find the jetcan mechanics to be yet another case of poor game design from CCP. It's just one of many noob-traps in this game.

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because it was not the original design. oh and OP, seeing as how it has not been asked....ur stuff, can i haz?

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Originally by: Dr Chicago

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How Grief tactics in Eve may have got its roots.

Eight monkeys were put in a room. In the middle of the room is a ladder leading to a bunch of bananas hanging from a hook on the ceiling. Each time a monkey tries to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with ice water, which makes them miserable.

Very soon, whenever a monkey attempts to climb the ladder, all of the other monkeys, not wanting to be sprayed, set upon him and beat him up. Soon, none of the eight monkeys ever attempts to climb the ladder. One of the original monkeys is then removed, and a new monkey is put in the room.

Seeing the bananas and the ladder he wonders why none of the other monkeys are doing the obvious but, undaunted, he immediately begins to climb the ladder. All the other monkeys fall upon him and beat him silly. He has no idea why. However, he no longer attempts to climb the ladder.

A second original monkey is removed and replaced. The newcomer again attempts to climb the ladder but all the other monkeys again beat him silly. This includes the previous new monkey, who, grateful that he's not on the receiving end this time, participates in the beating because all the other monkeys are doing it. However, he has no idea why he's attacking the new monkey.

One by one, all the original monkeys are replaced. Eight new monkeys are now in the room. None of them have ever been sprayed by ice water. None of them attempt to climb the ladder. All of them will enthusiastically beat up any new monkey who tries, without having any idea why.


Regards
DC

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Originally by: Dr Chicago

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How Grief tactics in Eve may have got its roots.

Eight monkeys were put in a room. In the middle of the room is a ladder leading to a bunch of bananas hanging from a hook on the ceiling. Each time a monkey tries to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with ice water, which makes them miserable.

Very soon, whenever a monkey attempts to climb the ladder, all of the other monkeys, not wanting to be sprayed, set upon him and beat him up. Soon, none of the eight monkeys ever attempts to climb the ladder. One of the original monkeys is then removed, and a new monkey is put in the room.

Seeing the bananas and the ladder he wonders why none of the other monkeys are doing the obvious but, undaunted, he immediately begins to climb the ladder. All the other monkeys fall upon him and beat him silly. He has no idea why. However, he no longer attempts to climb the ladder.

A second original monkey is removed and replaced. The newcomer again attempts to climb the ladder but all the other monkeys again beat him silly. This includes the previous new monkey, who, grateful that he's not on the receiving end this time, participates in the beating because all the other monkeys are doing it. However, he has no idea why he's attacking the new monkey.

One by one, all the original monkeys are replaced. Eight new monkeys are now in the room. None of them have ever been sprayed by ice water. None of them attempt to climb the ladder. All of them will enthusiastically beat up any new monkey who tries, without having any idea why.


Regards
DC

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Originally by: Tristen Orde

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Originally by: lollerwaffle

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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Griefers, especially in EVE, are genuinely bad human beings. I'm not talking about ingame, in real life they're nasty ****s who should be beaten to teach them a lesson about what pain really means.

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LOL.. so your solution to internet spaceship violence is RL violence? Maybe you should rethink who the 'genuinely bad human beings' are...

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Seriously.. the carebears in this game are some of the most hateful, vengeful and downright seething, drooling morons I've ever seen. Try killing one of their drakes once and see what happens.

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Originally by: Midge Mo'yb

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Originally by: Dr Chicago

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How Grief tactics in Eve may have got its roots....

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couldnt the monkeys jus tstand on eachothers heads and make a "monkey ladder" take the bunch of bananas and feast?

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Originally by: Junko Togawa

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Trollin' trollin' trollin', keep those posts a-growin', man this thread is swollen, lolhide!

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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi

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there are real humans on the other end of the internet- a lot of people come home after a hard day at work and take out their frustrations on video game targets.

Why do people play games? To have fun. What do griefers do?

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Originally by: Midge Mo'yb

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couldnt the monkeys jus tstand on eachothers heads and make a "monkey ladder" take the bunch of bananas and feast?

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Originally by: Kage Toshimado

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Monkeys can make "chains" but not ladders. I think eventually, flinging monkey ***** will play a role in this experiment. That, or they'll all starve to monkey death.

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Originally by: Kage Toshimado

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Monkeys can make "chains" but not ladders. I think eventually, flinging monkey ***** will play a role in this experiment. That, or they'll all starve to monkey death.

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