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qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:15:00 -
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breaking a window of a car and stealing the stereo is a crime. If you get caught, you have to face the music.
You lose SEC status. You lose your ship. Your victim is free to hunt you.
If CCP are to do ANYTHING, it would have to be make kill rights transferable, and give the bounty a better function, as in, if you kill THIS guy, I give you 5 million isk.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1188
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:15:00 -
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Eyezpiddydafooh wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Actually you can get warnings and even bans for briefing, it just isn't defined by CCP as blowing up hulks.
If I targetted a newish player specifically, for no real reason and with no real goal, that would probably be seen as griefing. Hulkageddon has goals, doesn't target new players and is rarely focussed on killing specific individuals.
Those individuals also have a course of action open to them to cease the griefing, should they choose to take it. Hence, it is not griefing.
Oh so griefing is defined by choices now is it? Are you sure it doesn't have anything to do with repeatedly doing something just for the sake of causing "grief" on another player? And yet hulkageddon as an event is not organised purely for the purpose of causing grief, it could easily be argued that it is a powerful tool for market manipulation, for controlling the activities of others in game and for influencing the path of the game itself.
None of these things are pointless or meaningless, you may not like them, but they are valid goals and those who began and have become involved in hulkageddon are using it as a vehicle to those ends.
It is not merely a case of the victims having a choice that enables them to escape their fate, it is also the fact that unlike me taking out thrashers and podding/harassing a specific newbie hulkageddon targets older players and it does so with a purpose in mind.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
67
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:28:00 -
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You lot are strange From Strangelove putting a 5mil bounty on my head (thanks sweetie) to weird comments like " What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same." I am wondering whether you read the same post I wrote!!! but carry on ... *sigh* I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:30:00 -
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Klandi wrote:You lot are strange From Strangelove putting a 5mil bounty on my head (thanks sweetie) to weird comments like " What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same." I am wondering whether you read the same post I wrote!!! but carry on ... *sigh* To be fair the OP was short on content and eternally long on accusations that cannot possibly be true.
So you being shocked that people act like they don't understand what you're talking about is par for the course, I guess. |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:31:00 -
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I didnt even have to read the Op to know OPISMAD
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
67
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:37:00 -
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And if I learn Eve the way that you learnt Eve would I also bow and scrape to my Goon overlords like you do ... Grow a pair I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:38:00 -
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Klandi wrote:And if I learn Eve the way that you learnt Eve would I also bow and scrape to my Goon overlords like you do ... Grow a pair You might stand up to them instead of whining on the forums and accusing them of making your decisions for you.
And you say that the respondants to this thread need to grow a pair?
Hmmm. Why do you want to modify my playstyle so much?
I think the tear detector is sounding its alarm! |
Sebroth
Svea Rike Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:40:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Sebroth wrote:Every day countless of companies around our glob have to move, change thier buisiness ideas or in some other way adapt to the reality or they will be forced to shut down. Every company have to decide what risks they are willing to take. If the risk are to high and/or the profit to low they need to find or create whatever they need to survive. If a shipping company is getting owned by east african pirates they might need to find other ways to do thier business or accept their loss as a part of their cost to run that same business.
Adapt or die. Thats the rule we all live by in EvE. Just because I want to be left alone when I have my own little mining OP does it not mean I will be left alone. Not only do both hostiles and neutral blow me up, those pesky rats will do thier best as well.
What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same. If you are having a hard time making profit it's time for you to change you business plan. It's not the time for CCP to change thier game. Even if they did change thier game you would still find yourself in a bad situation as long you are not willig to adapt. We that do adapt will always be on top of people that don't.
/seb This would be such a fine argument except that "griefing" is what these activities get called on the forums all the time, by the people who do them. The EULA forbids griefing but doesn't bother to tell new players or anybody else that there is almost nothing in the game that is "griefing", short of real life threats. If all these activities are to balance the market, they are really doing a fine job, don't you think? One man's market balance is another man's market manipulation. The market is designed to be unbalanced. It's full of bottlenecks that can be exploited by players. This market is not free or open any more than the real world market is free or open. It's dominated by the big boys. Oh holy sandbox, God forbid we should ever question it.
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highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
88
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:44:00 -
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Klandi wrote:And if I learn Eve the way that you learnt Eve would I also bow and scrape to my Goon overlords like you do ... Grow a pair
you humor me
you also sound very upset, shall i get your a tissue? perhaps the smallest violin in the world so you may carry it in your pocket and make sad, sad music whenever you need?
me grow a pair? i'm not the one crying on the forums that my stuff got ganked in Highsec. Here, since you have so much trouble figuring this out, i'll hold your hand. (coming from someone who spent many many years in highsec, check my employment history you numb-nuts)
1 - Fit a tank on your industrial ship 2 - Use scouts? 3 - Warp away when you see a group of destroyers land on grid <-- easiest solution 4 - Use cheaper T1 mining barges 5 - Keep a BPO of whatever ship you refuse to tank and defend so you can build new ones instead of buying them
I could go on and on, but I have a feeling your thick head wont comprehend what I'm saying.
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
67
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:58:00 -
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highonpop wrote:
Anyone who lets the actions of another control their actions without their consent is a weak minded individual.
As it seems FA are - so you are speaking from experience there I see.
Thank you for the most useless advice given in this thread - please do not post again I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
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Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:59:00 -
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Klandi wrote:highonpop wrote:
Anyone who lets the actions of another control their actions without their consent is a weak minded individual.
As it seems FA are - so you are speaking from experience there I see. Thank you for the most useless advice given in this thread - please do not post again Wait a minute.
Does -FA- pay you rent? Because I don't think they pay anybody rent.
In fact, I'm really quite sure they do what they want. |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
247
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:09:00 -
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People who accuse FA of being renters miss a critical concept in 0.0 life: Renters are completely useless in an actual fight. They won't defend their space, let alone yours, if you're renting out that space to them.
I'd try to post something more on topic as well but I honestly can't understand what the OP is trying to say. Something about POS and whatnot being dependent on null? I really don't get it. |
baltec1
1353
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:10:00 -
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Klandi wrote:And if I learn Eve the way that you learnt Eve would I also bow and scrape to my Goon overlords like you do ... Grow a pair
God help you if M0o ever came back. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
96
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:35:00 -
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Klandi wrote:So instead of discussing subjective theory, let me express a scenario - as close to factual as possible.
I am an industrialist in game - I want to make money by making stuff and selling stuff. The "sandbox" allows this. To perform this I must have a way of making stuff and also making a profit so I can pay for plexes for my characters and purchase components to make into stuff. My preferred method of making stuff is by erecting a POS - a large one, a Minnie POS. I need to sell my stuff to the masses and the most cost effective location is Jita - so where is the best place to erect my POS? IN NULL_SEC OF COURSE. Sadly not oh gentle reader - because it would not be profitable - and the cost of PLEXes is high so I must maximize my profits. So I put up my POS in hi-sec - fairly close to this major hub. Now I need fuel to maintain this method of gameplay - where do I go to get this? IN NULL_SEC OF COURSE. Again - we are not on the same page - I need to get the ice in hi-sec because it is cost effective and I prefer to do it alone as I cannot afford to share it. So - a Metropolis ice bearing system gets the attention of my ice-miner. And I get ganked ....
Because the situation has been created that means several variables (hi-sec, POS structures, fuel requirements, location of Jita, type of gameplay) I have no choice about where I go to optimize my profits.
So for the casual player, the one that does not like large groups or never feels the need to be hampered by sitting in or creating a supercap or station - why do I need null-sec? And why do I need to be ganked?
In short ,YOU have created my dependency and now you want to punish me for it? That is griefing...
So much fail in one post.
#1. You don't not have a RIGHT to make ANY profit in EVE (this is the basis of your whining).. If making a profit were some kind of right, you still wouldn't have a right to complain because:
#2. You don't have a RIGHT to play the game using plex only, tha'ts called a "privillage". If you can't find a way to make enough money to buy plex, this is in no way someone elses fault. But not having a right to either profit or free (plex) play time, you still have no basis to complain because:
#3. You don't have the right to "not" join with others when you need to. Simply put, more people would make what you want to do easier, but you CHOOSE not to yet refuse to accept the lower (or) no profit that comes with that choice. The above 3 are all still moot because:
#4. This game is not about "the casual player, the one that does not like large groups or never feels the need to be hampered by sitting in or creating a supercap or station". NO GAME is about everything/everybody. EVE is an MMO, not a single player game you can pause when you like. If you want to do "solo/casual/high-sec" that's fine, as long as you accept the consequences of those choices.
People like you are simply unreasonable, you want it all, at no cost. Sorry, that's not the EVE way.
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ian papabear
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
6
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:42:00 -
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Your decisions afftect your eve gameplay. You chose to become an industrialist. CCP did not force you into that position nor are you required to do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_FJBdQUAO4 |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:17:00 -
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Most of the time its considered prifit, NOT griefing.
If you get killed just for the sake of getting killed, then its griefing.
When is CCP going to finally fix world hunger? |
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs Mildly Sober
24
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:27:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:When is CCP going to finally fix world hunger?
They did. Just not enough people are opting for the zombie racial option. More people are getting in on it these days though.
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MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Persona Non Gratis
61
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:41:00 -
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I can only hope it's a troll, but if not:
Warpshade wrote:basically you just want to accumulate wealth without threat via changing game mechanics.
This. Also this whine seems good, we'll have a bottle
"Fools! I'll show them all!"
What do you mean that one's already taken? |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
93
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:57:00 -
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Klandi wrote:highonpop wrote:
Anyone who lets the actions of another control their actions without their consent is a weak minded individual.
As it seems FA are - so you are speaking from experience there I see. Thank you for the most useless advice given in this thread - please do not post again
Posting again cause you're Butt Hurt
I don't see how being allies with another alliance is allowing them to dictate what we do
YOU on the other hand let someone else affect you so much that you had to come to the forums and cry about it. Now that no one is supporting your 'stomp my feet and cry about it" fest, you're getting butt hurt.
I say again, LEARN TO PLAY EVE
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
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