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Arkon's Rival	Posted - 2009.03.14 06:26:00 - [121] I have done this so many times to newbs I usually just let them go once they hit hull. I'm starting to recruit for my corp, just to teach people what NOT to do during thier time online. So far, my best day was like january the 18th (I think), I blew up about 180 mil worth of stuff in 0.0 I love this game... The best part is, this is an alt with only 1.1 mil skillpoints. Owned.
Arcane Azmadi Caldari First Flying Wing Inc Primary.	Posted - 2009.03.14 07:46:00 - [122] Originally by: Ed Kraka Soooo much lolroflbags at yu poor carebears! Really, go play WoW and stop crying in your mothers skirt. 1) Yes, it is a GAME! (as in, its not actually real) you know that right? 2) Because i grief i must be evil in RL? Yes, yes i am 3) Are you saying a "sadist" should not be allowed to play eve? isnt that discremination,like calling me gay, or any number of cultural backgrounds that dont agree with you? 4) Get off your horse and go whine to your boss/wife/mother or whoever it is that your real frustration lies and let the PLAYERS play the game, Cretin. Rebuttal FAIL. Kindly **** off and let someone who actually has two brain cells to bang together have a go. I would counter-argue your points, except they're so stupid that I don't need to bother. Can anyone else do better?
Cyprus Black Caldari Elitist Jerks Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.14 08:21:00 - [123] Edited by: Cyprus Black on 14/03/2009 08:21:44 Originally by: Shaktu So my shiny new badger is 45 minutes old and I'm merrily jetcanning for the first time as I see a ship approaching. I've read that noobs should stick to secure areas, so I'm in .9 space. I assume I'm safe -- I don't really know much about the game yet. Bolded and underlined to show the important no-no. Can flipping (aka players stealing from your jettisoned can and creating their own) is the oldest griefing tactic in the book. It's a shame you had to learn the hard way, but there it is. The universe of EvE is a harsh existence. Especially for newer players. Don't jetcan. Or if you really must, find a better place to do it in. Preferably a quiet unoccupied system (that's system, not belt). In fact, the only place I'd ever recommend jetcanning is out in 0.0 in friendly territory. Since you're Caldari, you should aim for an Osprey. A cruiser with awesome mining bonuses. Fit a few cargo expanders on that puppy, a few combat drones, shields, and mining lasers and you're good to go. Don't bother with rigs though. A well fitted Osprey can have over 1,000 m3 cargo hold, three T2 mining lasers, and can tank any high sec rats that come your way. ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Morgan Raj Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2009.03.14 10:20:00 - [124] Originally by: Shaktu I'm crushed. I sit there, numbed at the fact that another player would be so belligerent to a day one noob. I contact him to inform him that I'm so upset, I'm thinking of quitting the game. His response is "OH GOD AWESOME". I laughed myself to tears at this!
lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2009.03.14 10:46:00 - [125] Originally by: Arcane Azmadi bla bla bla... So according to your drivel, in RL you must be a self righteous, psychoanalysing idiot who generalises everything and doesnt know how to distinguish between what's important and what isn't... BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU ARE ON THE INTERNET FORUMZ, AMIRITE? Originally by: Arcane Azmadi Griefers, especially in EVE, are genuinely bad human beings. I'm not talking about ingame, in real life they're nasty ****s who should be beaten to teach them a lesson about what pain really means. LOL.. so your solution to internet spaceship violence is RL violence? Maybe you should rethink who the 'genuinely bad human beings' are...
Tristen Orde Maximum Yarrage	Posted - 2009.03.14 15:12:00 - [126] Originally by: lollerwaffle Originally by: Arcane Azmadi Griefers, especially in EVE, are genuinely bad human beings. I'm not talking about ingame, in real life they're nasty ****s who should be beaten to teach them a lesson about what pain really means. LOL.. so your solution to internet spaceship violence is RL violence? Maybe you should rethink who the 'genuinely bad human beings' are... Seriously.. the carebears in this game are some of the most hateful, vengeful and downright seething, drooling morons I've ever seen. Try killing one of their drakes once and see what happens.
Ja'kar Geb's Call Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2009.03.14 16:01:00 - [127] Seriously.. the carebears in this game are some of the most hateful, vengeful and downright seething, drooling morons I've ever seen. Try killing one of their drakes once and see what happens. You should have heard me crying when they changed the game dynamics to warp 0 MAFIA Website
Sanka Cofie Amarr Fractured Core Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.03.14 16:22:00 - [128] Originally by: Arcane Azmadi Originally by: Ed Kraka Soooo much lolroflbags at yu poor carebears! Really, go play WoW and stop crying in your mothers skirt. 1) Yes, it is a GAME! (as in, its not actually real) you know that right? 2) Because i grief i must be evil in RL? Yes, yes i am 3) Are you saying a "sadist" should not be allowed to play eve? isnt that discremination,like calling me gay, or any number of cultural backgrounds that dont agree with you? 4) Get off your horse and go whine to your boss/wife/mother or whoever it is that your real frustration lies and let the PLAYERS play the game, Cretin. Rebuttal FAIL. Kindly ** off and let someone who actually has two brain cells to bang together have a go. I would counter-argue your points, except they're so stupid that I don't need to bother. Can anyone else do better? Rebutall of rebutall FAIL. Kindly ** off and let someone who actually has two brain cells to bang together have a go. I would counter-argue your points, except you don't actually make any. Can anyone else do better? Vote Pompous for CSM!
V1RU5 GREY	Posted - 2009.03.14 23:44:00 - [129] POP or be POPPED...that's the name of the game.
Ja'kar Geb's Call Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2009.03.15 02:58:00 - [130] The game is not real - well look When we play this game I think most of us: Have an emotional response Use our rational understanding of how the 'game' works and work within the rules (well most of us) this 'game' is a part of us it becomes a part of our ontological reality - itÆs not real in the physical sense - but what is really - I mean we watch so much crap on TV that happens in 'real life' but itÆs not real to us as we don't see it beyond the TV so does that make it less real? So if things on TV are less real can it be that games can be more real? I mean if eve is not 'real' how do we play it - it has to be real in some sense of the word. Therefore, if itÆs real in some sense of the word, then the question is "how real is eve"? Secondly, I donÆ t believe that most of the people here play the game as they would in real life if the rules allowed it. Yes, people do stupid things on which it has to be said do impact on other individuals in negative ways. So yes there is I think a question of ethics, is it right to do something in game that can harm another individual, even if that harm is minimum ? Well I think there is some difference between eve on the æreal worldÆ and that is one, eve is consensual , we all know the game and choose to play it and be a part of the game that makes up its whole. So by login in we all in part agree to play in a ævirtual worldÆ where our hard work can be blown up. However, in the real world there is no consensual acts, I mean none without some form of social force, even when the results are positive, we cannot really say I am login in today or out without some sort of social response. So in summing up, yes eve is real to a degree, when people engage in eve they play a part of that world of their choice (unlike the æreal worldÆ) and that by the act of login in to the game we are willing becoming parts of the game that, allows us (well within what CCP wants anyway) to act as we please. Do I feel good or bad about blowing someoneÆs ship up or ransoming them, no truth is I love it. Am I a bad person in real life, no, not perfect, but not a bad individual, far from it. Anyway, I am off to sleep Nite nite MAFIA Website

lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis SIRRIUS.	Posted - 2009.03.15 03:43:00 - [131] Originally by: Ja'kar The game is not real - well look When we play this game I think most of us: Have an emotional response Use our rational understanding of how the 'game' works and work within the rules (well most of us) this 'game' is a part of us it becomes a part of our ontological reality - it’s not real in the physical sense - but what is really - I mean we watch so much crap on TV that happens in 'real life' but it’s not real to us as we don't see it beyond the TV so does that make it less real? So if things on TV are less real can it be that games can be more real? I mean if eve is not 'real' how do we play it - it has to be real in some sense of the word. Therefore, if it’s real in some sense of the word, then the question is "how real is eve"? Secondly, I don’ t believe that most of the people here play the game as they would in real life if the rules allowed it. Yes, people do stupid things on which it has to be said do impact on other individuals in negative ways. So yes there is I think a question of ethics, is it right to do something in game that can harm another individual, even if that harm is minimum ? Well I think there is some difference between eve on the ‘real world’ and that is one, eve is consensual , we all know the game and choose to play it and be a part of the game that makes up its whole. So by login in we all in part agree to play in a ‘virtual world’ where our hard work can be blown up. However, in the real world there is no consensual acts, I mean none without some form of social force, even when the results are positive, we cannot really say I am login in today or out without some sort of social response. So in summing up, yes eve is real to a degree, when people engage in eve they play a part of that world of their choice (unlike the ‘real world’) and that by the act of login in to the game we are willing becoming parts of the game that, allows us (well within what CCP wants anyway) to act as we please. Do I feel good or bad about blowing someone’s ship up or ransoming them, no truth is I love it. Am I a bad person in real life, no, not perfect, but not a bad individual, far from it. Anyway, I am off to sleep Nite nite STFU
Nathalie Rian Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.03.15 06:01:00 - [132] Good troll.
Arcane Azmadi Caldari First Flying Wing Inc Primary.	Posted - 2009.03.16 02:29:00 - [133] Originally by: lollerwaffle Originally by: Arcane Azmadi bla bla bla... So according to your drivel, in RL you must be a self righteous, psychoanalysing idiot who generalises everything and doesnt know how to distinguish between what's important and what isn't... BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU ARE ON THE INTERNET FORUMZ, AMIRITE? Well yes, apart from the fact that you're not describing me properly. I AM self-righteous and have a tendancy to psychoanalyze and often to generalize, I am NOT an idiot (I'm certainly smarter than you) and do know what's important (in the context of this game at least), like sadistic ***s needing a good smacking-down. Note that admitting this doesn't in any way weaken my argument- I was actually WAITING for someone to ask me if my theory applies to me too so I could come back with "yes, it does". In real life I'm not exactly friendly, but I'm almost excessively reasonable, non-confrontational and quiet. Online, I'm aggressive, angry and confrontational, as I'm sure you've noticed. The latter persona is, in fact, the real me, but since it would alienate people from me in real life I obscure it with my reasonable mask, much like the online griefer chooses not the beat the out of little kids, steal their wallets and laugh in their faces because it would cause trouble for them in real life. Or maybe they do act like this, I wouldn't be surprised. Unless they only turn to bullying people on the internet because they're always being bullied in real life themselves and are too weak to do anything real to make themselves feel powerful. I pity you to an extent, if this is the case. So, having spectacularly failed to disprove my point on this regard (all you did was say my argument is drivel without producing a single decent point to disprove it), would you like to have another go? I'd advise you not to bother, you clearly lack the brain power to debate with me. Quote: Originally by:** Arcane Azmadi Griefers, especially in EVE, are genuinely bad human beings. I'm not talking about ingame, in real life they're nasty ****s who should be beaten to teach them a lesson about what pain really means. LOL.. so your solution to internet spaceship violence is RL violence? Maybe you should rethink who the 'genuinely bad human beings' are... Eh, maybe that's an unrealistic thing to say. It's not really a solution, but I think if a sadist got to see what it's like to be tormented for no reason other than the sick pleasure of their tormentor they might have a change of heart about doing it to others without a second thought. I suppose we could substitute "blowing up their internet spaceships" for "issuing a savage beating" but that misses the point twice- firstly in that their sadism is a real life problem and should be dealt with as such and secondly in that they can usually suck up large amounts of griefing themselves since griefing is usually based around bullying the weak and defenceless. I'm not REALLY advocating hunting these people down in real life and beating them, it's just a handy expression for getting across the contempt I feel towards these miserable specimens of humanity. I don't suppose anyone can do better? You'll have to try harder than that to get me to concede the point. (And yes, I will concede if you can out-debate me, rather than just flaming me. But you don't have a hope in hell, not at your level.)
Arpad Elo	Posted - 2009.03.16 05:18:00 - [134] I'm a new player also, but experienced in mmorpg's. I therefore have advice. In eve, you should read as much as you can, as fast as you can, to familiarize yourself with all the mechanics of the game, then constantly ask yourself if your actions will leave you open to exploitation from other players. When you know that you can be exploited. Ask yourself how much for, then decide if the risk is worth it based on who is being given the opportunity and what you have to gain from giving them that opportunity. Do this all the time. If your goal is to avoid being destroyed by your stupidity (this is my goal, but I often fail), then probably also only play when you're alert. Have fun! Take care, Arpad.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.03.16 05:22:00 - [135] This one time.. in lowsec.. me and this friend of mine... wait.. that was collage.. NOT a kublai alt. Honest! Also, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.16 05:22:00 - [136] Just remember... playing eve is like stumbling around in a dark room and being punched in the gut by someone who doesn't feel bad about doing it Pomp FTW!!!
Julien makka Maximum Yarrage	Posted - 2009.03.18 21:45:00 - [137] you got owned. welcome to eve. ps: im proud to inform you that this griefer is a part of the maximum yarrage corporation.
Vilu Duskar	Posted - 2009.03.19 00:04:00 - [138] lol, i knew it was only a matter of time before a huge amount of care bears would get WAY too upset. Tristen has a very valid point, i am still surprised how insidious people can get over losing their ratting/missioning/mining ships. Kinda tarnishes the "shining knight in armor" you try to put up. the long winded rants posted on this thread about puppy killing and seal clubbing griefers is evidence of just that. (getting a tad emotional there buddies) @ griefers killing people to make them feel better, carebears resort to calling said griefers children who live in their parents basement is just your way of feeling better about losing your ship 0/ Yarrage. viva piracy
Vlaka Skasas	Posted - 2009.03.19 02:23:00 - [139] Edited by: Vlaka Skasas on 19/03/2009 02:24:51 Who seriously give pirates aggression, they are asking to be blown up
hesameno	Posted - 2009.03.19 02:25:00 - [140] Gentlemen, we all know internet spaceships is serious business. But as a fellow pirate, i must say i love blowing carebears to little carebear bits, and the rage that comes in local is the icing on top of the delicious nubcake. But seriously we all play this game to have fun, mine is just at your expense

Ukiah Gallente Imperium Signal Corps	Posted - 2009.03.19 03:55:00 - [141] Originally by: Zenethalos Edited by: Zenethalos on 15/02/2009 06:53:44 Quote: and only interaction with another player would be so remorselessly vicious. I can sum up his thought process for you very quickly: 'EVE is PVP, quit being a carebear and l2p or go back to WOW.' or 'Good I hope you quit, that's one less carebear whining to the devs to make the game safer.' Yes clearly eve is PVP. Mining Barges do not exist and everything you see on the market is generated by PVP. Large entities in eve that are self sufficient do not have a non PVP wing that supply them with equipment at cost. There are no such things as players that enjoy sitting in a belt with a few others getting filthy rich. Yes eve is PVP clearly. Don't listen to "players" like this. Jimer has it right in his post. Don't let a group of asshats that want easy ganks tell you pvp is the way. Mine your brains out and find some people you enjoy doing it with and get filthy rich then hire guys like us (noir) to shoot asshats like those above and those that would grief you. /end rant On a civil note I hope you learnt from your mistake. Every one is entitled to make one. I do agree though eve needs less whiny carebears. I dont't cry a river on the forums when I fk up and lose a ship because I was a rtard learn and move on. Oh, yes, you're absolutely correct. Mining barges do exist and those who pilot mining barges OWN every asteroid in the game.... whuz that? Other people can mine the same roids you do? That.... that means you have to COMPETE for the ore.... AGAINST OTHER PLAYERS??????!!!!! Well, nevermind, let's talk about the market. Surely the market is NOT PVP. You're selling your wares on the market and your only competition is the NPC corps.... /fail
Cletus Graeme Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.03.19 05:59:00 - [142] Originally by: the member troll. Dis.
Miilla	Posted - 2009.03.19 07:50:00 - [143] Edited by: Miilla on 19/03/2009 07:50:36 If your going to can flip, then do it to the Hulks in high sec, they can mine elsewhere on bigger roids. Chase the hulks out of new player systems. take from the rich and give to the noobs, i do that many times :) I hate hulks in noob systems.
Moloch Baal Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.19 08:20:00 - [144] If smacktalking and hate is concidered something typical for your average carebear, does that turn all these smacktalking and sobbing griefers, who cant deal with getting baited and ****ed over, into carebears by definition?
Ja'kar Geb's Call Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2009.03.19 10:46:00 - [145] I sent this carebear a very small amount to help him out (thinking it was a scam) - did not even get a thank you mail (shame as I was going to send him more) - rude carebears! Yes I know - yes it was funny and no I dont' care about the right or wrong of it - but he is a noob! MAFIA Website
Tristen Orde Maximum Yarrage Band of Bastards.	Posted - 2009.03.19 10:59:00 - [146] Edited by: Tristen Orde on 19/03/2009 10:59:22 Originally by: Moloch Baal If smacktalking and hate is concidered something typical for your average carebear, does that turn all these smacktalking and sobbing griefers, who cant deal with getting baited and ****ed over, into carebears by definition? Er... most of the people who bait are the same ones flipping your cans.
Dust Rocket	Posted - 2009.03.19 11:59:00 - [147] If you still want to mine let me know ill park m y orca next too you. If u can fill it up ill haul for you for free. I even melt the rocks for u for free. Or if u want lot of isk just hail me ill let u tag along in lev 4 missions. Best Regards DR And not all of us are griefers here.
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS Band of Bastards.	Posted - 2009.03.19 12:30:00 - [148] Originally by: Arcane Azmadi I'm smart, ur dumb. U r bad IRL. All true. Your intellect has pierced my very soul.
Moloch Baal Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.19 12:51:00 - [149] Originally by: Tristen Orde Edited by: Tristen Orde on 19/03/2009 10:59:22 Originally by: Moloch Baal If smacktalking and hate is concidered something typical for your average carebear, does that turn all these smacktalking and sobbing griefers, who cant deal with getting baited and ****ed over, into carebears by definition? Er... most of the people who bait are the same ones flipping your cans. not all of em though...
SE Lain	Posted - 2009.03.22 12:04:00 - [150] Im sorry Shaktu, and this comes from a wholly different kind of griefer. Him not treating you with atleast the decency to exclaim that its part of his business as mining is to yours, makes him a complete jackass whose efforts will get rid of the luster for new players joining -_- my only option for you is to fit out a hauler with a pvp fitting :) put a disruptor, web, and warp core stabilizers. all nos's on high slots and use drones on his ass, im sure he's in for a nasty surprise. (use on frigs, destroyers and some cruisers depending on age) There are more worse players than him though, for instance. one of my tactics, is to "invite" a relatively new player (10-25 days old) to join our corp in headquarters, and for them to bring everything they have. I fleet invite him, and i fleet warp him to a remote location in a 0.4 system and have my way with his pod if he doesnt accept the ransom. :) but dont worry, i gave you a hint on what to look out for also. (dont accept surveys and whether you would like to make isk fast, chances are, its me or my corp mates )



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